The Challenge: Generic Thread

[QUOTE=kvm1977;315827]I like Katie & Jenn--other than that I agree. People like [B]Vinny, Tyrie, Casey, Shauvon, Davis[/B], etc that keep coming back annoy me. If I ever see Shauvon again I'm turning it off until she leaves.[/QUOTE] You're acting like we see these people all the time. Tyrie has been a part of 2 of the past 6 challenges. Casey hasn't done a challenge since The Ruins (5 seasons ago). Shauvon hasn't been on TV since Cutthroat. Davis has been on 3 challenges: The Inferno 3, The Duel 2, and Rivals. All of them with multiple seasons in between. Vinny has done 3 of the past 5 challenges.

Here's how I see it. I don't mind people coming back challenge after challenge. I see why they do it. But the problem I have is when people keep coming back challenge after challenge and bring absolutley NOTHING to the table. All these new veterans..John, Paula, Kenny...What have they done? What entertainment do they bring? What type of strategy do they employ? NONE. I feel like if you gonna be on every damn challenge you better bring some Entertainment or some gamplay into the mix. Don't come on these shows and do nothing but take up space and that's what I feel like alot of these regulars do...Take up space.

[QUOTE=Lionqueen11;315652]Do you guys remember the days when the challenge intros didn't stink? I miss them having actual songs.[/QUOTE] Yeah I'm with you...I miss hearing the songs and having the actual cast in the intro dancing and/or smiling. Now it's just a bunch of challenge footage and TJ lavin as host...sad. Speaking as such...With this challenge being kind of a New Generation type of thing cast wise. Maybe BMP should've invested in a new host.

Really? You guys would rather go back to Duel 2 intros?

[QUOTE=TSPKM2;315817]I think it's obvious that Johnny, Paula, Kenny and Evan are feeling a little threatened and jealous about the attention this season is getting with new players. I mean all 4 of them have taken a challenge off before since their challenge debuts so them making a big deal about this one and them not being on has a lot to do with a bunch of new people coming in that can be equally liked by the viewers and these players could give them a run for their money in future challenges...plus all the hype around this new format plus with Trishelle being there and Danny and Melindas presence as well. I think JEK and Paula might be a little scared of their up and coming competition...they've ruled for so long with little fresh blood challenging them....they might get whats coming to them shortly.[/QUOTE] You know what? They need to get the hell over it. They should've know that they weren't gonna be on top of the challenge food chain forever. They should've know that at some point they were gonna get knocked off their pedestals either by the cast (however unlikely) or producers. The fact that they're pissed that BMP is finally focusing on this new wave of challengers just shows how entitled they are.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;315868]Really? You guys would rather go back to Duel 2 intros?[/QUOTE] I'm thinking more on the lines of Battle of the Sexes 1, The Inferno 1, And The Gauntlet 1,

[QUOTE=Debut Album;315871]I'm thinking more on the lines of Battle of the Sexes 1, The Inferno 1, And The Gauntlet 1,[/QUOTE] As long as they don't go back to Inferno 3 intros.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;315873]As long as they don't go back to Inferno 3 intros.[/QUOTE] LOL the image of Rachel from Austin running on all fours will never not be funny to me.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;315866]Here's how I see it. I don't mind people coming back challenge after challenge. I see why they do it. But the problem I have is when people keep coming back challenge after challenge and bring absolutley NOTHING to the table. All these new veterans..John, Paula, Kenny...[B]What have they done? What entertainment do they bring? What type of strategy do they employ?[/B] NONE. I feel like if you gonna be on every damn challenge you better bring some Entertainment or some gamplay into the mix. Don't come on these shows and do nothing but take up space and that's what I feel like alot of these regulars do...Take up space.[/QUOTE] Well lets see....combined Bananas, Paula, Kenny, and Evan have made 20 finals and won 10 times. I think some strategy probably had to be employed for them to be so successful. And that strategy is usually to align with the people they are closest to (who also usually happen to be some of the best players) in order to stay out of eliminations and make the finals. As far as entertainment value, I guess that's your own personal opinion but I don't know how you don't find the human trainwreck that is Paula entertaining, and I also think JEK are some of the funniest and have had their fair share of entertaining moments.

