I'm taking ANY of those 4 over Jordan in a final; the only one who I may reconsider is Derrick but I could just do the puzzle shit as well.
If he can even get to the final, then bravo but he has to go through The Kang AND CT AND Derrick (lolno), Leroy, John, Cory, Nelson, Hunter & AYTO Derrick who is taller/bigger. Depending on the format, they'll have to rig on a level they've never thought possible for Jordan to get through all of that, especially in a physical sense.
kvm1977 wrote:Jordan isn't remotely intelligent. Darrell's endurance destroys his. Re-watch Free Agents and his constant **** ups. He's lucky Sarah ignored him or he wouldn't even have a win.
He is very intelligent. Free agents was his worst performance athletically, but he was running the show politically. His move to flip the cards was stupid but he ran the house that season which is a clear sign of intelligence.He also performed great on Rivals 2 and Exes 2 and he has performed great in eliminations.Darrell is better than Jordan but like I said, if Jordan pulls out a win, that will put him in the elite class. Right now he is borderline elite
LOL @ Jordan running the house on Free Agents...he was a puppet for Zach & CT. He didn't perform great on Rivals 2 or Exes 2. What is his great elimination win? Darrell is infinitely better than Jordan. Jordan isn't close to elite. He's solid when his ego doesn't get the best of him. There is absolutely no way I'd want him as a partner over Darrell, CT, Derrick, Bananas or even Cory. He'on par with Leroy which is good but not elite. You're overselling him. And he's not intelligent in any way.
Good luck with that.
Yeah, Cory's knee is a problem but I think it would be easier to keep him under control than having to worry about Jordan doing something stupid
In a final I would probably take Jordan over all those names you mentioned. Darrell can't swim right? CT's endurance is questionable. Derrick is not bright. Bananas is well rounded but don't think he'd be as good as Jordan. Jordan's biggest weakness is his size and his ego.
Rewatch the Gauntlet if you don't think Darrell can't swim....Johnnny who I hate >>>>>>>>>> JordanDerrick 's an idiot but I got the puzzlesThe truth is only CT & Johnny are good at puzzles of the 5
Darrell can swim but doesn't like heights and is not good at puzzles. Derrick as u said is an idiot when it comes to puzzle or trivia (watch Inferno 3). CT lacks endurance, and Johnny is know to be all-round player. For Jordan don't know what is worse, lacking 1 hand or his huge ego.
Jordan is as dumb as Derrick. Darrell is better at puzzles than Jordan--he did them on Fresh Meat II even though they lost. Jordan's ego and lack of a hand are huge issues. Darrell being afraid of heights has never stopped him from doing something
You pretty just write off anything that Jordan does. None of his elimination victories count to you, his win with Sarah doesn't count, his daily challenge wins I'm sure don't count to you either. There is an excuse you use that nullifies every accomplishment of his.
I actually think that Jordan is a good competitor, but when certain people take a flying leap and offer some of the flimsiest "proof" available to back it up, then that "proof" deserves to be torn down.
CCC318 wrote:He demolished Zach in the sledgehammer elimination.
Partner elimination--not individual and Zach isn't elite
It doesn't matter that it was a partner elimination. The first leg of the elimination was Jordan vs Zach and he destroyed him and Sarah finished against Jonna.Zach isn't elite but an elimination like that is built for him. Using a sledgehammer and bashing it into an object.
How is that elimination built for him? It's not built more anybody unless they are in a profession where a sledgehammer is regularly used.. Just because Zach is big doesn't mean he is going to be good at everything than involved brute strength, and this elimination showed that. He wasn't holding the hammer correctly and he wasn't swinging it correctly. So it really wasn't built for him at all.
So in your eyes, elimination victories only count if you beat Darrell, CT, Derrick etc. All of the other ones are meaningless?
kvm1977 wrote:Jordan isn't remotely intelligent. Darrell's endurance destroys his. Re-watch Free Agents and his constant **** ups. He's lucky Sarah ignored him or he wouldn't even have a win.
