The Challenge: Final Reckoning (Spoilers Discussion)

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Challenge 17 wrote:

And this season isn't sexist? Really? Who do you think is gonna have an easier time digging out their partner, Brad, Bananas Nelson,  or Kam Angela Cara 

dude its a show about physical challenges they can't make everything catered to women or no one would watch. BUT A WOMAN JUST WON SO IT CANT BE THAT BAD. not everything is a digging competition 

the only challenge on Vendettas where men didn't have a clear advantage, was the hashtag challenge.  The first challenge being a digging challenge/purge, MTV knew they were getting rid of a lot of girls early. 

FloatingLuggage wrote:

Challenge 17 wrote:And this season isn't sexist? Really? Who do you think is gonna have an easier time digging out their partner, Brad, Bananas Nelson,  or Kam Angela Cara 

dude its a show about physical challenges they can't make everything catered to women or no one would watch. BUT A WOMAN JUST WON SO IT CANT BE THAT BAD. not everything is a digging competition 

the only challenge on Vendettas where men didn't have a clear advantage, was the hashtag challenge.  The first challenge being a digging challenge/purge, MTV knew they were getting rid of a lot of girls early. 

and yet again your argument sucks because a woman just won $400,000

FloatingLuggage wrote:

Challenge 17 wrote:Wow someone actually believes that a woman winner made vendettas not sexist. What's next the challenge can't be racist, Darrell won 5 times. 

vendettas wasn't set up to be sexist, its women being pushovers thats the problem. men are just better at manipulating the game. 

Cara and Nicole went the whole season without getting sent into elimination. Women are good at manipulating the game too, they just did it without being in the Troika themselves. And that is annoying, because then MTV spends all their time on the guys making decisions. 

I kind of doubt Devin and Cory will win their way in 

So let me get this straight...

Redemption 1: (4 teams) Paulie/Nat pull XX > send Jenna/Jemmye & Chuck/Britni home > save Jozea/Day > lose to Jozea/Day > Paulie/Nat stay in Redemption > Jozea/Day return to the game.

Redemption 2: (6 teams after Ashley/Hunter) Kam/Kayleigh pull XX > send Tori/Derrick, CT/Veronica, & Angela/Faith home > save Paulie/Nat > lose to Paulie/Nat >  lose to Ashley/Hunter? > Paulie/Nat return to the game > Ashley/Hunter get to join the game > Kam/Kayleigh stay in Redemption

Almost seems like there had to be a triple elimination after Kam/Kayleigh saved Nat/Paulie and they brought in the mercenaries.

Debut Album wrote:

FloatingLuggage wrote:

Challenge 17 wrote:Wow someone actually believes that a woman winner made vendettas not sexist. What's next the challenge can't be racist, Darrell won 5 times. 

vendettas wasn't set up to be sexist, its women being pushovers thats the problem. men are just better at manipulating the game. 

Cara and Nicole went the whole season without getting sent into elimination. Women are good at manipulating the game too, they just did it without being in the Troika themselves. And that is annoying, because then MTV spends all their time on the guys making decisions. 

Okay. But on any given season who is more likely to be in charge. Men or Women?

Plus. Noone said they couldn't manipulate the game AT ALL. Just that men do it better.  

natfan42 wrote:

FloatingLuggage wrote:

Challenge 17 wrote:And this season isn't sexist? Really? Who do you think is gonna have an easier time digging out their partner, Brad, Bananas Nelson,  or Kam Angela Cara 

dude its a show about physical challenges they can't make everything catered to women or no one would watch. BUT A WOMAN JUST WON SO IT CANT BE THAT BAD. not everything is a digging competition 

the only challenge on Vendettas where men didn't have a clear advantage, was the hashtag challenge.  The first challenge being a digging challenge/purge, MTV knew they were getting rid of a lot of girls early. 

and yet again your argument sucks because a woman just won $400,000

cool, so a woman managed to win the puzzle at the end. that doesn't change the fact that MTV set up a season to be dominated by  my men. 

natfan42 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:

FloatingLuggage wrote:
Challenge 17 wrote:Wow someone actually believes that a woman winner made vendettas not sexist. What's next the challenge can't be racist, Darrell won 5 times. 

vendettas wasn't set up to be sexist, its women being pushovers thats the problem. men are just better at manipulating the game. 

Cara and Nicole went the whole season without getting sent into elimination. Women are good at manipulating the game too, they just did it without being in the Troika themselves. And that is annoying, because then MTV spends all their time on the guys making decisions. 

Okay. But on any given season who is more likely to be in charge. Men or Women?

