Jenn played above average gameplay by riding both sides of the fence and not being a threat. If she was any bit of a threat her *** would have been gone with Darrell. If you want to talk about running a game and also letting other people's egos go awry look at Exes 2 Sarah.
kvm1977 wrote:Jenn failing to get money at the end doesn't mean she didn't control how the game played out. It is amazing how people refuse to give Jenn credit for that season. Just like people think JEK ran The Ruins when it was all Susie and Evan. Johnny was even the third guy
People aren't refusing to give Jenn credit. You're just giving her too much credit.
Incorrect. Again, this is similar to Susie on The Ruins. People ramble on about JEK which never existed until Rivals. People focus on Wes vs. Kenny when Ryan & Jenn had the ability to run the game. They rode the middle then Jenn made the decision to roll with Kenny.
Jenn didn't run anything. She had a great swing vote strategy. She didn't run the game. Having a chance to run it and actually running it are two different things.
How did she not run it? You're not even making sense. You hate Jenn and refuse to acknowledge reality. I get it. Just like she didn't do anything on Rivals or Cutthroat. She just sits back and lets everything play out in front of her and it always worked to her advantage...pure luck.
Just curious what did Jenn do on FM2 that would show she ran things? IMO she was just secretly playing both sides and had the luxury of the big dogs going after eachothers best allies. Her and Ryan luckily were never called out because they were playing both sides therefore was on no ones radar. Whatever way the season was going to fall Wes or Kenny's way they were making it to the final if not close. Was it a great strategy? Yes but I wouldn't say she "ran" that season. She and Ryan just sat back and let those with big egos go at eachother.
Plus Jenn wasn't winning any daily missions like Kenny and Laurel were, even if they wanted to swing the vote by themselves neither Jenn or Ryan would be able to swing the votes of the entire house on the two big dogs. Stop being delusional and just face the fact that Jenn just played the middle and got to the end because they weren't worth eliminating early. She played a good game but she never had the power to run things.
And you can say that for most of her seasons honestly.
If JEK isn't a thing then who was the team leader on the Island? And don't even bullshit me pull up the video where Evelyn says she was tired of the major alliance and she was taking their Leaders Key. And then she takes Johnny's y'all are dumb saying there's no JEK. Kenny is the main follower then if Evan is there Johnny goes to 3rd. Reason Johnny was picked was 1. Kenny wasn't going to call himself in, Susie hated Johnny, and Derrick felt he'd done enough for the team, plus Dunbar had a massive weight advantage. Everyone likes Derrick so why send him home if Johnny can man up and beat Dunbar?
Without Evan on a season then Johnny becomes #3. Do you really think Kenny or Derrick would have been mad if they won with Dunbar & Paula?
JEK wasn't the true alliance other than Rivals. Susie and Derrick were well ahead of Johnny on The Ruins. Clearly Johnny wasn't someone Evan and Kenny even remotely cared about on The Gauntlet 3.
Yeah, I wasn't actually slamming Susie -- was using that as an example to slam Bananas. And I agree with those who said she aged well. What surprised me the most on the Inferno III season was how Rachel fell apart. I see she's on Gauntlet III so I'm curious to see if she makes a better show. Probably not because I don't remember her that well. But with my bad memory who knows.
Or Veronica.....but both Coral & Veronica's gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie's.
They were all exceptional at gameplay (minus Battle of the Sexes1/2 for Veronica)
Veronica learned a lot from those 2 seasons plus the real Battle of the Seasons. Sexes 2 was a weird season though--hard to really get a good feel for it. Other than Coral I'm not convinced anyone really did anything.
Yeah, I wasn't actually slamming Susie -- was using that as an example to slam Bananas. And I agree with those who said she aged well. What surprised me the most on the Inferno III season was how Rachel fell apart. I see she's on Gauntlet III so I'm curious to see if she makes a better show. Probably not because I don't remember her that well. But with my bad memory who knows.
Rachel Moyal performed adequately on G3 but she was in the large Austin alliance and the veterans weren't going to throw her in so she was safe.
I just wish Veronica would've had some kind of backup on The Ruins. This was during the time where her & Rachel had fallen out, Coral was pretty much done & Tina was nowhere to be found. If Tonya would've had her act together they could've turned the tide by getting some type of alliance together with Wes, Evelyn, Syrus & Katie lol; maybe Darrell but he was neutral. Susie had no problem doing JEK/KED's bidding until it was her *** on the chopping block and she realized she was just as disposable as the rest.
