It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
Totally agree. I was annoyed with Kimmi this episode, but I'm glad Kelly didn't go home. I am actually in the minority and would've been okay if Spencer went home. But I'm very confused at Bayon's strategies.
I thought, the idea of having a girls alliance could have been beneficial, and if Kimmi wasn't ready for it just yet, she should have gone along with Monica and take out Spencer, an outsider. It keeps the number of the men down, but she also perserves all her original four members. Although taking out Monica is better for the team cause she sucked anyways and Spencer is much more beneficial. (But I don't think they thought about what makes the tribe stronger, since they were dead set on taking out Spencer/Kelly before Monica opened her mouth.)
I also don't understand why throwing Kelly under the bus is going to help Spencer in the long run on this tribe. Instead of dragging in an outsider to even the numbers. Kicking Kelly out will only postpone the inevitable of him being voting out too. But I guess since the original four were soooo soooo "tight" he was afriad that trying to make one flip would put a target on his back immediately.
Monica is a *******, she should have saidnothing about a girls alliance and just campaign to vote Spencer out. Then see later, what Kimmi thought about it.
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
Lack of strong leadership/competent players is why girl's alliances never work. But when the strong leadership is there, it tends to do pretty well (Micronesia, One World)
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
Eh..kinda sorta with that season.
But yeah..Monica ****** herself big time.
Yeah true lol but they did run the show for the most part. Vanuatu was basically all about the women and Chris.
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
What are you talking about.... girls won pretty often. Three girls won in a row a few years back....
Also Kimmi didn't work with Monica because Monica showed she couldn't not be trusted. She changed her mind at the very last minute, thats why Kimmi didn't trust her. You don't want to go to the merge with someone who out of nowhere flips on the alliance.
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
What are you talking about.... girls won pretty often. Three girls won in a row a few years back.... Also Kimmi didn't work with Monica because Monica showed she couldn't not be trusted. She changed her mind at the very last minute, thats why Kimmi didn't trust her. You don't want to go to the merge with someone who out of nowhere flips on the alliance.
True. I think had Monica brought it up later or in a different fashion, it could have been better. Like if she campaign for Spencer to go intstead of Kelly and then reveal to Kimmi to an idea of girls alliance, Kimmi might havebeen down.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
One World was guys vs girls so I wouldn't really count that. You have no option but to work with your gender up until the merge at least. But I agree about BB being worse with it.
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
What are you talking about.... girls won pretty often. Three girls won in a row a few years back.... Also Kimmi didn't work with Monica because Monica showed she couldn't not be trusted. She changed her mind at the very last minute, thats why Kimmi didn't trust her. You don't want to go to the merge with someone who out of nowhere flips on the alliance.
I was referring more to BB when I said this is why girls don't win often. But even in Survivor I feel like the men are usually seen as more of a threat than the women are. A majority of the time the men find the idol, they make the moves/decisions, they control the alliance, they win immunity. Not all the time obviously. We have Tasha's and Natalies etc. But I just feel like if the girls were more opted to work with each other then a lot more of them would shine a lot more than they do now.
I feel like sometimes girls get threatened when they around strong girls or just girls who want to make smart/strategic moves. Neither Spencer or Kelly were in the alliance so it shouldn't have been that big of a deal to Kimmi. It wasn't like Monica suggested to vote off Jeremy or Fisbach. It was actually Kimmi who decided to flip on her alliance.
Monica didn't change her mind last minute. She just suggested a move to Kimmi that could have benefited both of them and Kimmi freaked out. Monica didn't even follow through with voting Spencer off. Why wouldn't Kimmi want to go to the merge with someone who was keen on working with the women.
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
What are you talking about.... girls won pretty often. Three girls won in a row a few years back.... Also Kimmi didn't work with Monica because Monica showed she couldn't not be trusted. She changed her mind at the very last minute, thats why Kimmi didn't trust her. You don't want to go to the merge with someone who out of nowhere flips on the alliance.
True. I think had Monica brought it up later or in a different fashion, it could have been better. Like if she campaign for Spencer to go intstead of Kelly and then reveal to Kimmi to an idea of girls alliance, Kimmi might havebeen down.
I think Kimmi just wanted a reason to get Monica out since they fought about the whole fishing situation and Kimmi felt that Monica was dead wrong.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
One World was guys vs girls so I wouldn't really count that. You have no option but to work with your gender up until the merge at least. But I agree about BB being worse with it.
