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Laurel

She tried to hype herself up as this bad *** that isn't afraid to step up to anyone but that act was a FAIL. She's really a punk that only goes after weak targets who she knows won't do anything. On the Free Agents reunion, she got in Theresa's face after Theresa said she wanted to punch her. Rewind back to the Rivals reunion, Jenn went after her and said the exact same thing in a WAY more aggressive way but Laurel just sat there looking stupid and did nothing. Why didn't she act all big and bad to Jenn like she did with Theresa??? Because you could tell she was afraid of Jenn and this is coming from someone who doesn't even like Jenn. 

And then she jumped on the Nia hate bandwagon and started disliking her just because Nia didn't say hello to her at the RW: Portland reunion which is funny since Nia didn't even know who she was lol. And on Free Agents, Laurel was nice and cordial with Nia but once she left, Laurel talked so much shit and got into an argument with her on Twitter knowing she was safe at her home thousands of miles away from the hurricane. She was clearly afraid of Nia. Laurel knew which girls to try and which girls to avoid. She's easily intimidated by girls with stronger personalities. She's lucky that Nia was eliminated early because I see Nia dragging the **** out of Laurel if they ever got in a screaming match. 

I agree with your post Justin, even though I like Laurel. Don't get why anyone on the show is ever afraid of Jenn, she looks like she can't fight and all she does is talk. 

I wanna see Laurel vs Nia so bad! They're both pretty much the same size so it would be fair.

PRODUCTION'S FOCUS ON DRUNKEN DRAMA

I think this is so single minded of production to just focus on drama that can be cause by ******* booze. While that can be fun to watch at times it's mostly just a waste of airtime and doesn't lead to anything interesting. Why MTV chooses to focus on that so much is just sad because you can get better drama from the competition..given they cast people whom are smart/strategic and can compete as well.

Cast for competition and trust me..drama will follow.

Let me get one up for Brian..

Tori Hall

She only did 3 challenges, but man did this ***** make it count. I hated her complaining about Frank and wanting to send him home all the time, even though he was BY FAR the best player on their team. Did she really expect her team to win that consisted mostly of those pathetic Austin roommates? I hated her entitled attitude when she got voted into the Gauntlet. 

And that entitled attitude carried over onto the Duel 2. Does anyone remember how *****y she acted towards Aneesa when she picked her? Apparently, you're not allowed to vote Tori into eliminations or she'll have a fit.

 The thing about Tori is she really never was a good competitor. She cried too much and was mentally weak. She beat Melinda (wow such an amazing competitor) in a Gauntlet and only got her first challenge win because of stupid Eric. Didn't do anything special on the Duel 2 other than cry about doing height challenges and she ended up losing to Aneesa. 

She didn't do anything of note on Cutthroat either and only got far because she had the Red team on her side and voting in the better player, Camila, every time. I mean she had me agreeing with Bananas of all people (when he called her a ***** in the confessionals.) 

She also turned fun loving Brad into a boring, conniving person so that loses more points for her in my book. 

Debut, what are your thoughts on Camila on cutthroat? You hate her but I feel like since tori was such a ***** you'd take her side this time.

I agree with your post Justin, even though I like Laurel. Don't get why anyone on the show is ever afraid of Jenn, she looks like she can't fight and all she does is talk. I wanna see Laurel vs Nia so bad! They're both pretty much the same size so it would be fair.

That's exactly how I feel about Jenn lol someone should do a post on her because she was insufferable from Fresh Meat II-Rivals. 

I know people hate Danny, but Nehemiah isn't all that bad lol.

Loved the Tori post. It's funny how she became more awful throughout each of her appearances. There was absolutely no growth in her character lol 

Debut, what are your thoughts on Camila on cutthroat? You hate her but I feel like since tori was such a ***** you'd take her side this time.

Cutthroat Camilla was tricky for me because The Red Team was so shitty to her so in a way I felt for her but at the same time she took the spot of another RW girl just out of the blue and I was NOT happy with that at the time. Plus I think it was said a the reunion that Camilla was horrid so she may have deserved some of the shit she got(but Tori said that so that could be just a cover up for the shitty way they treated her. To justify it basically). So overall I was with her..but I wasn't if that makes sense.

spectacular wrote:

I agree with your post Justin, even though I like Laurel. Don't get why anyone on the show is ever afraid of Jenn, she looks like she can't fight and all she does is talk. I wanna see Laurel vs Nia so bad! They're both pretty much the same size so it would be fair.

That's exactly how I feel about Jenn lol someone should do a post on her because she was insufferable from Fresh Meat II-Rivals. 

