I mean most of the men in the golden era were very chill & didn't act like big children, like Dan Setzler, Timmy, Theo G. & V., etc.
Even the wild ones like Abe & Derrick were still pretty cool. There was CT & Adam L., but the latter still doesn't even compare.
True but that was a different time in this shows history though. Now it seems like likeable men are few and far between now. I mean there's CJ but he's done. And as someone said before Cohutta really doesn't seem like he could be a driving force on these shows(and I really don't see him doing alot of challenges for some reason) There is Leroy but he really left a sour taste in my mouth this past episode. Brandon has been pretty cool despite him being boring as shit. And then there's Jay..and that's amazing considering he was horrid on his RW season. He's really been harmless this season and he really hasn't come across like a **** at all.
But yeah alot of the guys in the golden age of this show were pretty cool. I mean look at Battle of the sexes seasons. All the men were cool, chill, worked together and was drama free. That would NOT be the case today if Battle of the Sexes were to happen today.
The fact that Jenna is still with Zach shows what an idiot she is... He is worse than Jay.
Who's to say Jonna wouldn't still be with him if he hadn't dumped her? I'm sorry, but the hate Ashley is getting in this thread is actually ridiculous and so wrong! She was the only girl that actually saw Zach for who he is and dumped his sorry ***. Jonna worshipped him and now she's frustrated because he doesn't treat her well anymore! Well, she should've known better!
I actually felt a little bit sorry for Jonna this season, but I don't anymore. The stuff people here are saying about Ashley makes me think Jonna deserved everything she got this season because it reminded me of Jonna throwing her and Zach's relashionship in Ashley's face in Battle of the Seasons. Karma. I'm back to not liking Jonna.
Ashley? The post you quoted mentioned Jenna's name, not Ashley.
As for the bolded part. What kind of excuse is that? Sure, maybe Jonna would have still been with Zach if he hadn't dumped her. If that had been the case then she would look equally stupid as Jenna. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but any girl who still likes Zach after the disrespectful comments he has made about ALL women clearly must not have much respect for herself. I actually feel bad for Jenna that somebody like Zach is who she thinks is attractive and worthy of her time.
The fact that Jenna is still with Zach shows what an idiot she is... He is worse than Jay.
Who's to say Jonna wouldn't still be with him if he hadn't dumped her? I'm sorry, but the hate Ashley is getting in this thread is actually ridiculous and so wrong! She was the only girl that actually saw Zach for who he is and dumped his sorry ***. Jonna worshipped him and now she's frustrated because he doesn't treat her well anymore! Well, she should've known better!
I actually felt a little bit sorry for Jonna this season, but I don't anymore. The stuff people here are saying about Ashley makes me think Jonna deserved everything she got this season because it reminded me of Jonna throwing her and Zach's relashionship in Ashley's face in Battle of the Seasons. Karma. I'm back to not liking Jonna.
I'm sorry, but hasn't Ashley said she and Jonna got along and she didn't really care about her relationship with Zach? Even if Jonna did "throw it in her face," that doesn't mean she deserves the abuse she got this season
I remember everyone complaining and wanting Zach with Ashley or Ashlee but I'm glad it was Jonna. This was one of the best overall story lines on a challenge. It ended perfectly with Jonna kicking ***.
I remember everyone complaining and wanting Zach with Ashley or Ashlee but I'm glad it was Jonna. This was one of the best overall story lines on a challenge. It ended perfectly with Jonna kicking ***.
Yeah, they had a great storyline because there was still so much tension there and they've both become staples in this new wave of challengers. It seems like Ashley is basically over Zach, so that wouldn't have been as compelling, and Ashlee has been out of MTV stuff for like 5 years so she's just not as relevant to viewers as Jonna.
"Who's to say Jonna wouldn't still be with him if he hadn't dumped her? I'm sorry, but the hate Ashley is getting in this thread is actually ridiculous and so wrong! She was the only girl that actually saw Zach for who he is and dumped his sorry ***. Jonna worshipped him and now she's frustrated because he doesn't treat her well anymore! Well, she should've known better!