That doesn't mean much, when in previous gender divided seasons things don't go like that at all.
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
What are you talking about.... girls won pretty often. Three girls won in a row a few years back.... Also Kimmi didn't work with Monica because Monica showed she couldn't not be trusted. She changed her mind at the very last minute, thats why Kimmi didn't trust her. You don't want to go to the merge with someone who out of nowhere flips on the alliance.
I was referring more to BB when I said this is why girls don't win often. But even in Survivor I feel like the men are usually seen as more of a threat than the women are. A majority of the time the men find the idol, they make the moves/decisions, they control the alliance, they win immunity. Not all the time obviously. We have Tasha's and Natalies etc. But I just feel like if the girls were more opted to work with each other then a lot more of them would shine a lot more than they do now.
I feel like sometimes girls get threatened when they around strong girls or just girls who want to make smart/strategic moves. Neither Spencer or Kelly were in the alliance so it shouldn't have been that big of a deal to Kimmi. It wasn't like Monica suggested to vote off Jeremy or Fisbach. It was actually Kimmi who decided to flip on her alliance.
Monica didn't change her mind last minute. She just suggested a move to Kimmi that could have benefited both of them and Kimmi freaked out. Monica didn't even follow through with voting Spencer off. Why wouldn't Kimmi want to go to the merge with someone who was keen on working with the women.
So are you saying females are generally better players then? I mean I'd say someone who can appear non thratening is playing a lot better than someone who's a target and can be indeitified as a threat. There's loads of great female players from Survivor in Sandra, Tina, Natalie (both winners), Danni, Denise, Kim, Sophie, and some really good ones like Trish, Ciera, Julie, Ami, Teresa, etc. I think it's pretty even as far as good male and female players in Survivor.
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
What are you talking about.... girls won pretty often. Three girls won in a row a few years back.... Also Kimmi didn't work with Monica because Monica showed she couldn't not be trusted. She changed her mind at the very last minute, thats why Kimmi didn't trust her. You don't want to go to the merge with someone who out of nowhere flips on the alliance.
True. I think had Monica brought it up later or in a different fashion, it could have been better. Like if she campaign for Spencer to go intstead of Kelly and then reveal to Kimmi to an idea of girls alliance, Kimmi might havebeen down.
I think Kimmi just wanted a reason to get Monica out since they fought about the whole fishing situation and Kimmi felt that Monica was dead wrong.
I can see how that can be true. Shame for Monica, good for Kelly.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
One World was guys vs girls so I wouldn't really count that. You have no option but to work with your gender up until the merge at least. But I agree about BB being worse with it.
That doesn't mean much, when in previous gender divided seasons things don't go like that at all.
There was another season besides One World that had an all male tribe and an all female tribe?
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
What are you talking about.... girls won pretty often. Three girls won in a row a few years back.... Also Kimmi didn't work with Monica because Monica showed she couldn't not be trusted. She changed her mind at the very last minute, thats why Kimmi didn't trust her. You don't want to go to the merge with someone who out of nowhere flips on the alliance.
I was referring more to BB when I said this is why girls don't win often. But even in Survivor I feel like the men are usually seen as more of a threat than the women are. A majority of the time the men find the idol, they make the moves/decisions, they control the alliance, they win immunity. Not all the time obviously. We have Tasha's and Natalies etc. But I just feel like if the girls were more opted to work with each other then a lot more of them would shine a lot more than they do now.
I feel like sometimes girls get threatened when they around strong girls or just girls who want to make smart/strategic moves. Neither Spencer or Kelly were in the alliance so it shouldn't have been that big of a deal to Kimmi. It wasn't like Monica suggested to vote off Jeremy or Fisbach. It was actually Kimmi who decided to flip on her alliance.
Monica didn't change her mind last minute. She just suggested a move to Kimmi that could have benefited both of them and Kimmi freaked out. Monica didn't even follow through with voting Spencer off. Why wouldn't Kimmi want to go to the merge with someone who was keen on working with the women.
So are you saying females are generally better players then? I mean I'd say someone who can appear non thratening is playing a lot better than someone who's a target and can be indeitified as a threat. There's loads of great female players from Survivor in Sandra, Tina, Natalie (both winners), Danni, Denise, Kim, Sophie, and some really good ones like Trish, Ciera, Julie, Ami, Teresa, etc. I think it's pretty even as far as good male and female players in Survivor.
