My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
Gee no shit sherlock. It's pretty obvious people on this show allow others to run the game and what I'm saying is people need to STOP doing that. Everyone has the ability to win challenges/eliminations but they allow others to control their game and make dumb decisions. If everyone fights for that first place spot noone would be able to run anything.
And I highly doubt that they were the largets alliance. Everyone on that challlenge had alliances too. Austin just made the mistake of being open about it.
But almost everyone is fighting for the first place spot, but usually the ones that run the game are the best people there which is pretty normal.
Coming into the game, they were from the same season, those were four teams, anybody with half a brain should go for the ones with a clear alliance and not make go for anybody else, because he would become the last person on the totem pole...
No. The people who run the game are allowed too. Most of the time they aren't even the best and can be beaten.
But if they didn't have an alliance with each other then they still would've been targeted regardless.
To control anything you have to win...if they aren't even the best and can be beaten then beat them and take control
Brittini had no problem getting into the inner circle on The Duel 2--you don't have to be a veteran to be protected...you have to play the game and win missions...if you don't win you should go to eliminations and earn your stay. Wes did even with Casey as his partner
I must say though, it helped that The Duel 2 favored the rookie girls because, ultimately, there were loads of partner challenges. Getting in the "inner circle" on that season isn't a feat for a girl in my honest opinion.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
This is what I would want and would love honestly. If everyone is on the same level(or close to it) it makes the comeptition more unpredictable, interesting, and worth caring about. And we'd probably see more people make moves too.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
This is what I would want and would love honestly. If everyone is on the same level(or close to it) it makes the comeptition more unpredictable, interesting, and worth caring about. And we'd probably see more people make moves too.
Exactly. A season where someone like Jonna can actually thrive, make a final, and win.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
This is what I would want and would love honestly. If everyone is on the same level(or close to it) it makes the comeptition more unpredictable, interesting, and worth caring about. And we'd probably see more people make moves too.
You always need a mix of elite and weak player on a show, you need sheeps/pawns as well as multiple kings. You will never have and should never have just average people on your show, because it will lose it's appealing. One big name can help the entire cast to get acceptance in the eyes of the viewer. You always need to have you big names there too (like Sarah/Wes/Alton on seasons), your elite players or people that seem to be favorite to win, because in the end the best stories are always those were someone who was looked as weak over come and win and the challenge is in the end you're favorites to compete against each other. And quite frankly every season was very well balanaced both cast and challenge-wise. The last one I remember that wasn't was Ruins and Rivals2 on the female side, but even on the Ruins then, CT was rumored to be cast (since Shauvon, Diem and Adam were in it too) and was close to it and if he would get cast, he would've helped that challenger team big team.
Speaking of when was a challenge not an even playing field on paper? You see here a landslide domination or unfair match-ups?
Fresh Meat 2--Kenny,Wes,Landon, Darrell, Paula,Jenn,Evelyn,Jilian and Sarah. Pretty equal cast and challenges that never really favorited anyone on paper. It was luck that Kenny/Darrell drew 1 and 3.
Cutthroat no question
Rivals --Kenny/Wes, Tyler/Bananas, CT/Adam, Ty/Brandon, Evan/Nehemiah, Leroy/Michael (who was above average in swimming/puzzles than most of these guys) same with Evelyn/Paula, Laurel/CaraMaria, Jenn/Mandi, Aneesa/Robin, Camilla/Theresa. Pretty equal cast and challenges that any of those teams could've won.
Exes 1--CT/Diem, Camilla/Bananas, Mark/Robin, CaraMaria/Abram, Ty/Emily, Dunbar/Paula. Pretty equal and challenges where anybody could win.
Seasons2 --- San Diego, Las Vegas, Cancun, Austin, Fresh Meat with Brooklyn as the average team. The same with the challenges.
Rivals 2- CT/Wes, Frank/Bananas, Jordan/Marlon, Ty/Leroy, Zach/Trey same with Emily/Paula, Cara Maria/Cooke, Jemmye/Camilla was also pretty good team, Diem/Aneesa (regarding finals and puzzles wayyy about the other two). Probably the only season where one can see a dominance, but I think if Diem/Anessa would've made that final instead of Jemmye/Camilla, I think that first round would've end it differenty.
FA- pretty much the entire guys cast, Laurel/Theresa/Nany/Camilla/Aneesa/CaraMaria(especially since they compete in different teams) and eventhough Zach cost Laurel some time, Nany held her own in that final
Exes2- Bananas/Nany, Wes/Theresa, Leroy/Nia, Zach/Jonna, Jordan/Sarah, CT/Diem with Reily/Averey as a dark horse team all very equal teams and also the challenges were pretty open to win.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
This is what I would want and would love honestly. If everyone is on the same level(or close to it) it makes the comeptition more unpredictable, interesting, and worth caring about. And we'd probably see more people make moves too.