I actually felt a little bit sorry for Jonna this season, but I don't anymore. The stuff people here are saying about Ashley makes me think Jonna deserved everything she got this season because it reminded me of Jonna throwing her and Zach's relashionship in Ashley's face in Battle of the Seasons. Karma. I'm back to not liking Jonna."
I'm sorry but what are you even talking about, Ashley has barely gotten any hate no one is going off about her calm down
"Who's to say Jonna wouldn't still be with him if he hadn't dumped her? I'm sorry, but the hate Ashley is getting in this thread is actually ridiculous and so wrong! She was the only girl that actually saw Zach for who he is and dumped his sorry ***. Jonna worshipped him and now she's frustrated because he doesn't treat her well anymore! Well, she should've known better!
I actually felt a little bit sorry for Jonna this season, but I don't anymore. The stuff people here are saying about Ashley makes me think Jonna deserved everything she got this season because it reminded me of Jonna throwing her and Zach's relashionship in Ashley's face in Battle of the Seasons. Karma. I'm back to not liking Jonna."
I'm sorry but what are you even talking about, Ashley has barely gotten any hate no one is going off about her calm down
Lmao Ashley Who? I just saw 2 posts about her on this thread and thats it...
Btw Jonna didnt deserved anything Zach put her through...
"Who's to say Jonna wouldn't still be with him if he hadn't dumped her? I'm sorry, but the hate Ashley is getting in this thread is actually ridiculous and so wrong! She was the only girl that actually saw Zach for who he is and dumped his sorry ***. Jonna worshipped him and now she's frustrated because he doesn't treat her well anymore! Well, she should've known better!
I actually felt a little bit sorry for Jonna this season, but I don't anymore. The stuff people here are saying about Ashley makes me think Jonna deserved everything she got this season because it reminded me of Jonna throwing her and Zach's relashionship in Ashley's face in Battle of the Seasons. Karma. I'm back to not liking Jonna."
I'm sorry but what are you even talking about, Ashley has barely gotten any hate no one is going off about her calm down
Lmao Ashley Who? I just saw 2 posts about her on this thread and thats it... Btw Jonna didnt deserved anything Zach put her through...
Ashley Kelsey, who was Zach's ex from RW San Diego
Maybe Jonna didn't deserve to be treated like that, but let's remind everyone that Jonna is NO saint! She has cheated multiple times on her boyfriends and while some of you say that she didn't throw the relashionship with Zach in Ashley's face, I still believe she did. Yes, Ashley didn't care about Zach anymore, but he was still her ex and Jonna would sit on his lap and make out with him right in front of Ash. That had to be super unconfortable!
It's not a maybe, she absolutely did not deserve it and no one claimed she was a saint, Zach just makes her look like one. I have never seen Jonna belittle, ridicule, and bully someone like Zach has. Also, yeah the second part is kind of delusional.
Zach was nothing less than a complete ******* to Jonna. To her face, behind her back, and in his direct to cameras. He made fun of her personal life problems like it was a joke, accused her of ruining everything, and just made terrible, repulsive comments towards not only her, but the women of the house in general. No one is claiming Jonna is perfect, but I have never seen her be so blatantly malicious and think she's being funny.
Maybe Jonna didn't deserve to be treated like that, but let's remind everyone that Jonna is NO saint! She has cheated multiple times on her boyfriends and while some of you say that she didn't throw the relashionship with Zach in Ashley's face, I still believe she did. Yes, Ashley didn't care about Zach anymore, but he was still her ex and Jonna would sit on his lap and make out with him right in front of Ash. That had to be super unconfortable!
Jonna was ******* 19 on cancun......yeah she made a mistake by cheating on Matt but she was so young and clearly has grown up since then. She also didn't run her mouth about Matt, she still cared for him. Zach has run his mouth about Jonna and emotionally abused her.
