If I saw two friends fighting, I would separate them, not get one in a headlock and then when I see I'm in the wrong go, "haha sorry I would have done that back home so I'm not wrong". She came off as incredibly psychotic and I agree that Sylvia and Violetta aren't bad people, but they came across very ugly in the last episode.
Sylvia's actions both in the moment and after goes to show how she really feels about Madison. She doesn't see Madison as a friend. If she did she wouldn't have assumed right away that it was all Madison's fault nor would she have refused to apologize.
If I saw two friends fighting, I would separate them, not get one in a headlock and then when I see I'm in the wrong go, "haha sorry I would have done that back home so I'm not wrong". She came off as incredibly psychotic and I agree that Sylvia and Violetta aren't bad people, but they came across very ugly in the last episode.
Sylvia's actions both in the moment and after goes to show how she really feels about Madison. She doesn't see Madison as a friend. If she did she wouldn't have assumed right away that it was all Madison's fault nor would she have refused to apologize.
Same for Violetta. The fact that she went so hard on Madison just a little drunk made her clear dislike of her apparent when she wasn't lucid enough to keep it in. Her delusions of Madison getting in her face make it pretty obvious.
No matter what, you should never jump someone, that is just beyond wrong and disgusting. I don't care if Violetta was Sylvia's bestfriend or that V was pleasing Syl sexually at night or that she was carrying her child...What Sylvia did was wrong and unjustifiable so please stop trying to justify her actions.
Sylvia & Violetta remind me so much of Danni & Gabi on BGC8 with Elease (the sweet innocent girl aka Madison) getting attacked over and over for no reason.
I understand why Sylvia was defending Violetta (though the chokeholding was really unnecessary), but if you find out that V was the one in the wrong, at least apologize to Madison. I still like her, but she definitely has issues that she needs to work on.
I can see why Tony calls Alyssa a stalker, the ***** is crazy. You just kissed Tony the night before and you're gonna flip on Madison for doing the same?
Violetta is such a phony, she calls out Madison for getting into Tony's business, but when Sylvia does it, it's ok. Give me a break. She says how sorry she felt about the Madison thing and that she doesn't want to be that person anymore, but then she starts saying that she's going to be the biggest ***** when her skeletons arrive. Makes total sense. And btw, Madison completely owned V in that fight.
Madison is such a sweetheart and she doesn't deserve any of this. She may seem ********, but she's way more mature than all of these people.
I said it before and I'll say it again Violetta is the covergirl for hypocrite monthly.
And just about the worst Sylvia moment was her telling them" if you didn't separate us I swear I would have killed her"
LOL at the constant praising of this girl. I'm sure if Madison had kicked the shit out of Violetta, she would be praised for that too.
That's a rather ironic statement considering there are people in this thread praising Sylvia for putting Madison in a choke hold to defend a "friend" she's only known for a couple weeks, a "friend" who didn't need to be defended because she was the one who started the fight.
And BTW, no I wouldn't praise Madison had she been the one to do that. I don't support violence.
I said it before and I'll say it again Violetta is the covergirl for hypocrite monthly. And just about the worst Sylvia moment was her telling them" if you didn't separate us I swear I would have killed her"
I can't stand her anymore, she acts like she's the biggest *****, but Madison owned her on that fight. I actually want her to do a Challenge, I'm sure she won't pull what she pulled on the Real World house. I'm sure if Nia confronted her, she would be scared shitless just like Jasmine.
Oh, and I'm sure Sylvia would have killed Madison if she could, the ***** is crazy, and not in a good way.
Is hardbitten related to Sylvia or Violetta in some way? otherwise I can't think of any reason why a user would continually try to justify their actions or minimize them.
Madison and Violetta were face to face by the end and shouting yes, but hardbitten keeps acting like Sylvia ran in seeing Madison physically attacking Violetta and so she's defending her friend by pulling her from behind and putting her in a chokehold to the point f wanting to kill her.
We all know the case, and Madison isn't just some stranger to Sylvia either. You don't just run in and get that violent on a roommate especially when you're oblivious to the situation. Defending a friend from getting shouted at by a roommate is not a good reason, and if you'd do the same in Sylvia's situation then you equally are as broken and need as much therapy as she does.
And beyond everything else, her lack of remorse even after literally SEEING herself on video, it's just so classless and sick.
