Also like not for nothing, Josh shouldn't continuously put himself on national TV and act the way he does arguing with everyone and anything, without expecting some blacklash
Ok but his backlash should be Devin trolling him and calling him a ***** and other type things backlash can't be calling him gay (when he may still be in the closet) or anything else outwardly racist/homophobic.
Why? If Ashley wants to call him out for being gay or saying that everyone thinks he's gay then she should go for it. He has no respect NONE for other people. If she said it as being gay is a "bad thing" then that's homophobic and a different issue but she's allowed to say that everyone thinks he's gay. Let's not pretend that's the first time it's been said.
we don't know how she said it, that's the point. It was probably in a homophobic, hence the dq
That's a different argument though. It's being said that Ashley isn't allowed to say anything about her believing he's gay no matter what disrespectful thing he did. That's the argument. And, no, we don't know it was homophobic. MTV errors on the side of caution now because of the current climate.
ashley commenting on his sexuality during an argument was mostly likely done with malicious intent. It's not even about being disrespectful to just josh, it's about being disrespectful towards gay people because she's using it to insult him(if that's how it happened). So it stops being about josh and it starts being about how she sees being gay as something wrong/funny/to insult someone with. At least that's how I see it (btw I'm here for the josh hate, I'm just not here for homophobia)
THIS, its literally not about "outing" someone who isn't "out yet". Its all about INTENT. Her intentions wasn't just to "expose" but to be hateful. Thats literally it. Using sexual orientation to be hateful. Its like using someone's race to be hateful . The problem isn't their race, and the problem isn't being gay/whether or not Josh is gay-the problem is using those identities to be malicious. Its too sensitive of a subject in society to use that identity/label for hate. Because at the end of the day people still get disowned and even killed over sensitive identities such as those things. So using it to be malicious isn't going to be seen okay.
There are other things other castmates have said that also should have gotten them removed before this, but MTV is late with the shits so..
Josh loves to poke people until they explode and then he cries. Both situations involving DQs around Josh this season sounds like he poke them and poke them until they had enough
That's good strategy imo that is what I would do. Just get everyone to punch me or some shit lmao
I remember that being the strategy for CT in rivals 1 loll
Fessy pushed Josh after Josh threw something at him
Josh assaulted Fessy for tv time and attention. Fessy retailated before security could intervene which is what Josh thought would happen so he cried cause he got touched. Production disciplined the middle-eastern man because they are racist and let the one they have admitted is their favorite get away with his actions.
Fessy pushed Josh after Josh threw something at him
Josh assaulted Fessy for tv time and attention. Fessy retailated before security could intervene which is what Josh thought would happen so he cried cause he got touched. Production disciplined the middle-eastern man because they are racist and let the one they have admitted is their favorite get away with his actions.
Why make the distinction of one's race when they are both POC?
Fessy pushed Josh after Josh threw something at him
Josh assaulted Fessy for tv time and attention. Fessy retailated before security could intervene which is what Josh thought would happen so he cried cause he got touched. Production disciplined the middle-eastern man because they are racist and let the one they have admitted is their favorite get away with his actions.
Why make the distinction of one's race when they are both POC?
Because society has a history of looking at Middle-Eastern men as dangerous and violent. I think that played a role in him getting kicked off. Had it been CT who shoved him I don't think he would have been booted.
Ashley could've went a different route. Call him a fat *** like jessica graf did. I'm sure jessica wanted to call him all types of gay but she refrained from doing so. Same with Devin who just continued to call him an idiot. Josh is very disrespectful and deserves to be disrespected but the gay stuff should be left out of it bc that's a very touchy personal subject.
When Jess called him fat (which would also insult "fat" people) did it make him stop treating people poorly? Nothing is off topic when you attack someone. NOTHING. The only possible thing would be a deceased family member.
I think sexual orientation and race should be off limits but that's just me.
Race yes--that never acceptable. See Camila
But not sexual orientation unless you say it in an attacking way not just that she thinks you're gay.
Until this day Idk why Camila went off on Leroy he wasn't doing shit to her
Probably something she always wanted to do/say and felt like it was her chance/moent. She always wanted to say those things and she was drunk- she spewed her sober thoughts the little "chance" she felt she had to do it.
Fessy pushed Josh after Josh threw something at him
Josh assaulted Fessy for tv time and attention. Fessy retailated before security could intervene which is what Josh thought would happen so he cried cause he got touched. Production disciplined the middle-eastern man because they are racist and let the one they have admitted is their favorite get away with his actions.
Why make the distinction of one's race when they are both POC?
Because society has a history of looking at Middle-Eastern men as dangerous and violent. I think that played a role in him getting kicked off. Had it been CT who shoved him I don't think he would have been booted.
Cory and Nelson shoved each other hard AF during an elimination and neither of them went home for that neither.
IDK I still think the Fessy vs Josh stuff was staged or something lol.
Fessy pushed Josh after Josh threw something at him
Josh assaulted Fessy for tv time and attention. Fessy retailated before security could intervene which is what Josh thought would happen so he cried cause he got touched. Production disciplined the middle-eastern man because they are racist and let the one they have admitted is their favorite get away with his actions.
Why make the distinction of one's race when they are both POC?
