Another thing I'm not a huge fan of: Wes tweeted an article about his business with something like, haters are gonna flip (because the article built up his business) or whatever. I don't like the guy...but I honestly only wish him success in his real life. My issue with him is his on television screen life. It reminds me of Lebron after the finals where they asked him about his "haters" and he said that he didn't really care because after that night he got to go back to being a rich athlete and everyone had to go lead their disappointing lives.
Having a successful business off the show is pretty cool in my opinion since a lot of these kids aren't working and are living off club appearances. I do, however, think it's slightly ridiculous for him, when people tell him that he acts like an ***, to basically say "haha I don't care what you think because I own a business so I'm better than you". He says that stuff on the show too "I beat Kenny in real life", "I've beaten these people in real life"...cool? I really only care that Leroy beat you on the show, since the show is the only thing I care to watch you on...I don't know if it's a defense mechanism or whatever but it seems like he needs something to hang his hat on when he loses. From what V1Man has said Beth is pretty successful off the show, Evelyn has some big things ahead of her, and I'm sure other cast-members have stuff going on but we never hear a peep about it because the show is the show, and outside life is outside life.
[QUOTE=V1man;295708]In a civil case, the burden of proof is "a preponderance of evidence," thus if he is reasonably certain because his personal knowledge or because he was immediately informed by witnesses (exception to the hearsay rule -- Google [I]Federal Rules of Evidence[/I]) then he has reached an appropriate legal standard. It was, after all, his toothbrush that apparently was used and then replaced by production. He might be one of the few whose opinion might be valuable. He certainly is someone I'd want deposed.[/QUOTE]
Ok thats great but does Wes actually know all this? Or is he just saying that they're rapists to call them losers? At the same time if he does know what happened and he didnt say anything then thats kinda bad too, and I guessed it was his toothbrush but I doubt production said "hey we replaced your tooth brush because Evan/Kenny raped Tonya with it" and he would just say "oh ok cool thanks."
[QUOTE=JL81790;295709]Another thing I'm not a huge fan of: Wes tweeted an article about his business with something like, haters are gonna flip (because the article built up his business) or whatever. I don't like the guy...but I honestly only wish him success in his real life. My issue with him is his on television screen life. It reminds me of Lebron after the finals where they asked him about his "haters" and he said that he didn't really care because after that night he got to go back to being a rich athlete and everyone had to go lead their disappointing lives.
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Yeah I know, he seems very proud of himself and rightfully so if his business is actually successful. I think it is his defense mechanism but he doesnt really call the people who are successful losers ( I know we have to define successful but I guess in his mind its JEK/haters) , and he usually aims it at JEK, they say ugly red head/freckled loser he says they're jobless losers. I guess its also his way to tell the haters that the show isnt his life unlike other people. I kinda agree with him on that people shouldnt take the show so seriously but at the same time I dont really care about his job, I wana hear about the show lol. He's going to do an interview on Monday and he's talking about the show and his job...
And there was more than those 2 comments lol but pretty much the same stuff how Sarah doesnt follow rapists anymore and that he doesn't train for partner shows (ya right, I dont believe that).
[QUOTE=Blue123;295717]Ok thats great but does Wes actually know all this? Or is he just saying that they're rapists to call them losers? At the same time if he does know what happened and he didnt say anything then thats kinda bad too, and I guessed it was his toothbrush but I doubt production said "hey we replaced your tooth brush because Evan/Kenny raped Tonya with it" and he would just say "oh ok cool thanks."
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Well, you don't know what he has said, to whom he has said something, or what he was told and by whom. The last place one would take a public position on a matter this serious should be on social media, so I expect Wes has made similar statements in a protected environment.
[QUOTE=V1man;295721]Well, you don't know what he has said, to whom he has said something, or what he was told and by whom. The last place one would take a public position on a matter this serious should be on social media, so I expect Wes has made similar statements in a protected environment.[/QUOTE]
Well I do know what he said, he said they're rapists on fb, but yes I dont know what he said/ what others have told him in private. And I would think so too, that in something this serious you usually dont go saying something like that with such confidence on fb, he didnt say accused rapist he said rapist. And maybe unlike you he may not give as much thought about what he says before he says it, he's the type that blurts **** out without a filter and I dont know if he's smart enough to know that he shouldn't say things that he's not 100% sure are true. This is interesting though, at first I thought Tonya may be confused about what happened because she wasnt 100% conscious when the incident supposedly happened but Wes seemed sober for most of the ruins so if he said he saw something then I may believe him, but no other cast member besides Syrus took her side, although some girls said they didnt like their experience on the ruins. I just hope he isnt saying it just to be a **** to them but at the same time I also dont want Kenny/Evan to turn out to be rapists. Anyways hopefully we'll see how all this unfolds.