If you're ok with all this hardbitten, then you need to re-evaluate your life and seek guidance yourself before you find yourself in a situation where you're duplicating that kind of behavior and putting yourself and others at risk.
man if only Syliva didn't interfere with the fight i honeslty think Madison would have beaten the crap out of Violetta. alos i don't understand why Madison is friends with Sylvia again. c'mon dude, she put you in a chokehold if i were Madison i would jump Sylvia with a hot frying pan. in a fight you never let someone punk you like that and get away with it.
Is hardbitten related to Sylvia or Violetta in some way? otherwise I can't think of any reason why a user would continually try to justify their actions or minimize them.
Madison and Violetta were face to face by the end and shouting yes, but hardbitten keeps acting like Sylvia ran in seeing Madison physically attacking Violetta and so she's defending her friend by pulling her from behind and putting her in a chokehold to the point f wanting to kill her.
We all know the case, and Madison isn't just some stranger to Sylvia either. You don't just run in and get that violent on a roommate especially when you're oblivious to the situation. Defending a friend from getting shouted at by a roommate is not a good reason, and if you'd do the same in Sylvia's situation then you equally are as broken and need as much therapy as she does. And beyond everything else, her lack of remorse even after literally SEEING herself on video, it's just so cl***less and sick. If you're ok with all this hardbitten, then you need to re-evaluate your life and seek guidance yourself before you find yourself in a situation where you're duplicating that kind of behavior and putting yourself and others at risk.
If you've actually read my posts, I've already said that I haven't been supporting either parties actions, I'm just seeing both sides to it, which you're unlikely to gather since you seem so bent up on Violetta's behavior that you look for any given reason to hate the girl.
Please tell me you're not that stupid to believe Sylvia would kill her? I'm pretty sure she knew the repercussions if that were her intentions, and even while angry and in heat of the moment, Sylvia most likely wouldn't have gone that far. Just because she said it, or was almost at the point, doesn't mean she would have actually killed her.
Sylvia saw Madison ON TOP of Violetta, plus she heard the screaming, it's most likely why she resorted to violence in that moment. If Madison hadn't been stopped, Violetta would have been hurt, but that seems to be okay because she has a horrible personality. I'm not saying Madison deserved to be hurt either, 'cause she doesn't.
Sylvia definitely shouldn't have reacted the way she did, and it was definitely terrible for her to get on Madison like that. Although some seem to believe that her intentions were driven by malice, when she actually caught sight of a friend in trouble, and rather than let her get the shit kicked out of her, she swooped in and defended her friend.
I don't like to think you'd let someone that close get their *** beaten, just because you weren't involved or you don't know the person long enough. If she or he is a friend, why not defend her? Unfortunately adjaycent, you've only managed to show how one sided you are. It's all of what you've accomplished today. I think that pretty much ends my time in this topic unless you want to keep going at it some more, but maybe I'm not the one who needs to re-evaluate their life.
Please tell me you're not that stupid to believe Sylvia would kill her? I'm pretty sure she knew the repercussions if that were her intentions, and even while angry and in heat of the moment, Sylvia most likely wouldn't have gone that far.
If Madison hadn't been stopped, Violetta would have been hurt, but that seems to be okay because she has a horrible personality.
Let's get this straight. You're worried about harmless Madison who has never been in a physical fight (that we know of based on the cast interviews and responses), of potentially actually hurting Violetta when in that shoutmatch with her. Yet, you're not as concerned about what more Sylvia could have done potentially while she's chokeholding a girl. Does that make any sense? You claim to be taking an objective stance yet you're continually minimalizing the actions and potential actions of one side, and criminalizing the potential actions of the other. For what purpose? White-knighting this thread to make yourself feel like you're simply the one honest objective observer shining light on the rest of us morons who are all only speaking out of bias and not based off the reality of the situation? Gotcha.
Sylvia definitely shouldn't have reacted the way she did, and it was definitely terrible for her to get on Madison like that. Although some seem to believe that her intentions were driven by malice, when she actually caught sight of a friend in trouble, and rather than let her get the shit kicked out of her, she swooped in and defended her frienvd.
It doesn't matter what her intentions were. Her actions were completely wrong. Our world and even criminal justice system doesn't operate based on if intentions can justify wrongdoings. When you do something wrong, you admit fault and move on. Persistent and stubborn justifications are what children do, not adults.
I don't like to think you'd let someone that close get their *** beaten, just because you weren't involved or you don't know the person long enough. If she or he is a friend, why not defend her?