He is very intelligent. Free agents was his worst performance athletically, but he was running the show politically. His move to flip the cards was stupid but he ran the house that season which is a clear sign of intelligence.He also performed great on Rivals 2 and Exes 2 and he has performed great in eliminations.Darrell is better than Jordan but like I said, if Jordan pulls out a win, that will put him in the elite class. Right now he is borderline elite
LOL @ Jordan running the house on Free Agents...he was a puppet for Zach & CT. He didn't perform great on Rivals 2 or Exes 2. What is his great elimination win? Darrell is infinitely better than Jordan. Jordan isn't close to elite. He's solid when his ego doesn't get the best of him. There is absolutely no way I'd want him as a partner over Darrell, CT, Derrick, Bananas or even Cory. He'on par with Leroy which is good but not elite. You're overselling him. And he's not intelligent in any way.
Good luck with that.
Yeah, Cory's knee is a problem but I think it would be easier to keep him under control than having to worry about Jordan doing something stupid
In a final I would probably take Jordan over all those names you mentioned. Darrell can't swim right? CT's endurance is questionable. Derrick is not bright. Bananas is well rounded but don't think he'd be as good as Jordan. Jordan's biggest weakness is his size and his ego.
Rewatch the Gauntlet if you don't think Darrell can't swim....Johnnny who I hate >>>>>>>>>> JordanDerrick 's an idiot but I got the puzzlesThe truth is only CT & Johnny are good at puzzles of the 5
Darrell can swim but doesn't like heights and is not good at puzzles. Derrick as u said is an idiot when it comes to puzzle or trivia (watch Inferno 3). CT lacks endurance, and Johnny is know to be all-round player. For Jordan don't know what is worse, lacking 1 hand or his huge ego.
Jordan is as dumb as Derrick. Darrell is better at puzzles than Jordan--he did them on Fresh Meat II even though they lost. Jordan's ego and lack of a hand are huge issues. Darrell being afraid of heights has never stopped him from doing something
It didn't stopped him but it did slow him, but like Landon we can't judge him coz both of them never did 2 day final.
kvm1977 wrote:Jordan isn't remotely intelligent. Darrell's endurance destroys his. Re-watch Free Agents and his constant **** ups. He's lucky Sarah ignored him or he wouldn't even have a win.
He is very intelligent. Free agents was his worst performance athletically, but he was running the show politically. His move to flip the cards was stupid but he ran the house that season which is a clear sign of intelligence.He also performed great on Rivals 2 and Exes 2 and he has performed great in eliminations.Darrell is better than Jordan but like I said, if Jordan pulls out a win, that will put him in the elite class. Right now he is borderline elite
LOL @ Jordan running the house on Free Agents...he was a puppet for Zach & CT. He didn't perform great on Rivals 2 or Exes 2. What is his great elimination win? Darrell is infinitely better than Jordan. Jordan isn't close to elite. He's solid when his ego doesn't get the best of him. There is absolutely no way I'd want him as a partner over Darrell, CT, Derrick, Bananas or even Cory. He'on par with Leroy which is good but not elite. You're overselling him. And he's not intelligent in any way.
Good luck with that.
Yeah, Cory's knee is a problem but I think it would be easier to keep him under control than having to worry about Jordan doing something stupid
In a final I would probably take Jordan over all those names you mentioned. Darrell can't swim right? CT's endurance is questionable. Derrick is not bright. Bananas is well rounded but don't think he'd be as good as Jordan. Jordan's biggest weakness is his size and his ego.
Rewatch the Gauntlet if you don't think Darrell can't swim....Johnnny who I hate >>>>>>>>>> JordanDerrick 's an idiot but I got the puzzlesThe truth is only CT & Johnny are good at puzzles of the 5
Darrell can swim but doesn't like heights and is not good at puzzles. Derrick as u said is an idiot when it comes to puzzle or trivia (watch Inferno 3). CT lacks endurance, and Johnny is know to be all-round player. For Jordan don't know what is worse, lacking 1 hand or his huge ego.
Jordan is as dumb as Derrick. Darrell is better at puzzles than Jordan--he did them on Fresh Meat II even though they lost. Jordan's ego and lack of a hand are huge issues. Darrell being afraid of heights has never stopped him from doing something
You pretty just write off anything that Jordan does. None of his elimination victories count to you, his win with Sarah doesn't count, his daily challenge wins I'm sure don't count to you either. There is an excuse you use that nullifies every accomplishment of his.
kvm1977 wrote:Jordan isn't remotely intelligent. Darrell's endurance destroys his. Re-watch Free Agents and his constant **** ups. He's lucky Sarah ignored him or he wouldn't even have a win.
