I'm also kinda surprised that some people(Pinkrose for one) haven't see older seasons. I feel like they were long time fans.
Haha I became a fan of the show on seasons 2. I have seen episodes of The Duel and watched every other season from the Gaunlet 3 to now. I am fan of the show, just havent catch up with older seasons. I have seen clips of older season like the 3 some of Abram and Julie trying to kill Veronica.Someone just sent me the links of the ancient challenge, so i guess I will watch them sometime.
Do watch the older seasons. They're ******* amazing and the best this show has to offer really.
Debut Album wrote:I'm also kinda surprised that some people(Pinkrose for one) haven't see older seasons. I feel like they were long time fans.
Haha I became a fan of the show on seasons 2. I have seen episodes of The Duel and watched every other season from the Gaunlet 3 to now. I am fan of the show, just havent catch up with older seasons. I have seen clips of older season like the 3 some of Abram and Julie trying to kill Veronica.Someone just sent me the links of the ancient challenge, so i guess I will watch them sometime.
Do watch the older seasons. They're ******* amazing and the best this show has to offer really.
I will ! Let you guys know what I think about the ones I watched.
Agreed and Given that I hate Camilla that's saying alot. Brad being on this show might've gotten me on board with this season given he was always one of my favorites.
Yeah I'd would give anything to see Brad back. And they were actually a real rivalry considering both Brad/Tori despised her and it was when Camila's drama was real instead of her blowing shit out of proportion.
schaboszczak wrote:And I feel like most of the ancient vets will flop so hard nowadays. Look at Veronica in Ruins.
People like Darrell and Derrick wouldn't. Veronica was never that great of a competitor to begin with.
Darell flops even in FM2, and D kinda in Cutthroat, so idk.
Cara Maria was the flop, Darrell did what he was supposed to do but you're only as good as your partner in these types of formats.I'm still scratching my head at that. How are you JUST now winning when you've had Darrell, Laurel & Cooke as partners?
Cara is not that good that's why. That's why I feel that despite her getting better she still is kinda overrated.
Cara is better than Nany, Anessa, Jenna, KellyAnne, Christina, Jonna, Jemmye, Nia, Jessica, Emilee, Devyn, Latoya, Jasmine, Rianna, Nicole, Emily, Candice, Larissa, Brianna etc. and probably even Camila and Sarah tbh
Idk how people can say she's not that good when she's better than almost every girl on the show besides people like Laurel, Theresa, Cooke, Emily lol.
schaboszczak wrote:And I feel like most of the ancient vets will flop so hard nowadays. Look at Veronica in Ruins.
People like Darrell and Derrick wouldn't. Veronica was never that great of a competitor to begin with.
Darell flops even in FM2, and D kinda in Cutthroat, so idk.
Cara Maria was the flop, Darrell did what he was supposed to do but you're only as good as your partner in these types of formats.I'm still scratching my head at that. How are you JUST now winning when you've had Darrell, Laurel & Cooke as partners?
Cara is not that good that's why. That's why I feel that despite her getting better she still is kinda overrated.
Cara is better than Nany, Anessa, Jenna, KellyAnne, Christina, Jonna, Jemmye, Nia, Jessica, Emilee, Devyn, Latoya, Jasmine, Rianna, Nicole, Emily, Candice, Larissa, Brianna etc. and probably even Camila and Sarah tbhIdk how people can say she's not that good when she's better than almost every girl on the show besides people like Laurel, Theresa, Cooke, Emily lol.
Shes definitely not better than KellyAnne, Sarah, and Camila. Cara is better than majority of the girls of this era but not girls like Rachel, Emily B, Holly, Evelyn, and etc.
People hype Kellyanne up too much in my opinion. Give me an example of when she has "dominated" a competition. She was given a win in the elimination round of the Ruins against Evelyn and Veronica was an easy win. & she sucked in that final. Just dont get it
schaboszczak wrote:And I feel like most of the ancient vets will flop so hard nowadays. Look at Veronica in Ruins.
People like Darrell and Derrick wouldn't. Veronica was never that great of a competitor to begin with.
Darell flops even in FM2, and D kinda in Cutthroat, so idk.
