[QUOTE=Fullback12;348666][B]Wow. seriously in the episode when Dustin slapped/shoved Frank's face that was the most viewed episode last season[/B]. And if you look back at BOTS trailer all you see is Frank getting into fights/getting into peoples's faces. And we all know that the trailer is the thing that pulls people in to watch the show. Put it this way if Frank wasn't on BOTS no episode would have reached 1 million because, no one else really started drama in the house.[/QUOTE]
Let me put something into perspective for you. That being the most viewed episode last season (1.344) doesn't mean ****, because episodes 1 and 3 on Fresh Meat II (1.386, 1.563 respectively) had more viewers than that episode on Seasons and virtually nothing happened on those 2 episodes of Fresh Meat II except maybe Jenn hitting Mandi. Also, episode 9 of Seasons had 1.344 viewers, episode 2 on Rivals had 1.357, which was lowest that season. So the episode with the least amount of viewers on Rivals was still more than the most amount of viewers on Seasons.
[QUOTE=El Scorcho;348821]In all honesty, the lowest rated RW season was San Diego 2 and the lowest rated challenge was Battle of the Seasons 2, both of which Frank was on, and both of which he played the main role.[/QUOTE]
I don't think you can blame Frank for Battle of the Seasons bad ratings. You gotta remember that cast was made up entirely of rookies that people weren't familiar with so they just tuned out. And as far as San Diego..most of the people in that cast were either boring or unlikable so you can't really blame that on Frank either.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;348886]I don't think you can blame Frank for Battle of the Seasons bad ratings. You gotta remember that cast was made up entirely of rookies that people weren't familiar with so they just tuned out. And as far as San Diego..most of the people in that cast were either boring or unlikable so you can't really blame that on Frank either.[/QUOTE]
Frank was unlikable as well, so you can. I can't tell you how many comments I've read on mtv.com, twitter, etc. where people said Frank made them want to NOT tune in.
[QUOTE=Fresh Meat;348887]Frank was unlikable as well, so you can. I can't tell you how many comments I've read on mtv.com, twitter, etc. where people said Frank made them want to NOT tune in.[/QUOTE]
I can see why he was unlikable to some but he wasn't the only one.
But Honestly...I don't know. I can see why people don't like Frank but he really doesn't bother me at all. I guess it's because I feel like his partner (and his two friends/alliance partners) have done far worse than him.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;348889]I can see why he was unlikable to some but he wasn't the only one.
But Honestly...I don't know. I can see why people don't like Frank but he really doesn't bother me at all. I guess it's because I feel like his partner (and his two friends/alliance partners) have done far worse than him.[/QUOTE]
JEK are ****, but Frank is right there with him.
Frank is the leader of the new school kids but, I really don't think Johnny is the leader of the vets that would probaly be like Evan,Kenny or Wes not Johnny.
[QUOTE=Fullback12;349248]Frank is the leader of the new school kids but, I really don't think Johnny is the leader of the vets that would probaly be like Evan,Kenny or [B]Wes[/B] not Johnny.[/QUOTE]
Aside from Fresh Meat 2 (when they were actually listening to Evelyn), when has anyone listened to Wes?
I'd put Mark Long in that mix for the guys before Wes.
[QUOTE=JL81790;349318]Aside from Fresh Meat 2 (when they were actually listening to Evelyn), when has anyone listened to Wes?
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On Rivals he convinced Evan to go against CT. And when ever strategy was involved he just told Kenny to shut up and he did. He also managed to put Johnny and Tyler in the last elemination round instead of him and Kenny.
So you could they he was the main strategist (is that a word?) on Rivals 1.
edit: sorry for going offtopic maybe we should discuss this in the CT/Wes thread.
I think it depends on who is in the cast. A lot of the new girls really like CT (As townie said weeks ago they were totally starstuck) they'll vote with him. Plus you can't really beat CT in a physical elimination round, so you're probably afraid of him and you just vote with him.
It is a known fact that Wes gets along with almost everybody when cameras are not involved and Wes is pretty open for the newer cast, whereas a lot don't really like Johnny/Mark, because when their true alliance member are there too, they stick with their buddies and preshow alliances so you don't really have a chance to get far. The only reason why they voted with Johnny, is because he's in the majority thanks to his preshow alliance. Johnny doesn't really make a lot of friends with the newer cast (Or it seems so!) With Frank as the leader ... if Frank and Zach don't get along after this challenge, you'll definitely have two leaders with two groups.
