[QUOTE=JL81790;428933]And Johnny was overall the best male athletic performer on Exes because there was only one mission where they competed as individuals and Johnny destroyed CT on it twice(Lube Me Up).[/QUOTE]
Okay, so Johnny was the best individual performer just because he won ONE mission?? Also, CT smoked Johnny in Feel The Burn which was much more difficult to complete than Lube Me Up.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428939]Okay, so Johnny was the best individual performer just because he won ONE mission?? Also, CT smoked Johnny in Feel The Burn which was much more difficult to complete than Lube Me Up.[/QUOTE]
You said you don't count paired missions. Lube Me Up was the only individual mission. Johnny had no problem with the jet wash...but he had to watch Camila run a hundred yards 4 times to get the pool toys that flew away...I'd say that affected their time quite a bit. I see we're counting paired challenges when it's convenient for you.
If that's the case, Johnny smoked him on the Hook Challenge since he did all of the work. Make a choice, pairs or no pairs.
[QUOTE=kollanekoer;428938]I do not get it. Does someone really think that Bananas is overall best male at the challenge? :/[/QUOTE]
Nobody is saying Bananas is the best, but saying Zach performed better than him on Free Agents is delusional. Yes, he is bigger, faster and stronger, but that doesn't win a final. He only won Seasons because the other teams were horrible.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428936]Performance doesn't always equal a win! That's what you're not getting. Too many things can happen in a final mission.[/QUOTE]
And we judge THEIR performance in the FINAL
See Zach being awful with Laurel--pathetic.
Zach's performance in the final, for me, ruins everything he did prior. If you disagree that's called an opinion. There's no right or wrong contrary to what you believe. There is only opinion and what one values. You value whatever you need to value to prove a point that few intelligent people would agree with. That's fine. Normal people, intelligent people, sane people comprehend these things
[QUOTE=kollanekoer;428938]I do not get it. Does someone really think that Bananas is overall best male at the challenge? :/[/QUOTE]
I don't get it. Do people not comprehend that the ultimate goal of The Challenge is to win The Challenge? Is Zach better than Bananas at The Challenge because he is a bigger person? We just saw his body break down on the final mission, an extremely integral element of The Challenge. Bananas has yet to allow his body to break down in a final mission. Zack could have prevented that from happening by ensuring his body was getting the proper nutrition leading up to the final mission. This shows he isn't mentally there yet to be considered top dog in The Challenge.
[QUOTE=JL81790;428937]You just said in another post that Zach would've [B][I][U]certainly[/U][/I][/B] beaten Johnny if the final had been individuals. Are you changing your tune now? Johnny beat him by over a half hour on the bike and then by over an hour on the mountain...the individual parts of the final. "Certainly" nothing.[/QUOTE]
The first part of the final appeared to have drained Zach quite a bit (working with Devyn), and Zach simply lost his cool in the final.
[QUOTE=JL81790;428940]You said you don't count paired missions. Lube Me Up was the only individual mission. Johnny had no problem with the jet wash...but he had to watch Camila run a hundred yards 4 times to get the pool toys that flew away...I'd say that affected their time quite a bit. I see we're counting paired challenges when it's convenient for you.
If that's the case, Johnny smoked him on the Hook Challenge since he did all of the work. Make a choice, pairs or no pairs.[/QUOTE]
I only count pair missions that show off the most individual strength. Johnny had the best female performer in Camila on Exes, that's always an advantage.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428947]The first part of the final appeared to have drained Zach quite a bit (working with Devyn), and Zach simply [B]lost his cool[/B] in the final.[/QUOTE]
ie--not a good competitor. Competitors know how to control their emotions...that's what makes one successful. Zach has none of that.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428947]The first part of the final appeared to have drained Zach quite a bit (working with Devyn), and Zach simply lost his cool in the final.[/QUOTE]
And it appears that carrying another human on his back for six miles, when Zach only had to jog with Nany, didn't drain Bananas. Again, Zach doesn't have the gas Johnny does. It's not even debatable.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428948]I only count pair missions that show off the most individual strength. Johnny had the best female performer in Camila on Exes, that's always an advantage.[/QUOTE]
And that "best female" put in a horrible performance with that mission. Johnny easily ran through the jet wash every single time, their poor performance is by no means a reflection of him.
There was one purely individual performance on Exes, and Johnny not only won, but he won handily and it was pretty much stated by everyone that it was something that CT should've destroyed him at.
It's nearly impossible to compare the competitors from today such as Johnny to someone like Theo or Dan S. The earlier mission, elimination rounds, and finals were nothing compared to how they are today.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428948]I only count pair missions that show off the most individual strength. Johnny had the best female performer in Camila on Exes, that's always an advantage.[/QUOTE]
Again, you dismissing anything that doesn't fit your argument
I love Camila being better than Emily too.
[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;428951]It's nearly impossible to compare the competitors from today such as Johnny to someone like Theo or Dan S. The earlier mission, elimination rounds, and finals were nothing compared to how they are today.[/QUOTE]
Correct
[QUOTE=kvm1977;428942]And we judge THEIR performance in the FINAL
See Zach being awful with Laurel--pathetic.
Zach's performance in the final, for me, ruins everything he did prior. If you disagree that's called an opinion. There's no right or wrong contrary to what you believe. There is only opinion and what one values. You value whatever you need to value to prove a point that few intelligent people would agree with. That's fine. Normal people, intelligent people, sane people comprehend these things[/QUOTE]
Zach had a poor performance in the final, but that doesn't take away from his overall performance on the challenge. It's ridiculous to discredit a competitors entire challenge performance because of one mission (I don't care that its the final mission).