Cara Maria was the flop, Darrell did what he was supposed to do but you're only as good as your partner in these types of formats.I'm still scratching my head at that. How are you JUST now winning when you've had Darrell, Laurel & Cooke as partners?
Cara is not that good that's why. That's why I feel that despite her getting better she still is kinda overrated.
Cara is better than Nany, Anessa, Jenna, KellyAnne, Christina, Jonna, Jemmye, Nia, Jessica, Emilee, Devyn, Latoya, Jasmine, Rianna, Nicole, Emily, Candice, Larissa, Brianna etc. and probably even Camila and Sarah tbhIdk how people can say she's not that good when she's better than almost every girl on the show besides people like Laurel, Theresa, Cooke, Emily lol.
Shes definitely not better than KellyAnne, Sarah, and Camila. Cara is better than majority of the girls of this era but not girls like Rachel, Emily B, Holly, Evelyn, and etc.
I didn't include any of theose older girls because they aren't on the show anymore and she definitely hasn't proven to be better than Rachel/Evelyn who she has been on the show with.
KellyAnne, Sarah and Camila are all strong competitors compared to the new era girls, but I would put Cara above all 3 of them. Cara killed KellyAnne and Camila on the first challenge of Bloodlines. The second one didn't take any skill. KellyAnne fell on the third challenge. The trivia doesn't count for shit.
I also think Cara has more muscle than all three of them and probably better endurance than Sarah, not sure about KellyAnne. I see Cara beating all three of them in a physical elimination.
schaboszczak wrote:And I feel like most of the ancient vets will flop so hard nowadays. Look at Veronica in Ruins.
People like Darrell and Derrick wouldn't. Veronica was never that great of a competitor to begin with.
Darell flops even in FM2, and D kinda in Cutthroat, so idk.
Cara Maria was the flop, Darrell did what he was supposed to do but you're only as good as your partner in these types of formats.I'm still scratching my head at that. How are you JUST now winning when you've had Darrell, Laurel & Cooke as partners?
Cara is not that good that's why. That's why I feel that despite her getting better she still is kinda overrated.
Cara is better than Nany, Anessa, Jenna, KellyAnne, Christina, Jonna, Jemmye, Nia, Jessica, Emilee, Devyn, Latoya, Jasmine, Rianna, Nicole, Emily, Candice, Larissa, Brianna etc. and probably even Camila and Sarah tbhIdk how people can say she's not that good when she's better than almost every girl on the show besides people like Laurel, Theresa, Cooke, Emily lol.
Shes definitely not better than KellyAnne, Sarah, and Camila. Cara is better than majority of the girls of this era but not girls like Rachel, Emily B, Holly, Evelyn, and etc.
I didn't include any of theose older girls because they aren't on the show anymore and she definitely hasn't proven to be better than Rachel/Evelyn who she has been on the show with.KellyAnne, Sarah and Camila are all strong competitors compared to the new era girls, but I would put Cara above all 3 of them. Cara killed KellyAnne and Camila on the first challenge of Bloodlines. The second one didn't take any skill. KellyAnne fell on the third challenge. The trivia doesn't count for shit.I also think Cara has more muscle than all three of them and probably better endurance than Sarah, not sure about KellyAnne. I see Cara beating all three of them in a physical elimination.
Cara struggled with Jessica in a physical elimination so I don't really see her being this powerhouse like she trains to be. KellyAnne proved herself by beating Rachel in their face off on the island and during the missions on the Ruins. Sarah proved herself on The Ruins, Cutthroat(minus the final), BOTS2, and Exes 2. Camila has been on multiple seasons with Cara and has outperformed her every chance they get.
Dont let Cara fool you by her doing cross fit and all of this other training. She has been awful on every season she has been on minus Free Agents where she won eliminations against mediocre competitors.
schaboszczak wrote:And I feel like most of the ancient vets will flop so hard nowadays. Look at Veronica in Ruins.
People like Darrell and Derrick wouldn't. Veronica was never that great of a competitor to begin with.
Darell flops even in FM2, and D kinda in Cutthroat, so idk.
Cara Maria was the flop, Darrell did what he was supposed to do but you're only as good as your partner in these types of formats.I'm still scratching my head at that. How are you JUST now winning when you've had Darrell, Laurel & Cooke as partners?
Cara is not that good that's why. That's why I feel that despite her getting better she still is kinda overrated.
