The Challenge: War of The Worlds Discussion - (Spoilers Part 2)

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kvm1977 wrote:

shboogies wrote:I’m in shock that someone was arguing that Wes ISNT a good player I-

Wes had good and bad political moments.   The first Fresh Meat was a disaster.   The Duel he convinced Evan to do his dirty work or at least try to do it so A+.  He was a disaster on The Ruins.  FM2 and Rivals were a mixed bag.  He didn't have any chance on Seasons.  Rivals 2 was a lay-up for him.  Exes 2 was good but a twist screwed him.  Haven't watched Rivals 3.  Wes isn't the "elite" strategist people make him out to be but he's very good.  There's definitely been better over the years.   

I wouldn't put him in the Landon/Alton/Darrell category but I certainly think he's top tier. He has his strengths and his weaknesses, but I like that he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty and go against the grain, and I find it refreshing that he seemingly knows to take breaks. He's been in a lot of battles and also manipulated his way out of others. He also doesn't have the same cast of shadows/grunts that Bananas always runs with. 

I think he’s a top 10 guy all time he has weaknesses but a lot of great players have weaknesses I also feel like he got really unlucky with Rivals and Exes 2 he could have 4 wins by now but things happen  

NOLA_2000_Fan wrote:

Just curious, but what continues to make her an "underdog" at this point? She's won 2 finals. She does well in eliminations. She has friends and alliances in the houses. She's got the Vet tenure thing going for her.. I get rooting for an underdog, but I guess for me she's well past it. IMO, she just overplays a role she can no longer claim. And this whole female empowerment story-arc feels really contrived.I also think the reason why many people may not place her in the same league as Laurel or Evelyn or Emily is the fact that her gameplay is different. Laurel and Evelyn weren't afraid to call people out or go into elimination. They beasted when they were expected to. Evelyn really didn't care if the whole house was against her. Cara's gameplay is different and a little more subdued, though it makes sense to not want to go into elimination. She is such a seasoned Vet though, that I would expect her to call people out by way of elimination. She competes in isolation from others.I'm hoping this new round of girls can hold their own and bring in new storylines... 

Emily and Paula were begging/crying to Jordan and marlon on rivals 2 to not see an elimination lmao. 

 

Touche on Emily, but that's why I didn't mention her on calling people out.

kvm1977 wrote:

Cara isn't an all-time elite but there aren't many quality female competitors that show up these days.   I'm hope Ninja and Mattie change that.

Yes. I would put Cara as top tier certainly, but not ncessarily elite. She looks elite based on a lot of the elite names not competing anymore, but I think she's consistently above average and that alone deserves respect. I wish she would take a season off or two. 

Agree Smile

kvm1977 wrote:

shboogies wrote:I’m in shock that someone was arguing that Wes ISNT a good player I-

Wes had good and bad political moments.   The first Fresh Meat was a disaster.   The Duel he convinced Evan to do his dirty work or at least try to do it so A+.  He was a disaster on The Ruins.  FM2 and Rivals were a mixed bag.  He didn't have any chance on Seasons.  Rivals 2 was a lay-up for him.  Exes 2 was good but a twist screwed him.  Haven't watched Rivals 3.  Wes isn't the "elite" strategist people make him out to be but he's very good.  There's definitely been better over the years.   

I wouldn't put him in the Landon/Alton/Darrell category but I certainly think he's top tier. He has his strengths and his weaknesses, but I like that he isn't afraid to get his hands dirty and go against the grain, and I find it refreshing that he seemingly knows to take breaks. He's been in a lot of battles and also manipulated his way out of others. He also doesn't have the same cast of shadows/grunts that Bananas always runs with. 

I like Wes as a character and he's a solid at worst compettitor.  I just don't consider him "elite".  

Debut reference him as top 10 but I think that's very debatable.  Landon, Darrell, Alton, CT, Abram, JEK, Mark, Timmy, Dan S, Frank S, Theo V, maybe Jamie Murray are all in that mix.   I think of Wes similarly to Brad & Derrick.   Which definitely isn't a bad thing.  I wouldn't argue with someone for saying Wes is top 10 I'm just not convinced.

So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

So the ****** could have picked Paulie but chose Natalie instead I see.

So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?

PinkRose wrote:

So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

So the ****** could have picked Paulie but chose Natalie instead I see.

Why would you put yourself against 2 really strong teams at once?

PinkRose wrote:

So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?

yeah, sorry PR if I'm being dense, but I need a proper noun here. 

QueenRamos wrote:

PinkRose wrote:So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

So the ****** could have picked Paulie but chose Natalie instead I see.

Why would you put yourself against 2 really strong teams at once?

Cara isn’t elite but she’s top tier and close to it

And that’s only because she’s done a dozen seasons, she became better in the mid-later half of her career

PinkRose wrote:

So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?

Natalie's team chose CT team after Kyle chose her team.

shboogies wrote:

QueenRamos wrote:

PinkRose wrote:So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

So the ****** could have picked Paulie but chose Natalie instead I see.

Why would you put yourself against 2 really strong teams at once?

 

Yeah, interesting move. I feel like that would be a move for Fanboy Paulie to do because he think it would make him look epic, but Kyle strikes me as the kind of guy who tries to avoid proving himself or taking any challenging path. I don't know anything about Mattie, but maybe she had the balls to call the shots?

*Edited: Natalie called him out? Maybe she thought she could beat Liz/Julia?

Eddie1378 wrote:

PinkRose wrote:So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?

Natalie's team chose CT team after Kyle chose her team.

Makes sense she chose Julia considering the beef with James 

I'm interested to see how Julia will act on the challenge lol

Kyle is so lame not picking Paulie and Ninja when he had the chance. Scary *** Lol

I still think the majority of the newbie cast is atrocious. I thank the twins for getting out early but they are still wastes of space; especially since Kailah is not on this season.

Eddie1378 wrote:

PinkRose wrote:So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?

Natalie's team chose CT team after Kyle chose her team.

Doesn't seem "smart" or "strategic"

Kyle is so lame not picking Paulie and Ninja when he had the chance. Scary *** Lol

Eddie1378 wrote:

PinkRose wrote:So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?

Natalie's team chose CT team after Kyle chose her team.

huh. wonder what the motive there was. I guess she just really hates Julia. Or maybe wanted CT to **** up Kyle? 

 

wonder why not Zach's team. 

Thank you Natalie for calling out CT so we dont have to watch him for more than 5 episodes.

Eddie1378 wrote:

PinkRose wrote:So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?

Natalie's team chose CT team after Kyle chose her team.

Interesting. Surprised Natalie would choose CT

At least Natalie learned her lesson this time and didn’t pick Kam

Queen Natalie playing a part in getting one of the major vets out >>>>

At least Natalie learned her lesson this time and didn’t pick Kam

she knows better now 

Female rookies  are bringing the competition we needed that badly 

Eddie1378 wrote:

PinkRose wrote:So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?

Natalie's team chose CT team after Kyle chose her team.

Natalie hates the Nolans still confirmed.

Queen Natalie making sure we don't have a full season of CT.

UGH her mind! We stan (1) flop!

I still think the majority of the newbie cast is atrocious. I thank the twins for getting out early but they are still wastes of space; especially since Kailah is not on this season.

PinkRose wrote:

Eddie1378 wrote:

PinkRose wrote:So when the  trio elimination happenned Kyle team chose Natalie team than then chose CT team

Natalie chose CT team or Kyle chose CT team?

Natalie's team chose CT team after Kyle chose her team.

Natalie hates the Nolans still confirmed.

I wonder how they'll explain that on the show. 

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