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Seems like the final was even more sadistic than we thought..[/QUOTE]
I understand that the final challenge is supposed to be difficult. They don't want it to be a cakewalk. After all, it's worth 100 ******* G's. But I wonder if anyone from production actually [I]does[/I] the final before the challengers do. I mean, sure, we see that someone had to have gone up and put arrows on the rocks to direct the challengers in the proper direction. But had that person just kayaked for 3 miles, carried a large awkward rock, memorized a picture to the most minute details, carried numerous wheelbarrows of dirt, run up a mountain, eaten way too much food and stood on a rock all night?
It seems like the overall consensus over the last three or four challenges is that the final is ridiculously difficult and beginning to turn in an evil direction. Maybe that's one of the reasons they're getting rid of Justin.
[QUOTE=valencialeks;273679]Does anyone know around when the promo photos/interviews were taken?[/QUOTE]
I'm a bit unclear to your question. Promo photos? As in the photos of the teams? Those were taken within the first few days they arrived in Costa Rica.
If you're talking about the interviews in the episode, since they were discussing the final, they had to have occurred after the final.
[QUOTE=bigworm;273653]Again, as has been mentioned. If they would've given Kenny and Wes a head start that equaled the amount of time between when they got to the rock and when Johnny and Tyler got there, then they would've won the challenge. Period.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Obviously day 2 wasn't that well planned out, especially in comparison to day 1 which was epic. It seemed like Kenny&Wes had about a 10-30 minute lead, which we don't exactly know because of editing.
But if you think about it in a relative manner, it was pretty much fair. Scaling that mountain probably took no more than 10 minutes, plus maybe five minutes of GPS tracking probably. Giving them a huge head start on a task that didn't take that long would be ridiculous since the lead they got on day 1 was over huge amounts of time. It wouldn't have been fair to make the lead what it was from day 1, since day 2 was so short. It's all relative, and I think they did it right.
Am I making any sense here? haha
I found it sort of ironic that Wes was the one puking from dehydration but it was Tyler who was up the entire night before vomitting his brains out and should have theoretically been the most dehydrated... and yet I don't recall seeing him really **** out at all. Tyler was an absolute beast and I'm extremely impressed by his performance considering the food poisoning. I know when I stay up all night puking and hardly get any sleep, I can barely function...nevermind even attempting that ridiculous challenge.
I'm actually kinda surprised this challenge didnt cause worse injuries/kill someone. That was the most insane thing I have ever watched and I don't think I would have even thought it possible had I not seen it lol.
[QUOTE=gnarly;273694]Exactly. Obviously day 2 wasn't that well planned out, especially in comparison to day 1 which was epic. It seemed like Kenny&Wes had about a 10-30 minute lead, which we don't exactly know because of editing.
But if you think about it in a relative manner, it was pretty much fair. Scaling that mountain probably took no more than 10 minutes, plus maybe five minutes of GPS tracking probably. Giving them a huge head start on a task that didn't take that long would be ridiculous since the lead they got on day 1 was over huge amounts of time. It wouldn't have been fair to make the lead what it was from day 1, since day 2 was so short. It's all relative, and I think they did it right.
Am I making any sense here? haha[/QUOTE]Who cares. Kenny and Wes dominated the 1st day and deserved the lead they earned. Had the mountain part been apart of the first day and they got rid of the stupid standing on a rock/sleeping portion, Wes and Kenny would have won easily.
Basically, if it was a normal Final, Kenny and Wes would have won. The worse part about it was they weren't even told it would be a 2 day event and they would only be getting a 2 minute lead on everyone else.
[QUOTE=Cristina;273709]I found it sort of ironic that Wes was the one puking from dehydration but it was Tyler who was up the entire night before vomitting his brains out and should have theoretically been the most dehydrated... and yet I don't recall seeing him really **** out at all. Tyler was an absolute beast and I'm extremely impressed by his performance considering the food poisoning. I know when I stay up all night puking and hardly get any sleep, I can barely function...nevermind even attempting that ridiculous challenge.
I'm actually kinda surprised this challenge didnt cause worse injuries/kill someone. That was the most insane thing I have ever watched and I don't think I would have even thought it possible had I not seen it lol.[/QUOTE]
I was very impressed with Johnny, Tyler, and Kenny. Kenny (literally) carried his team lol, which made up for his lack-luster performances during missions. He's good at finals, and so are Johnny and Tyler.
Did this challenge change your opinion of anybody?
For me, it made me like Johnny even more (I liked him on his RW season and the early Challenges, hated him on the Island, and grew to slowly like him again). He's cocky, he's outspoken, but he's also brilliant at times and hilarious. I also really liked Kenny more than in past challenges, love Ev, love Cara Maria, grew to like CT, like Paula, and now I dislike Wes.
CT and Johnny are kind of the come-back kids this season though. They went through rough times and have had their bad moments, but have gotten themselves together and are two of my favorites.