[QUOTE=Blue123;295727]Well I do know what he said, he said they're rapists on fb, but yes I dont know what he said/ what others have told him in private. And I would think so too, that in something this serious you usually dont go saying something like that with such confidence on fb, he didnt say accused rapist he said rapist. And maybe unlike you he may not give as much thought about what he says before he says it, he's the type that blurts **** out without a filter and I dont know if he's smart enough to know that he shouldn't say things that he's not 100% sure are true. This is interesting though, [B]at first I thought Tonya may be confused about what happened because she wasnt 100% conscious when the incident supposedly happened but Wes seemed sober for most of the ruins so if he said he saw something then I may believe him, but no other cast member besides Syrus took her side, although some girls said they didnt like their experience on the ruins.[/B] I just hope he isnt saying it just to be a **** to them but at the same time I also dont want Kenny/Evan to turn out to be rapists. Anyways hopefully we'll see how all this unfolds.[/QUOTE]
Her lawsuit seems to make it clear that she was passed out and later thought the pain down there was due to the physical aspects of the Challenge until others told her what had happened. I feel like Cara Marie implicitly supported her but in a crafty way as to not make MTV mad enough to bar her from the show.
BTW Wes speaking on it to me gives Tonya's claim more credibility. I don't like blowhard Wes, but I tend to believe him in matters about things other than his own greatness.
[QUOTE=FishHooks;295728]Her lawsuit seems to make it clear that she was passed out and later thought the pain down there was due to the physical aspects of the Challenge until others told her what had happened. I feel like Cara Marie implicitly supported her but in a crafty way as to not make MTV mad enough to bar her from the show.
[B]BTW Wes speaking on it to me gives Tonya's claim more credibility. I don't like blowhard Wes, but I tend to believe him in matters about things other than his own greatness[/B].[/QUOTE]
Yeah I think so too, not going to say yeah I believe they're rapists but I'm sure there's stuff happening behind closed doors. Its ballsy though, you either know what you're doing when you do something like that or you're just plain stupid. I dont like the outcome for either. He definitely has balls to purposely put himself out there like that.
What kinda surprised me is how Johnny didnt go on about it after the JEKempire dude tweeted it and of course Kenny said nothing and Camila RT what Johnny said ( but what does she know, she wasnt there). Imo that gave Wes a bit more credibility, he calls you a loser and your friends rapists and that you all********* when it comes to life all you reply with is "spoken like a sore loser" for Johnny thats basically nothing. Who knows maybe Evan/Kenny/Mtv suggested that Johnny should keep quiet.
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Damn.
lol. Wes haters are about to have a feast with this one. Is he having a melt down or something? Why get so emotional on cyber? Who p***ed him off?
[QUOTE=Blue123;295727]Well I do know what he said, he said they're rapists on fb, but yes I dont know what he said/ what others have told him in private. And I would think so too, that in something this serious you usually dont go saying something like that with such confidence on fb, he didnt say accused rapist he said rapist. And maybe unlike you he may not give as much thought about what he says before he says it, he's the type that blurts **** out without a filter and I dont know if he's smart enough to know that he shouldn't say things that he's not 100% sure are true. This is interesting though, at first I thought Tonya may be confused about what happened because she wasnt 100% conscious when the incident supposedly happened but Wes seemed sober for most of the ruins so if he said he saw something then I may believe him, but no other cast member besides Syrus took her side, although some girls said they didnt like their experience on the ruins. I just hope he isnt saying it just to be a **** to them but at the same time I also dont want Kenny/Evan to turn out to be rapists. Anyways hopefully we'll see how all this unfolds.[/QUOTE]
If somebody told Tonya what happened, I find it weird that people who were in the Ruins are still cool with Evan and Kenny. For example Derrick, Johanna, Sarah, Darrell, Brad who even invited Evan to his wedding and Dunbar. In fact people who were screwed by them like Katie said in a recent interview that they are d-bags while they are filming the show but in real life they are cool guys, Davis was asked about the lawsuit and he said that Evan was a good guy and people who had reasons to dislike them like Kellyanne was hanging out with them and Mark after the ruins. I don't like Evan and Kenny's behavior but those Wes comments are pretty serious.
