Exactly y'all keep calling queen this and queen that when none of those female competitors ever dominated or had a say like Laurel or Evelyn had. Not even Cara Maria who is right under the elite level had control. The only way a female can have control over the team is if she is a veteran girl paired with a rookie partner ( Jenn/Noor and Jillian/Pete for example). Any other situation the male dominates the game, you might think that they have no personality or don't bring the drama that girls do but they definetely dominate the challenge. The problem with the female side is that they care more about casting loud girls who completely "ghost" off into their partners back when its time to take over or call the shots.
Diem controlled Derrick and CT. Paula controlled Dunbar. Emily controlled Ty. Etc.Not sure why you're focused on partnerships. Jenn controlled the entire season on Free Agents without needing to win missions. Susie ran G3 & The Ruins. Veronica ran everything she was on after The Gauntlet until The Ruins. Coral ran shit. The lack of team challenges has minimized how much control women can have. At least obvious control.
Diem didn't controll Derrick and CT they made their game and helped Diem out not the other way around. CT didn't do what Diem wanted on Rivals 2 for example. Paula had the alliance but she didn't control Dunbar on the island or cutthroat where he went solo. Ty was a disfunctional partner and Em didn't control shit they had no power they were always going to domes, Jenn wasn't on FA but if you mean FM2 then you are wrong, Wes and Kenny ran that house and she wasn't a threat to neither of them like the final proved.G3 was controlled by all the vets and Evan was the ringleader and Susie wasn't on G3. Ruins JEKD had the most control, Susie knew that and only used the last resort card of throwing the final to get them to keep her around.
Johanna might seem she had control but she only had so much power because that team was basically Austin deluded kids.
One of the most impressive elimination wins was Sarah and Jordan beating Jonna and Zach. Obviously Sarah was going to beat Jonna in that elimination but Jordan using the sledgehammer with only one hand and beating steroid induced Zach in something that easily favored him is amazing
I would have loved a Jordan and Nia team. I would've loved him trying to keep his cool when she kept failing mission after mission. That would've been glorious.
One of the most impressive elimination wins was Sarah and Jordan beating Jonna and Zach. Obviously Sarah was going to beat Jonna in that elimination but Jordan using the sledgehammer with only one hand and beating steroid induced Zach in something that easily favored him is amazing
Wym. If Zach finished first like Jordan. Jonna could've beat Sarah. She wasn't far behind considering Sarah had a huge start. Get with the program. Jonna was a future challenge winner. Zach ruined her chances. Jonna one of the best girls in this era.....
****, ****, ****.... laughter is good for the soul.
xHollyangel wrote:Exactly y'all keep calling queen this and queen that when none of those female competitors ever dominated or had a say like Laurel or Evelyn had. Not even Cara Maria who is right under the elite level had control. The only way a female can have control over the team is if she is a veteran girl paired with a rookie partner ( Jenn/Noor and Jillian/Pete for example). Any other situation the male dominates the game, you might think that they have no personality or don't bring the drama that girls do but they definetely dominate the challenge. The problem with the female side is that they care more about casting loud girls who completely "ghost" off into their partners back when its time to take over or call the shots.
Diem controlled Derrick and CT. Paula controlled Dunbar. Emily controlled Ty. Etc.Not sure why you're focused on partnerships. Jenn controlled the entire season on Free Agents without needing to win missions. Susie ran G3 & The Ruins. Veronica ran everything she was on after The Gauntlet until The Ruins. Coral ran shit. The lack of team challenges has minimized how much control women can have. At least obvious control.