You always need a mix of elite and weak player on a show, you need sheeps/pawns as well as multiple kings. You will never have and should never have just average people on your show, because it will lose it's appealing. One big name can help the entire cast to get acceptance in the eyes of the viewer. You always need to have you big names there too (like Sarah/Wes/Alton on seasons), your elite players or people that seem to be favorite to win, because in the end the best stories are always those were someone who was looked as weak over come and win and the challenge is in the end you're favorites to compete against each other. And quite frankly every season was very well balanaced both cast and challenge-wise. The last one I remember that wasn't was Ruins and Rivals2 on the female side, but even on the Ruins then, CT was rumored to be cast (since Shauvon, Diem and Adam were in it too) and was close to it and if he would get cast, he would've helped that challenger team big team.
Speaking of when was a challenge not an even playing field on paper? You see here a landslide domination or unfair match-ups?
Fresh Meat 2--Kenny,Wes,Landon, Darrell, Paula,Jenn,Evelyn,Jilian and Sarah. Pretty equal cast and challenges that never really favorited anyone on paper. It was luck that Kenny/Darrell drew 1 and 3.
Cutthroat no question
Rivals --Kenny/Wes, Tyler/Bananas, CT/Adam, Ty/Brandon, Evan/Nehemiah, Leroy/Michael (who was above average in swimming/puzzles than most of these guys) same with Evelyn/Paula, Laurel/CaraMaria, Jenn/Mandi, Aneesa/Robin, Camilla/Theresa. Pretty equal cast and challenges that any of those teams could've won.
Exes 1--CT/Diem, Camilla/Bananas, Mark/Robin, CaraMaria/Abram, Ty/Emily, Dunbar/Paula. Pretty equal and challenges where anybody could win.
Seasons2 --- San Diego, Las Vegas, Cancun, Austin, Fresh Meat with Brooklyn as the average team. The same with the challenges.
Rivals 2- CT/Wes, Frank/Bananas, Jordan/Marlon, Ty/Leroy, Zach/Trey same with Emily/Paula, Cara Maria/Cooke, Jemmye/Camilla was also pretty good team, Diem/Aneesa (regarding finals and puzzles wayyy about the other two). Probably the only season where one can see a dominance, but I think if Diem/Anessa would've made that final instead of Jemmye/Camilla, I think that first round would've end it differenty.
FA- pretty much the entire guys cast, Laurel/Theresa/Nany/Camilla/Aneesa/CaraMaria(especially since they compete in different teams) and eventhough Zach cost Laurel some time, Nany held her own in that final
Exes2- Bananas/Nany, Wes/Theresa, Leroy/Nia, Zach/Jonna, Jordan/Sarah, CT/Diem with Reily/Averey as a dark horse team all very equal teams and also the challenges were pretty open to win.
No. you don't need a mix of elite/weak/decent players. Because more often than not the elite ones end up steamrolling everyone else. Look at Laurel on Free Agents. Noone was able to touch her. Same thing with The Duel 2 on the female side. I mean sure people can beat the odds but when was the last time that happened? When was the last time someone who is seen as weak beat everyone in her path went to the end and won? It's so much better when everyone is on the same level because then you get a more interesting game and show. The game is more up for grabs and there's noone you can point to and say "they'll win it's obvious"...That doens't bode well for this show or any other show for that matter and it makes it pointless to watch when everyone knows the outcome in the first episode. When there is equal footing(or close to it) things are more interesting. The Gauntlet 2 is a good example of this. The teams were equal in strenth so it made for a good back and forth and it realy helped in making the seasons good.
And no..Not every challenge had a good mix. are you really gonna sit here and tell me that Rivals 1/Exes 1/Seasons 2/Rivals 2/Free Agents had a good mix of old and new people? Because really they didn't. They had more or less the same **** people on everytime(with less than a handful of rookies) and you can't tell me otherwise.
And no not every season has a even playing field of players. If they did noone would really dominate on these shows. In most of the early seasons Road Rules were stronger than the Real Worlders and it showed in eliminations and challenges. In most of the pair seasons there is that one team that is clealry stronger than the others or there is a group of strong teams and there is a group of weaker teams. There has NEVER been and equal set of teams in strenth. The only ones I can think of that had it is again The Gauntlet 2. All those seasons you listed did not have an equal playinf field in terms of strenth.
AYTO - who ******* cares? Don't want them on a BOTSeasons but they would find a way to put them in. The only cast members I know from AYTO are the ones that competed in Exes 2.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
That's unrealistic, there will always be people who suck and who are great. The best ones of those unproven will probably dominate.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
This is what I would want and would love honestly. If everyone is on the same level(or close to it) it makes the comeptition more unpredictable, interesting, and worth caring about. And we'd probably see more people make moves too.
You always need a mix of elite and weak player on a show, you need sheeps/pawns as well as multiple kings. You will never have and should never have just average people on your show, because it will lose it's appealing. One big name can help the entire cast to get acceptance in the eyes of the viewer. You always need to have you big names there too (like Sarah/Wes/Alton on seasons), your elite players or people that seem to be favorite to win, because in the end the best stories are always those were someone who was looked as weak over come and win and the challenge is in the end you're favorites to compete against each other. And quite frankly every season was very well balanaced both cast and challenge-wise. The last one I remember that wasn't was Ruins and Rivals2 on the female side, but even on the Ruins then, CT was rumored to be cast (since Shauvon, Diem and Adam were in it too) and was close to it and if he would get cast, he would've helped that challenger team big team.