There is no "maybe." Zach was nothing less than a complete ******* to Jonna. To her face, behind her back, and in his direct to cameras. He made fun of her personal life problems like it was a joke, accused her of ruining everything, and just made terrible, repulsive comments towards not only her, but the women of the house in general. No one is claiming Jonna is perfect, but I have never seen her be so blatantly malicious and think she's being funny.
Maybe Jonna didn't deserve to be treated like that, but let's remind everyone that Jonna is NO saint! She has cheated multiple times on her boyfriends and while some of you say that she didn't throw the relashionship with Zach in Ashley's face, I still believe she did. Yes, Ashley didn't care about Zach anymore, but he was still her ex and Jonna would sit on his lap and make out with him right in front of Ash. That had to be super unconfortable!
Nobody is saying she is a saint, but she never cheated or did anything to Zach other than move to LA and then he leaving her by herself leading her on until the reunion even though he was already getting to know Ashlee. He was the one that did her dirty . So yeah I still stand by my opinion that nobody deserved to be abuse emotionally by anyone despite their past and mistakes.
About the whole Ashley thing, well that happens when you put yourself in the position of living with your ex and with a chance of him or she hooking up with someone infront of you. She wasnt the first and she is not going to be the last. I have seen that season after season Kendall/T he Miz infront of trishelle, Kim/Dunbar on the duel 2 infront of Paula, Kellyane/Wes on the Ruins while Cohutta/Johanna were in the house, Paula/TY on Emily Bunk bed on the battle Exes, Leroy/Theresa on top of Wes bed on arivals , Jenna/zach infront of Jonna on battle of the exes 2, etc. I dont think know of them did it maliciously to throw on their "ex" face, it just something that they have to expect if they are living in the same place with their "ex".
Didn't ashley openly say that there was no problem with her and Jonna during the BOTS season? I'm sure she said she didn't care at all. Like if she's the one saying there was no problem but you still can't take your faves word for it ...lmao...yikes.
Didn't ashley openly say that there was no problem with her and Jonna during the BOTS season? I'm sure she said she didn't care at all. Like if she's the one saying there was no problem but you still can't take your faves word for it ...lmao...yikes.
Yeah she said on the reunion she didn't care as long as it didn't affect her team and Jonna said on Afterbuzz with Zach that Ashley was always nice to her and let her borrow her clothes but of course Zach was saying how Ashley was a nuisance..
Didn't ashley openly say that there was no problem with her and Jonna during the BOTS season? I'm sure she said she didn't care at all. Like if she's the one saying there was no problem but you still can't take your faves word for it ...lmao...yikes.
Yeah she said on the reunion she didn't care as long as it didn't affect her team and Jonna said on Afterbuzz with Zach that Ashley was always nice to her and let her borrow her clothes but of course Zach was saying how Ashley was a nuisance..
Ashley also say that on an interview that Zach hooking up didnt bother her at all.
The funny part is that I was watching San Diego 2 and noticed that ashley Was wearing the same pink/purple dress as Jonna when Zach was hitting on her and they kiss for the first time. Then Jonna was wearing the same dress when Zach ask her out on seasons 2.
Didn't ashley openly say that there was no problem with her and Jonna during the BOTS season? I'm sure she said she didn't care at all. Like if she's the one saying there was no problem but you still can't take your faves word for it ...lmao...yikes.
Yeah she said on the reunion she didn't care as long as it didn't affect her team and Jonna said on Afterbuzz with Zach that Ashley was always nice to her and let her borrow her clothes but of course Zach was saying how Ashley was a nuisance..
Ashley also say that on an interview that Zach hooking up didnt bother her at all. The funny part is that I was watching San Diego 2 and noticed that ashley Was wearing the same pink/purple dress as Jonna when Zach was hitting on her and they kiss for the first time. Then Jonna was wearing the same dress when Zach ask her out on seasons 2.