Diem didn't controll Derrick and CT they made their game and helped Diem out not the other way around. CT didn't do what Diem wanted on Rivals 2 for example. Paula had the alliance but she didn't control Dunbar on the island or cutthroat where he went solo. Ty was a disfunctional partner and Em didn't control shit they had no power they were always going to domes, Jenn wasn't on FA but if you mean FM2 then you are wrong, Wes and Kenny ran that house and she wasn't a threat to neither of them like the final proved.G3 was controlled by all the vets and Evan was the ringleader and Susie wasn't on G3. Ruins JEKD had the most control, Susie knew that and only used the last resort card of throwing the final to get them to keep her around.Johanna might seem she had control but she only had so much power because that team was basically Austin deluded kids.
I now know you're clueless. Jenn controlled Kenny and Wes playing both of them. Derrick and CT always did whatever diem wanted despite the fact she never thought things out long term. Johanna did have the numbers but still ran it. Susie ran I3 (sorry I said G3) and everyone acknowledges that. Even Bananas. Susie not Evan ran The Ruins. It was her call to throw in Ev vs. KellyAnne. The fact you don't comprehend Jenn ran FM2 makes me question your intelligence.
One of the most impressive elimination wins was Sarah and Jordan beating Jonna and Zach. Obviously Sarah was going to beat Jonna in that elimination but Jordan using the sledgehammer with only one hand and beating steroid induced Zach in something that easily favored him is amazing
Jonna put up a better fight than I expected but that was the moment that solidified Zach as overrated
One of the most impressive elimination wins was Sarah and Jordan beating Jonna and Zach. Obviously Sarah was going to beat Jonna in that elimination but Jordan using the sledgehammer with only one hand and beating steroid induced Zach in something that easily favored him is amazing
Wym. If Zach finished first like Jordan. Jonna could've beat Sarah. She wasn't far behind considering Sarah had a huge start. Get with the program. Jonna was a future challenge winner. Zach ruined her chances. Jonna one of the best girls in this era..... ****, ****, ****.... laughter is good for the soul.
Sarah has more of brute force than Jonna. She's a great competitor and one of my favorites but with Zach screaming at her and being smaller than Sarah in something that required strength I cant see her beating Sarah that easily, could possibly be close
Zach would've gotten far if he was partnered with Ashley K. Jonna was the weak link.
Watch the two eliminations again. Zach sucked though Ashley K > Jonna. Jonna from Rivals and Seasons was a different person than the girl Zach destroyed.
Zach would've gotten far if he was partnered with Ashley K. Jonna was the weak link.
Watch the two eliminations again. Zach sucked though Ashley K > Jonna. Jonna from Rivals and Seasons was a different person than the girl Zach destroyed.
ThatCoralLover wrote:Jordan is smarter. Simple. He knew what to do.
Jordan isn't smart. At all but maybe smarter than Zach. Bar is low.
where did I say he was smart. I said smarter.Sigh.
Didn't say you said it. Words matter. I said Jordan isn't smart nor that your comment was wrong. Just that Jordan being smarter than Zach is possible because of how dumb Zach is.
ThatCoralLover wrote:Zach would've gotten far if he was partnered with Ashley K. Jonna was the weak link.
Watch the two eliminations again. Zach sucked though Ashley K > Jonna. Jonna from Rivals and Seasons was a different person than the girl Zach destroyed.
You're biased. You clearly dislike Zach.
Zach treats women poorly but the fact Jordan beat him in hammer it home has nothing to do with my dislike of Zach. Just a fact. You can't tell me that Zach's inability to communicate was a problem
ThatCoralLover wrote:Jordan is smarter. Simple. He knew what to do.
Jordan isn't smart. At all but maybe smarter than Zach. Bar is low.
where did I say he was smart. I said smarter.Sigh.
Didn't say you said it. Words matter. I said Jordan isn't smart nor that your comment was wrong. Just that Jordan being smarter than Zach is possible because of how dumb Zach is.
So in conclusion we were saying the same thing. You don't have to insult Zach every chance you get. Zach won the trivia mission on FA.
ThatCoralLover wrote:Zach would've gotten far if he was partnered with Ashley K. Jonna was the weak link.