Speaking of when was a challenge not an even playing field on paper? You see here a landslide domination or unfair match-ups?
Fresh Meat 2--Kenny,Wes,Landon, Darrell, Paula,Jenn,Evelyn,Jilian and Sarah. Pretty equal cast and challenges that never really favorited anyone on paper. It was luck that Kenny/Darrell drew 1 and 3.
Cutthroat no question
Rivals --Kenny/Wes, Tyler/Bananas, CT/Adam, Ty/Brandon, Evan/Nehemiah, Leroy/Michael (who was above average in swimming/puzzles than most of these guys) same with Evelyn/Paula, Laurel/CaraMaria, Jenn/Mandi, Aneesa/Robin, Camilla/Theresa. Pretty equal cast and challenges that any of those teams could've won.
Exes 1--CT/Diem, Camilla/Bananas, Mark/Robin, CaraMaria/Abram, Ty/Emily, Dunbar/Paula. Pretty equal and challenges where anybody could win.
Seasons2 --- San Diego, Las Vegas, Cancun, Austin, Fresh Meat with Brooklyn as the average team. The same with the challenges.
Rivals 2- CT/Wes, Frank/Bananas, Jordan/Marlon, Ty/Leroy, Zach/Trey same with Emily/Paula, Cara Maria/Cooke, Jemmye/Camilla was also pretty good team, Diem/Aneesa (regarding finals and puzzles wayyy about the other two). Probably the only season where one can see a dominance, but I think if Diem/Anessa would've made that final instead of Jemmye/Camilla, I think that first round would've end it differenty.
FA- pretty much the entire guys cast, Laurel/Theresa/Nany/Camilla/Aneesa/CaraMaria(especially since they compete in different teams) and eventhough Zach cost Laurel some time, Nany held her own in that final
Exes2- Bananas/Nany, Wes/Theresa, Leroy/Nia, Zach/Jonna, Jordan/Sarah, CT/Diem with Reily/Averey as a dark horse team all very equal teams and also the challenges were pretty open to win.
No. you don't need a mix of elite/weak/decent players. Because more often than not the elite ones end up steamrolling everyone else. Look at Laurel on Free Agents. Noone was able to touch her. Same thing with The Duel 2 on the female side. I mean sure people can beat the odds but when was the last time that happened? When was the last time someone who is seen as weak beat everyone in her path went to the end and won? It's so much better when everyone is on the same level because then you get a more interesting game and show. The game is more up for grabs and there's noone you can point to and say "they'll win it's obvious"...That doens't bode well for this show or any other show for that matter and it makes it pointless to watch when everyone knows the outcome in the first episode. When there is equal footing(or close to it) things are more interesting. The Gauntlet 2 is a good example of this. The teams were equal in strenth so it made for a good back and forth and it realy helped in making the seasons good.
And no..Not every challenge had a good mix. are you really gonna sit here and tell me that Rivals 1/Exes 1/Seasons 2/Rivals 2/Free Agents had a good mix of old and new people? Because really they didn't. They had more or less the same **** people on everytime(with less than a handful of rookies) and you can't tell me otherwise.
And no not every season has a even playing field of players. If they did noone would really dominate on these shows. In most of the early seasons Road Rules were stronger than the Real Worlders and it showed in eliminations and challenges. In most of the pair seasons there is that one team that is clealry stronger than the others or there is a group of strong teams and there is a group of weaker teams. There has NEVER been and equal set of teams in strenth. The only ones I can think of that had it is again The Gauntlet 2. All those seasons you listed did not have an equal playinf field in terms of strenth.
See, there's / was and will ever be a mix.....
You will always have a mix of elite/weak/decent players on your show and you should imo. It won't work if you have just elite players (technically this will never happen since even in the elite players someone is always better than the elite player), it won't work if you have just weak players and it certainly won't work if you have just average player on your cast list, because a cast with just average players is not as interesting for the casual viewer if the cast doesn't have elite players in it. The winner of that average season with no elite players, will still be average in the end if his competition was just like him...average. If you want to be viewed as good/elite/best, you have to beat good/elite/best players. Basic formula on almost every competition (show) and just look at the daily challenges on these last seasons, more challenges were pretty open to win for everbody than those that weren't, they were up for grabs. Challenges/finals/even elimination also always have those equalizer in it, where even teams/people that seem to be weak can win them. Some call it puzzles, some food challenges or some stamina missions.
And since you took Laurel as an example, for someone that was untouchable, she went into wayyy to many elimination rounds and won two barely (Aneesa and Theresa) and Cara Maria certainly would've given her a lot more trouble if she hadn't participate with a broken arm. And Nany almost beat her in the last part of the final on that volcano, a part where Zach wasn't involved.