The men will be in the positions of power (especially with the Troika format or other similar styles of format), the girls have to use their relationships with the guys to keep themselves safe. 

Debut Album wrote:

natfan42 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:
FloatingLuggage wrote:
Challenge 17 wrote:Wow someone actually believes that a woman winner made vendettas not sexist. What's next the challenge can't be racist, Darrell won 5 times. 

vendettas wasn't set up to be sexist, its women being pushovers thats the problem. men are just better at manipulating the game. 

Cara and Nicole went the whole season without getting sent into elimination. Women are good at manipulating the game too, they just did it without being in the Troika themselves. And that is annoying, because then MTV spends all their time on the guys making decisions. 

Okay. But on any given season who is more likely to be in charge. Men or Women?

The men will be in the positions of power (especially with the Troika format or other similar styles of format), the girls have to use their relationships with the guys to keep themselves safe. 

But that's not manipualtion. That's just basic gameplay. Doesn't count.

2 more mercenaries leaving today ☕️

Theresa and Nany Please and Thank You.

natfan42 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:

natfan42 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
FloatingLuggage wrote:
Challenge 17 wrote:Wow someone actually believes that a woman winner made vendettas not sexist. What's next the challenge can't be racist, Darrell won 5 times. 

vendettas wasn't set up to be sexist, its women being pushovers thats the problem. men are just better at manipulating the game. 

Cara and Nicole went the whole season without getting sent into elimination. Women are good at manipulating the game too, they just did it without being in the Troika themselves. And that is annoying, because then MTV spends all their time on the guys making decisions. 

Okay. But on any given season who is more likely to be in charge. Men or Women?

The men will be in the positions of power (especially with the Troika format or other similar styles of format), the girls have to use their relationships with the guys to keep themselves safe. 

But that's not manipualtion. That's just basic gameplay. Doesn't count.

did we just become best friends? 

gamer73 wrote:

2 more mercenaries leaving today ☕️

Jordan and Frank Please and Thank You.

natfan42 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:

natfan42 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
FloatingLuggage wrote:
Challenge 17 wrote:Wow someone actually believes that a woman winner made vendettas not sexist. What's next the challenge can't be racist, Darrell won 5 times. 

vendettas wasn't set up to be sexist, its women being pushovers thats the problem. men are just better at manipulating the game. 

Cara and Nicole went the whole season without getting sent into elimination. Women are good at manipulating the game too, they just did it without being in the Troika themselves. And that is annoying, because then MTV spends all their time on the guys making decisions. 

Okay. But on any given season who is more likely to be in charge. Men or Women?

The men will be in the positions of power (especially with the Troika format or other similar styles of format), the girls have to use their relationships with the guys to keep themselves safe. 

But that's not manipualtion. That's just basic gameplay. Doesn't count.

not sure what the distinction you're making is. gameplay = manipulation imo. The girls and guys just play different types of games, especially with the Troika like format. 

Debut Album wrote:

natfan42 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:
natfan42 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
FloatingLuggage wrote:
Challenge 17 wrote:Wow someone actually believes that a woman winner made vendettas not sexist. What's next the challenge can't be racist, Darrell won 5 times. 

vendettas wasn't set up to be sexist, its women being pushovers thats the problem. men are just better at manipulating the game. 

Cara and Nicole went the whole season without getting sent into elimination. Women are good at manipulating the game too, they just did it without being in the Troika themselves. And that is annoying, because then MTV spends all their time on the guys making decisions. 

Okay. But on any given season who is more likely to be in charge. Men or Women?

The men will be in the positions of power (especially with the Troika format or other similar styles of format), the girls have to use their relationships with the guys to keep themselves safe. 

But that's not manipualtion. That's just basic gameplay. Doesn't count.

did we just become best friends? 

Um...IDK?

Debut Album wrote:

natfan42 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:
natfan42 wrote:
Debut Album wrote:
FloatingLuggage wrote:
Challenge 17 wrote:Wow someone actually believes that a woman winner made vendettas not sexist. What's next the challenge can't be racist, Darrell won 5 times. 

vendettas wasn't set up to be sexist, its women being pushovers thats the problem. men are just better at manipulating the game. 

Cara and Nicole went the whole season without getting sent into elimination. Women are good at manipulating the game too, they just did it without being in the Troika themselves. And that is annoying, because then MTV spends all their time on the guys making decisions. 

Okay. But on any given season who is more likely to be in charge. Men or Women?

The men will be in the positions of power (especially with the Troika format or other similar styles of format), the girls have to use their relationships with the guys to keep themselves safe. 