If Madison was actually beating Violetta's ***, then yes you could make that argument. But she wasn't, they were face to face shouting at eachother. The only real acts of violence began when Sylvia bumrushed in and went bad-girls-club on the whole situation. And she's not even attacking a random stranger that's in Violetta's face, shes attacking another roommate that apparently she was okay with. Not to mention the fact she had absolute zero remorse about it afterward. Like how is the morality of all this even up for debate? Please don't use the normal etiquette of your highschool to measure and dictate how the rest of the normal world should behave.
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
Where is all this talk that Madison was going to whoop drunk violetta when there wasn't even any punches thrown? Smh.
All the were doing his grabbing on to each others arms and clothing. Sylvia took it far with a chockhold but some of yall are acting she stabbed Madison. Plus I'm really annoyed with the fact that no one (but Sylvia) try to stop the fight. Plus Bruno reasoning for backing nicole up is beyond stupid. It was clear he wanted to see a show, not see Madison defend herself meaning he approved of the fight while it was happening. So his comments after the fight are ireleveant because he was supporting it.
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
I have to wonder if Madison had not been "winning" that fight and their roles had been reverse, would Sylvia have put Violetta in a choke hold to get her off of Madison? I highly doubt it!
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
That's typical behavior of a bully. They purposely target people they see as "weak" because someone with a strong personality like Jason or Nicole will fight back. Violetta saves her hostile attitude for Madison because she knows Madison hates fighting and wants everybody to like her. Madison cares more about fitting in with the rest of her roommates than anything else. As bullies are known to do, Violetta is exploiting those weaknesses.
Let's get this straight. You're worried about harmless Madison who has never been in a physical fight (that we know of based on the cast interviews and responses), of potentially actually hurting Violetta when in that shoutmatch with her. Yet, you're not as concerned about what more Sylvia could have done potentially while she's chokeholding a girl. Does that make any sense? You claim to be taking an objective stance yet you're continually minimalizing the actions and potential actions of one side, and criminalizing the potential actions of the other. For what purpose? White-knighting this thread to make yourself feel like you're simply the one honest objective observer shining light on the rest of us morons who are all only speaking out of bias and not based off the reality of the situation? Gotcha.
How do you even know that Madison wouldn't have hit her? Because apparently she seems to be above that from her cast interviews? She became aggressive the moment that Violetta pushed on her head, and I doubt she would have backed off if Sylvia didn't come in. White-knighting this thread wasn't my intention, nor did I try to come off that way, I'm just pointing out that you, among others, are shitting on the girl without looking at the rest of the situation. You're just stuck on believing that Sylvia would have actually killed Madison because why, she said it out loud? She's still human enough to know the consquences of that situation. On the other hand, Madison was heated, and would have most likely never backed off of Violetta when she was close to pinning her down to the hot tub.
If Madison was actually beating Violetta's ***, then yes you could make that argument. But she wasn't, they were face to face shouting at eachother. The only real acts of violence began when Sylvia bumrushed in and went bad-girls-club on the whole situation. And she's not even attacking a random stranger that's in Violetta's face, shes attacking another roommate that apparently she was okay with. Not to mention the fact she had absolute zero remorse about it afterward. Like how is the morality of all this even up for debate? Please don't use the normal etiquette of your highschool to measure and dictate how the rest of the normal world should behave.
Madison was grabbing Violetta, and seemingly, trying to pin her down to the hot tub, it would have escalated from there had Sylvia not jumped in. You're acting like I'm okay with her actions when I've said, several times, that I'm not. I also doubt that Sylvia would have put her in a chokehold if they were just "face to face shouting".
I'd think that people of this normal world would also back someone up if a person close to them, or a friend in this case, was going as aggressively at the other as Madison was. I don't know a person who would just sit there and let it happen, but if that happens in this "normal world" of yours, then I guess I'm oh so wrong about this life. Highschool is irrelevant, so I'm not sure why that was brought up. I've only said what would have happened if Sylvia didn't run in like she was in bad girls club and chokehold Madison.
It doesn't matter what her intentions were. Her actions were completely wrong. Our world and even criminal justice system doesn't operate based on if intentions can justify wrongdoings. When you do something wrong, you admit fault and move on. Persistent and stubborn justifications are what children do, not adults.