Cara is better than Nany, Anessa, Jenna, KellyAnne, Christina, Jonna, Jemmye, Nia, Jessica, Emilee, Devyn, Latoya, Jasmine, Rianna, Nicole, Emily, Candice, Larissa, Brianna etc. and probably even Camila and Sarah tbhIdk how people can say she's not that good when she's better than almost every girl on the show besides people like Laurel, Theresa, Cooke, Emily lol.
Shes definitely not better than KellyAnne, Sarah, and Camila. Cara is better than majority of the girls of this era but not girls like Rachel, Emily B, Holly, Evelyn, and etc.
I didn't include any of theose older girls because they aren't on the show anymore and she definitely hasn't proven to be better than Rachel/Evelyn who she has been on the show with.KellyAnne, Sarah and Camila are all strong competitors compared to the new era girls, but I would put Cara above all 3 of them. Cara killed KellyAnne and Camila on the first challenge of Bloodlines. The second one didn't take any skill. KellyAnne fell on the third challenge. The trivia doesn't count for shit.I also think Cara has more muscle than all three of them and probably better endurance than Sarah, not sure about KellyAnne. I see Cara beating all three of them in a physical elimination.
Cara struggled with Jessica in a physical elimination so I don't really see her being this powerhouse like she trains to be. KellyAnne proved herself by beating Rachel in their face off on the island and during the missions on the Ruins. Sarah proved herself on The Ruins, Cutthroat(minus the final), BOTS2, and Exes 2. Camila has been on multiple seasons with Cara and has outperformed her every chance they get.
Dont let Cara fool you by her doing cross fit and all of this other training. She has been awful on every season she has been on minus Free Agents where she won eliminations against mediocre competitors.
People hype Kellyanne up too much in my opinion. Give me an example of when she has "dominated" a competition. She was given a win in the elimination round of the Ruins against Evelyn and Veronica was an easy win. & she sucked in that final. Just dont get it
I don't see anyone hyping her up like she's Evelyn or Laurel level. I put her behind Sarah and Camila but definitely ahead of Cara Maria.
People hype Kellyanne up too much in my opinion. Give me an example of when she has "dominated" a competition. She was given a win in the elimination round of the Ruins against Evelyn and Veronica was an easy win. & she sucked in that final. Just dont get it
I don't see anyone hyping her up like she's Evelyn or Laurel level. I put her behind Sarah and Camila but definitely ahead of Cara Maria.
Cara did better than KellyAnne on every challenge so far this season and better than Camila on the first challenge.
ChallengeFan00 wrote:People hype Kellyanne up too much in my opinion. Give me an example of when she has "dominated" a competition. She was given a win in the elimination round of the Ruins against Evelyn and Veronica was an easy win. & she sucked in that final. Just dont get it
I don't see anyone hyping her up like she's Evelyn or Laurel level. I put her behind Sarah and Camila but definitely ahead of Cara Maria.
Cara did better than KellyAnne on every challenge so far this season and better than Camila on the first challenge.
This is 1 season and we are 4 missions in. Can't just look past their history where Cara has sucked with great partners.
ChallengeFan00 wrote:People hype Kellyanne up too much in my opinion. Give me an example of when she has "dominated" a competition. She was given a win in the elimination round of the Ruins against Evelyn and Veronica was an easy win. & she sucked in that final. Just dont get it
I don't see anyone hyping her up like she's Evelyn or Laurel level. I put her behind Sarah and Camila but definitely ahead of Cara Maria.
Cara did better than KellyAnne on every challenge so far this season and better than Camila on the first challenge.
This is 1 season and we are 4 missions in. Can't just look past their history where Cara has sucked with great partners.
Camila, KellyAnne and Sarah haven't had flawless performances either and I still think Cara beats every one of them in a physical elimination. Cara has also outlasted them on every season except BOTS and Camila on Exes.
But I'm using this season as the main example because it is their current state of condition and 3/4 of them are competing in the same missions.
ChallengeFan00 wrote:People hype Kellyanne up too much in my opinion. Give me an example of when she has "dominated" a competition. She was given a win in the elimination round of the Ruins against Evelyn and Veronica was an easy win. & she sucked in that final. Just dont get it
I don't see anyone hyping her up like she's Evelyn or Laurel level. I put her behind Sarah and Camila but definitely ahead of Cara Maria.