Because society has a history of looking at Middle-Eastern men as dangerous and violent. I think that played a role in him getting kicked off. Had it been CT who shoved him I don't think he would have been booted.
Valid - but I think it's more than production, for some ludicrous reason, feel Josh is more bankable than Fessy. Cause Ash got the boot. I think it's more favorite than racial. But perhaps that's can be an element into booting fessy.
With Fessy admitting he wanted to be the next CT, I feel like what happeend is related to it. Its looking too familiar for me, and Fessy seemed a little OOC at the reunion. He was def putting on a show when discussing what he said about CT. I really do think he's trying to take pages out of the dude's book lol
Josh and Fessy didn't even unfollow each other after that. If someone pushed me to my limit and I end up going home- not them, and losing my chance at like 500k. I would be holding a grudge after I left lol
Fessy pushed Josh after Josh threw something at him
Josh assaulted Fessy for tv time and attention. Fessy retailated before security could intervene which is what Josh thought would happen so he cried cause he got touched. Production disciplined the middle-eastern man because they are racist and let the one they have admitted is their favorite get away with his actions.
Why make the distinction of one's race when they are both POC?
Because society has a history of looking at Middle-Eastern men as dangerous and violent. I think that played a role in him getting kicked off. Had it been CT who shoved him I don't think he would have been booted.
Cory and Nelson shoved each other hard AF during an elimination and neither of them went home for that neither.
IDK I still think the Fessy vs Josh stuff was staged or something lol.
using black man vs black man isnt the best example when Nelson literally got sent home the following season for barely touching derricks face.
Fessy pushed Josh after Josh threw something at him
Josh assaulted Fessy for tv time and attention. Fessy retailated before security could intervene which is what Josh thought would happen so he cried cause he got touched. Production disciplined the middle-eastern man because they are racist and let the one they have admitted is their favorite get away with his actions.
Why make the distinction of one's race when they are both POC?
Because society has a history of looking at Middle-Eastern men as dangerous and violent. I think that played a role in him getting kicked off. Had it been CT who shoved him I don't think he would have been booted.
Cory and Nelson shoved each other hard AF during an elimination and neither of them went home for that neither.
IDK I still think the Fessy vs Josh stuff was staged or something lol.
using black man vs black man isnt the best example when Nelson literally got sent home the following season for barely touching derricks face.
it doesn't take much to make josh cry
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omg not yall thinking im one of their accs pls
Petty reality show drunk arguments does not justify using a slur in response, no matter who the person is.
If you think Camila deserved to be banned for using the N word, then if Ashley did use the F word, she needs to be severely punished too. Period.
Pink caught you in ultra4kHd stop the act lmao
Edit: well I was wrong
he/she isn't one of their accounts
thanks for clearing my name sis <3
You don't get to decide what someone else is allowed to be offended by lol
I am today. #FreeAshley
THIS, its literally not about "outing" someone who isn't "out yet". Its all about INTENT. Her intentions wasn't just to "expose" but to be hateful. Thats literally it. Using sexual orientation to be hateful. Its like using someone's race to be hateful . The problem isn't their race, and the problem isn't being gay/whether or not Josh is gay-the problem is using those identities to be malicious. Its too sensitive of a subject in society to use that identity/label for hate. Because at the end of the day people still get disowned and even killed over sensitive identities such as those things. So using it to be malicious isn't going to be seen okay.
There are other things other castmates have said that also should have gotten them removed before this, but MTV is late with the shits so..
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what did Fessy do that got him DQ'd and not Josh before the Ashley thing?
I remember that being the strategy for CT in rivals 1 loll
Fessy pushed Josh after Josh threw something at him
I smiled
This looks like a p0rn shoot
Josh assaulted Fessy for tv time and attention. Fessy retailated before security could intervene which is what Josh thought would happen so he cried cause he got touched. Production disciplined the middle-eastern man because they are racist and let the one they have admitted is their favorite get away with his actions.
Why make the distinction of one's race when they are both POC?
Because society has a history of looking at Middle-Eastern men as dangerous and violent. I think that played a role in him getting kicked off. Had it been CT who shoved him I don't think he would have been booted.
Probably something she always wanted to do/say and felt like it was her chance/moent. She always wanted to say those things and she was drunk- she spewed her sober thoughts the little "chance" she felt she had to do it.
Cory and Nelson shoved each other hard AF during an elimination and neither of them went home for that neither.
IDK I still think the Fessy vs Josh stuff was staged or something lol.
Valid - but I think it's more than production, for some ludicrous reason, feel Josh is more bankable than Fessy. Cause Ash got the boot. I think it's more favorite than racial. But perhaps that's can be an element into booting fessy.
With Fessy admitting he wanted to be the next CT, I feel like what happeend is related to it. Its looking too familiar for me, and Fessy seemed a little OOC at the reunion. He was def putting on a show when discussing what he said about CT. I really do think he's trying to take pages out of the dude's book lol
Josh and Fessy didn't even unfollow each other after that. If someone pushed me to my limit and I end up going home- not them, and losing my chance at like 500k. I would be holding a grudge after I left lol
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Fessy breathed on Josh I think
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using black man vs black man isnt the best example when Nelson literally got sent home the following season for barely touching derricks face.
Very solid point
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