Watch the two eliminations again. Zach sucked though Ashley K > Jonna. Jonna from Rivals and Seasons was a different person than the girl Zach destroyed.
You're biased. You clearly dislike Zach.
Zach treats women poorly but the fact Jordan beat him in hammer it home has nothing to do with my dislike of Zach. Just a fact. You can't tell me that Zach's inability to communicate was a problem
Wym. Zach worked with plenty of girls on FA. Communication wasn't a big issue then.
ThatCoralLover wrote:Zach would've gotten far if he was partnered with Ashley K. Jonna was the weak link.
Watch the two eliminations again. Zach sucked though Ashley K > Jonna. Jonna from Rivals and Seasons was a different person than the girl Zach destroyed.
You're biased. You clearly dislike Zach.
The irony. I could say the same for you regarding Jonna and underestimating her skills.
ThatCoralLover wrote:Zach would've gotten far if he was partnered with Ashley K. Jonna was the weak link.
Watch the two eliminations again. Zach sucked though Ashley K > Jonna. Jonna from Rivals and Seasons was a different person than the girl Zach destroyed.
You're biased. You clearly dislike Zach.
The irony. I could say the same for you regarding Jonna and underestimating her skills.
Also it was very different for him working with Jonna. Ashley is someone that could ignore the way Zach speaks to women. Jonna isn't that strong emotionally; sadly.
LOL @ only the men being followers. The women are just as much sheep. Nany constantly has Backpack's back despite only using her to get off. Camilla constantly let Backpack shit on her and she keeps backing him.
None of the newer girls are going to have the power the women of yesteryear had IMO. And if you ask me The women back then had power because the men let them as back then there were alot of team challenges so most of the men would make it to the end anyways so the guys wouldn't need to be forcefully dominant or the big dogs because they were never going to be in danger of going home unless you sucked ***..but in that case everyone would be against you.
jergatlin5 wrote:Forgive me for bringing up a rough patch in Challenge history, but I don't understand The Island final? Most likely they made a deal for Evelyn to not take Johnny's key, but the final you were allowed to pick teams. They could have easily said thank you Ev for not taking Johnny's key now gtfo of our face we want Paula. I wouldn't put it past them to do that even after making a deal? Idk maybe that's just me.
The boys wanted the sure win and Evenlyn competitive wise was kicking guys ***** in the faceoff, I guess they figured it was a no brainer to get to the $.
They had already crossed Ev once and got karma on them plus they didn't knew if there was going to be any more twists so they played it safe and made the deal. What im still trying to understand is why the others just made JEK win like that but that can be questioned for every challenge during that period of time.
We gotta chill with this JEK conspiracy, I understand calling it the JEK era because they dominated it along with CT & Wes(whenever they were on the show). But only 2 seasons did they actually work together Island and Ruins. FM1 Evan and Kenny had no alliance. Duel Evan did his own thing Kenny lost early and John went home first. Inferno 3 it was Kenny vs Johnny. Gauntlet 3 they sent home Johnny to save Evan. Island Kenny and Johnny worked together, Duel 2 Evan by himself. Lastly, The Ruins is the JEKD challenge. But never were people just giving them a pass expect for those 2 challenges and in their defense by stacking the Nominees for the Ruins they always had a guy they could send in which was good gameplay.
I didn't quite understood. What conspiracy? That period of time is known as JEK era by most fans in this forum so i called it JEK era. I saw those challenge (same as you) but i don't get your point? Are you saying that they weren't given a free pass?Inferno 3 = Kenny was already established as a top doug + Derrick (no free pass needed cuz the bad ***** were stacked)Gauntlet 3 = Again most vets let Kenny and Evan run the Vets teamIsland = free pass by everyone else when majority could easily send Kenny/Johnny homeRuins = Golden era vets let JEKD takeover because of their hatred for WesDuel 2 = Evan doesn't need free pass because of his performances.Fm2 = Majority rules but somehow they decide to let Kenny/Wes lead (i understood this one because Kenny/Laurel were beasts and winning everything)Rivals 1 = majority rules but JEK hold all the power again (for the last time).So yeah most of their challenges during that period of time were "free p*****" because majority was in power and nobody tried to stop them from winning.