He is very intelligent. Free agents was his worst performance athletically, but he was running the show politically. His move to flip the cards was stupid but he ran the house that season which is a clear sign of intelligence.He also performed great on Rivals 2 and Exes 2 and he has performed great in eliminations.Darrell is better than Jordan but like I said, if Jordan pulls out a win, that will put him in the elite class. Right now he is borderline elite
LOL @ Jordan running the house on Free Agents...he was a puppet for Zach & CT. He didn't perform great on Rivals 2 or Exes 2. What is his great elimination win? Darrell is infinitely better than Jordan. Jordan isn't close to elite. He's solid when his ego doesn't get the best of him. There is absolutely no way I'd want him as a partner over Darrell, CT, Derrick, Bananas or even Cory. He'on par with Leroy which is good but not elite. You're overselling him. And he's not intelligent in any way.
Good luck with that.
Yeah, Cory's knee is a problem but I think it would be easier to keep him under control than having to worry about Jordan doing something stupid
In a final I would probably take Jordan over all those names you mentioned. Darrell can't swim right? CT's endurance is questionable. Derrick is not bright. Bananas is well rounded but don't think he'd be as good as Jordan. Jordan's biggest weakness is his size and his ego.
Rewatch the Gauntlet if you don't think Darrell can't swim....Johnnny who I hate >>>>>>>>>> JordanDerrick 's an idiot but I got the puzzlesThe truth is only CT & Johnny are good at puzzles of the 5
Darrell can swim but doesn't like heights and is not good at puzzles. Derrick as u said is an idiot when it comes to puzzle or trivia (watch Inferno 3). CT lacks endurance, and Johnny is know to be all-round player. For Jordan don't know what is worse, lacking 1 hand or his huge ego.
Jordan is as dumb as Derrick. Darrell is better at puzzles than Jordan--he did them on Fresh Meat II even though they lost. Jordan's ego and lack of a hand are huge issues. Darrell being afraid of heights has never stopped him from doing something
It didn't stopped him but it did slow him, but like Landon we can't judge him coz both of them never did 2 day final.
Landon carried Carley up a mountain to beat Kenny & Laurel but, yeah, a two-day final would be too much for him to handle. The fact you would even bring Landon into it is absurd. Jordan's a very good competitor. He's better than Zach and many others. You just tried to foolishly call him borderline elite. Which is not. Frank S is much closer. ****, Frank R is closer.
Graphik wrote:If Legendrum was on this, I would probably roll with him over Jordan as well.
Shane isn't better than Jordan in any facet of the game
Oh.When Jordan can do what Shane just did on Invasion after 10+ years of being away from The Challenge in general, then we can talk lol
What did Shane do that was so impressive? He battled against a bunch of mediocre non champs and didn't make it to the final. The highlight of his season was pulling the champs team off the ropes.
Jordan beating Swift counts. Jordan has done well in some missions and partner eliminations. Jordan was awful for 90% of Free Agents. Jordan's ego is a killer. Throwing himself in against Bananas wanting to go against Bananas in a final. Sarah did carry him socially and strategically in Exes 2--everyone knows that. That doesn't mean that he didn't perform well. I'm being realistic--you just like him and therefore overvalue his limited resume
Jordan beating Swift counts. Jordan has done well in some missions and partner eliminations. Jordan was awful for 90% of Free Agents. Jordan's ego is a killer. Throwing himself in against Bananas wanting to go against Bananas in a final. Sarah did carry him socially and strategically in Exes 2--everyone knows that. That doesn't mean that he didn't perform well. I'm being realistic--you just like him and therefore overvalue his limited resume
I agree that he performed poorly on free agents but you are ignoring the fact that he played a great political game. His stupid ego got the best of him but he was under way better control during exes because he knew he screwed up. I'm sure he has since matured too. But he is definitely a great/well rounded competitor right under the top dogs
With that format, I think it's a stretch to say Jordan would have made it to the Free Agents final. Did we not see how CT went out for example or hot lucky Reily got?