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;273714]Who cares. Kenny and Wes dominated the 1st day and deserved the lead they earned. Had the mountain part been apart of the first day and they got rid of the stupid standing on a rock/sleeping portion, Wes and Kenny would have won easily.
Basically, if it was a normal Final, Kenny and Wes would have won. The worse part about it was they weren't even told it would be a 2 day event and they would only be getting a 2 minute lead on everyone else.[/QUOTE]
Oh, sorry, I didn't know that you could predict events that didn't happen. Johnny and Tyler were the better team and over-came way more obstacles. Wes deserved to lose. If that wasn't karma embodied I don't know what is.
[QUOTE=gnarly;273716]Oh, sorry, I didn't know that you could predict events that didn't happen. Johnny and Tyler were the better team and over-came way more obstacles. Wes deserved to lose. If that wasn't karma embodied I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]
Kenny/Wes got to the rocks 45 minutes before Johnny and Tyler. They lost by much less than that. They would have won had it not been for the shortening of their lead.
[QUOTE=gnarly;273716]Oh, sorry, I didn't know that you could predict events that didn't happen. Johnny and Tyler were the better team and over-came way more obstacles. Wes deserved to lose. If that wasn't karma embodied I don't know what is.[/QUOTE]You really think Johnny and Tyler would have caught up to Kenny and Wes if they skipped the sleeping/rock and went straight to climbing the mountain? You said it yourself, they had around a 10-30 minute lead, which is much, much more than the 2 minute lead they ended up getting.
What they basically did was restart the Final and nothing they did the day before even mattered. A 2 minute lead is hardly anything, especially since the final task was to find a key on top of a mountain with a GPS device.
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;273718]You really think Johnny and Tyler would have caught up to Kenny and Wes if they skipped the sleeping/rock and went straight to climbing the mountain? You said it yourself, they had around a 10-30 minute lead, which is much, much more than the 2 minute lead they ended up getting.
What they basically did was restart the Final and nothing they did the day before even mattered. A 2 minute lead is hardly anything, especially since the final task was to find a key on top of a mountain with a GPS device.[/QUOTE]
I'm not arguing that taking away their lead was right, I'm saying that in restarting for a day 2 and having only 1 task that took 10 minutes, they couldn't do the 10-30 minute lead. Day one was like what? 10 hours? Being behind that small of a margain in relation to the total time and then sending them on a task that took 10 minutes with the same head start is foolish.
I think that they should've either gotten rid of the "day 2" idea or just made the second day way longer so that the lead was fair.
Either way, I think the male and female teams who deserved to win, won. Kenny and Wes deserved second, and so did CM&Laurel.
The only person who changed my mind about them was Jenn. I previously had an Adam King style appreciation of Jenn, but I did a 180 after this challenge. Paula and Tyler, who I typically like, had their moments where they ****** me off, but I got over it pretty quickly (which I'm sure they're thrilled about). I like Evelyn a little more, but I liked her in every challenge aside from FMII anyway so it wasn't much of a change.
I still like Kenny, Johnny, Laurel, Cara, Evan, Sarah, Leroy, Brandon, Mike and King. Still not a fan of Wes, Nehemiah, Camila, or Adam Royer. I was pretty indifferent towards everyone else.
I'm glad Johnny and Tyler won. They were the only pair (excluding Leroy and Mike), that had two people I liked coming into this challenge.
Never really liked Johnny but is a crafty mother. He can put together/figure out most things and he has ZERO shame in his game when it comes to avoiding getting put in a bad position. I hate the way he tries to weasel out of everything but in a way I also greatly respect his survival instinct. Wes plays more straight up and he is willing/able to actually take people head on but I have similar feelings about him. Hate the way he presents himself and does dirt but I also respect that he willingness to do whatever he has to.
Basically these are the opinions I have formed after seeing this challenge.
-Tyler is a beast and I now consider him an elite competitor.
-Wes has fallen off for some odd reason.
-Kenny isn't the best but he's pretty good and he has incredible endurance
-Johnny is a pretty good all around player. If he were a grade he'd be a B+
-Leroy is my leading vote getter for Rookie of the year.
-Mike has a lot of heart.
-Jenn does not have the endurance necessary to win a final.
-Jonna and Jasmine are some tough little girls.
-Adam is underrated and his biggest weakness is his own self confidence.
-CT is smarter than most people think.
-Evelyn is probably the greatest female challenger of all time.
[QUOTE=JL81790;273606]I still don't like the guy, but I looked at Wes's twitter and he is getting some pretty intense hate. I know he thinks that retweeting it makes it look like he's above it and doesn't care, but it still shows that it's affecting him on some level. He needs to just ignore it.[/QUOTE]
On Derricks podcast last month, Wes said that that was not him but instead a fake account.