Graphik wrote:Or Veronica.....but both Coral & Veronica's gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie's.
They were all exceptional at gameplay (minus Battle of the Sexes1/2 for Veronica)
Veronica learned a lot from those 2 seasons plus the real Battle of the Seasons. Sexes 2 was a weird season though--hard to really get a good feel for it. Other than Coral I'm not convinced anyone really did anything.
Okay you don't say anything new ever I said she didn't do shit on those seasons and you basically said yeah... Okay
Coral RAN that Women's team & not only got herself to the end, she also dragged Arissa with her lmaoo. The Sexes format IMO was always one of the hardest formats to make it to the end of because there was no chance to battle it out, once you get voted out that was it.....especially the 2nd one since there was also no scoreboard or Inner Circle.
Again your points are trash like I said Johnny was #1 on The Island, I never said it mattered who was on the final boat or if Derrick or Kenny would be sad the won without Johnny. I said Johnny was #1 which he was. But the way you put things together is so pitiful with your logic Evan was #3 on Rivals because they sent him in against CT first. No one said anything about JEK on Gauntlet 3. What are you going to say next there was no JEK on The Duel?
Coral RAN that Women's team & not only got herself to the end, she also dragged Arissa with her lmaoo. The Sexes format IMO was always one of the hardest formats to make it to the end of because there was no chance to battle it out, once you get voted out that was it.....especially the 2nd one since there was also no scoreboard or Inner Circle.
Scoreboard to me is harder if you play it the way the guys played it... Straight up. There's no alliances or any bs if you're top 3 you win. The second season the guys played straight up, until they hoed Brad, but even if they picked Brad over Eric Nies. Mark still would have been picked over Brad for the last spot anyway tbh.
Graphik wrote:Or Veronica.....but both Coral & Veronica's gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie's.
They were all exceptional at gameplay (minus Battle of the Sexes1/2 for Veronica)
Veronica learned a lot from those 2 seasons plus the real Battle of the Seasons. Sexes 2 was a weird season though--hard to really get a good feel for it. Other than Coral I'm not convinced anyone really did anything.
Okay you don't say anything new ever I said she didn't do shit on those seasons and you basically said yeah... Okay
I just wish Veronica would've had some kind of backup on The Ruins. This was during the time where her & Rachel had fallen out, Coral was pretty much done & Tina was nowhere to be found. If Tonya would've had her act together they could've turned the tide by getting some type of alliance together with Wes, Evelyn, Syrus & Katie lol; maybe Darrell but he was neutral. Susie had no problem doing JEK/KED's bidding until it was her *** on the chopping block and she realized she was just as disposable as the rest.
She didn't do their bidding. She solely came up with the Evelyn-KellyAnne plan. It's amazing that someone wouldn't comprehend that people may actually want to work with Evan if they want to win money.
Graphik wrote:Or Veronica.....but both Coral & Veronica's gameplay >>>>>>>>>>>>> Susie's.
They were all exceptional at gameplay (minus Battle of the Sexes1/2 for Veronica)
Veronica learned a lot from those 2 seasons plus the real Battle of the Seasons. Sexes 2 was a weird season though--hard to really get a good feel for it. Other than Coral I'm not convinced anyone really did anything.
Okay you don't say anything new ever I said she didn't do shit on those seasons and you basically said yeah... Okay
So agreeing with you is somehow confusing.
You could just quote it and move on. Or say Amen Yes jergatlin5, speak that truth son.
I just wish Veronica would've had some kind of backup on The Ruins. This was during the time where her & Rachel had fallen out, Coral was pretty much done & Tina was nowhere to be found. If Tonya would've had her act together they could've turned the tide by getting some type of alliance together with Wes, Evelyn, Syrus & Katie lol; maybe Darrell but he was neutral. Susie had no problem doing JEK/KED's bidding until it was her *** on the chopping block and she realized she was just as disposable as the rest.
She didn't do their bidding. She solely came up with the Evelyn-KellyAnne plan. It's amazing that someone wouldn't comprehend that people may actually want to work with Evan if they want to win money.
Coral RAN that Women's team & not only got herself to the end, she also dragged Arissa with her ****o. The Sexes format IMO was always one of the hardest formats to make it to the end of because there was no chance to battle it out, once you get voted out that was it.....especially the 2nd one since there was also no scoreboard or Inner Circle.