[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;315929]I don't know how you don't find the human trainwreck that is Paula entertaining[/QUOTE] Less of a trainwreck and more of a self inflicted pony pox.

[QUOTE=Fluttershy;315931]Less of a trainwreck and more of a self inflicted pony pox.[/QUOTE] What?

I'm loving this twitter war between the new kids on Battle of the Seasons and the old veterans it really looks like they're forcing BMP to do an Old School vs New School format for next season. In a way old competitors like Johnny have a point that these new kids are on this challenge without any previous heavy hitters like JEK and CT. But then the new kids have a point Johnny needs to get a life and it's time to insert some new blood into the challenge series. Before social media back on the Duel 1 they were a pretty muck like this cast a bunch of new kids and the only heavy hitters were Derrick, CT, Tina, Anessa, and Beth. So old players like Mike The Miz, Mark, Rachel, and Veronica were probably like "who the hell are these kids trying to run a challenge?" just like the vets are acting now.

[QUOTE=GiggidyGoo90;315939]I'm loving this twitter war between the new kids on Battle of the Seasons and the old veterans it really looks like they're forcing BMP to do an Old School vs New School format for next season. In a way old competitors like Johnny have a point that these new kids are on this challenge without any previous heavy hitters like JEK and CT. But then the new kids have a point Johnny needs to get a life and it's time to insert some new blood into the challenge series. Before social media back on the Duel 1 they were a pretty muck like this cast a bunch of new kids and the only heavy hitters were Derrick, CT, Tina, Anessa, and Beth. [B]So old players like Mike The Miz, Mark, Rachel, and Veronica were probably like "who the hell are these kids trying to run a challenge?" just like the vets are acting now.[/B][/QUOTE] I doubt that lol And the war is mainly only Johnny vs the young ponies. I think it's unfair to lump in the other challenge vets like Jenn, Paula, Evan, etc... with his comments because they aren't really bugging about it like his is. They probably haven't thought twice about it.

[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;315929][B]Well lets see....combined Bananas, Paula, Kenny, and Evan have made 20 finals and won 10 times. I think some strategy probably had to be employed for them to be so successful.[/B] And that strategy is usually to align with the people they are closest to (who also usually happen to be some of the best players) in order to stay out of eliminations and make the finals. As far as entertainment value, I guess that's your own personal opinion but I don't know how you don't find the human trainwreck that is Paula entertaining, and I also think JEK are some of the funniest and have had their fair share of entertaining moments.[/QUOTE] You know why they won so many times? Because the people on these shows practically roll over and die for them. Nobody really challenges them even when it's pretty obvious it could benefit them. These people don't play the game for themselves to.And THAT'S why they've have won so many times...It's easy to win when everyone just hands it to you all the time. NO strategy there at all. Lets see how they fare with a strong cast that they can't control, Whom aren't their friends and will play this game for themselvs and won't put up with any of their BS. And if they come out on top I will give them credit.

[QUOTE=r3iKo;315868]Really? You guys would rather go back to Duel 2 intros?[/QUOTE] Duel 2 was so cringe. My favorite titles were BOT Sexes I, great cast all having fun on a beach. I smile when I watch it.

I know this has been probably discussed to death but has MTV banned Kenny and Evan from the challenges because of the Tonya situation? I assumed they did or else they would have gotten one of those two for the Fresh Meat team instead of Eric on the new challenge.