If you consider that a better player then yes. I'm saying men generally get the more cutthroat, stand out, active, playing hard edit. Where women get more of a quiet and passive edit (whether it's how they play the game or how it's edited). Keep in mind this doesn't stand true for everyone. Obviously we have Natalie, Sandra, Kim, Sophie etc.
In this last episode when Monica wanted to make a move she felt was best she approached Kimmi. The move also included working with Kimmi but Kimmi felt threatened and felt that Monica was being a snake so she went to her alliance which happened to be two males and said that Monica had to go. If Jeremy went to Kimmi and said we should get out Spencer, Kimmi probably wouldn't have questioned it. Instead of getting two or more girls to work together it just feels like Kimmi reverted back to what the men wanted to do. As much as we've seen women working together here and there, I feel like this happens more often. Survivor has a 17 male winners and 13 female winners which is pretty good actually. Look how many women have won BB.
Ciera and Trish were memorable to me but they were only ok players. Trish just followed Tony's lead for the most part and Ciera just followed her mom/returning players lead until she decided to flip. I mean Tony flipped on Trish and his alliance twice and she still trusted him until he voted her out.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
One World was guys vs girls so I wouldn't really count that. You have no option but to work with your gender up until the merge at least. But I agree about BB being worse with it.
i hope you don't think that all-female crap would've panned out if not under Kim's leadership.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
One World was guys vs girls so I wouldn't really count that. You have no option but to work with your gender up until the merge at least. But I agree about BB being worse with it.
i hope you don't think that all-female crap would've panned out if not under Kim's leadership.
But One World had some pretty bad strategic players. Kim was oneof the very very few that played excellently. Men vs Women, what ever the theme may be, Kim would have still won the game.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
One World was guys vs girls so I wouldn't really count that. You have no option but to work with your gender up until the merge at least. But I agree about BB being worse with it.
i hope you don't think that all-female crap would've panned out if not under Kim's leadership.
Me? I'm the one saying all female alliances never really work
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
One World was guys vs girls so I wouldn't really count that. You have no option but to work with your gender up until the merge at least. But I agree about BB being worse with it.
That doesn't mean much, when in previous gender divided seasons things don't go like that at all.
Yeah, Amazon (season 6) and Vanutau (season 9).
There was another season besides One World that had an all male tribe and an all female tribe?
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
What are you talking about.... girls won pretty often. Three girls won in a row a few years back.... Also Kimmi didn't work with Monica because Monica showed she couldn't not be trusted. She changed her mind at the very last minute, thats why Kimmi didn't trust her. You don't want to go to the merge with someone who out of nowhere flips on the alliance.
I was referring more to BB when I said this is why girls don't win often. But even in Survivor I feel like the men are usually seen as more of a threat than the women are. A majority of the time the men find the idol, they make the moves/decisions, they control the alliance, they win immunity. Not all the time obviously. We have Tasha's and Natalies etc. But I just feel like if the girls were more opted to work with each other then a lot more of them would shine a lot more than they do now.
I feel like sometimes girls get threatened when they around strong girls or just girls who want to make smart/strategic moves. Neither Spencer or Kelly were in the alliance so it shouldn't have been that big of a deal to Kimmi. It wasn't like Monica suggested to vote off Jeremy or Fisbach. It was actually Kimmi who decided to flip on her alliance.
Monica didn't change her mind last minute. She just suggested a move to Kimmi that could have benefited both of them and Kimmi freaked out. Monica didn't even follow through with voting Spencer off. Why wouldn't Kimmi want to go to the merge with someone who was keen on working with the women.
So are you saying females are generally better players then? I mean I'd say someone who can appear non thratening is playing a lot better than someone who's a target and can be indeitified as a threat. There's loads of great female players from Survivor in Sandra, Tina, Natalie (both winners), Danni, Denise, Kim, Sophie, and some really good ones like Trish, Ciera, Julie, Ami, Teresa, etc. I think it's pretty even as far as good male and female players in Survivor.
If you consider that a better player then yes. I'm saying men generally get the more cutthroat, stand out, active, playing hard edit. Where women get more of a quiet and passive edit (whether it's how they play the game or how it's edited). Keep in mind this doesn't stand true for everyone. Obviously we have Natalie, Sandra, Kim, Sophie etc.