[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;428951]It's nearly impossible to compare the competitors from today such as Johnny to someone like Theo or Dan S. The earlier mission, elimination rounds, and finals were nothing compared to how they are today.[/QUOTE]
Exactly. Anyone with an understanding of sports gets this. It's why players in the NBA shouldn't be compared straight across with people from the past and pundits always say that they shouldn't be because the game is so different. I think it's laughable that because a guy could what? Pack a car faster than a bunch of girls or rub paint on a canvas with his body really well, he should be considered comparable to what they make them do today.
[QUOTE=JL81790;428950]And it appears that carrying another human on his back for six miles, when Zach only had to jog with Nany, didn't drain Bananas. Again, Zach doesn't have the gas Johnny does. It's not even debatable.
And that "best female" put in a horrible performance with that mission. Johnny easily ran through the jet wash every single time, their poor performance is by no means a reflection of him.
[B]There was one purely individual performance on Exes, and Johnny not only won, but he won handily and it was pretty much stated by everyone that it was something that CT should've destroyed him at[/B].[/QUOTE]
Who knows what happened to CT in Lupe Me Up, you cannot count that one mission and say Johnny was the best male performer.
My top 2 competitors who I think are the best are Landon and Bananas. It is hard to judge who is the best because they are both good at different things plus we haven't seen Landon in awhile. Bananas is the smartest competitor by far but Landon is probably better at the challenges itself. The duel 2 he won every challenge basically and it was easy to him. Bananas is good at the political game plus he is always firguring out smart ways to solve things like the puzzle on the final or on inferno 3 the dinosaur pieces trick. It is hard to judge since we have never seen them compete together.
Darrel is also one of the best but like I've said we haven't seen him in awhile considering how different/more intense the finals are now.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;428957]I don't care that you don't care.
The intellectual disparity here is disturbing. I think we're conversing with a little kid.[/QUOTE]
You don't know competitors, simple as that. I have MUCH more credibility than you because I've seen all of the challenges and analyzed them.
[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;428951]It's nearly impossible to compare the competitors from today such as Johnny to someone like Theo or Dan S. The earlier mission, elimination rounds, and finals were nothing compared to how they are today.[/QUOTE]
The older challenges had better overall male and female competitors, the only thing that's harder in the new era are the final missions.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428959]Who knows what happened to CT in Lupe Me Up, you cannot count that one mission and say Johnny was the best male performer.[/QUOTE]
Ahahaha...and who knows what happened to Johnny in Sausage Party and Piggy Back? Are we dealing in hypotheticals now? Is that what we're doing?
You said INDIVIDUAL CHALLENGE STATS. One challenge on Exes was about individual performance. Johnny won. Therefore, he did the best based on individual challenge performance. Follow the simple line of logic.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428962]You don't know competitors, simple as that. I have MUCH more credibility than you because I've seen all of the challenges and analyzed them.[/QUOTE]
No, you don't know competitors. You aren't an athlete.
You have zero credibility. None. Zilch. Nada.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428948]I only count pair missions that show off the most individual strength. Johnny had the best female performer in Camila on Exes, that's always an advantage.[/QUOTE]
But just because someone has a good partner doesn't mean we should overlook their performance.
[QUOTE=JL81790;428956]Exactly. Anyone with an understanding of sports gets this. It's why players in the NBA shouldn't be compared straight across with people from the past and pundits always say that they shouldn't be because the game is so different. I think it's laughable that because a guy could what?[B] Pack a car faster than a bunch of girls or rub paint on a canvas with his body really well, he should be considered comparable to what they make them do today[/B].[/QUOTE]
I can name several missions in the old era that were just as difficult as any mission in the new era.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;428967]But just because someone has a good partner doesn't mean we should overlook their performance.[/QUOTE]
I didn't state that, I said its an advantage. Camila was clearly better partner than what Mark and CT had on Exes.
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;428961]My top 2 competitors who I think are the best are Landon and Bananas. It is hard to judge who is the best because they are both good at different things plus we haven't seen Landon in awhile. Bananas is the smartest competitor by far but Landon is probably better at the challenges itself. The duel 2 he won every challenge basically and it was easy to him. Bananas is good at the political game plus he is always firguring out smart ways to solve things like the puzzle on the final or on inferno 3 the dinosaur pieces trick. It is hard to judge since we have never seen them compete together.
Darrel is also one of the best but like I've said we haven't seen him in awhile considering how different/more intense the finals are now.[/QUOTE]
Landon would beat Bananas at everything. I think it is pretty clear. I can not think anything where abananas would be better.
And he is not the only one who is bettet than Backbag
[QUOTE=JL81790;428965]Ahahaha...and who knows what happened to Johnny in Sausage Party and Piggy Back? Are we dealing in hypotheticals now? Is that what we're doing?
You said INDIVIDUAL CHALLENGE STATS. One challenge on Exes was about individual performance. Johnny won. Therefore, he did the best based on individual challenge performance. Follow the simple line of logic.[/QUOTE]
Johnny outperformed by CT in Lupe Me Up, but CT outperformed Johnny in Feel The Burn (Johnny was even impressed by his performance). Johnny was not the best individual male performer on Exes, there isn't enough mission stats to support that. And I can easily say Mark outperformed Johnny in Don't Rock The Boat since he had the best strategy out of all of the males.
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