you cherry pick seasons I went on seasons where JEK was mostly on. FM1: No free passDuel: No free passInferno 3: whole team was good no free passGauntlet 3: Maybe Evan got a free pass, but he still would beat every dude there not named CT. He's the teams General CT is Seal Team 6.Island: I said was a free passDuel 2: Evan by himself but no free passThe Ruins: The vets did allow JEK to run things, because of Wes. But JEK and D had a very good plan to stack the nominees so they could vote in who they wanted everytime. Not their fault good gameplay, but I'll give you a point and say free passFM2: Barely even JEK, no free pass Wes and Kenny got rid of their biggest threat (Darrell), then Landon went into Exile came out of nowhere and won in the end. Kenny and Laurel won most of those challenges no free pass.Cutthroat: No Free Pass, Blue team may have won had CT not did what he does best.Rivals 1: Not even really what I consider JEK era, it's really the beginning of the Bananas era. At least one Member of JEK was in a male elimination every time that season. No free p***** J&E both went in against CT, and K went into multiple eliminations because he was doing horribly.
You are making no sense whatsoever where did I cherry picked seasons? I mentioned the seasons where most of them were and said on my first post that they got a free pass during that period of time which is true and which is why people were sick of them because they always had control. You are telling the same thing that im saying but saying im doing conspiracies which i'm not. G3 - Cutthroat/Rivals 1 - was the JEK era and thats a fact. I don't understand what are u argueing about honestly.
I went through every season they were on from FM1-Rivals and deducted that most seasons they weren't given a free pass.
jergatlin5 wrote:Laurel lost 20 minutes because of Zach coming into part 3 of the final she was up 9 minutes let's not act like if Zach doesn't keep the exact same pace as Johnny & Nany did or go faster which I think he would have Laurel wins by at least 25 minutes the final really shouldn't have been close for the girls.
No disagreement. I don't think anyone other than Theresa could have truly put up a fight in that final.
I think Cara beats her without that broken arm. Cara was getting to where even Laurel realized she's a serious threat.
Doubt it but I didn't include her as someone that could have put up a fight because she had a broken arm. Truthfully they should have sent her home
I saw a will from her I'd never seen before in a challenge she wanted it more than I'd seen ever from her. She fought through pain like when Evan almost died on FM. Nany and Theresa don't have that .
This Cara love >>>
Lol it's not even really love, I just saw she finally wanted to really win. And she accomplished that on Bloodlines.
Jenn didn't run shit on FM2, lol she was a layup no one cared who won between Theresa and Jenn cuz either team was getting last. Susie didn't run shit on The Ruins (I **** with her), but they just let her pick who she wanted cuz she was going to throw the final not because she had a great mind to lead.
Diem didn't controll Derrick and CT they made their game and helped Diem out not the other way around. CT didn't do what Diem wanted on Rivals 2 for example. Paula had the alliance but she didn't control Dunbar on the island or cutthroat where he went solo. Ty was a disfunctional partner and Em didn't control shit they had no power they were always going to domes, Jenn wasn't on FA but if you mean FM2 then you are wrong, Wes and Kenny ran that house and she wasn't a threat to neither of them like the final proved.G3 was controlled by all the vets and Evan was the ringleader and Susie wasn't on G3. Ruins JEKD had the most control, Susie knew that and only used the last resort card of throwing the final to get them to keep her around.
Johanna might seem she had control but she only had so much power because that team was basically Austin deluded kids.