I always knew Kenny was a great player as far as his ability to perform in a final challenge, but last night he really, really, really impressed me. All the other guys had some moment where they looked weak and vulnerable but he beasted through that whole thing pretty easily if you ask me.
logically Day 1 was completed in 12-14 hours depending upon the team (look at the times shown throughout the episode). Since Wes and Kenny had a 45 min lead they should have been given a proportional lead for Day 2 (imo). Many cast members have stated that Day 2 took apporximately an hour to finish. Therefore, Wes and Kenny should have received 193-225 second head start instead of only 60 seconds. Also, Wes stated on his twitter that they lost by only 10 seconds.
[QUOTE=Calinks;273732]On Derricks podcast last month, Wes said that that was not him but instead a fake account.[/QUOTE]
The current Wes on twitter @BergmannWes was confirmed to be Wes by Mandi and on Wes's facebook. That's the one I'm talking about.
[QUOTE=Calinks;273732]On Derricks podcast last month, Wes said that that was not him but instead a fake account.[/QUOTE]
That was a different twitter that was deleted soon after. @BergmannWes is Wes' real twitter and has been confirmed by multiple cast members. He created it only a little while ago due to convincing from mandi (according to both of them).
[QUOTE=jojorules;273305]Leroy's team did twice, once with Adam, once with Mike.[/QUOTE]
I think they don't win the $1000 on the men's jungle day, so they only won the money at the first challenge, but they won 2 challenges.
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;273324]If it wasn't for Wes, Kenny wouldn't have made 25k. He would've went home a while ago.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;273466]A) My point was, Wes struggled more throughout the Final and was clearly in worse physical shape after the race. He was hurting physically and mentally and for Kenny to kick him while he was down after the Final was a ***** move.
B) No he never said anything to Kenny after a bad performance or a loss intended to make him feel bad about himself. Your welcome to prove me wrong with examples.[/QUOTE]
I think it's funny that this is such a big argument personally. Everyone wants to say "oh well Wes was just joking whole season" or whatever. But I thought it was kinda funny to see Kenny go off on Wes... I mean, I don't feel bad for him at all; he's been putting down people both to their faces and in the confessional the whole season, seemed like a huge dose of karma to me.
Plus, Kenny is known to lose his temper in the final challenges- it's no surprise to me.
Also, I wonder if anyone else thought that Jenn and Wes were being super whiny. Maybe it could be the editing somewhat, and I understand the final was just cruel and they were both sick, but Tyler was as bad as Jenn and Ev was doing the final with broken bones and they didn't complain as much as Jenn and Wes did.
I thought the girls (the top 4) fared really well with the final. They just got in there and did it, finished it and were not bad sports about it. I thought that was nice to see.
- SO glad Kenny and Wes didn't win. I didn't feel sorry for Wes at all... As horrible as he was to people on this season, he deserved what he got. Might sound harsh, but he was an *** to Cara Maria (I totally cracked up when she made fun of him at one point), and I thought he said he could run circles around CT in a final?
- Jenn also got what she deserved. Hilarious that she didn't even make it to the second part. Now I hope she keeps to her promise and doesn't come back to a challenge.
- What was with that sleep/stand portion? I was really confused throughout that entire thing. At one point, they were all sitting around the fire and talking.
- I'm happy that Paula finally won a challenge. Hopefully, she decides to retire now.
Although I'm happy about the challenge being renewed, I'm sort of hoping that a transition is made and we start to see different people. I'm tired of seeing the same people over and over again. No more Kenny, Wes, Evan, Johnny, Tyler, Paula, Evelyn, etc.
[QUOTE=Lamb Chop!!!;273955] What was with that sleep/stand portion? I was really confused throughout that entire thing. At one point, they were all sitting around the fire and talking.
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One person slept while one stood on the rock, if both didn't want to or couldn't sleep then they would get to sit around the fire.
The finals are too hard, its ridiculous. What Veteran is going to want to come back now after seeing this. I'm with Jenn thinking this final is just stupid. I miss the old finals in the older challenges *sigh*. These are realworld/roadrules people not super human beings...
I think the producers just wanted to ensure a close, "exciting" finish. Why even have all the day one events, if they are going to ignore the results and restart all the teams within 2 minutes of each other? An analogous situation would be if one football team was leading by 3 touchdowns, and suddenly the ref decided to send the game into sudden death overtime and disregard all the scoring that had already taken place.
I don't really like, or root for Wes or Kenny. However, despite my dislike for them, I have to admit they deserved the win. This finale was a travesty, lol.
How many days did they have to acclimatize to the conditions in Patagonia? What was the elevation of their location? Just curious... If they didn't have much time to adapt, maybe some players were suffering from altitude sickness?
The whole forced eating thing was absurd. Making them eat until they vomit? It seems the producers were trying to make the contestants sick. I'd rather see them all compete at one hundred percent.
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