Jordan beating Swift counts. Jordan has done well in some missions and partner eliminations. Jordan was awful for 90% of Free Agents. Jordan's ego is a killer. Throwing himself in against Bananas wanting to go against Bananas in a final. Sarah did carry him socially and strategically in Exes 2--everyone knows that. That doesn't mean that he didn't perform well. I'm being realistic--you just like him and therefore overvalue his limited resume
I agree that he performed poorly on free agents but you are ignoring the fact that he played a great political game. His stupid ego got the best of him but he was under way better control during exes because he knew he screwed up. I'm sure he has since matured too. But he is definitely a great/well rounded competitor right under the top dogs
He didn't. Zach & CT were using him throughout Free Agents. Sarah kept the reigns on him on Exes 2 and he tried to **** it up at the end. He's second or third tier. That's fine but you foolishly compared him to the elites. He's not
kvm1977 wrote:Jordan beating Swift counts. Jordan has done well in some missions and partner eliminations. Jordan was awful for 90% of Free Agents. Jordan's ego is a killer. Throwing himself in against Bananas wanting to go against Bananas in a final. Sarah did carry him socially and strategically in Exes 2--everyone knows that. That doesn't mean that he didn't perform well. I'm being realistic--you just like him and therefore overvalue his limited resume
I agree that he performed poorly on free agents but you are ignoring the fact that he played a great political game. His stupid ego got the best of him but he was under way better control during exes because he knew he screwed up. I'm sure he has since matured too. But he is definitely a great/well rounded competitor right under the top dogs
He didn't. Zach & CT were using him throughout Free Agents. Sarah kept the reigns on him on Exes 2 and he tried to **** it up at the end. He's second or third tier. That's fine but you foolishly compared him to the elites. He's not
Third tier??? HAHA
How many tiers do you have? And what other champs are third tier
Shane's better at the strategic part of the game. That can't even be argued.
Specifically? Taking the champs off the ropes? What else?
The deals he made. He understands the politics of the game. He also showed great endurance and the ability to crush food. Shane performed well as season and was their top guy for most of it. He's just not the strongest guy. People forget that even on a scoreboard season (solely based on performance) and Sexes 2 Shane almost made it to the end. Shane's more intelligent than many notice. I'm not saying I'd take Shane over Jordan but if you can't see that Shane understands the strategy of the game better than Jordan then your bias is in complete control right here
kvm1977 wrote:Shane's better at the strategic part of the game. That can't even be argued.
Specifically? Taking the champs off the ropes? What else?
The deals he made. He understands the politics of the game. He also showed great endurance and the ability to crush food. Shane performed well as season and was their top guy for most of it. He's just not the strongest guy. People forget that even on a scoreboard season (solely based on performance) and Sexes 2 Shane almost made it to the end. Shane's more intelligent than many notice. I'm not saying I'd take Shane over Jordan but if you can't see that Shane understands the strategy of the game better than Jordan then your bias is in complete control right here
Shane was a solid competitor. Nothing more or less.
kvm1977 wrote:Jordan beating Swift counts. Jordan has done well in some missions and partner eliminations. Jordan was awful for 90% of Free Agents. Jordan's ego is a killer. Throwing himself in against Bananas wanting to go against Bananas in a final. Sarah did carry him socially and strategically in Exes 2--everyone knows that. That doesn't mean that he didn't perform well. I'm being realistic--you just like him and therefore overvalue his limited resume
I agree that he performed poorly on free agents but you are ignoring the fact that he played a great political game. His stupid ego got the best of him but he was under way better control during exes because he knew he screwed up. I'm sure he has since matured too. But he is definitely a great/well rounded competitor right under the top dogs
He didn't. Zach & CT were using him throughout Free Agents. Sarah kept the reigns on him on Exes 2 and he tried to **** it up at the end. He's second or third tier. That's fine but you foolishly compared him to the elites. He's not
Third tier??? HAHA How many tiers do you have? And what other champs are third tier
There's 10-12 tiers to be honest
Winners I'd have in the same tier as Jordan....Derrick K, Nehemiah, Frank R, Abram, Kenny, Brad & Tyler. I'd have him above Jamie B, Zach, Dunbar, Eric N, MJ, Adam L, Dave G, & Danny plus some of 6-6 winners. The first tier, to me, it Landon, CT, Alton & Darrell. Wes, Evan, Miz, Theo V and a few others would be my second tier. Again--this isn't attacking Jordan.
I'm taking ANY of those 4 over Jordan in a final; the only one who I may reconsider is Derrick but I could just do the puzzle shit as well.
