The Challenge : Spies, Lies and Allies (Spoiler Discussion) - Part 2

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Tori is not a bad competitor but shes is not that good. She's better than the weak competitors but that's it.

Tori is not a bad competitor but shes is not that good. She's better than the weak competitors but that's it.

Then why do all the guys on the show consider her strong and one of the best if not the best each season?   You guys are in denial

Outside of ur physical aspects, Tori is not a great competitor. Y'all are putting her and Kam in the same category and they're honestly not. No this isn't a back & forth, don't respond trying to argue because I don't care.

 

Outside of ur physical aspects, Tori is not a great competitor. Y'all are putting her and Kam in the same category and they're honestly not. No this isn't a back & forth, don't respond trying to argue because I don't care.

Exactly!! Like kam has WAY more than 2 brain cells to rub together and Tori gets outsmarted by a checked out Jenna in an elim of all of people 

Her big move was plotting to get too rookie teams thrown in against each other then not throwing herself in to get CT for the final.  She also got purged in a final during a puzzle and had to bury a log because she couldn't do simple math on high/low.  Let's stop giving credit for nothing.

i mean she basically ran the house politically on WOTW2 (alongside Cara) and on Double Agents on her own, she's one of the best newer girls in eliminations and has only lost to Cara/Marie and Brooke on the CvS spinoff, she had one ******* in the Vendettas final (her rookie season) and other than that has consistently performed above average on anything that involves being physical, thinking and being strategic, like just admit you hate a strong outspoken women of color, canuck!  

tori's most impressive moment is beating jenny in a hall brawl, like literally her last 2 elim losts were against a Jenna who was debating quitting and Aneesa who is so out of shape she can barely walk upstairs

No her big move was keeping the two teams she wanted safe and forcing the house to all burn vote on each other so that only her vote counts. **** but maybe ur too dense to understand that.

 

Tori is not a bad competitor but shes is not that good. She's better than the weak competitors but that's it.

Then why do all the guys on the show consider her strong and one of the best if not the best each season?   You guys are in denial

bc physically she is one of the stronger girls, mentally she's not but someone like CT whos well rounded knows if theyre partnered with her they can handle all the thinking and things that require a brain and Victoria can just run alongside them

 

Tori is not a bad competitor but shes is not that good. She's better than the weak competitors but that's it.

Then why do all the guys on the show consider her strong and one of the best if not the best each season?   You guys are in denial

They consider her strong in the gym, that doesnt always translate to dailies and finals as we have seen.

No her big move was keeping the two teams she wanted safe and forcing the house to all burn vote on each other so that only her vote counts. **** but maybe ur too dense to understand that.

Tori is coming dead last in the final

 

Outside of ur physical aspects, Tori is not a great competitor. Y'all are putting her and Kam in the same category and they're honestly not. No this isn't a back & forth, don't respond trying to argue because I don't care.

Then don't make the comment.  You're wrong but you're used to that.

Kvm, I'm not these other vevmo people. You can't gaslight me into arguing with you because I don't care enough to argue about a show that I'm not apart of. You're in your 40s, your time to be on this show has passed, and I'm not used to being wrong, but I can tell your "wife" is because she chose to get married to you AND have kids with you. Biggest mistake anyone could ever make. This is all you're getting from me, take care. 

i mean she basically ran the house politically on WOTW2 (alongside Cara) and on Double Agents on her own, she's one of the best newer girls in eliminations and has only lost to Cara/Marie and Brooke on the CvS spinoff, she had one ******* in the Vendettas final (her rookie season) and other than that has consistently performed above average on anything that involves being physical, thinking and being strategic, like just admit you hate a strong outspoken women of color, canuck!  

tori's most impressive moment is beating jenny in a hall brawl, like literally her last 2 elim losts were against a Jenna who was debating quitting and Aneesa who is so out of shape she can barely walk upstairs

She didn't run anything on WOTW2--she was the sidekick.  She played a safe game on Double Agents which is why she didn't win.  She also didn't control when she went in on Double Agents to get her skull.  I love Coral why would I dislike Kam for that?

Tori beating Jenny is far more impressive than any win Kam has.  Jenna didn't quit though, did she?  And yes she had a bad loss to Aneesa.  Doesn't change anything.  The guys love Tori as a partner.  They both have 3 finals and have had similar results.  

 

Outside of ur physical aspects, Tori is not a great competitor. Y'all are putting her and Kam in the same category and they're honestly not. No this isn't a back & forth, don't respond trying to argue because I don't care.