Jonna actually mentioned that on afterbuzz. She said she watched SD after Seasons and noticed that and thought it was a little weird. lol
Didn't ashley openly say that there was no problem with her and Jonna during the BOTS season? I'm sure she said she didn't care at all. Like if she's the one saying there was no problem but you still can't take your faves word for it ...lmao...yikes.
Yeah she said on the reunion she didn't care as long as it didn't affect her team and Jonna said on Afterbuzz with Zach that Ashley was always nice to her and let her borrow her clothes but of course Zach was saying how Ashley was a nuisance..
Ashley also say that on an interview that Zach hooking up didnt bother her at all. The funny part is that I was watching San Diego 2 and noticed that ashley Was wearing the same pink/purple dress as Jonna when Zach was hitting on her and they kiss for the first time. Then Jonna was wearing the same dress when Zach ask her out on seasons 2.
Jonna actually mentioned that on afterbuzz. She said she watched SD after Seasons and noticed that and thought it was a little weird. lol
Funny part is that zach was throwing similar lines to both of them "Every guy want to be with you, you are the hottest girl in the house" lol So it was like watching a remake of the same scene with different actress
I mean most of the men in the golden era were very chill & didn't act like big children, like Dan Setzler, Timmy, Theo G. & V., etc.
Even the wild ones like Abe & Derrick were still pretty cool. There was CT & Adam L., but the latter still doesn't even compare.
yeah I would take everyone before fresh meat over everyone after it and I'm not even one of those "Fresh Meat should have never happened they aren't the REAL cast!!" People. It really was downhill from there as far as the dudes where concerned with only a couple of exceptions.
Like, fair enough, you absolutely shouldn't take reality tv shows super seriously but ****, as a woman there's only so much misogyny I can stand to watch lol! it shouldn't be celebrated and showcased like its just ~fun tv drama~.
You can't be serious.
Go watch Girl Code or Finnding Carter then. You're a big girl, nobodies forcing you to watch this show.
I mean most of the men in the golden era were very chill & didn't act like big children, like Dan Setzler, Timmy, Theo G. & V., etc.
Even the wild ones like Abe & Derrick were still pretty cool. There was CT & Adam L., but the latter still doesn't even compare.
yeah I would take everyone before fresh meat over everyone after it and I'm not even one of those "Fresh Meat should have never happened they aren't the REAL cast!!" People. It really was downhill from there as far as the dudes where concerned with only a couple of exceptions.
Like, fair enough, you absolutely shouldn't take reality tv shows super seriously but ****, as a woman there's only so much misogyny I can stand to watch lol! it shouldn't be celebrated and showcased like its just ~fun tv drama~.
You can't be serious.
Go watch Girl Code or Finnding Carter then. You're a big girl, nobodies forcing you to watch this show.
Yep and big girls express their opinion on the things they don't like about shows they choose to watch! Stay predictable.
Jonna did so well last night! Like Theresa said, she was a little spider monkey! Really hoping she makes it to the end on her next challenge.
As for disrespecting women.... Almost all of the guys on this season have been trash. I actually think Wes, whom I hate, has behaved himself really well. He really hasn't said anything too horrible about Theresa (although he has made a few sexist comments because of course)
Lets not act like the girls have been nice and respectful the entire season.
Sarah has called Jordan an ******* plenty of times, Theresa has talked so much shit about Wes, Averey straight up told Reilly that she doesn't have any respect for him, and Jenna makes fun of jay every time she can, the only guys that were rude to their partners were Zach and Adam.
Jonna did so well last night! Like Theresa said, she was a little spider monkey! Really hoping she makes it to the end on her next challenge.
As for disrespecting women.... Almost all of the guys on this season have been trash. I actually think Wes, whom I hate, has behaved himself really well. He really hasn't said anything too horrible about Theresa (although he has made a few sexist comments because of course)
Lets not act like the girls have been nice and respectful the entire season. Sarah has called Jordan an ******* plenty of times, Theresa has talked so much shit about Wes, Averey straight up told Reilly that she doesn't have any respect for him, and Jenna makes fun of jay every time she can, the only guys that were rude to their partners were Zach and Adam.
