[QUOTE=nevidcm;428851]We're never gonna agree on whose the best, so let just change topics. Who do you guys want to see make a return. Mine are KellyAnne, Kimberly, Darrell, Derrick, Ruthie, Frank R., Landon and Kina.[/QUOTE]
Didn't state that Mark and Theo are overrated? Explain why.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428853]Didn't state that Mark and Theo are overrated? Explain why.[/QUOTE]
You just can't let things go. I have seen the Gauntlet 2 a couple of times and I have never seen Mark shining on any of the missions. He was always solid, but nowhere near the best. Theo was clearly outperformed by Evan on Fresh Meat, winning a bunch of missions until they were DQed. I'm not saying Evan is better than Theo, since recently he has downgraded a lot, but I have never understood the hype around him.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;428851]Who do you guys want to see make a return. Mine are KellyAnne, Kimberly, Darrell, Derrick, Ruthie, Frank R., Landon and Kina.[/QUOTE]
Everyone you listed, Lacey, Mallory, Kendal, Katie, Brianna, the list goes on!
Who do you want to see make their debut? I'd say Baya, Bronne, Will, Mike M, Josh, Andrew, Ashley, Erika, Sahar, and Eric.
[QUOTE=LurkerNoMore;428856]Everyone you listed, Lacey, Mallory, Kendal, Katie, Brianna, the list goes on!
Who do you want to see make their debut? I'd say Baya, Bronne, Will, Mike M, Josh, Andrew, Ashley, Erika, Sahar, and Eric.[/QUOTE]
How could I forget about Katie and Kendal.
Who I want to see make their debut: Baya, Scott, Simon, Trisha, Parisa, Bronne, Mike M., Ashley L., Averey, Brian, Jenny, Hailey, Arielle, Ashlee and Cory.
[QUOTE=nevidcm;428855]You just can't let things go. I have seen the Gauntlet 2 a couple of times and I have never seen Mark shining on any of the missions. He was always solid, but nowhere near the best. Theo was clearly outperformed by Evan on Fresh Meat, winning a bunch of missions until they were DQed. I'm not saying Evan is better than Theo, since recently he has downgraded a lot, but I have never understood the hype around him.[/QUOTE]
The Gauntlet 2 was too team oriented to show off individual strength. You clearly haven't seen the original Battle of the ****, Batte of the Sexes 2, and the Duel 2 (Mark was a top performer on all three). As for Theo and Evan, you're wrong. Evan had the advantage of having the best female partner in Coral, Theo outperformed Evan in Crossed Paths and Jail Break (because Evan and Coral threw that mission) while Evan outperformed Theo in Hang Man (though Chanda weighed more than Coral). Theo was slightly better than Evan before Evan's departure. The problem with you is you haven't analyzed Battle of the Seasons, the Gauntlet and Battle of the Sexes 2, all of which, Theo was the best performer.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428863]The Gauntlet 2 was too team oriented to show off individual strength. You clearly haven't seen the original Battle of the ****, Batte of the Sexes 2, and the Duel 2 (Mark was a top performer on all three). As for Theo and Evan, you're wrong. Evan had the advantage of having the best female partner in Coral, Theo outperformed Evan in Crossed Paths and Jail Break (because Evan and Coral threw that mission) while Evan outperformed Theo in Hang Man (though Chanda weighed more than Coral). Theo was slightly better than Evan before Evan's departure. The problem with you is [B]you haven't analyzed[/B] Battle of the Seasons, the Gauntlet and Battle of the Sexes 2, all of which, Theo was the best performer.[/QUOTE]
i'm a diehard fan, but you are just freaking crazy..
[QUOTE=Kripsters1;428871]i'm a diehard fan, but you are just freaking crazy..[/QUOTE]
If you're going to make bold statements about competitors and their rankings, at least back it up with statistics and logic.
[QUOTE=MTV Junky;428877]Bananas dominates the final challenges and the social game, there really isn't much else needed to be said.[/QUOTE]
How many ******* times do I have to state that those things are irrelevant?? I'm talking strictly about individual performance/statistics in missions (and elimination rounds) and overall ability. Johnny is nowhere near the level of some of the best competitors all time.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428876]It's mindboggling that some people have stated that Johnny and Kenny are better than Theo Von and Dan S.[/QUOTE]
It is honestly difficult to compare them
Dan S in particular since I don't see him doing very well at eliminations
Now, I think both are better than Kenny but there's a case for Johnny. That should be obvious to anyone that is being honest
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428878]How many ******* times do I have to state that those things are irrelevant?? I'm talking strictly about individual performance/statistics in missions (and elimination rounds) and overall ability. Johnny is nowhere near the level of some of the best competitors all time.[/QUOTE]
My bad dude I just joined the conversation. No need to throw a temper tantrum.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428878]How many ******* times do I have to state that those things are irrelevant?? I'm talking strictly about individual performance/statistics in missions (and elimination rounds) and overall ability. Johnny is nowhere near the level of some of the best competitors all time.[/QUOTE]
You don't DICTATE what people put value in. With Theo & Dan you ONLY have missions--that's not enough for everyone. Theo is 0-1 in elimination rounds. To be a great competitor you MUST be able to win H2H IMO.