Jenn (Fresh Meat 2 to Rivals)

Jenn was very rootable in her first few challenges (The Inferno 3, The Island, The Duel 2). She stayed low key on drama and competitor wise, she was decent. Plus she had that attitude of not being afraid of a challenge so a lot of us rooted for her. 

I was even team Jenn when Fresh Meat 2 started (I also really liked her partner, Noor).  But this was the start of Jenn's game plan of being a "flip flopper." I hated how she played both sides of the Kenny/Wes rivalry. She totally betrayed her alliance with Wes after it was clear he no longer had the numbers and she switched to Kenny's side full time. 

Jenn also started becoming more of a bully towards weaker minded players. She did it with Mandi on Fresh Meat 2, Paula on Cutthroat, and finally Cara Maria on Rivals. Okay, I'm sure all of them were annoying to an extent and I'm not gonna pretend I was ever a fan of them. But it was an ugly side of Jenn's to see. I was also never an Adam King fan, but I remember her treating him like shit on Rivals. It's funny how on all of these challenges, the best she could do was win last place in the final. I remember being satisfied she couldn't finish the Rivals finale with Mandi.

Surprisingly, I didn't mind Jenn on Cutthroat. Actually, I kind of liked her that season and it's still her best showing, IMO. That's also the only season I was fine with her not seeing an elimination.

Surprisingly, I didn't mind Jenn on Cutthroat. Actually, I kind of liked her that season and it's still her best showing, IMO. That's also the only season I was fine with her not seeing an elimination.

This is true. I ended up rooting for the Blue Team at the end of Cutthroat because I hated Tori and all the awful people on the Red Team. Also disliked Laurel and Sarah on the Grey team. I couldn't recall much about her on that challenge. I just didn't like her treatment of Paula (who was her BFF just on the Duel 2) who is too easy of a target. Then again, I can't really recall why they were arguing in the first place. All I remember Jenn saying to Paula was "you've done this much challenges and still haven't won." 

I was rereading Debut's post about TJ and I really agree with the part about how he comes at people who quit. Sometimes it's necessary (Ex: Brandon) but sometimes it's just like wyd? (Ex: Ashli on the Island). I remember TJ really annoying me when he called out Ev for not trying in the elimination against Kelly Anne in the Ruins. Do you think she wanted to quit? The entire house purposely put her against her best friend just to be childish and blind sided her the entire time. That is ****** up. Trust is very important on a team and clearly the trust had been broken after the Champions pulled that stunt. I like Ev because clearly, friendship means more to her than any amount of money and why would she help the Champions win a dime after they pulled that? She was clearly the best girl on the squad, they played themselves by trying that. TJ didn't have to interject and talk about her quitting. You don't know her circumstances so shut up. She was there crying and you could tell how pissed off she was. She preferred to sacrifice herself so that Kelly Anne could have a chance at the money and I respect her for that. Ev clearly has no problem winning challenges, she's tied with Crustonica for female with the most challenge wins. I just felt like TJ needs to fall back sometimes. It's them competing, not you. Relax.

Does anyone know if KA and Ev are still good friends? Their friendship was adorable and if there were ever to be an allies challenge I would love to see them work together. I also want any excuse for Ev to come back lmao

I was rereading Debut's post about TJ and I really agree with the part about how he comes at people who quit. Sometimes it's necessary (Ex: Brandon) but sometimes it's just like wyd? (Ex: Ashli on the Island). I remember TJ really annoying me when he called out Ev for not trying in the elimination against Kelly Anne in the Ruins. Do you think she wanted to quit? The entire house purposely put her against her best friend just to be childish and blind sided her the entire time. That is ****** up. Trust is very important on a team and clearly the trust had been broken after the Champions pulled that stunt. I like Ev because clearly, friendship means more to her than any amount of money and why would she help the Champions win a dime after they pulled that? She was clearly the best girl on the squad, they played themselves by trying that. TJ didn't have to interject and talk about her quitting. You don't know her circumstances so shut up. She was there crying and you could tell how pissed off she was. She preferred to sacrifice herself so that Kelly Anne could have a chance at the money and I respect her for that. Ev clearly has no problem winning challenges, she's tied with Crustonica for female with the most challenge wins. I just felt like TJ needs to fall back sometimes. It's them competing, not you. Relax.Does anyone know if KA and Ev are still good friends? Their friendship was adorable and if there were ever to be an allies challenge I would love to see them work together. I also want any excuse for Ev to come back lmao

Apparently they still are. Kellyanne said so in her facebook chat thing I believe.

I agree with that sentiment about TJ. That's why I never liked him. He annoyed me when he was arguing with Syrus on the Gauntlet 2. He annoyed me when he called out Ashli for quitting for a broken foot. It's not like people were going to choose her over Robin, Teej. I wish this idiot would keep his mouth shut and just host. Johnny Moseley and Dave Mirra (RIP) knew their role. I just realized TJ has hosted every challenge since the Gauntlet 2. Dude is the host version of Bananas. 