You seem to think that elite players means old players, because otherwise, I don't understand why you're talking about old/new people here? I don't understand it sometimes, people complain about Wes/Bananas/CT/Paula/Sarah/Cara Maria for doing way to many challenges and usually they say, because they have the biggest fan base, but guess what they had to build their fan bases first and in order to help people to build a fan base, you have to cast them 1,2,3,4 challenges in a row which is why you cast them as your core group. Those six people are just exceptions as to Bananas just happens to win two in a row with Rivals and Exes who were the most succesful season in this past five years. Same with Paula after her never ending losing streak, CT/Cara Maria were the biggest fan favorites after Cutthroat/Rivals, Wes was always the only one that was willingly to play the game and make unexpected moves (you always need one of his mindset too), Sarah constantly had bad luck.The first time they didn't incorporate most people with fan bases, but most with absolutely no fan base/average players/even playing field (which is what most of you guys actually want)....the ratings went downhill that was BOTS2.
On paper every season since Fresh Meat 2 (with Rivals 2 girls side) was an open playing field, cast wise and challenge wise. The producer always created daily challenges that literally most of the teams could've won that.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
That's unrealistic, there will always be people who suck and who are great. The best ones of those unproven will probably dominate.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
That's unrealistic, there will always be people who suck and who are great. The best ones of those unproven will probably dominate.
And it's urealisitc to have an all-elite playes cast too but some people seem to want that.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
That's unrealistic, there will always be people who suck and who are great. The best ones of those unproven will probably dominate.
And it's urealisitc to have an all-elite playes cast too but some people seem to want that.
Nobody ever said they wanted a all elite season, just not punish people for being great competitors
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
This is what I would want and would love honestly. If everyone is on the same level(or close to it) it makes the comeptition more unpredictable, interesting, and worth caring about. And we'd probably see more people make moves too.
You always need a mix of elite and weak player on a show, you need sheeps/pawns as well as multiple kings. You will never have and should never have just average people on your show, because it will lose it's appealing. One big name can help the entire cast to get acceptance in the eyes of the viewer. You always need to have you big names there too (like Sarah/Wes/Alton on seasons), your elite players or people that seem to be favorite to win, because in the end the best stories are always those were someone who was looked as weak over come and win and the challenge is in the end you're favorites to compete against each other. And quite frankly every season was very well balanaced both cast and challenge-wise. The last one I remember that wasn't was Ruins and Rivals2 on the female side, but even on the Ruins then, CT was rumored to be cast (since Shauvon, Diem and Adam were in it too) and was close to it and if he would get cast, he would've helped that challenger team big team.
Speaking of when was a challenge not an even playing field on paper? You see here a landslide domination or unfair match-ups?
Fresh Meat 2--Kenny,Wes,Landon, Darrell, Paula,Jenn,Evelyn,Jilian and Sarah. Pretty equal cast and challenges that never really favorited anyone on paper. It was luck that Kenny/Darrell drew 1 and 3.
Cutthroat no question
Rivals --Kenny/Wes, Tyler/Bananas, CT/Adam, Ty/Brandon, Evan/Nehemiah, Leroy/Michael (who was above average in swimming/puzzles than most of these guys) same with Evelyn/Paula, Laurel/CaraMaria, Jenn/Mandi, Aneesa/Robin, Camilla/Theresa. Pretty equal cast and challenges that any of those teams could've won.
Exes 1--CT/Diem, Camilla/Bananas, Mark/Robin, CaraMaria/Abram, Ty/Emily, Dunbar/Paula. Pretty equal and challenges where anybody could win.
Seasons2 --- San Diego, Las Vegas, Cancun, Austin, Fresh Meat with Brooklyn as the average team. The same with the challenges.
Rivals 2- CT/Wes, Frank/Bananas, Jordan/Marlon, Ty/Leroy, Zach/Trey same with Emily/Paula, Cara Maria/Cooke, Jemmye/Camilla was also pretty good team, Diem/Aneesa (regarding finals and puzzles wayyy about the other two). Probably the only season where one can see a dominance, but I think if Diem/Anessa would've made that final instead of Jemmye/Camilla, I think that first round would've end it differenty.
FA- pretty much the entire guys cast, Laurel/Theresa/Nany/Camilla/Aneesa/CaraMaria(especially since they compete in different teams) and eventhough Zach cost Laurel some time, Nany held her own in that final
Exes2- Bananas/Nany, Wes/Theresa, Leroy/Nia, Zach/Jonna, Jordan/Sarah, CT/Diem with Reily/Averey as a dark horse team all very equal teams and also the challenges were pretty open to win.
No. you don't need a mix of elite/weak/decent players. Because more often than not the elite ones end up steamrolling everyone else. Look at Laurel on Free Agents. Noone was able to touch her. Same thing with The Duel 2 on the female side. I mean sure people can beat the odds but when was the last time that happened? When was the last time someone who is seen as weak beat everyone in her path went to the end and won? It's so much better when everyone is on the same level because then you get a more interesting game and show. The game is more up for grabs and there's noone you can point to and say "they'll win it's obvious"...That doens't bode well for this show or any other show for that matter and it makes it pointless to watch when everyone knows the outcome in the first episode. When there is equal footing(or close to it) things are more interesting. The Gauntlet 2 is a good example of this. The teams were equal in strenth so it made for a good back and forth and it realy helped in making the seasons good.