I understand that? I'm not saying her actions were right at all, but Sylvia's intention was to go help a friend. I'm only saying that because it seems that people believe Sylvia was looking for a reason to turn on Madison, when she was only sticking up for Violetta. There was no malice behind it. I'm not sure where this criminal justice system is coming from.. So if you want to waste more energy, go ahead and explain to me why it was brought up when I've only been saying that I understand why Sylvia jumped in like she did.
Like Nicole said, these girls have no cl***. She was very much right about it.
Where is all this talk that Madison was going to whoop drunk violetta when there wasn't even any punches thrown? Smh.
All the were doing his grabbing on to each others arms and clothing. Sylvia took it far with a chockhold but some of yall are acting she stabbed Madison. Plus I'm really annoyed with the fact that no one (but Sylvia) try to stop the fight. Plus Bruno reasoning for backing nicole up is beyond stupid. It was clear he wanted to see a show, not see Madison defend herself meaning he approved of the fight while it was happening. So his comments after the fight are ireleveant because he was supporting it.
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
She is just a bully I don't buy any of her I've changed BS .
Where is all this talk that Madison was going to whoop drunk violetta when there wasn't even any punches thrown? Smh.
All the were doing his grabbing on to each others arms and clothing. Sylvia took it far with a chockhold but some of yall are acting she stabbed Madison. Plus I'm really annoyed with the fact that no one (but Sylvia) try to stop the fight. Plus Bruno reasoning for backing nicole up is beyond stupid. It was clear he wanted to see a show, not see Madison defend herself meaning he approved of the fight while it was happening. So his comments after the fight are ireleveant because he was supporting it.
Sylvia had no reason to get as aggressive as she did and the fact that she did and claimed she would have killed her and didn't even apologize is what's wrong here.
I mean it's no one's job to break up a fight and they should assume their roommates can act their age and not like teens on world star.
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
I have to wonder if Madison had not been "winning" that fight and their roles had been reverse, would Sylvia have put Violetta in a choke hold to get her off of Madison? I highly doubt it!
Her insincere apology and bad logic justifications of what she did are just proof she doesn't really like Madison. She ran in and immediately attacked. That kind of impulsiveness just shows how she feels.
Cmon guys. Its pretty obvious Sylvia jumped on Madison cuz she doesnt like her. Like i bet if Vi or Nicole were doing this to Madi Syl would probably be the one to grab the popcorn and watch while snuggling next to Bruno. I really hope Madison one if these days jumps Sylvia and beats her up by any means necessary.
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
I have to wonder if Madison had not been "winning" that fight and their roles had been reverse, would Sylvia have put Violetta in a choke hold to get her off of Madison? I highly doubt it!
Her insincere apology and bad logic justifications of what she did are just proof she doesn't really like Madison. She ran in and immediately attacked. That kind of impulsiveness just shows how she feels.
True. I cant believe ive never noticed that b4. When Jason got mad she hardly argued back.
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
I have to wonder if Madison had not been "winning" that fight and their roles had been reverse, would Sylvia have put Violetta in a choke hold to get her off of Madison? I highly doubt it!
Her insincere apology and bad logic justifications of what she did are just proof she doesn't really like Madison. She ran in and immediately attacked. That kind of impulsiveness just shows how she feels.
True. I cant believe ive never noticed that b4. When Jason got mad she hardly argued back.
Wait a minute. What about the time Vi shouted at Tony. And there's no way you can tell me Tony doesnt fight back. Maybe not like Jason or Nicole but more than Madison.
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
I have to wonder if Madison had not been "winning" that fight and their roles had been reverse, would Sylvia have put Violetta in a choke hold to get her off of Madison? I highly doubt it!
Her insincere apology and bad logic justifications of what she did are just proof she doesn't really like Madison. She ran in and immediately attacked. That kind of impulsiveness just shows how she feels.
True. I cant believe ive never noticed that b4. When Jason got mad she hardly argued back.
Wait a minute. What about the time Vi shouted at Tony. And there's no way you can tell me Tony doesnt fight back. Maybe not like Jason or Nicole but more than Madison.
She is arguing with Bruno next episode based on the promos lol She is just a mess when she is drunk
I understand Violetta isn't everyones cup of tea (i think she has serious flaws but is deep-down a good person) how could anyone hate Madi? That's like hating Gandhi or Mother Theresa
Ugh, Gandhi is such a fake. I don't buy his "peaceful" shtick. And don't get me started on Mother Theresa.
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
I have to wonder if Madison had not been "winning" that fight and their roles had been reverse, would Sylvia have put Violetta in a choke hold to get her off of Madison? I highly doubt it!