LOL Reilly and Jordan where also well into that "women are inferior" conversation but ok whatever fits your narrative, dude.
Jonna did so well last night! Like Theresa said, she was a little spider monkey! Really hoping she makes it to the end on her next challenge.
As for disrespecting women.... Almost all of the guys on this season have been trash. I actually think Wes, whom I hate, has behaved himself really well. He really hasn't said anything too horrible about Theresa (although he has made a few sexist comments because of course)
Lets not act like the girls have been nice and respectful the entire season. Sarah has called Jordan an ******* plenty of times, Theresa has talked so much shit about Wes, Averey straight up told Reilly that she doesn't have any respect for him, and Jenna makes fun of jay every time she can, the only guys that were rude to their partners were Zach and Adam.
LOL Reilly and Jordan where also well into that "women are inferior" conversation but ok whatever fits your narrative, dude.
Personally I don't agree with that one. They were talking to Zach, yes, but he was the one who was calling "swamp donkeys" and how"these girls aren't out wives" and the "god took a rib from Adam" or whoever. I think they were just nodding.
Jonna did so well last night! Like Theresa said, she was a little spider monkey! Really hoping she makes it to the end on her next challenge.
As for disrespecting women.... Almost all of the guys on this season have been trash. I actually think Wes, whom I hate, has behaved himself really well. He really hasn't said anything too horrible about Theresa (although he has made a few sexist comments because of course)
Lets not act like the girls have been nice and respectful the entire season. Sarah has called Jordan an ******* plenty of times, Theresa has talked so much shit about Wes, Averey straight up told Reilly that she doesn't have any respect for him, and Jenna makes fun of jay every time she can, the only guys that were rude to their partners were Zach and Adam.
LOL Reilly and Jordan where also well into that "women are inferior" conversation but ok whatever fits your narrative, dude.
Personally I don't agree with that one. They were talking to Zach, yes, but he was the one who was calling "swamp donkeys" and how"these girls aren't out wives" and the "god took a rib from Adam" or whoever. I think they were just nodding.
Jordan and Reilly were participating in that conversation. They were the ones who made the "inferior" and "bear children" comments.
Jonna did so well last night! Like Theresa said, she was a little spider monkey! Really hoping she makes it to the end on her next challenge.
As for disrespecting women.... Almost all of the guys on this season have been trash. I actually think Wes, whom I hate, has behaved himself really well. He really hasn't said anything too horrible about Theresa (although he has made a few sexist comments because of course)
Lets not act like the girls have been nice and respectful the entire season. Sarah has called Jordan an ******* plenty of times, Theresa has talked so much shit about Wes, Averey straight up told Reilly that she doesn't have any respect for him, and Jenna makes fun of jay every time she can, the only guys that were rude to their partners were Zach and Adam.
LOL Reilly and Jordan where also well into that "women are inferior" conversation but ok whatever fits your narrative, dude.
Personally I don't agree with that one. They were talking to Zach, yes, but he was the one who was calling "swamp donkeys" and how"these girls aren't out wives" and the "god took a rib from Adam" or whoever. I think they were just nodding.
Jordan and Reilly were participating in that conversation. They were the ones who made the "inferior" and "bear children" comments.
I know that.
But I think they were just filling in the blanks for him since he couldn't even complete his own argument. He didn't know what the hell he was saying. I just mean, we have seen this near woman hating attitude from Zach all season, and previous. Not so much from the other two. Just my opinion.
Jonna did so well last night! Like Theresa said, she was a little spider monkey! Really hoping she makes it to the end on her next challenge.
