I mean, yes they exploit, but comparing Ayanna and Tonya is a huge stretch. Ayanna is an overemotional person who is always at like an 8, why should production not cast her if recent circumstances brought her up to a 9, 9.5?
If you don't understand why they shouldn't cast an emotional person who is grieving a fresh loss and still mentally recovering from an abusive relationship then you like the same basic morals as production. We got what out of it? Someone quitting because their experience with her was so bad, toxic drama that will all be edited out, and an emotional breakdown from Ayanna. What part of that was worth it? 4 pages of Vevmo discussion before the next boot is released and then complaining about the boring edit in a few months?
But if she was able to pass the psych exam why wouldn't they cast her? One thing if she failed it
All it took was reading her tweets and knowing she's already an emotional person. Being able to manipulate a psych test wasn't even necessary and shouldn't have been an option.
Reading those tweets just give me normal Ayanna that we have seen on this show for decades. What differentiate that with the whole meltdown of sleeping in her uniform after being voted out? Are you saying she shouldn't be cast 20 years ago over her personality? She is an intense and emotional person.
Ayanna has a family of like 3-4 kids and All Stars 5 isn't guaranteed. I can't fault her for wanting to take a potentially final opportunity to make some money for her family, despite what she was going through.
So, taking that into consideration, I deeply wish her peace, healing, and if necessary, redemption.
Reading those tweets just give me normal Ayanna that we have seen on this show for decades. What differentiate that with the whole meltdown of sleeping in her uniform after being voted out? She is an intense and emotional person.
My apologies. I didn't know that Ayanna was dealing with the murder of a child she had a relationship with when she had other breakdowns as well. You are proving my point and not realizing it. She's an intense emotional person naturally and now dealing with 2 very traumatic incidents at one time. Of course she's going to snap.
Ayanna has a family of like 3-4 kids and All Stars 5 isn't guaranteed. I can't fault her for wanting to take a potentially final opportunity to make some money for her family, despite what she was going through.
I'm not blaming her for going. I'm blaming the people who knew she was an emotional toxic mess out season 2 and then cast her again knowing that on top of dealing with her traumatic events.
I mean, yes they exploit, but comparing Ayanna and Tonya is a huge stretch. Ayanna is an overemotional person who is always at like an 8, why should production not cast her if recent circumstances brought her up to a 9, 9.5?
If you don't understand why they shouldn't cast an emotional person who is grieving a fresh loss and still mentally recovering from an abusive relationship then you like the same basic morals as production. We got what out of it? Someone quitting because their experience with her was so bad, toxic drama that will all be edited out, and an emotional breakdown from Ayanna. What part of that was worth it? 4 pages of Vevmo discussion before the next boot is released and then complaining about the boring edit in a few months?
The soapbox you're standing on hardly has any information in it, you're making a lot of assumptions. You should also be giving Ayanna a little more credit imo, she's not Tonya
The soapbox you're standing on hardly has any information in it, you're making a lot of assumptions. You should also be giving Ayanna a little more credit imo, she's not Tonya
I'm sorry. I thought it was simple understanding. I view her as an actual human being while it appears some of you view her as just asource of tv entertainment. I guess you are lucky to not understand how traumaand tragedy can alter behavior...especially from an already at best case scenario highly emotional person.
Reading those tweets just give me normal Ayanna that we have seen on this show for decades. What differentiate that with the whole meltdown of sleeping in her uniform after being voted out? She is an intense and emotional person.
My apologies. I didn't know that Ayanna was dealing with the murder of a child she had a relationship with when she had other breakdowns as well. You are proving my point and not realizing it. She's an intense emotional person naturally and now dealing with 2 very traumatic incidents at one time. Of course she's going to snap.
The thing is that she didn't snap hence she didn't DQ this was the same behavior she had on season 2 that wasn't shown, when she wasn't dealing with what you are stating.
The difference is that one person that already had issues with her over the same stuff on the season they did together had enough and decided not to deal with it this time around. Then she proceeded to messed with someone that isn't a Sophia or Jodi didn't allowed her to walk all over her.
How were they supposed to know before this season it wasn't ok to cast Ayanna though? From the outside she seemed to be doing well, training, losing weight, being positive. If she passed the psych test, I'm not sure how they were to determine that she wasn't in a place to be cast. The person that died wasn't a close family member or something.
