The Challenge : Spies, Lies and Allies (Spoiler Discussion) - Part 2

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Rookies need to be cast in clusters from the same shows.

which is exactly why BB seems to thrive unfortunately.

Exactly. But the current BB group has to be replaced with a likable squad.

Players like Nelson and Nany who get dragged to the final cause they aren't a threat and only play for 3rd place deserve zero credit.

on what show do you watch does nelson get dragged anywhere. why are we lying on this sunday. Hes performed on every daily, and no one wants to call him into elimination because they dont want that smoke

Nelson has done 8 challenges and never won. Only made the final twice. He's averaging 1 daily win a season. I'll give you that his elimination record aint bad. He's still lost 5/14 times so let's not act like he's unbeatable. The debate though is that he never puts himself in a position to win.

Nelson has done 8 challenges and never won. Only made the final twice. He's averaging 1 daily win a season. I'll give you that his elimination record aint bad. He's still lost 5/14 times so let's not act like he's unbeatable. The debate though is that he never puts himself in a position to win.

thats not the debate. the original post said he was being carried. The moment the format switched. him and ct had their tickets punched to the final. and lmao at his elimination record isnt bad, its just one of the best of all times on this show 

He kind of is being carried by the vet alliance though. What moves has he made to get to the end? He could have had the numbers but decided to settle being last in line behind CT, Devin, Josh, and Kyle. He is lucky Fessy dq'd or he doubtfully would have made the finals.

He kind of is being carried by the vet alliance though. What moves has he made to get to the end? He could have had the numbers but decided to settle being last in line behind CT, Devin, Josh, and Kyle. He is lucky Fessy dq'd or he doubtfully would have made the finals.

there isnt a vet alliance anymore? you cant be on cts nuts for ppl being scared of him and then try to downplay nelson this season for the same thing 

You are stanning too hard. Nelson isn't that great, no biggie. He literally just provides corny confessionals acting like TJ is the showrunner and the all mighty powerful Oz.

You are stanning too hard. Nelson isn't that great, no biggie. He literally just provides corny confessionals acting like TJ is the showrunner and the all mighty powerful Oz.

when you talk out your *** so you gotta deflect>>>>>>>>>

You are stanning too hard. Nelson isn't that great, no biggie. He literally just provides corny confessionals acting like TJ is the showrunner and the all mighty powerful Oz.

Of the old tired vets he is probably the best other than CT, as a competitor give me Nelson everyday instead of Kyle, Cory, Josh or Devin

 

You are stanning too hard. Nelson isn't that great, no biggie. He literally just provides corny confessionals acting like TJ is the showrunner and the all mighty powerful Oz.

Of the old tired vets he is probably the best other than CT, as a competitor give me Nelson everyday instead of Kyle, Cory, Josh or Devin

thats literally all i said is that no one wants to see him or ct and im being called a stan lmao 

The format before where you got to choose any opponent to pair up for elimination was perfect for getting rid of ct and now with that midseason switch it was over. No one wants to get rid of ct in a team challenge and no one wants to call him out solo welp

The format before where you got to choose any opponent to pair up for elimination was perfect for getting rid of ct and now with that midseason switch it was over. No one wants to get rid of ct in a team challenge and no one wants to call him out solo welp

and as a result they all lost AGAIN lmao 

Mike Holloway from Survivor called out Kyle calling him a scared player and asking TJ to go against him in a hall brawl LMAO

 

You are stanning too hard. Nelson isn't that great, no biggie. He literally just provides corny confessionals acting like TJ is the showrunner and the all mighty powerful Oz.

when you talk out your *** so you gotta deflect>>>>>>>>>

Huh lol? You are getting way too defensive over a corny flop like Nelson.

CT biggest threat in that final was Kyle which is sad. Good for CT but sad that Kyle didn't do anything to try to take out a champ just to lose another final to a champ. Kyle will never learn his lesson. He probably would've won had CT not been in the picture

In his defense they think the final would be in teams. And he is in CT's team after last episode. Some kind of twist must've happened later on

We should have had 3 teams from the beginning.

I love Nelson but am realizing he is just not going to win. I'm happy he finally got to another final though.

F production for the vendettas purge. And then the only final reckoning physical elimination with him and shane.

We should have had 3 teams from the beginning.

CT biggest threat in that final was Kyle which is sad. Good for CT but sad that Kyle didn't do anything to try to take out a champ just to lose another final to a champ. Kyle will never learn his lesson. He probably would've won had CT not been in the picture

You can't blame him (I mean you can but at you can at least see his logic) since they started making the format unpredictable. He probably thought he'd have an easy team win with CT but instead they made it individual (or a pairs final with CT/Kaycee) last minute.

If production would just stick to a format and actually be honest about it instead of making these conveniently suspicious twists, and actually have it last all season, maybe they wouldn't be scared to make moves.

We should have had 3 teams from the beginning.

I love Nelson but am realizing he is just not going to win. I'm happy he finally got to another final though.

F production for the vendettas purge. And then the only final reckoning physical elimination with him and shane.

Nelly can absolutely win in a team or even a pair format. Individually? Most likely not. We are in the hardest era ever for someone to win because we get so few winners each season now. Nelly, Kam, Leroy, Nany, Cory, Tori, Kyle etc would of been champs many seasons ago if they still did big team seasons for most seasons. 