As for disrespecting women.... Almost all of the guys on this season have been trash. I actually think Wes, whom I hate, has behaved himself really well. He really hasn't said anything too horrible about Theresa (although he has made a few sexist comments because of course)
Lets not act like the girls have been nice and respectful the entire season. Sarah has called Jordan an ******* plenty of times, Theresa has talked so much shit about Wes, Averey straight up told Reilly that she doesn't have any respect for him, and Jenna makes fun of jay every time she can, the only guys that were rude to their partners were Zach and Adam.
LOL Reilly and Jordan where also well into that "women are inferior" conversation but ok whatever fits your narrative, dude.
Personally I don't agree with that one. They were talking to Zach, yes, but he was the one who was calling "swamp donkeys" and how"these girls aren't out wives" and the "god took a rib from Adam" or whoever. I think they were just nodding.
Jordan and Reilly were participating in that conversation. They were the ones who made the "inferior" and "bear children" comments.
I know that. But I think they were just filling in the blanks for him since he couldn't even complete his own argument. He didn't know what the hell he was saying. I just mean, we have seen this near woman hating attitude from Zach all season, and previous. Not so much from the other two. Just my opinion.
IMO the fact that they chose to fill in his blanks with that shit instead of being out rightly against it shows that they were into it. I agree that they did seem uncomfortable compared to Zach but at the end of the day they didn't go against what he was saying, ya know? Like fair enough not wanting to start an argument with ~your boys~ I can see but where they could have been silent, they literally said the inferior/ bear children comments that were not really ambiguous.
Jonna did so well last night! Like Theresa said, she was a little spider monkey! Really hoping she makes it to the end on her next challenge.
As for disrespecting women.... Almost all of the guys on this season have been trash. I actually think Wes, whom I hate, has behaved himself really well. He really hasn't said anything too horrible about Theresa (although he has made a few sexist comments because of course)
Lets not act like the girls have been nice and respectful the entire season. Sarah has called Jordan an ******* plenty of times, Theresa has talked so much shit about Wes, Averey straight up told Reilly that she doesn't have any respect for him, and Jenna makes fun of jay every time she can, the only guys that were rude to their partners were Zach and Adam.
LOL Reilly and Jordan where also well into that "women are inferior" conversation but ok whatever fits your narrative, dude.
Personally I don't agree with that one. They were talking to Zach, yes, but he was the one who was calling "swamp donkeys" and how"these girls aren't out wives" and the "god took a rib from Adam" or whoever. I think they were just nodding.
Jordan and Reilly were participating in that conversation. They were the ones who made the "inferior" and "bear children" comments.
I know that. But I think they were just filling in the blanks for him since he couldn't even complete his own argument. He didn't know what the hell he was saying. I just mean, we have seen this near woman hating attitude from Zach all season, and previous. Not so much from the other two. Just my opinion.
IMO the fact that they chose to fill in his blanks with that shit instead of being out rightly against it shows that they were into it. I agree that they did seem uncomfortable compared to Zach but at the end of the day they didn't go against what he was saying, ya know? Like fair enough not wanting to start an argument with ~your boys~ I can see but where they could have been silent, they literally said the inferior/ bear children comments that were not really ambiguous.
Precisely. It would have been one thing had they remained silent the entire time Zach was expressing his outdated views about women, but they didn't. They actually chimed in and came up with the "right" words that expressed Zach's caveman point of view.
True but that was a different time in this shows history though. Now it seems like likeable men are few and far between now. I mean there's CJ but he's done. And as someone said before Cohutta really doesn't seem like he could be a driving force on these shows(and I really don't see him doing alot of challenges for some reason) There is Leroy but he really left a sour taste in my mouth this past episode. Brandon has been pretty cool despite him being boring as shit. And then there's Jay..and that's amazing considering he was horrid on his RW season. He's really been harmless this season and he really hasn't come across like a **** at all.
But yeah alot of the guys in the golden age of this show were pretty cool. I mean look at Battle of the sexes seasons. All the men were cool, chill, worked together and was drama free. That would NOT be the case today if Battle of the Sexes were to happen today.