Scoreboard to me is harder if you play it the way the guys played it... Straight up. There's no alliances or any bs if you're top 3 you win. The second season the guys played straight up, until they hoed Brad, but even if they picked Brad over Eric Nies. Mark still would have been picked over Brad for the last spot anyway tbh.
Yeah I could see that. Without it though there were a lot more vote-offs that honestly had nothing to do with how they performed (Derrick's voteoff for example). The women were always petty though **** they needed Rachel, Ayanna & maybe even Genesis there as long as possible; Rachel had no business not making the finals honestly and once she left, so did any chance of the Women possibly winning.
Again your points are trash like I said Johnny was #1 on The Island, I never said it mattered who was on the final boat or if Derrick or Kenny would be sad the won without Johnny. I said Johnny was #1 which he was. But the way you put things together is so pitiful with your logic Evan was #3 on Rivals because they sent him in against CT first. No one said anything about JEK on Gauntlet 3. What are you going to say next there was no JEK on The Duel?
Johnny wasn't #1 on The Island. Kenny was. Kenny controlled everything but Evelyn & KellyAnne but he made sure that Evelyn & KellyAnne wouldn't target him. Do you think it was Johnny that kept Jenn & Ryan. Oh, that's right--they were Kenny's friends at the time. Jenn has even said that Kenny handed her that final. Not Johnny.
Evan wasn't #3 on Rivals--he went to help Kenny win. He wasn't even in shape to run a final. Evan wanted to go in against CT. Remember Evelyn telling them how ******* stupid that was? Do you actually watch the show? Or do you just fantasize about Johnny?
Johnny was friends with Kenny (and to a lesser degree Evan) on G3--yet they threw him to Evan knowing that was the easiest win. They didn't send in Danny--they sent in "their friend" Johnny.
I understand all hatred for JEK, but if you and any 2 of your best friends went on this show would you really care about anyone else winning but y'all?
Again your points are trash like I said Johnny was #1 on The Island, I never said it mattered who was on the final boat or if Derrick or Kenny would be sad the won without Johnny. I said Johnny was #1 which he was. But the way you put things together is so pitiful with your logic Evan was #3 on Rivals because they sent him in against CT first. No one said anything about JEK on Gauntlet 3. What are you going to say next there was no JEK on The Duel?
Johnny wasn't #1 on The Island. Kenny was. Kenny controlled everything but Evelyn & KellyAnne but he made sure that Evelyn & KellyAnne wouldn't target him. Do you think it was Johnny that kept Jenn & Ryan. Oh, that's right--they were Kenny's friends at the time. Jenn has even said that Kenny handed her that final. Not Johnny. Evan wasn't #3 on Rivals--he went to help Kenny win. He wasn't even in shape to run a final. Evan wanted to go in against CT. Remember Evelyn telling them how ******* stupid that was? Do you actually watch the show? Or do you just fantasize about Johnny?Johnny was friends with Kenny (and to a lesser degree Evan) on G3--yet they threw him to Evan knowing that was the easiest win. They didn't send in Danny--they sent in "their friend" Johnny.
Gauntlet 3 no one claimed there was a JEK the same way I don't claim there's a JEK on the Duel so bringing up that challenge is irrelevant. But a VP can tell the president people he likes and can even save a few people doesn't mean he ran the show. Who did everyone in the alliance make a deal with Evelyn to save? Oh right Johnny. Who did Evelyn say was the leader of the group? Johnny. Rivals 1 I was pointing out your non sequitur of the fact that because Johnny was thrown in on The Ruins. In order to save Derrick and Kenny that in your world Evan would also be considered number 3 under your logic. Not that Evan was number 3 I never said that so you're typing about Rivals for no reason the same way you're typing about G3 for no reason
jergatlin5 wrote:Again your points are trash like I said Johnny was #1 on The Island, I never said it mattered who was on the final boat or if Derrick or Kenny would be sad the won without Johnny. I said Johnny was #1 which he was. But the way you put things together is so pitiful with your logic Evan was #3 on Rivals because they sent him in against CT first. No one said anything about JEK on Gauntlet 3. What are you going to say next there was no JEK on The Duel?