But that's not manipualtion. That's just basic gameplay. Doesn't count.

not sure what the distinction you're making is. gameplay = manipulation imo. The girls and guys just play different types of games, especially with the Troika like format. 

Yeah. Not all gameplay is manipulation IMO. The Girls do manipulate but not as good as the men. They'd be in control alot more if that was the case.

Hahha, this made me laugh and curious about why they would blur her face out too. They could of easily cropped her out of the photo instead of being so weird. 

I am getting the deeling that the "mercenaries" are facing ppl in eliminations not redemption

Tony/Bananas vs Devin/Cory

If this doesnt happen, i am going to be dissapointed.

FloatingLuggage wrote:

Challenge 17 wrote:And this season isn't sexist? Really? Who do you think is gonna have an easier time digging out their partner, Brad, Bananas Nelson,  or Kam Angela Cara 

dude its a show about physical challenges they can't make everything catered to women or no one would watch. BUT A WOMAN JUST WON SO IT CANT BE THAT BAD. not everything is a digging competition 

the only challenge on Vendettas where men didn't have a clear advantage, was the hashtag challenge.  The first challenge being a digging challenge/purge, MTV knew they were getting rid of a lot of girls early. 

By the a woman won so it can't be sexist logic, Camila ****** Cory,  a black guy so she's not racist. 

And this season isn't sexist? Really? Who do you think is gonna have an easier time digging out their partner, Brad, Bananas Nelson,  or Kam Angela Cara 

Challenge 17 wrote:

And this season isn't sexist? Really? Who do you think is gonna have an easier time digging out their partner, Brad, Bananas Nelson,  or Kam Angela Cara 

dude its a show about physical challenges they can't make everything catered to women or no one would watch. BUT A WOMAN JUST WON SO IT CANT BE THAT BAD. not everything is a digging competition 

It doesn't have to be catered to women lol, do you watch Survivor?

I am getting the deeling that the "mercenaries" are facing ppl in eliminations not redemption

Yikes 

So if it was   Male and female the first time, two males this time, can we assume two females for a last set of mercenaries?

FloatingLuggage wrote:

Challenge 17 wrote:And this season isn't sexist? Really? Who do you think is gonna have an easier time digging out their partner, Brad, Bananas Nelson,  or Kam Angela Cara 

dude its a show about physical challenges they can't make everything catered to women or no one would watch. BUT A WOMAN JUST WON SO IT CANT BE THAT BAD. not everything is a digging competition 

It doesn't have to be catered to women lol, do you watch Survivor?

This isn't survivor

I don't mind the right to stay challenges and I've come to accept a purge that sends 2 people of each gender home, but that in itself is confusing enough. They shouldn't do any more twists than that. It's getting too messy.

natfan42 wrote:

Debut Album wrote:

FloatingLuggage wrote:
Challenge 17 wrote:Wow someone actually believes that a woman winner made vendettas not sexist. What's next the challenge can't be racist, Darrell won 5 times. 

vendettas wasn't set up to be sexist, its women being pushovers thats the problem. men are just better at manipulating the game. 

Cara and Nicole went the whole season without getting sent into elimination. Women are good at manipulating the game too, they just did it without being in the Troika themselves. And that is annoying, because then MTV spends all their time on the guys making decisions. 

Okay. But on any given season who is more likely to be in charge. Men or Women?Plus. Noone said they couldn't manipulate the game AT ALL. Just that men do it better.  

Yikes. When the format lends itself to the bigger and more athletic players, of course men will "do it better". They were given a leg up on the women before the show even started. It's not a matter of "manipulating the game". When the format, the editing and the vast majority of viewers are in favour of the guys, there's no conversation to be had on whose gameplay is better, because gameplay isn't even a factor at that point. The women have to scrape and claw their way to the top every time. And when they happen to make game moves, it's either edited out (like with Marie this past season) or edited to make them look like snakes (like with Sarah and Cara) whereas guys get edits like Tony for doing **** all.  

 

 

Please tell me the if you lose in redemption you stay in redemption bullshit from a while ago was just a rumor 

By the a woman won so it can't be sexist logic, Camila ****** Cory,  a black guy so she's not racist. 

 

horrible anaology. Camila is an uneducated drunk mess. MTV set up a final that made it even for a man or woman to win. some of the men on the show may be sexist but not the show itself. THEY CASTED MORE WOMAN THAN MAN. jesus christ what more favorable things for woman do they need to do?

I gotta say that Sylvia/Joss and Ashley/Hunter seem like the overall best duos. I only see a co-ed pair winning this season, and I'm positive one of those teams will win.

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