Ashley? The post you quoted mentioned Jenna's name, not Ashley.
As for the bolded part. What kind of excuse is that? Sure, maybe Jonna would have still been with Zach if he hadn't dumped her. If that had been the case then she would look equally stupid as Jenna. I'm sorry if this offends anyone, but any girl who still likes Zach after the disrespectful comments he has made about ALL women clearly must not have much respect for herself. I actually feel bad for Jenna that somebody like Zach is who she thinks is attractive and worthy of her time.
I'm sorry, but hasn't Ashley said she and Jonna got along and she didn't really care about her relationship with Zach? Even if Jonna did "throw it in her face," that doesn't mean she deserves the abuse she got this season
I remember everyone complaining and wanting Zach with Ashley or Ashlee but I'm glad it was Jonna. This was one of the best overall story lines on a challenge. It ended perfectly with Jonna kicking ***.
Yeah, they had a great storyline because there was still so much tension there and they've both become staples in this new wave of challengers. It seems like Ashley is basically over Zach, so that wouldn't have been as compelling, and Ashlee has been out of MTV stuff for like 5 years so she's just not as relevant to viewers as Jonna.
Jonna never threw it in Ashleys face. Ashley didn't care about the relationship at all and her and Jonna were and still are friends.
"Who's to say Jonna wouldn't still be with him if he hadn't dumped her? I'm sorry, but the hate Ashley is getting in this thread is actually ridiculous and so wrong! She was the only girl that actually saw Zach for who he is and dumped his sorry ***. Jonna worshipped him and now she's frustrated because he doesn't treat her well anymore! Well, she should've known better!
I actually felt a little bit sorry for Jonna this season, but I don't anymore. The stuff people here are saying about Ashley makes me think Jonna deserved everything she got this season because it reminded me of Jonna throwing her and Zach's relashionship in Ashley's face in Battle of the Seasons. Karma. I'm back to not liking Jonna."
I'm sorry but what are you even talking about, Ashley has barely gotten any hate no one is going off about her calm down
Lmao Ashley Who? I just saw 2 posts about her on this thread and thats it...
Btw Jonna didnt deserved anything Zach put her through...
Ashley Kelsey, who was Zach's ex from RW San Diego
Maybe Jonna didn't deserve to be treated like that, but let's remind everyone that Jonna is NO saint! She has cheated multiple times on her boyfriends and while some of you say that she didn't throw the relashionship with Zach in Ashley's face, I still believe she did. Yes, Ashley didn't care about Zach anymore, but he was still her ex and Jonna would sit on his lap and make out with him right in front of Ash. That had to be super unconfortable!
It's not a maybe, she absolutely did not deserve it and no one claimed she was a saint, Zach just makes her look like one. I have never seen Jonna belittle, ridicule, and bully someone like Zach has. Also, yeah the second part is kind of delusional.
There is no "maybe."
Zach was nothing less than a complete ******* to Jonna. To her face, behind her back, and in his direct to cameras. He made fun of her personal life problems like it was a joke, accused her of ruining everything, and just made terrible, repulsive comments towards not only her, but the women of the house in general. No one is claiming Jonna is perfect, but I have never seen her be so blatantly malicious and think she's being funny.
Jonna was ******* 19 on cancun......yeah she made a mistake by cheating on Matt but she was so young and clearly has grown up since then. She also didn't run her mouth about Matt, she still cared for him. Zach has run his mouth about Jonna and emotionally abused her.
Agree with this.
I just don't really like Jonna. lol
Nobody is saying she is a saint, but she never cheated or did anything to Zach other than move to LA and then he leaving her by herself leading her on until the reunion even though he was already getting to know Ashlee. He was the one that did her dirty . So yeah I still stand by my opinion that nobody deserved to be abuse emotionally by anyone despite their past and mistakes.