It is so hard to just make a final alone these days that I look at it as a win just for that fact alone unless he bombs the final hard. Now I just need my girl Amanda to make her first final...... So close this season. SMH.

 

This was Nelson's best season in a long time when it comes to his individual performance alone on daily challenges. He had been bombing them hard lately on recent seasons. But he was really good this season in just his performance alone. Even though he ultimately did not win any. Mostly due to how awful as a team Ruby was.

 

I love Nelson but am realizing he is just not going to win. I'm happy he finally got to another final though.

F production for the vendettas purge. And then the only final reckoning physical elimination with him and shane.

Nelly can absolutely win in a team or even a pair format. Individually? Most likely not. We are in the hardest era ever for someone to win because we get so few winners each season now. Nelly, Kam, Leroy, Nany, Cory, Tori, Kyle etc would of been champs many seasons ago if they still did big team seasons for most seasons. 

It is so hard to just make a final alone these days that I look at it as a win just for that fact alone unless he bombs the final hard. Now I just need my girl Amanda to make her first final...... So close this season. SMH.

 

Nelly isnt winning a pair format either when he plays scared like most people and either ct, bananas or jordan are there. And team challenges rarely happen anymore. I think its safe to say hes never winning. Hasnt he also not won a daily in like 5 years or something lol.

 

I love Nelson but am realizing he is just not going to win. I'm happy he finally got to another final though.

F production for the vendettas purge. And then the only final reckoning physical elimination with him and shane.

Nelly can absolutely win in a team or even a pair format. Individually? Most likely not. We are in the hardest era ever for someone to win because we get so few winners each season now. Nelly, Kam, Leroy, Nany, Cory, Tori, Kyle etc would of been champs many seasons ago if they still did big team seasons for most seasons. 

It is so hard to just make a final alone these days that I look at it as a win just for that fact alone unless he bombs the final hard. Now I just need my girl Amanda to make her first final...... So close this season. SMH.

 

A lot of OG favs would not have won if it wasn't for team seasons they were just lucky they played in a different era 

 

 

I love Nelson but am realizing he is just not going to win. I'm happy he finally got to another final though.

F production for the vendettas purge. And then the only final reckoning physical elimination with him and shane.

Nelly can absolutely win in a team or even a pair format. Individually? Most likely not. We are in the hardest era ever for someone to win because we get so few winners each season now. Nelly, Kam, Leroy, Nany, Cory, Tori, Kyle etc would of been champs many seasons ago if they still did big team seasons for most seasons. 

It is so hard to just make a final alone these days that I look at it as a win just for that fact alone unless he bombs the final hard. Now I just need my girl Amanda to make her first final...... So close this season. SMH.

 

A lot of OG favs would not have won if it wasn't for team seasons they were just lucky they played in a different era 

Derrick K is the single most overrated challenger ever. He would not have a win if he competed in this era of the challenge.

Now that y'all have seen more of the season, what are your predictions for the final placements? 

 

 

 

I love Nelson but am realizing he is just not going to win. I'm happy he finally got to another final though.

F production for the vendettas purge. And then the only final reckoning physical elimination with him and shane.

Nelly can absolutely win in a team or even a pair format. Individually? Most likely not. We are in the hardest era ever for someone to win because we get so few winners each season now. Nelly, Kam, Leroy, Nany, Cory, Tori, Kyle etc would of been champs many seasons ago if they still did big team seasons for most seasons. 

It is so hard to just make a final alone these days that I look at it as a win just for that fact alone unless he bombs the final hard. Now I just need my girl Amanda to make her first final...... So close this season. SMH.

 

A lot of OG favs would not have won if it wasn't for team seasons they were just lucky they played in a different era 

Derrick K is the single most overrated challenger ever. He would not have a win if he competed in this era of the challenge.

His podcast going downhill, challenge stats going downhill, can't win a final, can't win an elimination. It was time to address this. He's definitely overrated.

 

 

 

I love Nelson but am realizing he is just not going to win. I'm happy he finally got to another final though.

F production for the vendettas purge. And then the only final reckoning physical elimination with him and shane.

Nelly can absolutely win in a team or even a pair format. Individually? Most likely not. We are in the hardest era ever for someone to win because we get so few winners each season now. Nelly, Kam, Leroy, Nany, Cory, Tori, Kyle etc would of been champs many seasons ago if they still did big team seasons for most seasons. 

It is so hard to just make a final alone these days that I look at it as a win just for that fact alone unless he bombs the final hard. Now I just need my girl Amanda to make her first final...... So close this season. SMH.

 

A lot of OG favs would not have won if it wasn't for team seasons they were just lucky they played in a different era 

Derrick K is the single most overrated challenger ever. He would not have a win if he competed in this era of the challenge.

Don't gotta tell me twice I have always been on the Derrick is overrated train. All these all time greats have a signature non team win except for him and a few others 

To his defense he only competed in that era where it was almost always team challenges. He made it to the final on Dirty 30, an individual season and he has some good elimination wins. Definitely not a all time greats but he's better than most competitors this show got

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