[QUOTE=alucard666;295747]If somebody told Tonya what happened, I find it weird that people who were in the Ruins are still cool with Evan and Kenny. For example Derrick, Johanna, Sarah, Darrell, Brad who even invited Evan to his wedding and Dunbar. In fact people who were screwed by them like Katie said in a recent interview that they are d-bags while they are filming the show but in real life they are cool guys, Davis was asked about the lawsuit and he said that Evan was a good guy and people who had reasons to dislike them like Kellyanne was hanging out with them and Mark after the ruins. I don't like Evan and Kenny's behavior but those Wes comments are pretty serious.[/QUOTE]
These things don't go to trial without facts and evidence, so I guess you will just have to wait to see why it's not "weird."
[QUOTE=alucard666;295747]If somebody told Tonya what happened, I find it weird that people who were in the Ruins are still cool with Evan and Kenny. For example Derrick, Johanna, Sarah, Darrell, Brad who even invited Evan to his wedding and Dunbar. In fact people who were screwed by them like Katie said in a recent interview that they are d-bags while they are filming the show but in real life they are cool guys, Davis was asked about the lawsuit and he said that Evan was a good guy and people who had reasons to dislike them like Kellyanne was hanging out with them and Mark after the ruins. I don't like Evan and Kenny's behavior but those Wes comments are pretty serious.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I know, thats why I was really shocked by his comments, even Wes was friendly with them on the dailies and on the podcast but this was before the lawsuit became public now all of a sudden he changes his tune. When it 1st came out I really wanted to know what he thought but he went on the challenge a few days later and then stopped going on twitter for a few months. Maybe something happened behind closed doors that made him think this, who knows but yeah thats a pretty serious statement to make, he would be an idiot not to know that. But you know what we dont really know who is taking whose side since most wouldnt speak up since it became public, and those who defended them were not there aside from Johnny. And he deleted the "Sarah used to follow rapists" and the "Laurel loves rapists" comments.
Oh Wes. Trying to go hard on twitter. I don't know what happened as far as Tonya's case, so I won't comment on that part of it. I reserve judgment on that.
But putting that aside, Wes' elitist, snooty attitude is just revolting. He's saying "stuck in I work in Las Vegas world, aka for the people I tip" and it goes back to his "you're a personal trainer, I'm a successful business man, I'm very wealthy, you're lower class than me" comment to Darrell. People who go on and on about how wealthy they are and how successful their businesses are seem like all talk to me.
People keep saying that Wes is cool off the shows and it's just a character he's playing, then why the need to do all this on facebook when he's off the challenge? I think he likes stirring the pot anywhere and he is just dripping with bitterness and arrogance.
And I also don't like the "they all-meaning the boring people who don't have a say," comment He's just insulting even the people who like him on the shows in one swoop. *shakes head*
I like Tonya and dislike Kenny but I was still assuming the allegations weren't true. I mean MTV and BMP have to know whether it's true or not and Kenny was still getting paid to host the Jersey Shore aftershows and the BOTE preshow, which leads me to think he didn't do anything. I mean MTV would be in a whole load of hot water for paying a known molester like that, wouldn't they?
[QUOTE=Camille;295759]Oh Wes. Trying to go hard on twitter. I don't know what happened as far as Tonya's case, so I won't comment on that part of it. I reserve judgment on that.
But putting that aside, Wes' elitist, snooty attitude is just revolting. He's saying "stuck in I work in Las Vegas world, aka for the people I tip" and it goes back to his "you're a personal trainer, I'm a successful business man, I'm very wealthy, you're lower class than me" comment to Darrell. People who go on and on about how wealthy they are and how successful their businesses are seem like all talk to me.
People keep saying that Wes is cool off the shows and it's just a character he's playing, then w[B]hy the need to do all this on facebook when he's off the challenge[/B]? I think he likes stirring the pot anywhere and he is just dripping with bitterness and arrogance.
And I also don't like the "they all-meaning the boring people who don't have a say," comment He's just insulting even the people who like him on the shows in one swoop. *shakes head*[/QUOTE]
Not much mystery here. It's time for BMP to begin the casting activity for the next challenge. Since Wes won't be on the Reunion show, his is his time to display and enhance the character he plays on the challenge. I've known him since 2006. There are two Wes' -- the businessman and the character created for television. He's marketing himself and you and others are responding just like The Bachelor viewers are responding to Courtney this season. Dislike and good ratings... the essential dichotomy of reality TV.
[QUOTE=gbp02;295769]I like Tonya and dislike Kenny but I was still assuming the allegations weren't true. I mean MTV and BMP have to know whether it's true or not and Kenny was still getting paid to host the Jersey Shore aftershows and the BOTE preshow, which leads me to think he didn't do anything. [B]I mean MTV would be in a whole load of hot water for paying a known molester like that, wouldn't they?[/B][/QUOTE]
Hot water with whom?