Her insincere apology and bad logic justifications of what she did are just proof she doesn't really like Madison. She ran in and immediately attacked. That kind of impulsiveness just shows how she feels.
True. I cant believe ive never noticed that b4. When Jason got mad she hardly argued back.
Wait a minute. What about the time Vi shouted at Tony. And there's no way you can tell me Tony doesnt fight back. Maybe not like Jason or Nicole but more than Madison.
This is Tony we're talking about. He always tries to stay on the good side of women. Remember when the girls were sloppy drunk and going in on Madison in the first episode and Tony's attempts to calm them down were more like flirting?
Is hardbitten related to Sylvia or Violetta in some way? otherwise I can't think of any reason why a user would continually try to justify their actions or minimize them.
Madison and Violetta were face to face by the end and shouting yes, but hardbitten keeps acting like Sylvia ran in seeing Madison physically attacking Violetta and so she's defending her friend by pulling her from behind and putting her in a chokehold to the point f wanting to kill her.
We all know the case, and Madison isn't just some stranger to Sylvia either. You don't just run in and get that violent on a roommate especially when you're oblivious to the situation. Defending a friend from getting shouted at by a roommate is not a good reason, and if you'd do the same in Sylvia's situation then you equally are as broken and need as much therapy as she does. And beyond everything else, her lack of remorse even after literally SEEING herself on video, it's just so classless and sick. If you're ok with all this hardbitten, then you need to re-evaluate your life and seek guidance yourself before you find yourself in a situation where you're duplicating that kind of behavior and putting yourself and others at risk.
I think Sylvia jumping is and choke hold Madison was fine. I mean, I would do that defeding my friend, but it's not the right thing to do either. Like it was said before, it just establishes Sylvia's relationship with both V and Madi. She obviously would have V's back more. What I did find utterly disgusting, was the Syl did not apologize or even felt the need to apologize. And when she did, she clearly stated "I don't think I need to say I'm sorry, but I'm sorry". It shows what kind of character she is, and she's someone whose self aware, but doesn't take accountability for her actions and wrondoing. I'm not a big fan of Sylvia. And also, I found Jason a bit too thirsty. Haha.
Sylvia's actions both in the moment and after goes to show how she really feels about Madison. She doesn't see Madison as a friend. If she did she wouldn't have assumed right away that it was all Madison's fault nor would she have refused to apologize.
Same for Violetta. The fact that she went so hard on Madison just a little drunk made her clear dislike of her apparent when she wasn't lucid enough to keep it in. Her delusions of Madison getting in her face make it pretty obvious.
No matter what, you should never jump someone, that is just beyond wrong and disgusting. I don't care if Violetta was Sylvia's bestfriend or that V was pleasing Syl sexually at night or that she was carrying her child...What Sylvia did was wrong and unjustifiable so please stop trying to justify her actions.
Sylvia & Violetta remind me so much of Danni & Gabi on BGC8 with Elease (the sweet innocent girl aka Madison) getting attacked over and over for no reason.
I said it before and I'll say it again Violetta is the covergirl for hypocrite monthly.
And just about the worst Sylvia moment was her telling them" if you didn't separate us I swear I would have killed her"
LOL at the constant praising of this girl. I'm sure if Madison had kicked the shit out of Violetta, she would be praised for that too.
That's a rather ironic statement considering there are people in this thread praising Sylvia for putting Madison in a choke hold to defend a "friend" she's only known for a couple weeks, a "friend" who didn't need to be defended because she was the one who started the fight.
And BTW, no I wouldn't praise Madison had she been the one to do that. I don't support violence.
I can't stand her anymore, she acts like she's the biggest *****, but Madison owned her on that fight. I actually want her to do a Challenge, I'm sure she won't pull what she pulled on the Real World house. I'm sure if Nia confronted her, she would be scared shitless just like Jasmine.
Oh, and I'm sure Sylvia would have killed Madison if she could, the ***** is crazy, and not in a good way.
Is hardbitten related to Sylvia or Violetta in some way? otherwise I can't think of any reason why a user would continually try to justify their actions or minimize them.
Madison and Violetta were face to face by the end and shouting yes, but hardbitten keeps acting like Sylvia ran in seeing Madison physically attacking Violetta and so she's defending her friend by pulling her from behind and putting her in a chokehold to the point f wanting to kill her.