[QUOTE=David079;315949]I know this has been probably discussed to death but has MTV banned Kenny and Evan from the challenges because of the Tonya situation? I assumed they did or else they would have gotten one of those two for the Fresh Meat team instead of Eric on the new challenge.[/QUOTE] I dont think they went to trial yet, could be wrong though. But I'm assuming they are temporarily banned. It is hard to believe they would cast Eric and Brandon over Kenny/Evan, even having Camilla there is odd since shes not FM. That team should be called no name. Wonder why they didnt get Laurel for FM team, find it very hard to believe she would say no.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;315944]You know why they won so many times? Because the people on these shows practically roll over and die for them. Nobody really challenges them even when it's pretty obvious it could benefit them. These people don't play the game for themselves to.And THAT'S why they've have won so many times...I[B]t's easy to win when everyone just hands it to you all the time. NO strategy there at all.[/B] [B]Lets see how they fare with a strong cast that they can't control, Whom aren't their friends and will play this game for themselvs and won't put up with any of their BS.[/B] And if they come out on top I will give them credit.[/QUOTE] You can't just say that how they completely dominate every time they're on takes no skill or strategy. It's not like everyones always on their side. On the island almost everyone was against kenny and johnny and ev's alliance almost got bananas out. The champions team on the ruins had a stacked cast with people that aren't allies of JEK (Wes, Ev, Syrus, Veronica), but they had a strategy to send in 4 people of their alliance into deliberation to make sure they wouldn't have to go in, not to mention how they completely dominated strategically on rivals. Also they have all had success without having each other on the show. Evan won the duel 2, Kenny dominated on Fresh meat 2 when he had literally 2 friends on the show, and Bananas just won exes with his alliance of Mark, CT, and Dunbar. Like them or not, you have to admit they are the best strategic players.

[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;315967]You can't just say that how they completely dominate every time they're on takes no skill or strategy. It's not like everyones always on their side. On the island almost everyone was against kenny and johnny and ev's alliance almost got bananas out. The champions team on the ruins had a stacked cast with people that aren't allies of JEK (Wes, Ev, Syrus, Veronica), but they had a strategy to send in 4 people of their alliance into deliberation to make sure they wouldn't have to go in, not to mention how they completely dominated strategically on rivals. Also they have all had success without having each other on the show. Evan won the duel 2, Kenny dominated on Fresh meat 2 when he had literally 2 friends on the show, and Bananas just won exes with his alliance of Mark, CT, and Dunbar. Like them or not, you have to admit they are the best strategic players.[/QUOTE] Did Kenny dominate or was Laurel just that much better than the rest of the girls other than Evelyn on Fresh Meat II? Kenny was awful during Rivals. Wes saved him until the final. Evan was impressive in the Duel II--he's by far the best competitor of the 3--at least until Rivals. Bananas is solid in both areas but I wouldn't consider him elite. Also, they aren't the best strategic players--Susie is. Even Evan admitted this is why Johnny hated her during The Ruins. Susie had the game mastered since her first challenge and she was the reason they were able to keep Evan, Derrick & Kenny out of the Ruins. And she volunteered herself every time but one because she wasn't afraid of going to the Ruins if they lost unlike Johnny, Evan & Kenny.

[QUOTE=Blue123;315965]I dont think they went to trial yet, could be wrong though. But I'm assuming they are temporarily banned. It is hard to believe they would cast Eric and Brandon over Kenny/Evan, even having Camilla there is odd since shes not FM. That team should be called no name. Wonder why they didnt get Laurel for FM team, find it very hard to believe she would say no.[/QUOTE] This is purely speculation, but I'm guessing they wanted this 1 to be JEK free. As for why laurel wasn't on the team, maybe they thought that putting her on would make them too stacked (I'm guessing thats why they didn't put leroy and alton together on the vegas team). Also, I think its possible that the next challenge they want to do a ruins 2 and they don't want the challengers team to suck like last time, so they can at least have CT, Leroy, Ty, Laurel, and Emily without wins going into next season.

