shboogies wrote:I’m in shock that someone was arguing that Wes ISNT a good player I-
Wes had good and bad political moments. The first Fresh Meat was a disaster. The Duel he convinced Evan to do his dirty work or at least try to do it so A+. He was a disaster on The Ruins. FM2 and Rivals were a mixed bag. He didn't have any chance on Seasons. Rivals 2 was a lay-up for him. Exes 2 was good but a twist screwed him. Haven't watched Rivals 3. Wes isn't the "elite" strategist people make him out to be but he's very good. There's definitely been better over the years.
I wouldn't put him in the Landon/Alton/Darrell category but I certainly think he's top tier. He has his strengths and his weaknesses, but I like that he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty and go against the grain, and I find it refreshing that he seemingly knows to take breaks. He's been in a lot of battles and also manipulated his way out of others. He also doesn't have the same cast of shadows/grunts that Bananas always runs with.
I think he’s a top 10 guy all time he has weaknesses but a lot of great players have weaknesses I also feel like he got really unlucky with Rivals and Exes 2 he could have 4 wins by now but things happen
Just curious, but what continues to make her an "underdog" at this point? She's won 2 finals. She does well in eliminations. She has friends and alliances in the houses. She's got the Vet tenure thing going for her.. I get rooting for an underdog, but I guess for me she's well past it. IMO, she just overplays a role she can no longer claim. And this whole female empowerment story-arc feels really contrived.I also think the reason why many people may not place her in the same league as Laurel or Evelyn or Emily is the fact that her gameplay is different. Laurel and Evelyn weren't afraid to call people out or go into elimination. They beasted when they were expected to. Evelyn really didn't care if the whole house was against her. Cara's gameplay is different and a little more subdued, though it makes sense to not want to go into elimination. She is such a seasoned Vet though, that I would expect her to call people out by way of elimination. She competes in isolation from others.I'm hoping this new round of girls can hold their own and bring in new storylines...
Emily and Paula were begging/crying to Jordan and marlon on rivals 2 to not see an elimination lmao.
Touche on Emily, but that's why I didn't mention her on calling people out.
Cara isn't an all-time elite but there aren't many quality female competitors that show up these days. I'm hope Ninja and Mattie change that.
Yes. I would put Cara as top tier certainly, but not ncessarily elite. She looks elite based on a lot of the elite names not competing anymore, but I think she's consistently above average and that alone deserves respect. I wish she would take a season off or two.
shboogies wrote:I’m in shock that someone was arguing that Wes ISNT a good player I-
Wes had good and bad political moments. The first Fresh Meat was a disaster. The Duel he convinced Evan to do his dirty work or at least try to do it so A+. He was a disaster on The Ruins. FM2 and Rivals were a mixed bag. He didn't have any chance on Seasons. Rivals 2 was a lay-up for him. Exes 2 was good but a twist screwed him. Haven't watched Rivals 3. Wes isn't the "elite" strategist people make him out to be but he's very good. There's definitely been better over the years.
I wouldn't put him in the Landon/Alton/Darrell category but I certainly think he's top tier. He has his strengths and his weaknesses, but I like that he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty and go against the grain, and I find it refreshing that he seemingly knows to take breaks. He's been in a lot of battles and also manipulated his way out of others. He also doesn't have the same cast of shadows/grunts that Bananas always runs with.
I like Wes as a character and he's a solid at worst compettitor. I just don't consider him "elite".
Debut reference him as top 10 but I think that's very debatable. Landon, Darrell, Alton, CT, Abram, JEK, Mark, Timmy, Dan S, Frank S, Theo V, maybe Jamie Murray are all in that mix. I think of Wes similarly to Brad & Derrick. Which definitely isn't a bad thing. I wouldn't argue with someone for saying Wes is top 10 I'm just not convinced.
PinkRose wrote:So when the trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team
So the ****** could have picked Paulie but chose Natalie instead I see.
Why would you put yourself against 2 really strong teams at once?
Yeah, interesting move. I feel like that would be a move for Fanboy Paulie to do because he think it would make him look epic, but Kyle strikes me as the kind of guy who tries to avoid proving himself or taking any challenging path. I don't know anything about Mattie, but maybe she had the balls to call the shots?
*Edited: Natalie called him out? Maybe she thought she could beat Liz/Julia?
I still think the majority of the newbie cast is atrocious. I thank the twins for getting out early but they are still wastes of space; especially since Kailah is not on this season.
I still think the majority of the newbie cast is atrocious. I thank the twins for getting out early but they are still wastes of space; especially since Kailah is not on this season.
I think he’s a top 10 guy all time he has weaknesses but a lot of great players have weaknesses I also feel like he got really unlucky with Rivals and Exes 2 he could have 4 wins by now but things happen
Touche on Emily, but that's why I didn't mention her on calling people out.
Agree
I like Wes as a character and he's a solid at worst compettitor. I just don't consider him "elite".
Debut reference him as top 10 but I think that's very debatable. Landon, Darrell, Alton, CT, Abram, JEK, Mark, Timmy, Dan S, Frank S, Theo V, maybe Jamie Murray are all in that mix. I think of Wes similarly to Brad & Derrick. Which definitely isn't a bad thing. I wouldn't argue with someone for saying Wes is top 10 I'm just not convinced.
So when the trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team
So the ****** could have picked Paulie but chose Natalie instead I see.
Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?
Why would you put yourself against 2 really strong teams at once?
yeah, sorry PR if I'm being dense, but I need a proper noun here.
Cara isn’t elite but she’s top tier and close to it
And that’s only because she’s done a dozen seasons, she became better in the mid-later half of her career
Natalie's team chose CT team after Kyle chose her team.
Yeah, interesting move. I feel like that would be a move for Fanboy Paulie to do because he think it would make him look epic, but Kyle strikes me as the kind of guy who tries to avoid proving himself or taking any challenging path. I don't know anything about Mattie, but maybe she had the balls to call the shots?
*Edited: Natalie called him out? Maybe she thought she could beat Liz/Julia?
Makes sense she chose Julia considering the beef with James
I'm interested to see how Julia will act on the challenge lol
Kyle is so lame not picking Paulie and Ninja when he had the chance. Scary ***
I still think the majority of the newbie cast is atrocious. I thank the twins for getting out early but they are still wastes of space; especially since Kailah is not on this season.
Doesn't seem "smart" or "strategic"
huh. wonder what the motive there was. I guess she just really hates Julia. Or maybe wanted CT to **** up Kyle?
wonder why not Zach's team.
Thank you Natalie for calling out CT so we dont have to watch him for more than 5 episodes.
Interesting. Surprised Natalie would choose CT
At least Natalie learned her lesson this time and didn’t pick Kam
Queen Natalie playing a part in getting one of the major vets out >>>>
she knows better now
Female rookies are bringing the competition we needed that badly
Natalie hates the Nolans still confirmed.
Queen Natalie making sure we don't have a full season of CT.
UGH her mind! We stan (1) flop!
I wonder how they'll explain that on the show.
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