In this last episode when Monica wanted to make a move she felt was best she approached Kimmi. The move also included working with Kimmi but Kimmi felt threatened and felt that Monica was being a snake so she went to her alliance which happened to be two males and said that Monica had to go. If Jeremy went to Kimmi and said we should get out Spencer, Kimmi probably wouldn't have questioned it. Instead of getting two or more girls to work together it just feels like Kimmi reverted back to what the men wanted to do. As much as we've seen women working together here and there, I feel like this happens more often. Survivor has a 17 male winners and 13 female winners which is pretty good actually. Look how many women have won BB.
Ciera and Trish were memorable to me but they were only ok players. Trish just followed Tony's lead for the most part and Ciera just followed her mom/returning players lead until she decided to flip. I mean Tony flipped on Trish and his alliance twice and she still trusted him until he voted her out.
Women are generally underedited, which is a shame because there are a ton of great characters and players. Probst is pretty open in how sexist he can be when he's said things like "tehre just aren't that many good female characters" in an interview.
I agree on Monica/Kimmi actually, BB generally has bad casting and even more so with the women. 15 is the last season to have a really strong female cast with alpha personalities like Amanda, Helen, Aaryn, etc.
Trish was brilliant. She got the Cliff bot at 14 and pulled the biggest move in getting Kass to side with her group at the merge. She masterfully pulled Jefra back in at final 8 and was the glue that kept her alliance together. She was too trusting, but there was nothing wrong with her sticking with Tony when she'd beat him in a f2 and most people in Cagayn in a jury voite except Spencer. Trish played a great social game and had friends in Sarah, Morgan, LJ, Jeremiah, Jefra. How did Ciera follow her mom when Ciera was the one who was telling her mom how to play after the merge? Idk if you're thinking of Baylor/Missy. Ciera gets a bad rep for sticking with returnees, but they never showed how she wanted to flip on Tyson at final 8 but was turned down by Hayden/Caleb.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
One World was guys vs girls so I wouldn't really count that. You have no option but to work with your gender up until the merge at least. But I agree about BB being worse with it.
i hope you don't think that all-female crap would've panned out if not under Kim's leadership.
Taking out Kim makes that entire season off, but it still works with one of the other finalists as a winner.
Damn Jeff went in on Monica in that rewards lol. Like shit, poor Her lol.
Spencer is adrobs, killed that rewards (and Tasha for immunity) and him talking about feeling like Ozzy was cute while he was catching that baby *** fish. Like yes boo, feel proud no matter how small lmao.
im starting to like Woo more and more. But here comes Abi with her 2 cents. She's a character, I honestly couldn't believe what was happening during that heart transplant scene.
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
Eh..kinda sorta with that season.
But yeah..Monica ****** herself big time.
Yeah true lol but they did run the show for the most part. Vanuatu was basically all about the women and Chris.
im starting to like Woo more and more. But here comes Abi with her 2 cents. She's a character, I honestly couldn't believe what was happening during that heart transplant scene.
Lol right, Woo's saying how a person close to him died and then Abi's like... well I got a foreign object in my knee. (or sth like that)
So according to Jeremy and Stephen, Monica may have still went home even if Kimmi didn't told them about Monica planning a girls alliance. Or at least Kimmi told them before the challenge and they edited it to look like it was after. That's part of why the lot the immunity challenge. They didn't exactly throw it (or so they claim), but they didn't try their hardest either.
So according to Jeremy and Stephen, Monica may have still went home even if Kimmi didn't told them about Monica planning a girls alliance. Or at least Kimmi told them before the challenge and they edited it to look like it was after. That's part of why the lot the immunity challenge. They didn't exactly throw it (or so they claim), but they didn't try their hardest either.
How convenient that they have an excuse as to why they lost. What was their reasoning if it wasn't because of the girls alliance then?
So according to Jeremy and Stephen, Monica may have still went home even if Kimmi didn't told them about Monica planning a girls alliance. Or at least Kimmi told them before the challenge and they edited it to look like it was after. That's part of why the lot the immunity challenge. They didn't exactly throw it (or so they claim), but they didn't try their hardest either.
How convenient that they have an excuse as to why they lost. What was their reasoning if it wasn't because of the girls alliance then?
I don't know, I guess she was just on the bottom of Bayon and they thought they couldn't trust her? But it's still stupid because Wiglesworth has people on the other side waiting for her.
Here's Jeremy's tweet:
EDIT - don't read the comments to the tweet if you don't want to be spoiled about the possible medevac that happens next episode.