About the whole Ashley thing, well that happens when you put yourself in the position of living with your ex and with a chance of him or she hooking up with someone infront of you. She wasnt the first and she is not going to be the last. I have seen that season after season Kendall/T he Miz infront of trishelle, Kim/Dunbar on the duel 2 infront of Paula, Kellyane/Wes on the Ruins while Cohutta/Johanna were in the house, Paula/TY on Emily Bunk bed on the battle Exes, Leroy/Theresa on top of Wes bed on arivals , Jenna/zach infront of Jonna on battle of the exes 2, etc. I dont think know of them did it maliciously to throw on their "ex" face, it just something that they have to expect if they are living in the same place with their "ex".
I give Ashley props for leaving Zach
Didn't ashley openly say that there was no problem with her and Jonna during the BOTS season? I'm sure she said she didn't care at all. Like if she's the one saying there was no problem but you still can't take your faves word for it ...lmao...yikes.
Yeah she said on the reunion she didn't care as long as it didn't affect her team and Jonna said on Afterbuzz with Zach that Ashley was always nice to her and let her borrow her clothes but of course Zach was saying how Ashley was a nuisance..
Ashley also say that on an interview that Zach hooking up didnt bother her at all.
The funny part is that I was watching San Diego 2 and noticed that ashley Was wearing the same pink/purple dress as Jonna when Zach was hitting on her and they kiss for the first time. Then Jonna was wearing the same dress when Zach ask her out on seasons 2.
Jonna actually mentioned that on afterbuzz. She said she watched SD after Seasons and noticed that and thought it was a little weird. lol
Funny part is that zach was throwing similar lines to both of them "Every guy want to be with you, you are the hottest girl in the house" lol So it was like watching a remake of the same scene with different actress
yeah I would take everyone before fresh meat over everyone after it and I'm not even one of those "Fresh Meat should have never happened they aren't the REAL cast!!" People. It really was downhill from there as far as the dudes where concerned with only a couple of exceptions.
Like, fair enough, you absolutely shouldn't take reality tv shows super seriously but ****, as a woman there's only so much misogyny I can stand to watch lol! it shouldn't be celebrated and showcased like its just ~fun tv drama~.
You can't be serious.
Go watch Girl Code or Finnding Carter then. You're a big girl, nobodies forcing you to watch this show.
You can't be serious.
Go watch Girl Code or Finnding Carter then. You're a big girl, nobodies forcing you to watch this show.
Yep and big girls express their opinion on the things they don't like about shows they choose to watch! Stay predictable.
Yeah, you've made that quite clear.
Lets not act like the girls have been nice and respectful the entire season.
Sarah has called Jordan an ******* plenty of times, Theresa has talked so much shit about Wes, Averey straight up told Reilly that she doesn't have any respect for him, and Jenna makes fun of jay every time she can, the only guys that were rude to their partners were Zach and Adam.
LOL Reilly and Jordan where also well into that "women are inferior" conversation but ok whatever fits your narrative, dude.
Personally I don't agree with that one. They were talking to Zach, yes, but he was the one who was calling "swamp donkeys" and how"these girls aren't out wives" and the "god took a rib from Adam" or whoever. I think they were just nodding.
Jordan and Reilly were participating in that conversation. They were the ones who made the "inferior" and "bear children" comments.
I know that.
But I think they were just filling in the blanks for him since he couldn't even complete his own argument. He didn't know what the hell he was saying. I just mean, we have seen this near woman hating attitude from Zach all season, and previous. Not so much from the other two. Just my opinion.
IMO the fact that they chose to fill in his blanks with that shit instead of being out rightly against it shows that they were into it. I agree that they did seem uncomfortable compared to Zach but at the end of the day they didn't go against what he was saying, ya know? Like fair enough not wanting to start an argument with ~your boys~ I can see but where they could have been silent, they literally said the inferior/ bear children comments that were not really ambiguous.
Precisely. It would have been one thing had they remained silent the entire time Zach was expressing his outdated views about women, but they didn't. They actually chimed in and came up with the "right" words that expressed Zach's caveman point of view.
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