How were they supposed to know before this season it wasn't ok to cast Ayanna though? From the outside she seemed to be doing well, training, losing weight, being positive. If she passed the psych test, I'm not sure how they were to determine that she wasn't in a place to be cast. The person that died wasn't a close family member or something.
Her tweets and instagram were clear she was dealing with a lot. I don't care if it wasn't family. If I knew a child who was ******* murdered, I would be an emotional wreck over it...and I'm not typically that emotional. I'm confused how you don't see how that would affect her behavior.
Reading those tweets just give me normal Ayanna that we have seen on this show for decades. What differentiate that with the whole meltdown of sleeping in her uniform after being voted out? She is an intense and emotional person.
My apologies. I didn't know that Ayanna was dealing with the murder of a child she had a relationship with when she had other breakdowns as well. You are proving my point and not realizing it. She's an intense emotional person naturally and now dealing with 2 very traumatic incidents at one time. Of course she's going to snap.
The thing is that she didn't snap hence she didn't DQ this was the same behavior she had on season 2 that wasn't shown, when she wasn't dealing with what you are stating.The difference is that one person that already had issues with her over the same stuff on the season they did together had enough and decided not to deal with it this time around. Then she proceeded to messed with someone that isn't a Sophia or Jodi didn't allowed her to walk all over her.
Exactly what we are hearing now is no different from what cast members have said happenned on all stars 2 that wasn't shown
How were they supposed to know before this season it wasn't ok to cast Ayanna though? From the outside she seemed to be doing well, training, losing weight, being positive. If she passed the psych test, I'm not sure how they were to determine that she wasn't in a place to be cast. The person that died wasn't a close family member or something.
Her tweets and instagram were clear she was dealing with a lot. I don't care if it wasn't family. If I knew a child who was ******* murdered, I would be an emotional wreck over it...and I'm not typically that emotional. I'm confused how you don't see how that would affect her behavior.
that's true, but people fill their social media with outrage over black people being horribly murdered as part of a protest movement, it's hard to distinguish that from personal grief. I saw some of those Ayanna posts and I didn't realize she knew this child well.
The thing is that she didn't snap hence she didn't DQ this was the same behavior she had on season 2 that wasn't shown, when she wasn't dealing with what you are stating.
Her behavior was toxic. You mentioned in here that production was worried about her mental health post game. Again, you are proving my point...they knew she was emotional and volatile on season 2 and cast that same person who was now dealing with trauma and tragedy. It turned into a mess that they can't even put on tv. If you don't understand how casting her wasn't right at this time in her life then there is no point in this conversation. Stay living in your blissful fairytale if that is the case. I find it unethical and wrong. My opinion, you have yours. Hipe you have goodnight! Go Flora, Tina, and Kefla!
The soapbox you're standing on hardly has any information in it, you're making a lot of assumptions. You should also be giving Ayanna a little more credit imo, she's not Tonya
I'm sorry. I thought it was simple understanding. I view her as an actual human being while it appears some of you view her as just asource of tv entertainment. I guess you are lucky to not understand how traumaand tragedy can alter behavior...especially from an already at best case scenario highly emotional person.
You're making an assumption that these awful events directly triggered Ayanna and led to her lashing out. Pink has told us Ayanna has had a lot of similar altercations on All-Stars 2 with many different people that didn't make it to air. Ayanna gets into arguments with people, it's what she does. I can't blindly accept that this recent trauma (while certainly not helping) caused her to get into arguments that likely would have happened regardless. There's a 25 year pattern here, that's all I'm saying.
As a community can we please ignore Oldschooler just another Kvm trying to argue in circles
Feel free to ignore me. I don't care lol. I have a lot of professional experience dealing with this kind of stuff, it's very personal to me so I'm speaking my opinion. People have different opinions based on their work and experiences. People are now arguing just to argue and not to listen so I'm done and going to bed lol. Have a good night.
Reading those tweets just give me normal Ayanna that we have seen on this show for decades. What differentiate that with the whole meltdown of sleeping in her uniform after being voted out? She is an intense and emotional person.
My apologies. I didn't know that Ayanna was dealing with the murder of a child she had a relationship with when she had other breakdowns as well. You are proving my point and not realizing it. She's an intense emotional person naturally and now dealing with 2 very traumatic incidents at one time. Of course she's going to snap.