Johnny wasn't #1 on The Island. Kenny was. Kenny controlled everything but Evelyn & KellyAnne but he made sure that Evelyn & KellyAnne wouldn't target him. Do you think it was Johnny that kept Jenn & Ryan. Oh, that's right--they were Kenny's friends at the time. Jenn has even said that Kenny handed her that final. Not Johnny. Evan wasn't #3 on Rivals--he went to help Kenny win. He wasn't even in shape to run a final. Evan wanted to go in against CT. Remember Evelyn telling them how ******* stupid that was? Do you actually watch the show? Or do you just fantasize about Johnny?Johnny was friends with Kenny (and to a lesser degree Evan) on G3--yet they threw him to Evan knowing that was the easiest win. They didn't send in Danny--they sent in "their friend" Johnny.
Gauntlet 3 no one claimed there was a JEK the same way I don't claim there's a JEK on the Duel so bringing up that challenge is irrelevant. But a VP can tell the president people he likes and can even save a few people doesn't mean he ran the show. Who did everyone in the alliance make a deal with Evelyn to save? Oh right Johnny. Who did Evelyn say was the leader of the group? Johnny. Rivals 1 I was pointing out your non sequitur of the fact that because Johnny was thrown in on The Ruins. In order to save Derrick and Kenny that in your world Evan would also be considered number 3 under your logic. Not that Evan was number 3 I never said that so you're typing about Rivals for no reason the same way you're typing about G3 for no reason
You're not making any sense. JEK existed on 1 challenge. That was Rivals. I don't care if people help their friends get to the end. You should in a team challenge. On The Ruins--JEK was not a thing. It was EKS + Derrick & Johanna then Johnny. I truly believe if Brad & Darrell don't get DQ'd you would have seen Brad vs. Johnny and, unsurprisingly, Susie vs. Casey.
This is how I know, you lack JEK knowledge, not one girl on that season mattered to JEK truly until Susie started saying she was going to quit. JEK was definitely a thing, Derrick was in the pact as well as a silent partner, I'm done with this.
This is how I know, you lack JEK knowledge, not one girl on that season mattered to JEK truly until Susie started saying she was going to quit. JEK was definitely a thing, Derrick was in the pact as well as a silent partner, I'm done with this.
You're delusional if you don't think Susie "mattered" to E & K. Johnny didn't. I can't fix stupid on this one.
kvm1977 wrote:Jenn failing to get money at the end doesn't mean she didn't control how the game played out. It is amazing how people refuse to give Jenn credit for that season. Just like people think JEK ran The Ruins when it was all Susie and Evan. Johnny was even the third guy
People aren't refusing to give Jenn credit. You're just giving her too much credit.
Incorrect. Again, this is similar to Susie on The Ruins. People ramble on about JEK which never existed until Rivals. People focus on Wes vs. Kenny when Ryan & Jenn had the ability to run the game. They rode the middle then Jenn made the decision to roll with Kenny.
Jenn didn't run anything. She had a great swing vote strategy. She didn't run the game. Having a chance to run it and actually running it are two different things.
How did she not run it? You're not even making sense. You hate Jenn and refuse to acknowledge reality. I get it. Just like she didn't do anything on Rivals or Cutthroat. She just sits back and lets everything play out in front of her and it always worked to her advantage...pure luck.
Just curious what did Jenn do on FM2 that would show she ran things? IMO she was just secretly playing both sides and had the luxury of the big dogs going after eachothers best allies. Her and Ryan luckily were never called out because they were playing both sides therefore was on no ones radar. Whatever way the season was going to fall Wes or Kenny's way they were making it to the final if not close. Was it a great strategy? Yes but I wouldn't say she "ran" that season. She and Ryan just sat back and let those with big egos go at eachother.
Plus Jenn wasn't winning any daily missions like Kenny and Laurel were, even if they wanted to swing the vote by themselves neither Jenn or Ryan would be able to swing the votes of the entire house on the two big dogs. Stop being delusional and just face the fact that Jenn just played the middle and got to the end because they weren't worth eliminating early. She played a good game but she never had the power to run things.
And you can say that for most of her seasons honestly.
KVM's infatuation with Jenn doesn't allow him to see that, yes Jenn played a great game on FM2, but she didn't run anything. If he actually read the comments instead of just assuming everyone that disagrees with him hates Jenn, maybe it'll get through his thick skull.