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It is a known fact that Wes gets along with almost everybody when cameras are not involved and Wes is pretty open for the newer cast, whereas a lot don't really like Johnny/Mark, because when their true alliance member are there too, they stick with their buddies and preshow alliances so you don't really have a chance to get far. The only reason why they voted with Johnny, is because he's in the majority thanks to his preshow alliance. [B]Johnny doesn't really make a lot of friends with the newer cast[/B] (Or it seems so!) With Frank as the leader ... if Frank and Zach don't get along after this challenge, you'll definitely have two leaders with two groups.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't necessarily say that. If we look from the Ruins onward that doesn't seem to be the case. Johnny became close with Sarah on that show and there were no real "new" guys aside from Chet who left in the first episode. On Cutthroat he became close friends with Ty, Emily, Theresa, and Camila (all of whom he worked with on later challenges) and Leroy and Mike both said that Johnny was one of the closest friends they had made on Rivals. I don't think Johnny has a problem with new people...he just doesn't like ones like Frank and Zach who come in on their first one and think that they're the Chosen Ones. He also didn't get along with Heather on Exes because he teased Dustin over twitter and Heather, like always, felt the need to defend him and fire shots back.
On two of Johnny's first three challenges he was thrown to the wolves at first opportunity. The Inferno III was the only exception mainly because he a) had friends on the ******** (Kenny, Derrick, Abram) and b) was the default 2nd best male competitor on that team after Alton because his other guys were Davis, Ace, and a past his prime Timmy. As dumb as it sounds he seems to just believe that there's a "process" for new people and because he had to deal with it, everyone else should too.
Johnny and Wes are opposites in that I think that a lot of people may not like Johnny as a guy because he's loud and *******, but as a "challenger" he seems pretty straight forward and honest..."these are the people I'm working with, if you aren't one of them, I'm gonna try to get you out of here. Sorry". On the other hand, a lot of people like Wes as a guy off the shows, but on the show they can't trust him because he's a snake.
To tell you guys the truth I really think the true leader of the Vets is Evan. The dude ran the whole entire Ruins he was calling the shots and that season had Kenny,Wes,Johnny, and Derrick but, he was the one calling the shots even, Johnny called him the leader in a confessional. On Duel 2 he again ran the house with people like Mark,Landon, and Brad on it. In Rivals Wes didn't force him to go against CT he chose to and threw the challenge so he would go in elimination.
[QUOTE=JL81790;349318]Aside from Fresh Meat 2 (when they were actually listening to Evelyn), when has anyone listened to Wes?
I'd put Mark Long in that mix for the guys before Wes.[/QUOTE]
Everybody listens to Wes, on FM2 they all did, Evelyn tells Wes what to do and he tells everyone else what to do, he convinced everyone to vote out Darrel. And if you noticed they always got Wes to do the talking when it came to convincing the girls to put CT last (probably cause Ev wont listen to JEK)and when Paula/Ev wanted Camilla/Theresa to get voted in, Wes went and tried to convince Evan and Kenny to do it, thats why Evan was yelling at Paula and said she didnt come directly to him about it but instead had Wes do it. He just follows Evelyn, and he admits he just does w/e she tells him, guess they think he has more authority over Evelyn and its better if ppl hate on him rather than her. He got Leroy/Mike to choose him and Kenny over Johnny/Tyler, imagine what would have happened if he said nothing, Kenny didnt think to immediately ask for their vote and lucky for them they had to vote on the spot (wouldnt be surprised if Wes somehow knew that cause I think that guy gets inside info)
[QUOTE=DarkFights;350849]"Bananas Is Back!" promo:
[video]http://www.mtv.com/videos/misc/931083/bananas-is-back.jhtml#id=1709322[/video][/QUOTE]
haha i find this the best one, maybe a bit biased :P
[QUOTE=JEKFAN;350866]I love Bananas but he looks a lot older and his hair is awful..[/QUOTE]
That Matthew McConaughey hairdo is really not working out for him.
Johnny looks terrible, Ive never found him attractive but he looks worse than usual. He looks like he's aged 10yrs since we last saw him. He should cut his hair, some of these guys age terribly while others like CT/Brad/Darrell look exactly the same, some start looking like teenagers and end up looking scruffy and old
[QUOTE=Blue123;350881]Johnny looks terrible, Ive never found him attractive but he looks worse than usual. He looks like he's aged 10yrs since we last saw him. He should cut his hair, some of these guys age terribly while others like CT/Brad/Darrell look exactly the same, some start looking like teenagers and end up looking scruffy and old[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I agree. I was watching Rivals 1 and he actually looked pretty good. A lot happened in 2 years.
Why does Bananas keep growing his hair like that ? He needs to stop it. I wonder how CT would look if he grew his hair back out kind of how he looked on Gauntlet 3.
[QUOTE=Fullback12;350904]Why does Bananas keep growing his hair like that ? He needs to stop it. I wonder how CT would look if he grew his hair back out kind of how he looked on Gauntlet 3.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, honestly. Johnny feels the overwhelming need to change his hair more than Bulma every season of the Challenge.
Frank is, yet again, talking *** about CT on twitter by sub-tweeting about him and saying he's not scared of him.
I wish CT would run into him in a bar in Boston so he would vegetabletize him.
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