We all know the case, and Madison isn't just some stranger to Sylvia either. You don't just run in and get that violent on a roommate especially when you're oblivious to the situation. Defending a friend from getting shouted at by a roommate is not a good reason, and if you'd do the same in Sylvia's situation then you equally are as broken and need as much therapy as she does.
And beyond everything else, her lack of remorse even after literally SEEING herself on video, it's just so classless and sick.
If you're ok with all this hardbitten, then you need to re-evaluate your life and seek guidance yourself before you find yourself in a situation where you're duplicating that kind of behavior and putting yourself and others at risk.
man if only Syliva didn't interfere with the fight i honeslty think Madison would have beaten the crap out of Violetta. alos i don't understand why Madison is friends with Sylvia again. c'mon dude, she put you in a chokehold if i were Madison i would jump Sylvia with a hot frying pan. in a fight you never let someone punk you like that and get away with it.
If you've actually read my posts, I've already said that I haven't been supporting either parties actions, I'm just seeing both sides to it, which you're unlikely to gather since you seem so bent up on Violetta's behavior that you look for any given reason to hate the girl.
Please tell me you're not that stupid to believe Sylvia would kill her? I'm pretty sure she knew the repercussions if that were her intentions, and even while angry and in heat of the moment, Sylvia most likely wouldn't have gone that far. Just because she said it, or was almost at the point, doesn't mean she would have actually killed her.
Sylvia saw Madison ON TOP of Violetta, plus she heard the screaming, it's most likely why she resorted to violence in that moment. If Madison hadn't been stopped, Violetta would have been hurt, but that seems to be okay because she has a horrible personality. I'm not saying Madison deserved to be hurt either, 'cause she doesn't.
Sylvia definitely shouldn't have reacted the way she did, and it was definitely terrible for her to get on Madison like that. Although some seem to believe that her intentions were driven by malice, when she actually caught sight of a friend in trouble, and rather than let her get the shit kicked out of her, she swooped in and defended her friend.
I don't like to think you'd let someone that close get their *** beaten, just because you weren't involved or you don't know the person long enough. If she or he is a friend, why not defend her? Unfortunately adjaycent, you've only managed to show how one sided you are. It's all of what you've accomplished today. I think that pretty much ends my time in this topic unless you want to keep going at it some more, but maybe I'm not the one who needs to re-evaluate their life.
Let's get this straight. You're worried about harmless Madison who has never been in a physical fight (that we know of based on the cast interviews and responses), of potentially actually hurting Violetta when in that shoutmatch with her. Yet, you're not as concerned about what more Sylvia could have done potentially while she's chokeholding a girl. Does that make any sense? You claim to be taking an objective stance yet you're continually minimalizing the actions and potential actions of one side, and criminalizing the potential actions of the other. For what purpose? White-knighting this thread to make yourself feel like you're simply the one honest objective observer shining light on the rest of us morons who are all only speaking out of bias and not based off the reality of the situation? Gotcha.
It doesn't matter what her intentions were. Her actions were completely wrong. Our world and even criminal justice system doesn't operate based on if intentions can justify wrongdoings. When you do something wrong, you admit fault and move on. Persistent and stubborn justifications are what children do, not adults.
If Madison was actually beating Violetta's ***, then yes you could make that argument. But she wasn't, they were face to face shouting at eachother. The only real acts of violence began when Sylvia bumrushed in and went bad-girls-club on the whole situation. And she's not even attacking a random stranger that's in Violetta's face, shes attacking another roommate that apparently she was okay with. Not to mention the fact she had absolute zero remorse about it afterward. Like how is the morality of all this even up for debate? Please don't use the normal etiquette of your highschool to measure and dictate how the rest of the normal world should behave.
Violetta's Skeletons Sneak Peek
http://youtu.be/DmaqU-WU1DQ
Ever notice how Violetta only tries to pull this shit on Madison? Never Nicole or any of the guys, especially since Jason already put her in check once. She will only get loud with people she thinks won't do the same back.
Where is all this talk that Madison was going to whoop drunk violetta when there wasn't even any punches thrown? Smh.
All the were doing his grabbing on to each others arms and clothing. Sylvia took it far with a chockhold but some of yall are acting she stabbed Madison. Plus I'm really annoyed with the fact that no one (but Sylvia) try to stop the fight. Plus Bruno reasoning for backing nicole up is beyond stupid. It was clear he wanted to see a show, not see Madison defend herself meaning he approved of the fight while it was happening. So his comments after the fight are ireleveant because he was supporting it.