And no..Not every challenge had a good mix. are you really gonna sit here and tell me that Rivals 1/Exes 1/Seasons 2/Rivals 2/Free Agents had a good mix of old and new people? Because really they didn't. They had more or less the same **** people on everytime(with less than a handful of rookies) and you can't tell me otherwise.
And no not every season has a even playing field of players. If they did noone would really dominate on these shows. In most of the early seasons Road Rules were stronger than the Real Worlders and it showed in eliminations and challenges. In most of the pair seasons there is that one team that is clealry stronger than the others or there is a group of strong teams and there is a group of weaker teams. There has NEVER been and equal set of teams in strenth. The only ones I can think of that had it is again The Gauntlet 2. All those seasons you listed did not have an equal playinf field in terms of strenth.
See, there's / was and will ever be a mix.....
You will always have a mix of elite/weak/decent players on your show and you should imo. It won't work if you have just elite players (technically this will never happen since even in the elite players someone is always better than the elite player), it won't work if you have just weak players and it certainly won't work if you have just average player on your cast list, because a cast with just average players is not as interesting for the casual viewer if the cast doesn't have elite players in it. The winner of that average season with no elite players, will still be average in the end if his competition was just like him...average. If you want to be viewed as good/elite/best, you have to beat good/elite/best players. Basic formula on almost every competition (show) and just look at the daily challenges on these last seasons, more challenges were pretty open to win for everbody than those that weren't, they were up for grabs. Challenges/finals/even elimination also always have those equalizer in it, where even teams/people that seem to be weak can win them. Some call it puzzles, some food challenges or some stamina missions.
And since you took Laurel as an example, for someone that was untouchable, she went into wayyy to many elimination rounds and won two barely (Aneesa and Theresa) and Cara Maria certainly would've given her a lot more trouble if she hadn't participate with a broken arm. And Nany almost beat her in the last part of the final on that volcano, a part where Zach wasn't involved.
You seem to think that elite players means old players, because otherwise, I don't understand why you're talking about old/new people here? I don't understand it sometimes, people complain about Wes/Bananas/CT/Paula/Sarah/Cara Maria for doing way to many challenges and usually they say, because they have the biggest fan base, but guess what they had to build their fan bases first and in order to help people to build a fan base, you have to cast them 1,2,3,4 challenges in a row which is why you cast them as your core group. Those six people are just exceptions as to Bananas just happens to win two in a row with Rivals and Exes who were the most succesful season in this past five years. Same with Paula after her never ending losing streak, CT/Cara Maria were the biggest fan favorites after Cutthroat/Rivals, Wes was always the only one that was willingly to play the game and make unexpected moves (you always need one of his mindset too), Sarah constantly had bad luck.The first time they didn't incorporate most people with fan bases, but most with absolutely no fan base/average players/even playing field (which is what most of you guys actually want)....the ratings went downhill that was BOTS2.
On paper every season since Fresh Meat 2 (with Rivals 2 girls side) was an open playing field, cast wise and challenge wise. The producer always created daily challenges that literally most of the teams could've won that.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
That's unrealistic, there will always be people who suck and who are great. The best ones of those unproven will probably dominate.
You're giving Cara Maria way too much credit. She wouldn't have beaten Laurel even if her hand wasn't broken.
And yes people do complain about those people you listed doing too many challenges and you know why? Because it's not needed. It was never needed for them to do 7/8/9/10 challenges in a row. You're right in that people on this show need to build up a fan base but that can be done without shoving them down the viewer's throat every.single.challenge. Having a core group on a show like this is stupid because what happens when that core group of people move on and leave the show? You gotta realize that when people are casted for this show a dozen times in a row viewers get dependent and attached to that person and won't watch the show without them. What happens when that person leaves? What if he/she moves on? Several people who have had a following stopped doing these shows and moved on. You gotta think about stuff like that. That's why Backpack/CT/Wes is casted every season now. That's why Battle of the Seasons 2 did so bad in ratings. This show is supposed to showcase a different cast every season not just the same group that was on the last 10 challenges with a handful of new people.
And no. I don't think that Elite=Old-Schooler although many of them were good competitiors.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
That's unrealistic, there will always be people who suck and who are great. The best ones of those unproven will probably dominate.
And it's urealisitc to have an all-elite playes cast too but some people seem to want that.
Nobody ever said they wanted a all elite season, just not punish people for being great competitors
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
This would be refreshing
Exes 2 has been mostly drama based on competition.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
That's unrealistic, there will always be people who suck and who are great. The best ones of those unproven will probably dominate.
And it's urealisitc to have an all-elite playes cast too but some people seem to want that.
Nobody ever said they wanted a all elite season, just not punish people for being great competitors
Yes they have. Several times.
Everyone knows you can't have a season with the best if the best tho, because Evelyn & Landon are done.
I don't see the appeal of watching a bunch of scrubs face off when you could get a epic match up of two good competitors.
I mean really who would people rather see in a elimination, Jay vs Preston or CT vs Zach?
If you say jay vs Preston than you clearly don't value competition.