The thing is that she didn't snap hence she didn't DQ this was the same behavior she had on season 2 that wasn't shown, when she wasn't dealing with what you are stating.The difference is that one person that already had issues with her over the same stuff on the season they did together had enough and decided not to deal with it this time around. Then she proceeded to messed with someone that isn't a Sophia or Jodi didn't allowed her to walk all over her.
Thanks for the clarification. So now can everyone stop with the "Ayanna snapped and she isn't emotionally stable for the show" shit?
Anyways, I love her goddess behavior. Sounds like she got Janelle to leave and her next target was Kam?! Ayanna you are a legend girl. She may have picked the wrong one but I would pay to see that Ayanna/Kam altercation. It almost got physical right? Love this mess.
You're making an assumption that these awful events directly triggered Ayanna and led to her lashing out.
It's not assumptions. It's a basic understanding of human bevahior and response to trauma. Especially given her history and natural personality. You all keep making the same point to prove me right and don't realize it lol. I'm glad you get to be ignorant on the subject though. For real though my last post (tonight lol).
How were they supposed to know before this season it wasn't ok to cast Ayanna though? From the outside she seemed to be doing well, training, losing weight, being positive. If she passed the psych test, I'm not sure how they were to determine that she wasn't in a place to be cast. The person that died wasn't a close family member or something.
Because it wasn't not ok to cast her. This is Ayanna being Ayanna. She was harassing Janelle and she moved onto Kam. Simple as that. Everyone needs to stop acting like she's a mental patient.
Ayanna should not be cast again. There's a difference between providing fun drama arguments and following people around the house arguing at them until they quit.
If Ayanna has problems with LT, Sophia, Jodi, Katie, Jasmine, Janelle, Kam, Leroy, Brandon, etc., then she is the problem.
You can be a fun abrasive heel up to a point. She has no off switch and I have no doubt if push comes to shove, she could get violent. She's not or rarely has been in a well enough mental state to handle the pressures of the game.
Ayanna should not be cast again. There's a difference between providing fun drama arguments and following people around the house arguing at them until they quit.
If Ayanna has problems with LT, Sophia, Jodi, Katie, Jasmine, Janelle, Kam, Leroy, Brandon, etc., then she is the problem.
You can be a fun abrasive heel up to a point. She has no off switch and I have no doubt if push comes to shove, she could get violent. She's not or rarely has been in a well enough mental state to handle the pressures of the game.
Well good thing you're not a part of casting. They're doing a bad enough job as it is. Don't need your help.
If you don't understand why they shouldn't cast an emotional person who is grieving a fresh loss and still mentally recovering from an abusive relationship then you like the same basic morals as production. We got what out of it? Someone quitting because their experience with her was so bad, toxic drama that will all be edited out, and an emotional breakdown from Ayanna. What part of that was worth it? 4 pages of Vevmo discussion before the next boot is released and then complaining about the boring edit in a few months?
Reading those tweets just give me normal Ayanna that we have seen on this show for decades. What differentiate that with the whole meltdown of sleeping in her uniform after being voted out? Are you saying she shouldn't be cast 20 years ago over her personality? She is an intense and emotional person.
Ayanna has a family of like 3-4 kids and All Stars 5 isn't guaranteed. I can't fault her for wanting to take a potentially final opportunity to make some money for her family, despite what she was going through.
So, taking that into consideration, I deeply wish her peace, healing, and if necessary, redemption.
My apologies. I didn't know that Ayanna was dealing with the murder of a child she had a relationship with when she had other breakdowns as well. You are proving my point and not realizing it. She's an intense emotional person naturally and now dealing with 2 very traumatic incidents at one time. Of course she's going to snap.
I'm not blaming her for going. I'm blaming the people who knew she was an emotional toxic mess out season 2 and then cast her again knowing that on top of dealing with her traumatic events.
The soapbox you're standing on hardly has any information in it, you're making a lot of assumptions. You should also be giving Ayanna a little more credit imo, she's not Tonya
I'm sorry. I thought it was simple understanding. I view her as an actual human being while it appears some of you view her as just asource of tv entertainment. I guess you are lucky to not understand how traumaand tragedy can alter behavior...especially from an already at best case scenario highly emotional person.