I agree with that sentiment about TJ. That's why I never liked him. He annoyed me when he was arguing with Syrus on the Gauntlet 2. He annoyed me when he called out Ashli for quitting for a broken foot. It's not like people were going to choose her over Robin, Teej. I wish this idiot would keep his mouth shut and just host. Johnny Moseley and Dave Mirra (RIP) knew their role. I just realized TJ has hosted every challenge since the Gauntlet 2. Dude is the host version of Bananas. 

Truth. And he really made me mad on The Island too. I mean shit...she was going broken foot or not so it didn't matter if she quit or not(or did she? I haven't seen that season in forever so correct me if I'm wrong).

rwportland2 wrote:

I agree with that sentiment about TJ. That's why I never liked him. He annoyed me when he was arguing with Syrus on the Gauntlet 2. He annoyed me when he called out Ashli for quitting for a broken foot. It's not like people were going to choose her over Robin, Teej. I wish this idiot would keep his mouth shut and just host. Johnny Moseley and Dave Mirra (RIP) knew their role. I just realized TJ has hosted every challenge since the Gauntlet 2. Dude is the host version of Bananas. 

Truth. And he really made me mad on The Island too. I mean shit...she was going broken foot or not so it didn't matter if she quit or not(or did she? I haven't seen that season in forever so correct me if I'm wrong).

The funny thing is she didn't out right say "I'm going to quit because of my foot." She said something along the lines of "I have a broken foot. I'm not saying I'm quitting but Jenn probably deserves to be here more" And like I said, she was going against Jenn (correction, I thought it was Robin) who had the numbers on her side so it's not like Ashli had a chance of staying anyway. Which of course, TJ assumed as quitting. It was the only time I really wanted to go through the screen and shut TJ up.

Ashli basically said y'all can do whatever you think is best for you, and TJ threw a hissy fit lol. I just found it extremely unnecessary. Even if she did blatantly quit, a broken foot is still a good enough reason to dip. 

Ashli basically said y'all can do whatever you think is best for you, and TJ threw a hissy fit lol. I just found it extremely unnecessary. Even if she did blatantly quit, a broken foot is still a good enough reason to dip. 

Bascially. Like what did he want her to do? Stay with a broken toe/foot and hobble along the rest of the time? Seriously.

Tina 

My issue with Tina is that she always tried to come for other people as if she was a good competitor.. I don't even know what to rank her because she wasn't TRAGIC but she was nowhere near the top.. Barely in the middle.

I was rewatching Inferno 2 awhile ago and I remember in the final mission the Bad ***** said Veronica was the weakest person on their team.. Was that.. Serious? I don't like Veronica AT ALL but as aforementioned in my previous post Veronica has three wins under her belt, the most any female has ever won (tied with Evelyn). How is she the worst? Meanwhile during the final Veronica is actually running and pulling her weight while you have Tina having to be CARRIED because she gassed out so early. She looked pathetic.

Fresh Meat 1 I think she definitely improved, I mean her and Kenny beat Theo and Chanda in the Exile and they were one of the strongest teams there. When her and Kenny won the final daily mission before the final she sent in Derrick/Diem versus Darrell/Aviv and although Diem shouldn't have tweaked on her and felt entitled, Tina didn't have to call her anorexic.. I just felt like that was unnecessary but anyway. I was glad she got second place because she's annoying asf.

The Duel 1, well we already know this story lol. Can someone please tell me why EVERYONE hates Beth because it seemed so played out and stupid. Punching Beth was worth 150k? I mean, that's nice and all, but make sure your punch correctly connects and does damage.. Like Tina can you fetch some fighting lessons pls. 

Also don't get why she was brought back for that Heavy Hitters challenge on Cutthroat. Yeah she's heavy.. But that's about it. There were other people to choose from but, what do I know?

Overall my impression of Tina was that she always tried to hype herself up to be this great competitor when she really wasn't.. Much. Maybe y'all disagree with me but that's how I felt. She always tried to come off as tough but barely clocked Beth LOL Tina bye, it's looking slow for you. 

spectacular wrote:

Ashli basically said y'all can do whatever you think is best for you, and TJ threw a hissy fit lol. I just found it extremely unnecessary. Even if she did blatantly quit, a broken foot is still a good enough reason to dip. 

Bascially. Like what did he want her to do? Stay with a broken toe/foot and hobble along the rest of the time? Seriously.

I just feel like he was bored and wanted air time tbh. He looked dumb as hell. 