Cara did better than KellyAnne on every challenge so far this season and better than Camila on the first challenge.
This is 1 season and we are 4 missions in. Can't just look past their history where Cara has sucked with great partners.
Camila, KellyAnne and Sarah haven't had flawless performances either and I still think Cara beats every one of them in a physical elimination. Cara has also outlasted them on every season except BOTS and Camila on Exes.But I'm using this season as the main example because it is their current state of condition and 3/4 of them are competing in the same missions.
I think we rank competitors differently. I do it based on missions, eliminations, and final performances all time. Not only just their current state. I really don't bring in how far they make it because we all know politics and strategy play into that as well.
ChallengeFan00 wrote:People hype Kellyanne up too much in my opinion. Give me an example of when she has "dominated" a competition. She was given a win in the elimination round of the Ruins against Evelyn and Veronica was an easy win. & she sucked in that final. Just dont get it
I don't see anyone hyping her up like she's Evelyn or Laurel level. I put her behind Sarah and Camila but definitely ahead of Cara Maria.
Cara did better than KellyAnne on every challenge so far this season and better than Camila on the first challenge.
This is 1 season and we are 4 missions in. Can't just look past their history where Cara has sucked with great partners.
Camila, KellyAnne and Sarah haven't had flawless performances either and I still think Cara beats every one of them in a physical elimination. Cara has also outlasted them on every season except BOTS and Camila on Exes.But I'm using this season as the main example because it is their current state of condition and 3/4 of them are competing in the same missions.
I think we rank competitors differently. I do it based on missions, eliminations, and final performances all time. Not only just their current state. I really don't bring in how far they make it because we all know politics and strategy play into that as well.
I take into account all seasons/missions/challenges/eliminations. But that doesn't mean somebody can't improve. That's like Cara becoming elite to the point where she's better than Laurel/Emily/Evelynn and saying she's not as good of them due to her first few apperances. Cara's current state IMO is stronger than Sarah/Camila/KellyAnne. Physically now, she beats all three of them in eliminations IMO.
Yes but it's hard to compare someone who goes all the way or almost all the way to someone who consistently goes home pretty early. The person who makes it further competes in more missions and sometimes eliminations. Plus Camila has better politics/strategy than Cara and goes home before her almost all of the time.
Ex: Jill did better than Jenna in the first mission. But you can't say that she was overall a better competitor than someone like Jenna because she was only on one-two episodes.
Cara has never been someone who has totally sucked IMO and Camila has been someone who has done well but hasn't lasted long many times or been an outstanding competitor. Same with Sarah. KellyAnne was solid on two seasons but nothing spectacular either to say she is better than Cara.
In my opinion Cara is a strong physical competitor, she is in better shape than anyone on bloodlines season (girls). I think the only comparable was Jill, based on physic/first challenge.
Cara is weak in politics and mentally, she relies on other people to support her mentally/politically. She did improve over the years in this field, got older and also got more friends and is now a vet. That is why now she is stronger than she was before. But she can't be the lone warrior. Because of that she will never be better than Lauren/Evelyn/Emily S/Rachel. Those are strong both mentally and physically.
In case of comparison to Sarah it is a toss up. Sarah is weaker physically (everything except swimming, when she is probably the best), but much better in this game mentally and politically.
Cara has made it further than Camila on Cutthroat, Rivals, Rivals 2, Free Agents and Bloodlines. I like Camila, but Cara has come onto her own and is just built stronger. Unfortunately for Cara when she had Laurel, they went up against Evelyn, and when she had Cooke she went up against Emily and they blew their lead.
KA if anything is over hyped, I think she is hilarious but she left the show at the wrong time. On The Island and Ruins she showed potential, and could have been a great competitor but left while she was in her prime. Lost a chance for a W in a Cutthroat format, and it would have been awesome to see her and Cohutta on BOTE. She would have no doubt made some new rivals to make the girls portion of Rivals and Rivals 2 more interesting too. It is a shame she took such a long break.
Why do you guys think Cara is some beast physically? She was thrown around by Emily on Exes 1, struggled with Jessica, sucked in Rampage, and was irrelevant in Crossover.