I mean really who would people rather see in a elimination, Jay vs Preston or CT vs Zach?
If you say jay vs Preston than you clearly don't value competition.
Jay vs Preston could be great for all we know. LaToya vs Jemmye is all the proof needed to show that players on or near the same level can provide highly entertaining eliminations. It's the shock factor. CT vs Zach would be predictable, just like Laurel vs Aneesa.
I mean really who would people rather see in a elimination, Jay vs Preston or CT vs Zach? If you say jay vs Preston than you clearly don't value competition.
Jay vs Preston could be great for all we know. LaToya vs Jemmye is all the proof needed to show that players on or near the same level can provide highly entertaining eliminations. It's the shock factor. CT vs Zach would be predictable, just like Laurel vs Aneesa.
I thought Jemmye vs. LaToya was one of the best female eliminations ever.
I mean really who would people rather see in a elimination, Jay vs Preston or CT vs Zach?
If you say jay vs Preston than you clearly don't value competition.
Jay vs Preston could be great for all we know. LaToya vs Jemmye is all the proof needed to show that players on or near the same level can provide highly entertaining eliminations. It's the shock factor. CT vs Zach would be predictable, just like Laurel vs Aneesa.
Aneesa vs Laurel wasn't predictable , Aneesa almost tied it.
CT vs Zach isn't predictable , either of them could win...
Yeah the day Jay vs Preston is better than CT vs Zach is the day **** freezes over.
I mean really who would people rather see in a elimination, Jay vs Preston or CT vs Zach? If you say jay vs Preston than you clearly don't value competition.
Jay vs Preston could be great for all we know. LaToya vs Jemmye is all the proof needed to show that players on or near the same level can provide highly entertaining eliminations. It's the shock factor. CT vs Zach would be predictable, just like Laurel vs Aneesa.
I thought Jemmye vs. LaToya was one of the best female eliminations ever.
I mean really who would people rather see in a elimination, Jay vs Preston or CT vs Zach? If you say jay vs Preston than you clearly don't value competition.
Jay vs Preston could be great for all we know. LaToya vs Jemmye is all the proof needed to show that players on or near the same level can provide highly entertaining eliminations. It's the shock factor. CT vs Zach would be predictable, just like Laurel vs Aneesa.
I thought Jemmye vs. LaToya was one of the best female eliminations ever.
It was great but I think we just thought that after two seasons of shitty girl eliminations, I think Nany vs Theresa was better especially given the perfect way it ended the storyline.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
That's unrealistic, there will always be people who suck and who are great. The best ones of those unproven will probably dominate.
And it's urealisitc to have an all-elite playes cast too but some people seem to want that.
Nobody ever said they wanted a all elite season, just not punish people for being great competitors
Yes they have. Several times.
Everyone knows you can't have a season with the best if the best tho, because Evelyn & Landon are done. I don't see the appeal of watching a bunch of scrubs face off when you could get a epic match up of two good competitors. I mean really who would people rather see in a elimination, Jay vs Preston or CT vs Zach? If you say jay vs Preston than you clearly don't value competition.
But if the best of the best are the same people that we've seen a dozen times and have already seen what they are capabe of doing what's really the appeal of it? I'd rather see Jay vs Preston simply because it's new and something we haven't seen before. I'm tired of CT and Zach is a piece of shit so I don't care about seeing them face-off. Don't see the point of watching two people I hate/sick of fight each other.
I don't see the appeal of watching two scrubs fight to see who sucks less. I don't give a **** about it being "fresh" if they are weak.
And I don't see the appeal of watching 2 overused ******** fight to see who's "Stronger" besides like someone said CT/Zach wouldn't be all that good probably. Zach has merit but he's nowhere near as good as CT is.
And who knows..Jay/Preston could be good depending on the elimination.
My personal opinion is that we need a cast that's on an even playing field. Not weak. Not elite. A group of both proven and unproven competitors competing on the same level. No landslide domination, no unfair match-ups, just competition, and naturally occurring drama as a result.
I must say though, it helped that The Duel 2 favored the rookie girls because, ultimately, there were loads of partner challenges. Getting in the "inner circle" on that season isn't a feat for a girl in my honest opinion.
This is what I would want and would love honestly. If everyone is on the same level(or close to it) it makes the comeptition more unpredictable, interesting, and worth caring about. And we'd probably see more people make moves too.
Exactly. A season where someone like Jonna can actually thrive, make a final, and win.
This would be refreshing
You always need a mix of elite and weak player on a show, you need sheeps/pawns as well as multiple kings. You will never have and should never have just average people on your show, because it will lose it's appealing. One big name can help the entire cast to get acceptance in the eyes of the viewer. You always need to have you big names there too (like Sarah/Wes/Alton on seasons), your elite players or people that seem to be favorite to win, because in the end the best stories are always those were someone who was looked as weak over come and win and the challenge is in the end you're favorites to compete against each other.
And quite frankly every season was very well balanaced both cast and challenge-wise. The last one I remember that wasn't was Ruins and Rivals2 on the female side, but even on the Ruins then, CT was rumored to be cast (since Shauvon, Diem and Adam were in it too) and was close to it and if he would get cast, he would've helped that challenger team big team.
