The Challenge: All Stars 4- Episode Discussion Thread

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I personally feel like all the Ayanna shit being edited out is why we are even having this constant talk about Cara-Kam-Jasmine-Brandon. Its obvious majority of the shit that we havent seen regarding Ayanna shaped up the first half of this season. Most of the stuff is likely tying back to that.

@fionalive 

I don't think the move was too early even if it didn't work out in the grand scheme. You don't know if an opportunity will present itself like that especially in a format like this.

Jasmine sending in Flora and V would be dumb because those are weaker competitors she MIGHT be able to beat. 

And, Brandon said on the podcast he wouldn't have sent Cara in if it wasn't indiduval. You can't predict when you'll get two champs who also hold stars in a vulernable position again.

It didn't work out but they made a move with the cards dealt to them. It doesn't make sense for either to offer up Flora or V long term. Big risk with a bigger payoff , which didn't happen but I can't fault them for attempting to make something shake.

I like how y'all are going back and forth with each other while respecting each other. *clapping emoji* 

 

idk that move from V is overrated. Jasmine outplayed her initially and couldn't hear whatever the hell they were whispering about fifty feet up in the stands. 

More so has it truly been established it was a "move" Veronica made? The first thing we see in that part of the episode is Nicole telling Veronica she's working with Cara. Veronica then says she's not. In terms of the edit, that isn't Veronica making a move, that's just Veronica denying an accusation. Having said that, I am sure stuff went on that we weren't shown. I just don't know how people can say Veronica made a move there based on what was shown.

Veronica definitely made a move because if she kept her mouth shut she would've got eliminated so her speaking up regardless was a move. Now whether you classify it as a big move or small move it was a move regardless and saved her 

Do I think it was some big master stragic move no lmao do it think it benefited for her to speak in that moment absolutely 

They really need to balance the damn edit. It's an ensemble cast. It's not the Kam & Cara show. 

They really need to balance the damn edit. It's an ensemble cast. It's not the Kam & Cara show. 

I thought they did a lot better with that this last episode thankfully. Hopefully they can keep that up. 

Veronica definitely made a move because if she kept her mouth shut she would've got eliminated so her speaking up regardless was a move. Now whether you classify it as a big move or small move it was a move regardless and saved her 

Well, who would keep their mouth shut when asked a question in that situation? Lol. I mean, when asked "Are you working with Cara?" who is going to stand there and keep quiet?

What I will say is I miss the days when Kam and Cara were both calling out mean girls for bullying Kayleigh and telling them it's not right! Kam and Cara are a great team when they're on the same page. Let's get them back to their book club!

Imagine if production said Nicole couldn't change her vote? The fallout would be entertaining af

Kam and Cara were a forced duo by fans lmao they were never tight like that until their interests aligned because big Mama Stucky was coming for them both on WOTW. Never got the vibe Kam and Cara liked each other on any season they've done together 

Kam and Cara were a forced duo by fans lmao they were never tight like that until their interests aligned because big Mama Stucky was coming for them both on WOTW. Never got the vibe Kam and Cara liked each other on any season they've done together 

Thank you for reiterating what I wrote. Getting me wet...

Kam and Cara were a forced duo by fans lmao they were never tight like that until their interests aligned because big Mama Stucky was coming for them both on WOTW. Never got the vibe Kam and Cara liked each other on any season they've done together 

Tbf they started hanging out off the show after Vendettas. I wouldn't say they were super close, but friends nonetheless. Not enough to throw away a chance at real money for each other, though. 

Plus Kam went into WOTW2 season in alliance with Paulie/Cara, with Ashley and Kayleigh in her pocket too, and then built from there. She really set herself up well going into that season, it wasn't really a reaction to Laurel even if they aligned their interested against her quick. Kam really needs to given her proper dues for that alliance and several of the moves made. 

Kam didnt even walk into WOTW2 100% with Paulie/Cara, thats why she selected Paulie when she was the speaker which makes it so much more impressive . Kam, Ashley & Paulie ran WOTW 2

Kam really only had Kayleigh.

She did not have deep relationships with most of the cast that season. Team USA at least.

Kam didnt even walk into WOTW2 100% with Paulie/Cara, thats why she selected Paulie when she was the speaker which makes it so much more impressive . Kam, Ashley & Paulie ran WOTW 2

Yep, she had like a handshake ish deal but they cemented it there. But she pre-gamed smartly to lay the ground work to have a couple in her alliance and then got Cara/Ashley to make up. Savvy since no one was expecting the link-up between any of those people. And then ran that season.

If we're gonna keep seeing Kam in confessionals can they at least glue her wig all the way down cuz the lace is lifting on the side & i'm tired of seeing it x_x

If we're gonna keep seeing Kam in confessionals can they at least glue her wig all the way down cuz the lace is lifting on the side & i'm tired of seeing it x_x

Bloop, now my wig has been lifted!

So Flora made a comment that Cara and Tina were somehow involved/responsible for Nicole getting to switch from Veronica to Jasmine. Tina's remark about the comment is that if Flora thinks she has that much power, fine with her. Tina said it happened fast, and that when Veronica walked up she asked her what happened. Tina also said she kept her mouth shut. So, definitely some contradicting versions of events!

If we're gonna keep seeing Kam in confessionals can they at least glue her wig all the way down cuz the lace is lifting on the side & i'm tired of seeing it x_x

lol

I believe what Tina writes there because it gives context for why Nicole kept asking Veronica about working with Cara. It also means Veronica didn't really "make a move" to avoid elimination, she was just denying accusations made by Nicole because of Flora/Jasmine.

Things that wouldve been great to see in the edit SMH

Nicole's decision still didn't make sense... she could've taken out Veronica and stole Cara's star, also Jasmine clearly wasn't working with Cara so how did the move benefit Nicole?

I wanted jasmine gone anyway but there was no logic, UNLESS jasmine (and Flora) lied to Nicole about Veronica working with Cara.

Nicole's decision still didn't make sense... she could've taken out Veronica and stole Cara's star, also Jasmine clearly wasn't working with Cara so how did the move benefit Nicole?

I wanted jasmine gone anyway but there was no logic, UNLESS jasmine (and Flora) lied to Nicole about Veronica working with Cara.

Nicole is full of hot air. It's logical in that way, better to get a star with the path of least resistance which is Jasmine. Scared, but smart enough. Plus Nicole is likely still convinced she can beat Cara in a final, or so she's always said since Vendettas. 

Also yes, Jasmine/Flora lied about V working with Cara. V has never, ever liked Cara and wouldn't work with her -- she's got taste. If they didn't lie, then they made an assumption based on how Cara had a known deal with Rachel and hung out with Rachel/Tina occasionally, so V was guilty by association. Nicole should have been able to work that they weren't working together when Cara literally just voted V in to elim. 

Tbh I'm not giving anyone credit for shit because this should not have been allowed.

Tbh I'm not giving anyone credit for shit because this should not have been allowed.

Tbh I'm not giving anyone credit for shit because this should not have been allowed.

This is true

Nicole's decision still didn't make sense... she could've taken out Veronica and stole Cara's star

If Nicole takes out V, then she gets V's star. Cara Maria's star was completely safe.

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