Nooo
I was low key rooting for Monica
But it's better her than Kelly.
It's amazing how a "girls alliance" almost never works out on Survivor or even BB. Voting Spencer out and Working with Monica/Kelly and reuniting with the girls at the merge could have benefited Kimmi and if it didn't it could provide for another female win. Yet, every time someone brings up a girls alliance to another girl, that girl flips out and tells the men. This is why girs don't win that often.
However, it worked out in my favor because I'm glad Spencer/Kelly stayed and Monica went home. She seemed irrelevant so far.
Totally agree. I was annoyed with Kimmi this episode, but I'm glad Kelly didn't go home. I am actually in the minority and would've been okay if Spencer went home. But I'm very confused at Bayon's strategies.
I thought, the idea of having a girls alliance could have been beneficial, and if Kimmi wasn't ready for it just yet, she should have gone along with Monica and take out Spencer, an outsider. It keeps the number of the men down, but she also perserves all her original four members. Although taking out Monica is better for the team cause she sucked anyways and Spencer is much more beneficial. (But I don't think they thought about what makes the tribe stronger, since they were dead set on taking out Spencer/Kelly before Monica opened her mouth.)
I also don't understand why throwing Kelly under the bus is going to help Spencer in the long run on this tribe. Instead of dragging in an outsider to even the numbers. Kicking Kelly out will only postpone the inevitable of him being voting out too. But I guess since the original four were soooo soooo "tight" he was afriad that trying to make one flip would put a target on his back immediately.
Monica is a *******, she should have saidnothing about a girls alliance and just campaign to vote Spencer out. Then see later, what Kimmi thought about it.
Lack of strong leadership/competent players is why girl's alliances never work. But when the strong leadership is there, it tends to do pretty well (Micronesia, One World)
Girls alliances are pretty successful in Survivor actually with Vanuatu, Micronesia, and One World. Survivor usually has mixed alliances of men and women so I'd say it's more BB where the females can never get together. Survivor generally casts a lot better than Big Brother especially with females. The male to female winner ratio is 17 to 13 so I think they're doing fine there.
Eh..kinda sorta with that season.
But yeah..Monica ****** herself big time.
Yeah true lol but they did run the show for the most part. Vanuatu was basically all about the women and Chris.
What are you talking about.... girls won pretty often. Three girls won in a row a few years back....
Also Kimmi didn't work with Monica because Monica showed she couldn't not be trusted. She changed her mind at the very last minute, thats why Kimmi didn't trust her. You don't want to go to the merge with someone who out of nowhere flips on the alliance.
True. I think had Monica brought it up later or in a different fashion, it could have been better. Like if she campaign for Spencer to go intstead of Kelly and then reveal to Kimmi to an idea of girls alliance, Kimmi might havebeen down.
One World was guys vs girls so I wouldn't really count that. You have no option but to work with your gender up until the merge at least. But I agree about BB being worse with it.
I was referring more to BB when I said this is why girls don't win often. But even in Survivor I feel like the men are usually seen as more of a threat than the women are. A majority of the time the men find the idol, they make the moves/decisions, they control the alliance, they win immunity. Not all the time obviously. We have Tasha's and Natalies etc. But I just feel like if the girls were more opted to work with each other then a lot more of them would shine a lot more than they do now.
I feel like sometimes girls get threatened when they around strong girls or just girls who want to make smart/strategic moves. Neither Spencer or Kelly were in the alliance so it shouldn't have been that big of a deal to Kimmi. It wasn't like Monica suggested to vote off Jeremy or Fisbach. It was actually Kimmi who decided to flip on her alliance.
Monica didn't change her mind last minute. She just suggested a move to Kimmi that could have benefited both of them and Kimmi freaked out. Monica didn't even follow through with voting Spencer off. Why wouldn't Kimmi want to go to the merge with someone who was keen on working with the women.
I think Kimmi just wanted a reason to get Monica out since they fought about the whole fishing situation and Kimmi felt that Monica was dead wrong.
That doesn't mean much, when in previous gender divided seasons things don't go like that at all.
So are you saying females are generally better players then? I mean I'd say someone who can appear non thratening is playing a lot better than someone who's a target and can be indeitified as a threat. There's loads of great female players from Survivor in Sandra, Tina, Natalie (both winners), Danni, Denise, Kim, Sophie, and some really good ones like Trish, Ciera, Julie, Ami, Teresa, etc. I think it's pretty even as far as good male and female players in Survivor.