Then don't make the comment.  You're wrong but you're used to that.

Kvm, I'm not these other vevmo people. You can't gaslight me into arguing with you because I don't care enough to argue about a show that I'm not apart of. You're in your 40s, your time to be on this show has passed, and I'm not used to being wrong, but I can tell your "wife" is because she chose to get married to you AND have kids with you. Biggest mistake anyone could ever make. This is all you're getting from me, take care. 

Did you respond?

No her big move was keeping the two teams she wanted safe and forcing the house to all burn vote on each other so that only her vote counts. **** but maybe ur too dense to understand that.

This is so stupid.  Then why didn't she vote in John/Tony or a real threat instead of the rookies.  As always Kam plays a safe game.  The only time she didn't was as a rookie when she took orders to use the generades on Cara.  Kam's great--as is Tori--but you guys greatly overreated Kam's gameplay because you like her--just like you underrate Tori because you don't like her.

Only her voted counted (agreed) and she did nothing with it--a great idea still has to be executed properly or it's meaningless.

Outside of physical aspects, when has Tori proven to be "great". We'll wait for it. 

**** tori beating jenny is more impressive than anything kam has done .... but kam herself has beat tori so thats a little weird.

Kam beating tori was more impressive than tori beating Jenny who didn't know How to play hall brawl

Outside of physical aspects, when has Tori proven to be "great". We'll wait for it. 

XXX puzzle to reach the final--we can start there.  Or her gameplay on XXX as a rookie.

tori doesnt have gameplay. Her best gameplay was playing both sides on her first season.

I love how youres super critical of Kams gameplay but tori has done NOTHING like Kam. NOTHING.

 

i mean she basically ran the house politically on WOTW2 (alongside Cara) and on Double Agents on her own, she's one of the best newer girls in eliminations and has only lost to Cara/Marie and Brooke on the CvS spinoff, she had one ******* in the Vendettas final (her rookie season) and other than that has consistently performed above average on anything that involves being physical, thinking and being strategic, like just admit you hate a strong outspoken women of color, canuck!  

tori's most impressive moment is beating jenny in a hall brawl, like literally her last 2 elim losts were against a Jenna who was debating quitting and Aneesa who is so out of shape she can barely walk upstairs

She didn't run anything on WOTW2--she was the sidekick.  She played a safe game on Double Agents which is why she didn't win.  She also didn't control when she went in on Double Agents to get her skull.  I love Coral why would I dislike Kam for that?

Tori beating Jenny is far more impressive than any win Kam has.  Jenna didn't quit though, did she?  And yes she had a bad loss to Aneesa.  Doesn't change anything.  The guys love Tori as a partner.  They both have 3 finals and have had similar results.  

lmaooo her beating jenny really wasnt that impressive when you look at anything other than them being the same size, Tori had been on multiple seasons and seen many physical elims whereas Jenny was a timid rookie who had never seen a hall brawl before and would not have had the strategy others would 

i really dont get why you ride so hard for tori of all people other than you just love arguing about anything and taking the view opposite of everyone else, its the same old story with you, if everyone here started hating on say Kam out of nowhere you would become her biggest fan 

**** tori beating jenny is more impressive than anything kam has done .... but kam herself has beat tori so thats a little weird.

Kam beating Tori when Tori had nothing to fight for other than pride.  Also, Jenny > Tori 

tori doesnt have gameplay. Her best gameplay was playing both sides on her first season.

I love how youres super critical of Kams gameplay but tori has done NOTHING like Kam. NOTHING.

toris only gameplay is sucking every guy in the house off

tori doesnt have gameplay. Her best gameplay was playing both sides on her first season.

I love how youres super critical of Kams gameplay but tori has done NOTHING like Kam. NOTHING.

Tori's gameplay in XXX is better than any game play from Kam.  Kam has great ideas but never executes them

You're all arguing in vain, Tori and Kam are two main female rookies, starting with Dirty Thirties, love them or not, they've already made 3 finals, won impressive eliminations, have a huge following. Neither Tori nor Kam failed in either  one of their finals, and I don't even understand what you mean by failure? The real failures are Jay (Jenna's partner), Cara and Paulie in WOTW2, etc. in the finals.

i mean she basically ran the house politically on WOTW2 (alongside Cara) and on Double Agents on her own, she's one of the best newer girls in eliminations and has only lost to Cara/Marie and Brooke on the CvS spinoff, she had one ******* in the Vendettas final (her rookie season) and other than that has consistently performed above average on anything that involves being physical, thinking and being strategic, like just admit you hate a strong outspoken women of color, canuck!  

tori's most impressive moment is beating jenny in a hall brawl, like literally her last 2 elim losts were against a Jenna who was debating quitting and Aneesa who is so out of shape she can barely walk upstairs

She didn't run anything on WOTW2--she was the sidekick.  She played a safe game on Double Agents which is why she didn't win.  She also didn't control when she went in on Double Agents to get her skull.  I love Coral why would I dislike Kam for that?