Johnny is much more athletic than you will ever give him credit for. Are/were you an athlete? I'm guessing you aren't/weren't
[QUOTE=kvm1977;428879]It is honestly difficult to compare them
Dan S in particular since[B] I don't see him doing very well at eliminations[/B]
Now, I think both are better than Kenny but there's a case for Johnny. That should be obvious to anyone that is being honest[/QUOTE]
He would do well in most elimination rounds, he was very well rounded (one of the most complete competitors all time). Johnny is not in the same conversation as Dan or Theo, when has Johnny been the best competitor statistically (mission wise) on a challenge? Zach was better performer than Johnny on Free Agents.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;428881]You don't DICTATE what people put value in. With Theo & Dan you ONLY have missions--that's not enough for everyone. Theo is 0-1 in elimination rounds. [B] To be a great competitor you MUST be able to win H2H IMO.
[/B]Johnny is much more athletic than you will ever give him credit for. Are/were you an athlete? I'm guessing you aren't/weren't[/QUOTE]
Missions make up the majority of a competitors individual stats, not elimination rounds (though I'm not saying they aren't important), and both Dan and Theo earned wins on Battle of the Sexes 2 (if you want to take wins into consideration). Johnny is not as good athletically as some of the best competitors, simple as that. Site on individual athletic performance in which Johnny was the single best performer (or even second best). Dan and Theo were both top two performers in athletic missions at one point.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428883]He would do well in most elimination rounds, he was very well rounded (one of the most complete competitors all time). Johnny is not in the same conversation as Dan or Theo, when has Johnny been the best competitor statistically (mission wise) on a challenge? Zach was better performer than Johnny on Free Agents.[/QUOTE]
Anything overly physical he'd have a very limited shot on due to size
You keep stating stuff as fact which is merely opinion
JOHNNY > ZACH in Free Agents...look no further than the crier in the final. See him with Laurel-pathetic. Not in the same league as Johnny and I hate Johnny.
Right now I hate you as I have to defend him from your nonsense.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428885]Missions make up the majority of a competitors individual stats, not elimination rounds (though I'm not saying they aren't important), and both Dan and Theo earned wins on Battle of the Sexes 2 (if you want to take wins into consideration). Johnny is not as good athletically as some of the best competitors, simple as that. Site on individual athletic performance in which Johnny was the single best performer (or even second best). Dan and Theo were both top two performers in athletic missions at one point.[/QUOTE]
Battle of the Sexes 2 had them win missions against women--means nothing
[QUOTE=kvm1977;428886]Anything overly physical he'd have a very limited shot on due to size
You keep stating stuff as fact which is merely opinion
JOHNNY > ZACH in Free Agent...look no further than the crier in the final. See him with Laurel-pathetic. Not in the same league as Johnny and I hate Johnny.
Right now I hate you as I have to defend him from your nonsense.[/QUOTE]
Zach outperformed Johnny overall, you can't just site one mission (not even a mission that was phase).
[QUOTE=kvm1977;428889]Someone needs to punch you[/QUOTE]
Agreed. Most annoying poster of 2014.
Calm it down and let people have an opinion. You're opinion is not correct, nor is it incorrect. Relax.
[QUOTE=kvm1977;428889]Someone needs to punch you[/QUOTE]
You need to be punched, Johnny is not a top tier competitor all time. He's in the middle of the pack, with competitors like Darrell, Eric Nies, James, Wes, Colin and Adam Larson.
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428890]Zach outperformed Johnny overall, you can't just site one mission (not even a mission that was phase).[/QUOTE]
You just ignore ANYTHING that doesn't support your idiotic claims
You are NOT and never were an athlete that is obivous
The stupidity here is overwhelming. Again, someone needs to punch you. You'd never get up
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428892]You need to be punched, Johnny is not a top tier competitor all time. He's in the middle of the pack, with competitors like Darrell, Eric Nies, James, Wes, Colin and Adam Larson.[/QUOTE]
You can say it a million times. No one with a brain is going to agree.
And Darrell is "middle of the pack"
Seriously, are you 12?
[QUOTE=PaulX001;428895]Because I'm the most logical and state facts. Truth is hate to the ignorant.[/QUOTE]
You don't even know what logic is
Just like you don't comprehend opinion vs. fact
[QUOTE=kvm1977;428893]You just ignore ANYTHING that doesn't support your idiotic claims
You are NOT and never were an athlete that is obivous
The stupidity here is overwhelming. Again, someone needs to punch you. You'd never get up[/QUOTE]
Again, name ONE athletic based mission in which Johnny was a top two performer.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;428891]Agreed. Most annoying poster of 2014.[/QUOTE]
lol he's been doing this for years. We are basically talking about something that's so subjective.
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