The thing is that she didn't snap hence she didn't DQ this was the same behavior she had on season 2 that wasn't shown, when she wasn't dealing with what you are stating.
The difference is that one person that already had issues with her over the same stuff on the season they did together had enough and decided not to deal with it this time around. Then she proceeded to messed with someone that isn't a Sophia or Jodi didn't allowed her to walk all over her.
How were they supposed to know before this season it wasn't ok to cast Ayanna though? From the outside she seemed to be doing well, training, losing weight, being positive. If she passed the psych test, I'm not sure how they were to determine that she wasn't in a place to be cast. The person that died wasn't a close family member or something.
Her tweets and instagram were clear she was dealing with a lot. I don't care if it wasn't family. If I knew a child who was ******* murdered, I would be an emotional wreck over it...and I'm not typically that emotional. I'm confused how you don't see how that would affect her behavior.
As a community can we please ignore Oldschooler just another Kvm trying to argue in circles
Exactly what we are hearing now is no different from what cast members have said happenned on all stars 2 that wasn't shown
that's true, but people fill their social media with outrage over black people being horribly murdered as part of a protest movement, it's hard to distinguish that from personal grief. I saw some of those Ayanna posts and I didn't realize she knew this child well.
Her behavior was toxic. You mentioned in here that production was worried about her mental health post game. Again, you are proving my point...they knew she was emotional and volatile on season 2 and cast that same person who was now dealing with trauma and tragedy. It turned into a mess that they can't even put on tv. If you don't understand how casting her wasn't right at this time in her life then there is no point in this conversation. Stay living in your blissful fairytale if that is the case. I find it unethical and wrong. My opinion, you have yours. Hipe you have goodnight! Go Flora, Tina, and Kefla!
You're making an assumption that these awful events directly triggered Ayanna and led to her lashing out. Pink has told us Ayanna has had a lot of similar altercations on All-Stars 2 with many different people that didn't make it to air. Ayanna gets into arguments with people, it's what she does. I can't blindly accept that this recent trauma (while certainly not helping) caused her to get into arguments that likely would have happened regardless. There's a 25 year pattern here, that's all I'm saying.
Feel free to ignore me. I don't care lol. I have a lot of professional experience dealing with this kind of stuff, it's very personal to me so I'm speaking my opinion. People have different opinions based on their work and experiences. People are now arguing just to argue and not to listen so I'm done and going to bed lol. Have a good night.
Correlation Does Not Imply Causation
Thanks for the clarification. So now can everyone stop with the "Ayanna snapped and she isn't emotionally stable for the show" shit?
Anyways, I love her goddess behavior. Sounds like she got Janelle to leave and her next target was Kam?! Ayanna you are a legend girl. She may have picked the wrong one but I would pay to see that Ayanna/Kam altercation. It almost got physical right? Love this mess.
It's not assumptions. It's a basic understanding of human bevahior and response to trauma. Especially given her history and natural personality. You all keep making the same point to prove me right and don't realize it lol. I'm glad you get to be ignorant on the subject though. For real though my last post (tonight lol).
Because it wasn't not ok to cast her. This is Ayanna being Ayanna. She was harassing Janelle and she moved onto Kam. Simple as that. Everyone needs to stop acting like she's a mental patient.
So my suspicions of Kam targeting Rachel are probably true then if Rachel was besties with Ayanna lol
Also can't Kam handle her own? Why Brandon and Leroy gotta get involved lol. Ayanna is 2 much for these folks.
Goddess behavior. I wish Flora was showing out like this. Show these new folks what the real OGs are about. No bullshit.
Give it time maybe our queen Flora will iconically flip her shit out on someone soon if she hasn't already
Ayanna should not be cast again. There's a difference between providing fun drama arguments and following people around the house arguing at them until they quit.
If Ayanna has problems with LT, Sophia, Jodi, Katie, Jasmine, Janelle, Kam, Leroy, Brandon, etc., then she is the problem.
You can be a fun abrasive heel up to a point. She has no off switch and I have no doubt if push comes to shove, she could get violent. She's not or rarely has been in a well enough mental state to handle the pressures of the game.
Ayanna is giving female Turbo
No.
Well good thing you're not a part of casting. They're doing a bad enough job as it is. Don't need your help.
Ayanna on the extreme challenge was EVERYTHING.... I felt for her dealing with her mother's death
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