One of the most impressive elimination wins was Sarah and Jordan beating Jonna and Zach. Obviously Sarah was going to beat Jonna in that elimination but Jordan using the sledgehammer with only one hand and beating steroid induced Zach in something that easily favored him is amazing
Those 3 also fall into that golden category of girls who can bring both high-level competition & drama.....
*ugly cries*
Ashley just posted on snapchat "When you want to talk to bae but your phone is not charged".
I wonder if we all already figured out who is bae? Lol
i was the first one to figure out <333333
I would have loved a Jordan and Nia team. I would've loved him trying to keep his cool when she kept failing mission after mission. That would've been glorious.
Cooke is the whole package. A real *****
Used to have all the girls hating on her but they couldn't do shit about it >>>>>>>>
Wym. If Zach finished first like Jordan. Jonna could've beat Sarah. She wasn't far behind considering Sarah had a huge start. Get with the program. Jonna was a future challenge winner. Zach ruined her chances. Jonna one of the best girls in this era.....
****, ****, ****.... laughter is good for the soul.
I now know you're clueless. Jenn controlled Kenny and Wes playing both of them. Derrick and CT always did whatever diem wanted despite the fact she never thought things out long term. Johanna did have the numbers but still ran it. Susie ran I3 (sorry I said G3) and everyone acknowledges that. Even Bananas. Susie not Evan ran The Ruins. It was her call to throw in Ev vs. KellyAnne. The fact you don't comprehend Jenn ran FM2 makes me question your intelligence.
Jonna put up a better fight than I expected but that was the moment that solidified Zach as overrated
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Sarah has more of brute force than Jonna. She's a great competitor and one of my favorites but with Zach screaming at her and being smaller than Sarah in something that required strength I cant see her beating Sarah that easily, could possibly be close
Jordan is smarter. Simple. He knew what to do.
Zach would've gotten far if he was partnered with Ashley K. Jonna was the weak link.
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Watch the two eliminations again. Zach sucked though Ashley K > Jonna. Jonna from Rivals and Seasons was a different person than the girl Zach destroyed.
Jordan isn't smart. At all but maybe smarter than Zach. Bar is low.
where did I say he was smart. I said smarter.
Sigh.
You're biased. You clearly dislike Zach.
Didn't say you said it. Words matter. I said Jordan isn't smart nor that your comment was wrong. Just that Jordan being smarter than Zach is possible because of how dumb Zach is.
Zach treats women poorly but the fact Jordan beat him in hammer it home has nothing to do with my dislike of Zach. Just a fact. You can't tell me that Zach's inability to communicate was a problem
So in conclusion we were saying the same thing. You don't have to insult Zach every chance you get. Zach won the trivia mission on FA.
Wym. Zach worked with plenty of girls on FA. Communication wasn't a big issue then.
The irony. I could say the same for you regarding Jonna and underestimating her skills.
Ummm....ask Devyn about working with Zach
Also it was very different for him working with Jonna. Ashley is someone that could ignore the way Zach speaks to women. Jonna isn't that strong emotionally; sadly.
LOL @ only the men being followers. The women are just as much sheep. Nany constantly has Backpack's back despite only using her to get off. Camilla constantly let Backpack shit on her and she keeps backing him.
None of the newer girls are going to have the power the women of yesteryear had IMO. And if you ask me The women back then had power because the men let them as back then there were alot of team challenges so most of the men would make it to the end anyways so the guys wouldn't need to be forcefully dominant or the big dogs because they were never going to be in danger of going home unless you sucked ***..but in that case everyone would be against you.
But that's my opinion.
I went through every season they were on from FM1-Rivals and deducted that most seasons they weren't given a free pass.
Lol it's not even really love, I just saw she finally wanted to really win. And she accomplished that on Bloodlines.
Jenn didn't run shit on FM2, lol she was a layup no one cared who won between Theresa and Jenn cuz either team was getting last. Susie didn't run shit on The Ruins (I **** with her), but they just let her pick who she wanted cuz she was going to throw the final not because she had a great mind to lead.
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