I have to wonder if Madison had not been "winning" that fight and their roles had been reverse, would Sylvia have put Violetta in a choke hold to get her off of Madison? I highly doubt it!
That's typical behavior of a bully. They purposely target people they see as "weak" because someone with a strong personality like Jason or Nicole will fight back. Violetta saves her hostile attitude for Madison because she knows Madison hates fighting and wants everybody to like her. Madison cares more about fitting in with the rest of her roommates than anything else. As bullies are known to do, Violetta is exploiting those weaknesses.
the girl in the red looks like a ***** haha
How do you even know that Madison wouldn't have hit her? Because apparently she seems to be above that from her cast interviews? She became aggressive the moment that Violetta pushed on her head, and I doubt she would have backed off if Sylvia didn't come in. White-knighting this thread wasn't my intention, nor did I try to come off that way, I'm just pointing out that you, among others, are shitting on the girl without looking at the rest of the situation. You're just stuck on believing that Sylvia would have actually killed Madison because why, she said it out loud? She's still human enough to know the consquences of that situation. On the other hand, Madison was heated, and would have most likely never backed off of Violetta when she was close to pinning her down to the hot tub.
Madison was grabbing Violetta, and seemingly, trying to pin her down to the hot tub, it would have escalated from there had Sylvia not jumped in. You're acting like I'm okay with her actions when I've said, several times, that I'm not. I also doubt that Sylvia would have put her in a chokehold if they were just "face to face shouting".
I'd think that people of this normal world would also back someone up if a person close to them, or a friend in this case, was going as aggressively at the other as Madison was. I don't know a person who would just sit there and let it happen, but if that happens in this "normal world" of yours, then I guess I'm oh so wrong about this life. Highschool is irrelevant, so I'm not sure why that was brought up. I've only said what would have happened if Sylvia didn't run in like she was in bad girls club and chokehold Madison.
I understand that? I'm not saying her actions were right at all, but Sylvia's intention was to go help a friend. I'm only saying that because it seems that people believe Sylvia was looking for a reason to turn on Madison, when she was only sticking up for Violetta. There was no malice behind it. I'm not sure where this criminal justice system is coming from.. So if you want to waste more energy, go ahead and explain to me why it was brought up when I've only been saying that I understand why Sylvia jumped in like she did.
Like Nicole said, these girls have no cl***. She was very much right about it.
Also, very true.
She is just a bully I don't buy any of her I've changed BS .
Sylvia had no reason to get as aggressive as she did and the fact that she did and claimed she would have killed her and didn't even apologize is what's wrong here.
I mean it's no one's job to break up a fight and they should assume their roommates can act their age and not like teens on world star.
Her insincere apology and bad logic justifications of what she did are just proof she doesn't really like Madison. She ran in and immediately attacked. That kind of impulsiveness just shows how she feels.
Cmon guys. Its pretty obvious Sylvia jumped on Madison cuz she doesnt like her. Like i bet if Vi or Nicole were doing this to Madi Syl would probably be the one to grab the popcorn and watch while snuggling next to Bruno. I really hope Madison one if these days jumps Sylvia and beats her up by any means necessary.
True. I cant believe ive never noticed that b4. When Jason got mad she hardly argued back.
Wait a minute. What about the time Vi shouted at Tony. And there's no way you can tell me Tony doesnt fight back. Maybe not like Jason or Nicole but more than Madison.
She is arguing with Bruno next episode based on the promos lol She is just a mess when she is drunk
Ugh, Gandhi is such a fake. I don't buy his "peaceful" shtick. And don't get me started on Mother Theresa.
This is Tony we're talking about. He always tries to stay on the good side of women. Remember when the girls were sloppy drunk and going in on Madison in the first episode and Tony's attempts to calm them down were more like flirting?
I think Sylvia jumping is and choke hold Madison was fine. I mean, I would do that defeding my friend, but it's not the right thing to do either. Like it was said before, it just establishes Sylvia's relationship with both V and Madi. She obviously would have V's back more. What I did find utterly disgusting, was the Syl did not apologize or even felt the need to apologize. And when she did, she clearly stated "I don't think I need to say I'm sorry, but I'm sorry". It shows what kind of character she is, and she's someone whose self aware, but doesn't take accountability for her actions and wrondoing. I'm not a big fan of Sylvia. And also, I found Jason a bit too thirsty. Haha.
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