Cara has made it further than Camila on Cutthroat, Rivals, Rivals 2, Free Agents and Bloodlines. I like Camila, but Cara has come onto her own and is just built stronger. Unfortunately for Cara when she had Laurel, they went up against Evelyn, and when she had Cooke she went up against Emily and they blew their lead.KA if anything is over hyped, I think she is hilarious but she left the show at the wrong time. On The Island and Ruins she showed potential, and could have been a great competitor but left while she was in her prime. Lost a chance for a W in a Cutthroat format, and it would have been awesome to see her and Cohutta on BOTE. She would have no doubt made some new rivals to make the girls portion of Rivals and Rivals 2 more interesting too. It is a shame she took such a long break.
Making it further doesn't matter. If they are on the same season together I judge them by how they do when they are there.
Why do you guys think Cara is some beast physically? She was thrown around by Emily on Exes 1, struggled with Jessica, sucked in Rampage, and was irrelevant in Crossover.
Yeah, lets focus only on the weak times and lets forget all the good moments she have and form our opinions around this logic....
Why do you guys think Cara is some beast physically? She was thrown around by Emily on Exes 1, struggled with Jessica, sucked in Rampage, and was irrelevant in Crossover.
Yeah, lets focus only on the weak times and lets forget all the good moments she have and form our opinions around this logic....
When has she proven herself to be strong physically?
KennyER wrote:Why do you guys think Cara is some beast physically? She was thrown around by Emily on Exes 1, struggled with Jessica, sucked in Rampage, and was irrelevant in Crossover.
Yeah, lets focus only on the weak times and lets forget all the good moments she have and form our opinions around this logic....
When has she proven herself to be strong physically?
Do watch the older seasons. They're ******* amazing and the best this show has to offer really.
On my defense I wasnt born in the states and they for some reason MTV doesnt show this shows outside the states/Canada.
I will ! Let you guys know what I think about the ones I watched.
Yeah I'd would give anything to see Brad back. And they were actually a real rivalry considering both Brad/Tori despised her and it was when Camila's drama was real instead of her blowing shit out of proportion.
Cara is better than Nany, Anessa, Jenna, KellyAnne, Christina, Jonna, Jemmye, Nia, Jessica, Emilee, Devyn, Latoya, Jasmine, Rianna, Nicole, Emily, Candice, Larissa, Brianna etc. and probably even Camila and Sarah tbh
Idk how people can say she's not that good when she's better than almost every girl on the show besides people like Laurel, Theresa, Cooke, Emily lol.
Shes definitely not better than KellyAnne, Sarah, and Camila. Cara is better than majority of the girls of this era but not girls like Rachel, Emily B, Holly, Evelyn, and etc.
If we are doing a draft I probably still pick Nany and Nia over her.
People hype Kellyanne up too much in my opinion. Give me an example of when she has "dominated" a competition. She was given a win in the elimination round of the Ruins against Evelyn and Veronica was an easy win. & she sucked in that final. Just dont get it
I didn't include any of theose older girls because they aren't on the show anymore and she definitely hasn't proven to be better than Rachel/Evelyn who she has been on the show with.
KellyAnne, Sarah and Camila are all strong competitors compared to the new era girls, but I would put Cara above all 3 of them. Cara killed KellyAnne and Camila on the first challenge of Bloodlines. The second one didn't take any skill. KellyAnne fell on the third challenge. The trivia doesn't count for shit.
I also think Cara has more muscle than all three of them and probably better endurance than Sarah, not sure about KellyAnne. I see Cara beating all three of them in a physical elimination.
Cara struggled with Jessica in a physical elimination so I don't really see her being this powerhouse like she trains to be. KellyAnne proved herself by beating Rachel in their face off on the island and during the missions on the Ruins. Sarah proved herself on The Ruins, Cutthroat(minus the final), BOTS2, and Exes 2. Camila has been on multiple seasons with Cara and has outperformed her every chance they get.
Dont let Cara fool you by her doing cross fit and all of this other training. She has been awful on every season she has been on minus Free Agents where she won eliminations against mediocre competitors.
Cara struggled with Jessica in a physical elimination so I don't really see her being this powerhouse like she trains to be. KellyAnne proved herself by beating Rachel in their face off on the island and during the missions on the Ruins. Sarah proved herself on The Ruins, Cutthroat(minus the final), BOTS2, and Exes 2. Camila has been on multiple seasons with Cara and has outperformed her every chance they get.