She didn't run shit. She's just always had the luxury of being friends with the right people and not be a shitty competitor to get last place either. She's never a leader, but she's no scrub either. P.S: I don't hate Jenn.
kvm1977 wrote:Jenn failing to get money at the end doesn't mean she didn't control how the game played out. It is amazing how people refuse to give Jenn credit for that season. Just like people think JEK ran The Ruins when it was all Susie and Evan. Johnny was even the third guy
People aren't refusing to give Jenn credit. You're just giving her too much credit.
Incorrect. Again, this is similar to Susie on The Ruins. People ramble on about JEK which never existed until Rivals. People focus on Wes vs. Kenny when Ryan & Jenn had the ability to run the game. They rode the middle then Jenn made the decision to roll with Kenny.
Jenn didn't run anything. She had a great swing vote strategy. She didn't run the game. Having a chance to run it and actually running it are two different things.
How did she not run it? You're not even making sense. You hate Jenn and refuse to acknowledge reality. I get it. Just like she didn't do anything on Rivals or Cutthroat. She just sits back and lets everything play out in front of her and it always worked to her advantage...pure luck.
Just curious what did Jenn do on FM2 that would show she ran things? IMO she was just secretly playing both sides and had the luxury of the big dogs going after eachothers best allies. Her and Ryan luckily were never called out because they were playing both sides therefore was on no ones radar. Whatever way the season was going to fall Wes or Kenny's way they were making it to the final if not close. Was it a great strategy? Yes but I wouldn't say she "ran" that season. She and Ryan just sat back and let those with big egos go at eachother.
Plus Jenn wasn't winning any daily missions like Kenny and Laurel were, even if they wanted to swing the vote by themselves neither Jenn or Ryan would be able to swing the votes of the entire house on the two big dogs. Stop being delusional and just face the fact that Jenn just played the middle and got to the end because they weren't worth eliminating early. She played a good game but she never had the power to run things.
And you can say that for most of her seasons honestly.
KVM's infatuation with Jenn doesn't allow him to see that, yes Jenn played a great game on FM2, but she didn't run anything. If he actually read the comments instead of just assuming everyone that disagrees with him hates Jenn, maybe it'll get through his thick skull. She didn't run shit. She's just always had the luxury of being friends with the right people and not be a shitty competitor to get last place either. She's never a leader, but she's no scrub either. P.S: I don't hate Jenn.
Exactly. She's just another one in the long line of people on this show that has played the best game anyone can play on this show: Being friends with the right people. And doing well enough in challenges as well like you said.
kvm1977 wrote:Jenn failing to get money at the end doesn't mean she didn't control how the game played out. It is amazing how people refuse to give Jenn credit for that season. Just like people think JEK ran The Ruins when it was all Susie and Evan. Johnny was even the third guy
People aren't refusing to give Jenn credit. You're just giving her too much credit.
Incorrect. Again, this is similar to Susie on The Ruins. People ramble on about JEK which never existed until Rivals. People focus on Wes vs. Kenny when Ryan & Jenn had the ability to run the game. They rode the middle then Jenn made the decision to roll with Kenny.
Jenn didn't run anything. She had a great swing vote strategy. She didn't run the game. Having a chance to run it and actually running it are two different things.
How did she not run it? You're not even making sense. You hate Jenn and refuse to acknowledge reality. I get it. Just like she didn't do anything on Rivals or Cutthroat. She just sits back and lets everything play out in front of her and it always worked to her advantage...pure luck.
Just curious what did Jenn do on FM2 that would show she ran things? IMO she was just secretly playing both sides and had the luxury of the big dogs going after eachothers best allies. Her and Ryan luckily were never called out because they were playing both sides therefore was on no ones radar. Whatever way the season was going to fall Wes or Kenny's way they were making it to the final if not close. Was it a great strategy? Yes but I wouldn't say she "ran" that season. She and Ryan just sat back and let those with big egos go at eachother.
Plus Jenn wasn't winning any daily missions like Kenny and Laurel were, even if they wanted to swing the vote by themselves neither Jenn or Ryan would be able to swing the votes of the entire house on the two big dogs. Stop being delusional and just face the fact that Jenn just played the middle and got to the end because they weren't worth eliminating early. She played a good game but she never had the power to run things.
And you can say that for most of her seasons honestly.