Tori beating Jenny is far more impressive than any win Kam has.  Jenna didn't quit though, did she?  And yes she had a bad loss to Aneesa.  Doesn't change anything.  The guys love Tori as a partner.  They both have 3 finals and have had similar results.  

lmaooo her beating jenny really wasnt that impressive when you look at anything other than them being the same size, Tori had been on multiple seasons and seen many physical elims whereas Jenny was a timid rookie who had never seen a hall brawl before and would not have had the strategy others would 

i really dont get why you ride so hard for tori of all people other than you just love arguing about anything and taking the view opposite of everyone else, its the same old story with you, if everyone here started hating on say Kam out of nowhere you would become her biggest fan 

False, I'd continue saying the exact same things about Kam.  High/Low stupidity, purged on a puzzle, great ideas but doesn't execute properly time and time again.

 

tori doesnt have gameplay. Her best gameplay was playing both sides on her first season.

I love how youres super critical of Kams gameplay but tori has done NOTHING like Kam. NOTHING.

Tori's gameplay in XXX is better than any game play from Kam.  Kam has great ideas but never executes them

This makes zero sense.

 

Outside of physical aspects, when has Tori proven to be "great". We'll wait for it. 

XXX puzzle to reach the final--we can start there.  Or her gameplay on XXX as a rookie.

Even if she was great on Dirty 30, her gameplay since then has deteriorated. You're basing everything off of Dirty 30 as if she hasn't been on seasons post Dirty 30 lol. Also, didn't she have a partner in Jordan for that puzzle? She didn't have any gameplay on Dirty 30. Wasn't nobody checking for Tori, the most she did was cheat on her boyfriend. On a real note, folks was more threatened by Britni than they were of Tori, Tori got forgotten in the mix of Jailah vs Cara & Camila. 

You're all arguing in vain, Tori and Kam are two main female rookies, starting with Dirty Thirties, love them or not, they've already made 3 finals, won impressive eliminations, have a huge following. Neither Tori nor Kam failed in either  one of their finals, and I don't even understand what you mean by failure? The real failures are Jay (Jenna's partner), Cara and Paulie in WOTW2, etc. in the finals.

Right yet somehow this started because I said that Tori & Kam are great competitors and will likely eventually win if they keep going.  This is the problem with this board--they blindly hate Tori so they attack for absolutely no reason.

tori doesnt have gameplay. Her best gameplay was playing both sides on her first season.

I love how youres super critical of Kams gameplay but tori has done NOTHING like Kam. NOTHING.

Tori's gameplay in XXX is better than any game play from Kam.  Kam has great ideas but never executes them

This makes zero sense.

Great idea to control the votes then throws in the rookies instead of making a big move

Didn't throw herself in against a weak opponent last season to get paired with CT--very simple

Outside of physical aspects, when has Tori proven to be "great". We'll wait for it. 

XXX puzzle to reach the final--we can start there.  Or her gameplay on XXX as a rookie.

Even if she was great on Dirty 30, her gameplay since then has deteriorated. You're basing everything off of Dirty 30 as if she hasn't been on seasons post Dirty 30 lol. Also, didn't she have a partner in Jordan for that puzzle? She didn't have any gameplay on Dirty 30. Wasn't nobody checking for Tori, the most she did was cheat on her boyfriend. On a real note, folks was more threatened by Britni than they were of Tori, Tori got forgotten in the mix of Jailah vs Cara & Camila. 

Jordan didn't help her with the puzzle--it was individual.  She had to tell him he was missing a piece so he could beat Derrick.  You;re predictably wrong.

And what does cheating on her boyfriend have to do with this?

Tori & Kam are not in the same boat and I don't even like Kam. I can agree that some of her moves are questionable, but they are Atleast HER moves and showing that she has power. Kam is a shoo-in for the final whenever she pops up, and atleast Kam can always make it mid-game. Tori either makes the final and flops, or is one of the first few boots. Non-comparable. 

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