[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;315967]You can't just say that how they completely dominate every time they're on takes no skill or strategy. It's not like everyones always on their side. On the island almost everyone was against kenny and johnny and ev's alliance almost got bananas out. The champions team on the ruins had a stacked cast with people that aren't allies of JEK (Wes, Ev, Syrus, Veronica), but they had a strategy to send in 4 people of their alliance into deliberation to make sure they wouldn't have to go in, not to mention how they completely dominated strategically on rivals. Also they have all had success without having each other on the show. Evan won the duel 2, Kenny dominated on Fresh meat 2 when he had literally 2 friends on the show, and Bananas just won exes with his alliance of Mark, CT, and Dunbar. Like them or not, you have to admit they are the best strategic players.[/QUOTE] Getting to go last on every single mission isn't strategy, it's a flawed gameplay design.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;315871]I'm thinking more on the lines of Battle of the Sexes 1, The Inferno 1, And The Gauntlet 1,[/QUOTE] Do you realize how long it took them to rehearse those intros. The Battle of the Sexes intro was like 2 minutes long because it like 286 cast members. The Gauntlet and The Inferno intros had themes to them which probably took a lot of time away from filming the show. Intros like The Duel 2, The Ruins, The Inferno 3, and Cutthroat will probably not be too popular anymore. They're probably going to stick with intros like Battle of the Exes, Fresh Meat II, The Island, and The Duel, where the cast member stood in front of a green screen and it said they're name at the bottom. Its easy and doesn't take much time to do.

[QUOTE=kvm1977;315969]Did Kenny dominate or was Laurel just that much better than the rest of the girls other than Evelyn on Fresh Meat II? Kenny was awful during Rivals. Wes saved him until the final. Evan was impressive in the Duel II--he's by far the best competitor of the 3--at least until Rivals. Bananas is solid in both areas but I wouldn't consider him elite. Also, they aren't the best strategic players--[B]Susie is[/B]. Even Evan admitted this is why Johnny hated her during Rivals. Susie had the game mastered since her first challenge and she was the reason they were able to keep Evan, Derrick & Kenny out of the Ruins. And she volunteered herself every time but one because she wasn't afraid of going to the Ruins if they lost unlike Johnny, Evan & Kenny.[/QUOTE] I don't agree with that. I didn't see Susies first challenge because it was in the 1800s, but gauntlet 2 wasn't really a strategic game so she didn't have to do much there, I3 she got people to throw missions so she could win the life shield which I guess is strategy. And on the ruins she played a good game but if JEK had turned on her she would have been screwed. I think she is good at manipulating people, but I don't think she ever runs the game like JEK.

[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;315970]This is purely speculation, but I'm guessing they wanted this 1 to be JEK free. As for why laurel wasn't on the team, maybe they thought that putting her on would make them too stacked (I'm guessing thats why they didn't put leroy and alton together on the vegas team). Also, I think its possible that the next challenge they want to do a ruins 2 and they don't want the challengers team to suck like last time, so they can at least have CT, Leroy, Ty, Laurel, and Emily without wins going into next season.[/QUOTE] I think we can get a great Challengers team especially if SD doesn't win this year CT, Ty, Leroy, maybe Zach, Danny, the St. Thomas guys Emily, Laurel (those 2 alone are terrifying for a Champions team), Aneesa (good H2H), Ashlee (NOLA2 athletic), maybe Sarah, maybe Jenn comes back, the St. Thomas girls, hopefully Kimberly (Hollywood) Definitely would be competitive

[QUOTE=kvm1977;315969]Did Kenny dominate or was Laurel just that much better than the rest of the girls other than Evelyn on Fresh Meat II? Kenny was awful during Rivals. Wes saved him until the final. Evan was impressive in the Duel II--he's by far the best competitor of the 3--at least until Rivals. Bananas is solid in both areas but I wouldn't consider him elite. Also, they aren't the best strategic players--Susie is. Even Evan admitted this is why Johnny hated her during [B]Rivals[/B]. Susie had the game mastered since her first challenge and she was the reason they were able to keep Evan, Derrick & Kenny out of the Ruins. And she volunteered herself every time but one because she wasn't afraid of going to the Ruins if they lost unlike Johnny, Evan & Kenny.[/QUOTE] You mean The Ruins.