KVM's infatuation with Jenn doesn't allow him to see that, yes Jenn played a great game on FM2, but she didn't run anything. If he actually read the comments instead of just assuming everyone that disagrees with him hates Jenn, maybe it'll get through his thick skull. She didn't run shit. She's just always had the luxury of being friends with the right people and not be a shitty competitor to get last place either. She's never a leader, but she's no scrub either. P.S: I don't hate Jenn.
Yes, I like Jen but I agree with you. She wasn't running anything. Her and Ryan had the same game play. Hopefully she comes back though. She's a tough person and she's in great shape. Would like the see her with these new girls. Jen is one of those girls who's not afraid of anyone.
Susie is the greatest female player to ever be on the show.
definitely one of the smartest females and most stretegic. Her and Evan RAN the ruins.
With Sarah retired and Johnny being the sole cast member to have played with her, I wonder how she'd fair strategically in these current seasons. She definitly has to avoid getting last, but can she swing the votes to her favor?
HonestTea101 wrote:Susie is the greatest female player to ever be on the show.
definitely one of the smartest females and most stretegic. Her and Evan RAN the ruins.
With Sarah retired and Johnny being the sole cast member to have played with her, I wonder how she'd fair strategically in these current seasons. She definitly has to avoid getting last, but can she swing the votes to her favor?
Probably not. A lot of girls would probably go after her. The current female cast members are weak and they listen to male competitors too much.
Susie never struck fear in other girls (or men) like Coral did & I honestly think they would go after Coral now so I KNOW they'll have Susie up outta there in no time. Most of the girls now would have Susie somewhere in a corner crying her eyes out.
They were all exceptional at gameplay (minus Battle of the Sexes1/2 for Veronica)
Jenn played above average gameplay by riding both sides of the fence and not being a threat. If she was any bit of a threat her *** would have been gone with Darrell. If you want to talk about running a game and also letting other people's egos go awry look at Exes 2 Sarah.
Without Evan on a season then Johnny becomes #3. Do you really think Kenny or Derrick would have been mad if they won with Dunbar & Paula?
JEK wasn't the true alliance other than Rivals. Susie and Derrick were well ahead of Johnny on The Ruins. Clearly Johnny wasn't someone Evan and Kenny even remotely cared about on The Gauntlet 3.
Yeah, I wasn't actually slamming Susie -- was using that as an example to slam Bananas. And I agree with those who said she aged well. What surprised me the most on the Inferno III season was how Rachel fell apart. I see she's on Gauntlet III so I'm curious to see if she makes a better show. Probably not because I don't remember her that well. But with my bad memory who knows.
Veronica learned a lot from those 2 seasons plus the real Battle of the Seasons. Sexes 2 was a weird season though--hard to really get a good feel for it. Other than Coral I'm not convinced anyone really did anything.
Rachel Moyal performed adequately on G3 but she was in the large Austin alliance and the veterans weren't going to throw her in so she was safe.
I just wish Veronica would've had some kind of backup on The Ruins. This was during the time where her & Rachel had fallen out, Coral was pretty much done & Tina was nowhere to be found. If Tonya would've had her act together they could've turned the tide by getting some type of alliance together with Wes, Evelyn, Syrus & Katie lol; maybe Darrell but he was neutral. Susie had no problem doing JEK/KED's bidding until it was her *** on the chopping block and she realized she was just as disposable as the rest.
Okay you don't say anything new ever I said she didn't do shit on those seasons and you basically said yeah... Okay
Coral RAN that Women's team & not only got herself to the end, she also dragged Arissa with her lmaoo. The Sexes format IMO was always one of the hardest formats to make it to the end of because there was no chance to battle it out, once you get voted out that was it.....especially the 2nd one since there was also no scoreboard or Inner Circle.
Again your points are trash like I said Johnny was #1 on The Island, I never said it mattered who was on the final boat or if Derrick or Kenny would be sad the won without Johnny. I said Johnny was #1 which he was. But the way you put things together is so pitiful with your logic Evan was #3 on Rivals because they sent him in against CT first. No one said anything about JEK on Gauntlet 3. What are you going to say next there was no JEK on The Duel?
Scoreboard to me is harder if you play it the way the guys played it... Straight up. There's no alliances or any bs if you're top 3 you win. The second season the guys played straight up, until they hoed Brad, but even if they picked Brad over Eric Nies. Mark still would have been picked over Brad for the last spot anyway tbh.
So agreeing with you is somehow confusing.