[QUOTE=V1man;295771]Not much mystery here. It's time for BMP to begin the casting activity for the next challenge. Since Wes won't be on the Reunion show, his is his time to display and enhance the character he plays on the challenge. I've known him since 2006. There are two Wes' -- the businessman and the character created for television. He's marketing himself and you and others are responding just like The Bachelor viewers are responding to Courtney this season. Dislike and good ratings... the essential dichotomy of reality TV.
Hot water with whom?[/QUOTE]
Tonya herself, women's rights groups, victims' rights groups, the media in general.
I don't think what Tonya accused Kenny and Evan of was a small deal at all.
When Wes does this stuff outside of challenges, do the other cast members know he's "marketing" or not because I think many of them take real offense. I wouldn't appreciate someone blatantly disrespecting me either way.
[QUOTE=Calinks;295784]When Wes does this stuff outside of challenges, do the other cast members know he's "marketing" or not because I think many of them take real offense. I wouldn't appreciate someone blatantly disrespecting me either way.[/QUOTE]
A. They are all playing their own role, or
B. It never occurred to them that he was "marketing"
-- Johnny, Brandon and Cara Maria have their own deliberate social media agenda. A few like Heather and Leroy tend to mix the personal and business persona, as is expected for people who have yet to develop a unique (separate) TV persona.
Once again he came in to a challenge thought he could run things and ******* out. Leeroy dispelled this myth of him being a beast.
He's good, but he's not in that special class he claimed to be on FM2.
I find it funny how for the second time; Mandi did a better job in a elimination.
Also him making the finals of rivals was purely based on Kenny's political power(a.k.a his friends being in control), in the finals he ******* out pretty bad, maybe it is good he did not make the finals on this one, he'd embarass himself and mandi can't carry him on her back.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;295806]Once again he came in to a challenge thought he could run things and ******* out. Leeroy dispelled this myth of him being a beast.
He's good, but he's not in that special class he claimed to be on FM2.
I find it funny how for the second time; Mandi did a better job in a elimination.
Also him making the finals of rivals was purely based on Kenny's political power(a.k.a his friends being in control), in the finals he ******* out pretty bad, maybe it is good he did not make the finals on this one, he'd embarass himself and mandi can't carry him on her back.[/QUOTE]
Them making the Final was not because of Kenny's political game. They went into half of the male elimination rounds. Kenny's political game helped them at no point in the game. Kenny's performance in the early challenges was actually a detriment to the team.
Mandi doing better in this elimination round is hard to determine based on who their opponents were. By all accounts Naomi is a terrible athlete so it is hard to say how good Mandi did.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;295824]Them making the Final was not because of Kenny's political game. They went into half of the male elimination rounds. Kenny's political game helped them at no point in the game. Kenny's performance in the early challenges was actually a detriment to the team.
Mandi doing better in this elimination round is hard to determine based on who their opponents were. By all accounts Naomi is a terrible athlete so it is hard to say how good Mandi did.[/QUOTE]
If he was not paired with kenny he would go into all on 4 eliminations. everyone hates him. JEK gave him political power. if they weren't paired up JEK would force all the eliminations to be either wes or ct or both.
Wes is a greek god who is good at life, why did he suck against a mere human being? Wes brings upon himself a high standard he has only once approached these shows.
I also like how he gives himself credit for sending vinny home on fm2, kenny did that!
Wes definitely benefited from Kenny's connections on Rivals. At the same time, Wes saved Kenny's butt on a couple of occasions, most notably in that rope climbing elimination.
[QUOTE=V1man;295771]Not much mystery here. It's time for BMP to begin the casting activity for the next challenge. Since Wes won't be on the Reunion show, his is his time to display and enhance the character he plays on the challenge. I've known him since 2006. There are two Wes' -- the businessman and the character created for television. He's [B]marketing himself[/B] and you and others are responding just like The Bachelor viewers are responding to Courtney this season. Dislike and good ratings... the essential dichotomy of reality TV.[/QUOTE]
Not sure if I agree with the way Wes is marketing himself. It's way too transparent. He even disclosed that MTV pays him more. He constantly talks about his successful business. but if he was such a successful businessman, why would he be so desperate to be on the next show?
Idk why you guys are saying the challenges are all Wes has and he has no life without them but look at Paula/Johnny/Kenny who all have done more challenges than him.