Dont let Cara fool you by her doing cross fit and all of this other training. She has been awful on every season she has been on minus Free Agents where she won eliminations against mediocre competitors.
I don't see anyone hyping her up like she's Evelyn or Laurel level. I put her behind Sarah and Camila but definitely ahead of Cara Maria.
Cara did better than KellyAnne on every challenge so far this season and better than Camila on the first challenge.
This is 1 season and we are 4 missions in. Can't just look past their history where Cara has sucked with great partners.
Camila, KellyAnne and Sarah haven't had flawless performances either and I still think Cara beats every one of them in a physical elimination. Cara has also outlasted them on every season except BOTS and Camila on Exes.
But I'm using this season as the main example because it is their current state of condition and 3/4 of them are competing in the same missions.
I think we rank competitors differently. I do it based on missions, eliminations, and final performances all time. Not only just their current state. I really don't bring in how far they make it because we all know politics and strategy play into that as well.
I take into account all seasons/missions/challenges/eliminations. But that doesn't mean somebody can't improve. That's like Cara becoming elite to the point where she's better than Laurel/Emily/Evelynn and saying she's not as good of them due to her first few apperances. Cara's current state IMO is stronger than Sarah/Camila/KellyAnne. Physically now, she beats all three of them in eliminations IMO.
Yes but it's hard to compare someone who goes all the way or almost all the way to someone who consistently goes home pretty early. The person who makes it further competes in more missions and sometimes eliminations. Plus Camila has better politics/strategy than Cara and goes home before her almost all of the time.
Ex: Jill did better than Jenna in the first mission. But you can't say that she was overall a better competitor than someone like Jenna because she was only on one-two episodes.
Cara has never been someone who has totally sucked IMO and Camila has been someone who has done well but hasn't lasted long many times or been an outstanding competitor. Same with Sarah. KellyAnne was solid on two seasons but nothing spectacular either to say she is better than Cara.
In my opinion Cara is a strong physical competitor, she is in better shape than anyone on bloodlines season (girls). I think the only comparable was Jill, based on physic/first challenge.
Cara is weak in politics and mentally, she relies on other people to support her mentally/politically. She did improve over the years in this field, got older and also got more friends and is now a vet. That is why now she is stronger than she was before. But she can't be the lone warrior. Because of that she will never be better than Lauren/Evelyn/Emily S/Rachel. Those are strong both mentally and physically.
In case of comparison to Sarah it is a toss up. Sarah is weaker physically (everything except swimming, when she is probably the best), but much better in this game mentally and politically.
Cara has made it further than Camila on Cutthroat, Rivals, Rivals 2, Free Agents and Bloodlines. I like Camila, but Cara has come onto her own and is just built stronger. Unfortunately for Cara when she had Laurel, they went up against Evelyn, and when she had Cooke she went up against Emily and they blew their lead.
KA if anything is over hyped, I think she is hilarious but she left the show at the wrong time. On The Island and Ruins she showed potential, and could have been a great competitor but left while she was in her prime. Lost a chance for a W in a Cutthroat format, and it would have been awesome to see her and Cohutta on BOTE. She would have no doubt made some new rivals to make the girls portion of Rivals and Rivals 2 more interesting too. It is a shame she took such a long break.
They used to do that PR (They don't anymore), I saw it on mtvla from 2006 to 2010 and now I do it on youtube or wherever I find it.
Why do you guys think Cara is some beast physically? She was thrown around by Emily on Exes 1, struggled with Jessica, sucked in Rampage, and was irrelevant in Crossover.
Making it further doesn't matter. If they are on the same season together I judge them by how they do when they are there.
Cara is definitely better than KellyAnne. I mean she's already out performing her this season.
If that's the case then Zach > CT
KellyAnne > Caramel
CT > Zach
Yeah, lets focus only on the weak times and lets forget all the good moments she have and form our opinions around this logic....
When has she proven herself to be strong physically?
KellyAnne isn't that good. She did decent on Island and Ruins (flopped the final) and then on Bloodlines she's been mediocre.
1.Camila
2.Cara
3.KellyAnne
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