[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;315975]I don't agree with that. I didn't see Susies first challenge because it was in the 1800s, but gauntlet 2 wasn't really a strategic game so she didn't have to do much there, I3 she got people to throw missions so she could win the life shield which I guess is strategy. And on the ruins she played a good game but if JEK had turned on her she would have been screwed. I think she is good at manipulating people, but I don't think she ever runs the game like JEK.[/QUOTE] The Gauntlet II Susie played a perfect strategic game The Inferno III she played a perfect strategic game (when you get others to agree to throw you the LS that's brilliant) The Ruins she played a perfect strategic game She ran the Ruins with Evan, Kenny & Johanna....Derrick was next. Johnny (notice who went into the Ruins) was 6th on that teams priority list. He was not running that show at all. Notice Kenny, Derrick & Evan sided with Susie at the end--not Johnny. Why is that? They knew Susie could beat KellyAnne and if she did she'd throw the final mission out of spite. Who won the most money during the Ruins? Susie reaches every final. Johnny can't say that, Kenny can't say that nor can Evan. Susie has the game mastered whether you like her or not is irrelevant. Just like those that don't like JEK don't give them enough credit.

[QUOTE=Debut Album;315944]You know why they won so many times? Because the people on these shows practically roll over and die for them. Nobody really challenges them even when it's pretty obvious it could benefit them. These people don't play the game for themselves to.And THAT'S why they've have won so many times...It's easy to win when everyone just hands it to you all the time. NO strategy there at all. Lets see how they fare with a strong cast that they can't control, Whom aren't their friends and will play this game for themselvs and won't put up with any of their BS. [B]And if they come out on top I will give them credit.[/B][/QUOTE] You mean like how Evan did on The Duel 2? Pretty much the most stacked a guys cast has ever been: Brad, Mark, Landon, CT, MJ, Eric, etc. Or Like how Kenny did on Fresh Meat II? Or like how Johnny did on Battle of the Exes? Yeah they haven't done anything! They suck!

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;315977]You mean The Ruins.[/QUOTE] My bad--I'll edit it

[QUOTE=ChallengeGod;315975]I don't agree with that. I didn't see Susies first challenge because it was in the 1800s, but gauntlet 2 wasn't really a strategic game so she didn't have to do much there, I3 she got people to throw missions so she could win the life shield which I guess is strategy. [B]And on the ruins she played a good game but if JEK had turned on her she would have been screwed.[/B] I think she is good at manipulating people, but I don't think she ever runs the game like JEK.[/QUOTE] See that is what your not understanding. You can say what you want about Susie, but the reason why JEK would never turn on Susie is because she manipulated the game and JEK so that that status quo was always in her favor. When you can threaten Johnny, Kenny, and Evan with the final challenge by not giving her who she wanted in The Ruins, then your playing a perfect strategical game. When she volunteered to go into The Ruins deliberation 4 times and sit on the 5th because she had it planned the entire time that that is the only way the team would think it is fair enough to put Veronica in instead of her, then your playing a perfect strategical game.

[QUOTE=El Scorcho;315982]See that is what your not understanding. You can say what you want about Susie, but the reason why JEK would never turn on Susie is because she manipulated the game and JEK so that that status quo was always in her favor. When you can threaten Johnny, Kenny, and Evan with the final challenge by not giving her who she wanted in The Ruins, then your playing a perfect strategical game. When she volunteered to go into The Ruins deliberation 4 times and sit on the 5th because she had it planned the entire time that that is the only way the team would think it is fair enough to put Veronica in instead of her, then your playing a perfect strategical game.[/QUOTE] Correct--everything Susie does is strategic. She has a plan and she executes it That's why Evan & Kenny respect her and why Johnny hates her. Johnny doesn't want anyone else playing the game that is "better at the game than he is"--Evan's words.