Debut Album wrote:

spectacular wrote:Ashli basically said y'all can do whatever you think is best for you, and TJ threw a hissy fit lol. I just found it extremely unnecessary. Even if she did blatantly quit, a broken foot is still a good enough reason to dip. 

Bascially. Like what did he want her to do? Stay with a broken toe/foot and hobble along the rest of the time? Seriously.

I just feel like he was bored and wanted air time tbh. He looked dumb as hell. 

Probably was the case..which is dumb as hell if you ask me. like he's the ******* host. He's gonna be in every single episode anyways.

With Tina I always felt that she was a decent competitor. I don't remember her much on Gauntlet but on Sexes 2 she did well there, and she did decent on Inferno 2(but she did choke on that final) and she wasn't too bad on Fresh Meat as well. I'd say she's decent/solid. But she's nowhere near elite though and it didn't make sense for her to be a heavy hitter on Cutthroat honestly.

spectacular wrote:

Ashli basically said y'all can do whatever you think is best for you, and TJ threw a hissy fit lol. I just found it extremely unnecessary. Even if she did blatantly quit, a broken foot is still a good enough reason to dip. 

Bascially. Like what did he want her to do? Stay with a broken toe/foot and hobble along the rest of the time? Seriously.

Plus TJ was probably all cozied up in some nice hotel room while the castmembers had to suffer on the Island. He had no room to talk.

Agree about Tina too. Fresh Meat was the only challenge where she actually proved herself and belonged. She gassed out in the Inferno 2 final and remember Rachel mentioning in the special after the finale aired how Tina was trash talking Tonya after the final happened and Rachel flat out said something like "Don't talk to me. Work on your running because I'll vote you right off on the next challenge." Tina was all bark and no bite to me. She tried fitting it with the Mean Girls that season but she turned out to be as much as a liability as Tonya.

And that pathetic "punch" on the Duel. I'm pretty sure Adam Royer connected more on his Ty slap. I thought Beth won that battle. 

I honestly forgot she was the special guest on Cutthroat. That's how forgettable her comeback was. Not to mention, she lost to both Tori and Theresa. 

I know yall ***** did NOT put Tina.

Debut Album wrote:

spectacular wrote:Ashli basically said y'all can do whatever you think is best for you, and TJ threw a hissy fit lol. I just found it extremely unnecessary. Even if she did blatantly quit, a broken foot is still a good enough reason to dip. 

Bascially. Like what did he want her to do? Stay with a broken toe/foot and hobble along the rest of the time? Seriously.

Plus TJ was probably all cozied up in some nice hotel room while the castmembers had to suffer on the Island. He had no room to talk.

lol true.

Casey (Fresh Meat)

Okay, Casey is a terrible competitor and pretty irrelevant now and she was also pretty aware of how terrible she was. But she still annoyed me. I was fine with her on Fresh Meat because I hated Wes and wanted to see him fail. She didn't last long enough on the Duel (only highlight was that she got breast implants after Fresh Meat). So my opinion of Casey was pretty meh.

Then came the Gauntlet 3. And that moment when Coral quit. First off, why did Casey feel like she was "taking one for the team?" Um, if it were up to me, she would have been gone since Day 1. Why the Vets felt they needed to keep her around that long, I don't know. 

My disdain for her reached its highest when she appeared on the Ruins. That challenge was just terrible in every way possible, from the competition to the Tonya situation to the Brad and Darrell fight and JEK. But imo Casey was singlehandedly the reason why the Challengers team was so awful. Sure the Champions team was stacked but the Challengers team had KellyAnne, Sarah, Brad, Kim (who was decent) and they only managed to get 1 Challenge win in the entire season. I hated how easy she made it for JEK to win this season. Her awfulness also brought out the worst in Brad. I have no idea why the Challengers decided to vote in Brianna over Casey. That was the dumbest move they made considering it was the only mission they won. She would have gotten redemption points for me had she appeared on Exes 1 with Bananas because I would have loved to seen him carry her weight. But we didn't. She also hooked up with Bananas so... gross. 

Also lol at Sarah going off on Shauvon on Cutthroat and saying it's her fault she lost the Ruins when Shauvon only lasted 3 episodes and Casey nearly lasted the whole season. Someone needs to make a full on Sarah post in here. 

With Tina I always felt that she was a decent competitor. I don't remember her much on Gauntlet but on Sexes 2 she did well there, and she did decent on Inferno 2(but she did choke on that final) and she wasn't too bad on Fresh Meat as well. I'd say she's decent/solid. But she's nowhere near elite though and it didn't make sense for her to be a heavy hitter on Cutthroat honestly.

I'm guessing they couldn't get Jodi or Rachel...

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