[QUOTE=LaneV95;295926]Idk why you guys are saying the challenges are all Wes has and he has no life without them but look at Paula/Johnny/Kenny who all have done more challenges than him.[/QUOTE]
This is what I wonder about Wes, and I'm going to try to put it in a way that doesn't sound sarcastic or overly *******-ish because it is a genuine question: Why DOES he do the show then?
Wes owns or is an investor in small businesses off the show. He's said on numerous occasions how well he does and how the money he makes on the show is nothing compared to what he makes at home and if that's true, that's awesome. Good for him. But if it's true, money is clearly not the reason.
He also said that in challenges that are pairs challenges he doesn't train (apparently he knows beforehand). He said he knows that his fate is tied to someone else so he doesn't think it necessary to work hard or try in the games. The last THREE he's done have been pairs and he's said he's known the format before for each one and if what he's saying is true, didn't put any work in for them. So he's not there for the competition.
If you're going on a game show and you don't care about the money or about the game, why go? Why go when you're there being targeted and made to look like a jerk season after season? If it's cause your you want to be on TV, well that's fine, but then you have him saying he doesn't respect Kenny because he thinks he just wants to be famous. If you admittedly have a made up persona solely for the purpose of making entertaining television and getting camera and being invited back doesn't that mean you're trying to increase your notoriety on the show, also known as "fame"?
I think it's understandable that Kenny and Johnny keep coming back...they're clearly not as financially stable as Wes says he is and they've had a realistic chance of winning the last five or six shows they've done. But if the money isn't important, you don't care to win OR have a real shot to, what other reason is there besides wanting to be on TV?
[QUOTE=Calinks;295882]Wes definitely benefited from Kenny's connections on Rivals. At the same time, Wes saved Kenny's butt on a couple of occasions, most notably in that rope climbing elimination.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;295827]If he was not paired with kenny he would go into all on 4 eliminations. everyone hates him. JEK gave him political power. if they weren't paired up JEK would force all the eliminations to be either wes or ct[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure Kenny actually was the one who benefitted, if you break down the house im pretty sure things wouldnt shake down well for Kenny. Kenny was doing horrible in all the day to day challenges and Wes would not have been the one who got the DQ every one. So assume Kenny gets automatically sent in, he wouldnt last long in those elimination games they had, on top of that his main alliance members were tied to Wes main alliance. Evan tied to Nehemiah, Paula tied to Evelyn, Jenn tied to Mandi and there were alot of voters for Wes to pick up. Had he not been tied to Kenny he porbably would have went after alot of the other voters who were not part of JEK alliance and there were almost as many as were apart and had Wes divided his votes from JEK he would have had more. This challenge he was going to lose inevitably and he knew it. With no vote and only one couple throwing people in he was doomed from the start. Didnt look like he was in shape either.
[QUOTE=JL81790;295933]This is what I wonder about Wes, and I'm going to try to put it in a way that doesn't sound sarcastic or overly *******-ish because it is a genuine question: Why DOES he do the show then?
Wes owns or is an investor in small businesses off the show. He's said on numerous occasions how well he does and how the money he makes on the show is nothing compared to what he makes at home and if that's true, that's awesome. Good for him. But if it's true, money is clearly not the reason.
He also said that in challenges that are pairs challenges he doesn't train (apparently he knows beforehand). He said he knows that his fate is tied to someone else so he doesn't think it necessary to work hard or try in the games. [B]The last THREE he's done have been pairs and he's said he's known the format before for each one and if what he's saying is true, didn't put any work in for them. So he's not there for the competition.[/B]
[B]If you're going on a game show and you don't care about the money or about the game, why go?[/B] Why go when you're there being targeted and made to look like a jerk season after season? If it's cause your you want to be on TV, well that's fine, but then you have him saying he doesn't respect Kenny because he thinks he just wants to be famous. If you admittedly have a made up persona solely for the purpose of making entertaining television and getting camera and being invited back doesn't that mean you're trying to increase your notoriety on the show, also known as "fame"?
I think it's understandable that Kenny and Johnny keep coming back...they're clearly not as financially stable as Wes says he is and they've had a realistic chance of winning the last five or six shows they've done. But if the money isn't important, you don't care to win OR have a real shot to, what other reason is there besides wanting to be on TV?[/QUOTE]
1. Well to be fair he can't run for **** I guess. 2/3 times he was sent home it was because he couldn't run. And on the final where Kenny helped him, Wes still helped Kenny with two of the eliminations they were in and nearly all the challenges they were in until the final one.
2. He could do it just for fun, or fame. The more he stays relevant on these shows the more he could bring business to his shop. Just a theory.
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