She didn't do their bidding. She solely came up with the Evelyn-KellyAnne plan. It's amazing that someone wouldn't comprehend that people may actually want to work with Evan if they want to win money.
You could just quote it and move on. Or say Amen Yes jergatlin5, speak that truth son.
Yes, speak that truth.
Yeah I could see that. Without it though there were a lot more vote-offs that honestly had nothing to do with how they performed (Derrick's voteoff for example). The women were always petty though **** they needed Rachel, Ayanna & maybe even Genesis there as long as possible; Rachel had no business not making the finals honestly and once she left, so did any chance of the Women possibly winning.
Johnny wasn't #1 on The Island. Kenny was. Kenny controlled everything but Evelyn & KellyAnne but he made sure that Evelyn & KellyAnne wouldn't target him. Do you think it was Johnny that kept Jenn & Ryan. Oh, that's right--they were Kenny's friends at the time. Jenn has even said that Kenny handed her that final. Not Johnny.
Evan wasn't #3 on Rivals--he went to help Kenny win. He wasn't even in shape to run a final. Evan wanted to go in against CT. Remember Evelyn telling them how ******* stupid that was? Do you actually watch the show? Or do you just fantasize about Johnny?
Johnny was friends with Kenny (and to a lesser degree Evan) on G3--yet they threw him to Evan knowing that was the easiest win. They didn't send in Danny--they sent in "their friend" Johnny.
I understand all hatred for JEK, but if you and any 2 of your best friends went on this show would you really care about anyone else winning but y'all?
Gauntlet 3 no one claimed there was a JEK the same way I don't claim there's a JEK on the Duel so bringing up that challenge is irrelevant. But a VP can tell the president people he likes and can even save a few people doesn't mean he ran the show. Who did everyone in the alliance make a deal with Evelyn to save? Oh right Johnny. Who did Evelyn say was the leader of the group? Johnny. Rivals 1 I was pointing out your non sequitur of the fact that because Johnny was thrown in on The Ruins. In order to save Derrick and Kenny that in your world Evan would also be considered number 3 under your logic. Not that Evan was number 3 I never said that so you're typing about Rivals for no reason the same way you're typing about G3 for no reason
You're not making any sense. JEK existed on 1 challenge. That was Rivals. I don't care if people help their friends get to the end. You should in a team challenge. On The Ruins--JEK was not a thing. It was EKS + Derrick & Johanna then Johnny. I truly believe if Brad & Darrell don't get DQ'd you would have seen Brad vs. Johnny and, unsurprisingly, Susie vs. Casey.
This is how I know, you lack JEK knowledge, not one girl on that season mattered to JEK truly until Susie started saying she was going to quit. JEK was definitely a thing, Derrick was in the pact as well as a silent partner, I'm done with this.
You're delusional if you don't think Susie "mattered" to E & K. Johnny didn't. I can't fix stupid on this one.
Maybe you've been partying with Johnny Football too much. Maybe you just love grown men that call themselves Johnny.
KVM's infatuation with Jenn doesn't allow him to see that, yes Jenn played a great game on FM2, but she didn't run anything. If he actually read the comments instead of just assuming everyone that disagrees with him hates Jenn, maybe it'll get through his thick skull.
She didn't run shit. She's just always had the luxury of being friends with the right people and not be a shitty competitor to get last place either. She's never a leader, but she's no scrub either. P.S: I don't hate Jenn.
Exactly. She's just another one in the long line of people on this show that has played the best game anyone can play on this show: Being friends with the right people. And doing well enough in challenges as well like you said.
Yes, I like Jen but I agree with you. She wasn't running anything. Her and Ryan had the same game play. Hopefully she comes back though. She's a tough person and she's in great shape. Would like the see her with these new girls. Jen is one of those girls who's not afraid of anyone.
definitely one of the smartest females and most stretegic. Her and Evan RAN the ruins.
With Sarah retired and Johnny being the sole cast member to have played with her, I wonder how she'd fair strategically in these current seasons. She definitly has to avoid getting last, but can she swing the votes to her favor?
Probably not. A lot of girls would probably go after her. The current female cast members are weak and they listen to male competitors too much.
Susie never struck fear in other girls (or men) like Coral did & I honestly think they would go after Coral now so I KNOW they'll have Susie up outta there in no time. Most of the girls now would have Susie somewhere in a corner crying her eyes out.
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