I can see how that can be true. Shame for Monica, good for Kelly.
There was another season besides One World that had an all male tribe and an all female tribe?
If you consider that a better player then yes. I'm saying men generally get the more cutthroat, stand out, active, playing hard edit. Where women get more of a quiet and passive edit (whether it's how they play the game or how it's edited). Keep in mind this doesn't stand true for everyone. Obviously we have Natalie, Sandra, Kim, Sophie etc.
In this last episode when Monica wanted to make a move she felt was best she approached Kimmi. The move also included working with Kimmi but Kimmi felt threatened and felt that Monica was being a snake so she went to her alliance which happened to be two males and said that Monica had to go. If Jeremy went to Kimmi and said we should get out Spencer, Kimmi probably wouldn't have questioned it. Instead of getting two or more girls to work together it just feels like Kimmi reverted back to what the men wanted to do. As much as we've seen women working together here and there, I feel like this happens more often. Survivor has a 17 male winners and 13 female winners which is pretty good actually. Look how many women have won BB.
Ciera and Trish were memorable to me but they were only ok players. Trish just followed Tony's lead for the most part and Ciera just followed her mom/returning players lead until she decided to flip. I mean Tony flipped on Trish and his alliance twice and she still trusted him until he voted her out.
i hope you don't think that all-female crap would've panned out if not under Kim's leadership.
But One World had some pretty bad strategic players. Kim was oneof the very very few that played excellently. Men vs Women, what ever the theme may be, Kim would have still won the game.
Me? I'm the one saying all female alliances never really work
WAY off topic, but I can't find the Movie Thread on Vevmo and I'm a bit antiquated to know to monuver around here. Can someone help?
Women are generally underedited, which is a shame because there are a ton of great characters and players. Probst is pretty open in how sexist he can be when he's said things like "tehre just aren't that many good female characters" in an interview.
I agree on Monica/Kimmi actually, BB generally has bad casting and even more so with the women. 15 is the last season to have a really strong female cast with alpha personalities like Amanda, Helen, Aaryn, etc.
Trish was brilliant. She got the Cliff bot at 14 and pulled the biggest move in getting Kass to side with her group at the merge. She masterfully pulled Jefra back in at final 8 and was the glue that kept her alliance together. She was too trusting, but there was nothing wrong with her sticking with Tony when she'd beat him in a f2 and most people in Cagayn in a jury voite except Spencer. Trish played a great social game and had friends in Sarah, Morgan, LJ, Jeremiah, Jefra. How did Ciera follow her mom when Ciera was the one who was telling her mom how to play after the merge? Idk if you're thinking of Baylor/Missy. Ciera gets a bad rep for sticking with returnees, but they never showed how she wanted to flip on Tyson at final 8 but was turned down by Hayden/Caleb.
Taking out Kim makes that entire season off, but it still works with one of the other finalists as a winner.
Damn Jeff went in on Monica in that rewards lol. Like shit, poor Her lol.
Spencer is adrobs, killed that rewards (and Tasha for immunity) and him talking about feeling like Ozzy was cute while he was catching that baby *** fish. Like yes boo, feel proud no matter how small lmao.
im starting to like Woo more and more. But here comes Abi with her 2 cents. She's a character, I honestly couldn't believe what was happening during that heart transplant scene.
Oh yeah. I see why you put that season there.
Lol right, Woo's saying how a person close to him died and then Abi's like... well I got a foreign object in my knee. (or sth like that)
So according to Jeremy and Stephen, Monica may have still went home even if Kimmi didn't told them about Monica planning a girls alliance. Or at least Kimmi told them before the challenge and they edited it to look like it was after. That's part of why the lot the immunity challenge. They didn't exactly throw it (or so they claim), but they didn't try their hardest either.
How convenient that they have an excuse as to why they lost. What was their reasoning if it wasn't because of the girls alliance then?
I don't know, I guess she was just on the bottom of Bayon and they thought they couldn't trust her? But it's still stupid because Wiglesworth has people on the other side waiting for her.
Here's Jeremy's tweet:
EDIT - don't read the comments to the tweet if you don't want to be spoiled about the possible medevac that happens next episode.
https://twitter.com/jeremy2collins/status/657017150138417152
They probably just used the girls alliance for better storytelling (though it's still probably a good reason why she left).
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