If he can even get to the final, then bravo but he has to go through The Kang AND CT AND Derrick (lolno), Leroy, John, Cory, Nelson, Hunter & AYTO Derrick who is taller/bigger. Depending on the format, they'll have to rig on a level they've never thought possible for Jordan to get through all of that, especially in a physical sense.
I like how people dismiss the majority of old school despite having proven they're better competitors and characters
You pretty just write off anything that Jordan does. None of his elimination victories count to you, his win with Sarah doesn't count, his daily challenge wins I'm sure don't count to you either. There is an excuse you use that nullifies every accomplishment of his.
If Legendrum was on this, I would probably roll with him over Jordan as well.
I actually think that Jordan is a good competitor, but when certain people take a flying leap and offer some of the flimsiest "proof" available to back it up, then that "proof" deserves to be torn down.
Noone is dismissing them though.
So in your eyes, elimination victories only count if you beat Darrell, CT, Derrick etc. All of the other ones are meaningless?
It didn't stopped him but it did slow him, but like Landon we can't judge him coz both of them never did 2 day final.
Shane isn't better than Jordan in any facet of the game
Landon carried Carley up a mountain to beat Kenny & Laurel but, yeah, a two-day final would be too much for him to handle. The fact you would even bring Landon into it is absurd. Jordan's a very good competitor. He's better than Zach and many others. You just tried to foolishly call him borderline elite. Which is not. Frank S is much closer. ****, Frank R is closer.
Oh.
When Jordan can do what Shane just did on Invasion after 10+ years of being away from The Challenge in general, then we can talk lol
What did Shane do that was so impressive? He battled against a bunch of mediocre non champs and didn't make it to the final. The highlight of his season was pulling the champs team off the ropes.
Jordan beating Swift counts. Jordan has done well in some missions and partner eliminations. Jordan was awful for 90% of Free Agents. Jordan's ego is a killer. Throwing himself in against Bananas wanting to go against Bananas in a final. Sarah did carry him socially and strategically in Exes 2--everyone knows that. That doesn't mean that he didn't perform well. I'm being realistic--you just like him and therefore overvalue his limited resume
Shane's better at the strategic part of the game. That can't even be argued.
We need some spoilers...badly...lol
I agree that he performed poorly on free agents but you are ignoring the fact that he played a great political game. His stupid ego got the best of him but he was under way better control during exes because he knew he screwed up. I'm sure he has since matured too. But he is definitely a great/well rounded competitor right under the top dogs
Specifically? Taking the champs off the ropes? What else?
With that format, I think it's a stretch to say Jordan would have made it to the Free Agents final. Did we not see how CT went out for example or hot lucky Reily got?
Is it just me or does it feel like some twist happeend that slowed down the usual schedule?
For real. Watch, Jordan will get eliminated and I'll be eating my words haha
He didn't. Zach & CT were using him throughout Free Agents. Sarah kept the reigns on him on Exes 2 and he tried to **** it up at the end. He's second or third tier. That's fine but you foolishly compared him to the elites. He's not
Third tier??? HAHA
How many tiers do you have? And what other champs are third tier
The deals he made. He understands the politics of the game. He also showed great endurance and the ability to crush food. Shane performed well as season and was their top guy for most of it. He's just not the strongest guy. People forget that even on a scoreboard season (solely based on performance) and Sexes 2 Shane almost made it to the end. Shane's more intelligent than many notice. I'm not saying I'd take Shane over Jordan but if you can't see that Shane understands the strategy of the game better than Jordan then your bias is in complete control right here
Any tea on Thursday's elimination?
Eliminations dont happenned on thursdays...
Shane was a solid competitor. Nothing more or less.
Are there any other formats that are possibilities other than the 3 team format that people keep talking about?
If I had to guess, Alicia is out...Gio said in his live just now that "I'm glad that this girl got out...."
There's 10-12 tiers to be honest
Winners I'd have in the same tier as Jordan....Derrick K, Nehemiah, Frank R, Abram, Kenny, Brad & Tyler. I'd have him above Jamie B, Zach, Dunbar, Eric N, MJ, Adam L, Dave G, & Danny plus some of 6-6 winners. The first tier, to me, it Landon, CT, Alton & Darrell. Wes, Evan, Miz, Theo V and a few others would be my second tier. Again--this isn't attacking Jordan.
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