Speaking of when was a challenge not an even playing field on paper? You see here a landslide domination or unfair match-ups?
Fresh Meat 2--Kenny,Wes,Landon, Darrell, Paula,Jenn,Evelyn,Jilian and Sarah. Pretty equal cast and challenges that never really favorited anyone on paper. It was luck that Kenny/Darrell drew 1 and 3.
Cutthroat no question
Rivals --Kenny/Wes, Tyler/Bananas, CT/Adam, Ty/Brandon, Evan/Nehemiah, Leroy/Michael (who was above average in swimming/puzzles than most of these guys) same with Evelyn/Paula, Laurel/CaraMaria, Jenn/Mandi, Aneesa/Robin, Camilla/Theresa. Pretty equal cast and challenges that any of those teams could've won.
Exes 1--CT/Diem, Camilla/Bananas, Mark/Robin, CaraMaria/Abram, Ty/Emily, Dunbar/Paula. Pretty equal and challenges where anybody could win.
Seasons2 --- San Diego, Las Vegas, Cancun, Austin, Fresh Meat with Brooklyn as the average team. The same with the challenges.
Rivals 2- CT/Wes, Frank/Bananas, Jordan/Marlon, Ty/Leroy, Zach/Trey same with Emily/Paula, Cara Maria/Cooke, Jemmye/Camilla was also pretty good team, Diem/Aneesa (regarding finals and puzzles wayyy about the other two). Probably the only season where one can see a dominance, but I think if Diem/Anessa would've made that final instead of Jemmye/Camilla, I think that first round would've end it differenty.
FA- pretty much the entire guys cast, Laurel/Theresa/Nany/Camilla/Aneesa/CaraMaria(especially since they compete in different teams) and eventhough Zach cost Laurel some time, Nany held her own in that final
Exes2- Bananas/Nany, Wes/Theresa, Leroy/Nia, Zach/Jonna, Jordan/Sarah, CT/Diem with Reily/Averey as a dark horse team all very equal teams and also the challenges were pretty open to win.
No. you don't need a mix of elite/weak/decent players. Because more often than not the elite ones end up steamrolling everyone else. Look at Laurel on Free Agents. Noone was able to touch her. Same thing with The Duel 2 on the female side. I mean sure people can beat the odds but when was the last time that happened? When was the last time someone who is seen as weak beat everyone in her path went to the end and won? It's so much better when everyone is on the same level because then you get a more interesting game and show. The game is more up for grabs and there's noone you can point to and say "they'll win it's obvious"...That doens't bode well for this show or any other show for that matter and it makes it pointless to watch when everyone knows the outcome in the first episode. When there is equal footing(or close to it) things are more interesting. The Gauntlet 2 is a good example of this. The teams were equal in strenth so it made for a good back and forth and it realy helped in making the seasons good.
And no..Not every challenge had a good mix. are you really gonna sit here and tell me that Rivals 1/Exes 1/Seasons 2/Rivals 2/Free Agents had a good mix of old and new people? Because really they didn't. They had more or less the same **** people on everytime(with less than a handful of rookies) and you can't tell me otherwise.
And no not every season has a even playing field of players. If they did noone would really dominate on these shows. In most of the early seasons Road Rules were stronger than the Real Worlders and it showed in eliminations and challenges. In most of the pair seasons there is that one team that is clealry stronger than the others or there is a group of strong teams and there is a group of weaker teams. There has NEVER been and equal set of teams in strenth. The only ones I can think of that had it is again The Gauntlet 2. All those seasons you listed did not have an equal playinf field in terms of strenth.
I really don't want to see a Rivals 3, but they did do The Inferno for Season 8 and The Inferno 2 for Season 10.
I wouldn't mind to see a BOTSeasons again with the following teams (not realistic by any means but whatever):
Key West - Bananas, Paula, Tyler, Svetlana
DC - Ty, Emily, Josh, Ericka
New Orleans 2010 - Eric, Ashlee, Ryan, McKenzie
Las Vegas 2011 - Leroy, Cooke, Nany, Dustin
Portland - Jordan, Nia, Marlon, Averey (can probably switch Nia or Averey with Jess, I actually like her)
Ex-Plosion - Cory, Hailey, Brian, "Hurricane Ashley"
Skeletons - Bruno, Madison, Tony, Violetta
AYTO - who ******* cares? Don't want them on a BOTSeasons but they would find a way to put them in. The only cast members I know from AYTO are the ones that competed in Exes 2.
That's unrealistic, there will always be people who suck and who are great. The best ones of those unproven will probably dominate.
See, there's / was and will ever be a mix.....
You will always have a mix of elite/weak/decent players on your show and you should imo. It won't work if you have just elite players (technically this will never happen since even in the elite players someone is always better than the elite player), it won't work if you have just weak players and it certainly won't work if you have just average player on your cast list, because a cast with just average players is not as interesting for the casual viewer if the cast doesn't have elite players in it. The winner of that average season with no elite players, will still be average in the end if his competition was just like him...average. If you want to be viewed as good/elite/best, you have to beat good/elite/best players. Basic formula on almost every competition (show) and just look at the daily challenges on these last seasons, more challenges were pretty open to win for everbody than those that weren't, they were up for grabs. Challenges/finals/even elimination also always have those equalizer in it, where even teams/people that seem to be weak can win them. Some call it puzzles, some food challenges or some stamina missions.
And since you took Laurel as an example, for someone that was untouchable, she went into wayyy to many elimination rounds and won two barely (Aneesa and Theresa) and Cara Maria certainly would've given her a lot more trouble if she hadn't participate with a broken arm. And Nany almost beat her in the last part of the final on that volcano, a part where Zach wasn't involved.
You seem to think that elite players means old players, because otherwise, I don't understand why you're talking about old/new people here?
I don't understand it sometimes, people complain about Wes/Bananas/CT/Paula/Sarah/Cara Maria for doing way to many challenges and usually they say, because they have the biggest fan base, but guess what they had to build their fan bases first and in order to help people to build a fan base, you have to cast them 1,2,3,4 challenges in a row which is why you cast them as your core group. Those six people are just exceptions as to Bananas just happens to win two in a row with Rivals and Exes who were the most succesful season in this past five years. Same with Paula after her never ending losing streak, CT/Cara Maria were the biggest fan favorites after Cutthroat/Rivals, Wes was always the only one that was willingly to play the game and make unexpected moves (you always need one of his mindset too), Sarah constantly had bad luck.The first time they didn't incorporate most people with fan bases, but most with absolutely no fan base/average players/even playing field (which is what most of you guys actually want)....the ratings went downhill that was BOTS2.
On paper every season since Fresh Meat 2 (with Rivals 2 girls side) was an open playing field, cast wise and challenge wise. The producer always created daily challenges that literally most of the teams could've won that.
And it's urealisitc to have an all-elite playes cast too but some people seem to want that.
Sweet Jesus with the quote walls.
Nobody ever said they wanted a all elite season, just not punish people for being great competitors
For "a final duel" it isn't unrealistic at all
You're giving Cara Maria way too much credit. She wouldn't have beaten Laurel even if her hand wasn't broken.
And yes people do complain about those people you listed doing too many challenges and you know why? Because it's not needed. It was never needed for them to do 7/8/9/10 challenges in a row. You're right in that people on this show need to build up a fan base but that can be done without shoving them down the viewer's throat every.single.challenge. Having a core group on a show like this is stupid because what happens when that core group of people move on and leave the show? You gotta realize that when people are casted for this show a dozen times in a row viewers get dependent and attached to that person and won't watch the show without them. What happens when that person leaves? What if he/she moves on? Several people who have had a following stopped doing these shows and moved on. You gotta think about stuff like that. That's why Backpack/CT/Wes is casted every season now. That's why Battle of the Seasons 2 did so bad in ratings. This show is supposed to showcase a different cast every season not just the same group that was on the last 10 challenges with a handful of new people.
And no. I don't think that Elite=Old-Schooler although many of them were good competitiors.
Yes they have. Several times.
Exes 2 has been mostly drama based on competition.
Everyone knows you can't have a season with the best if the best tho, because Evelyn & Landon are done.
I don't see the appeal of watching a bunch of scrubs face off when you could get a epic match up of two good competitors.
I mean really who would people rather see in a elimination, Jay vs Preston or CT vs Zach?
If you say jay vs Preston than you clearly don't value competition.
Jay vs Preston could be great for all we know. LaToya vs Jemmye is all the proof needed to show that players on or near the same level can provide highly entertaining eliminations. It's the shock factor. CT vs Zach would be predictable, just like Laurel vs Aneesa.
I thought Jemmye vs. LaToya was one of the best female eliminations ever.
Aneesa vs Laurel wasn't predictable , Aneesa almost tied it.
CT vs Zach isn't predictable , either of them could win...
Yeah the day Jay vs Preston is better than CT vs Zach is the day **** freezes over.
It was great but I think we just thought that after two seasons of shitty girl eliminations, I think Nany vs Theresa was better especially given the perfect way it ended the storyline.
But if the best of the best are the same people that we've seen a dozen times and have already seen what they are capabe of doing what's really the appeal of it? I'd rather see Jay vs Preston simply because it's new and something we haven't seen before. I'm tired of CT and Zach is a piece of shit so I don't care about seeing them face-off. Don't see the point of watching two people I hate/sick of fight each other.
I don't see the appeal of watching two scrubs fight to see who sucks less.
I don't give a **** about it being "fresh" if they are weak.
I don't even think CT/Zach would be that great of an elimination to watch. Zach is soooo overrated. He has proved that every elimination.
Leroy vs Darrell is a better example, tbh I just want to see Zach get wrecked
lol fair enough..me too
but OMG Leroy vs Darrell would be awesome.
And I don't see the appeal of watching 2 overused ******** fight to see who's "Stronger" besides like someone said CT/Zach wouldn't be all that good probably. Zach has merit but he's nowhere near as good as CT is.
And who knows..Jay/Preston could be good depending on the elimination.
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