The Challenge: Generic Thread

[QUOTE=jhl182;298344]Physically stronger?! The only challenge where he did really well was Fresh Meat 2 and Laurel had a lot to do with it. The Fresh Meat challenges have more to do with the girls abilities than the guys, even ask the castmembers. They even said it during an episode of Fresh Meat 1. I'm not even a fan of Johnny but his muscle mass and arms are bigger than Kenny. Kenny just has always played a great social game. The only time he's proven himself as an individual competitor was in 1 mission on the Inferno 3 ONLY because he was voted into the Inferno and needed to save himself. The good guys team chose him because he was the weakest ****** player and it would be an easy win. The ****** team also said on the show that he was the weakest on the team.[/QUOTE] He was talking about Alton and not Kenny. I do think that Alton is pretty overrated. He is a very good climber but outside of that he hasn't been impressive whereas Johnny has shown to do well in all aspects of the game.

Also the question was not whether or not CT would BEAT those guys at Back Up Off Me. I think he'd be able to take all of them eventually. CT's the best athlete on the shows and has that animal killer instinct that no one else has. None of them would be able to straight BEAT him in that game. The question was whether or not he'd be able to "Johnny Backpack" them, which he could not as he shouldn't have been able to Johnny Backpack Johnny. Derrick talked about this in his podcast today. One human, even if he outweighs the other being by 20/25 pounds should in no way be able to just stand up and walk another human, who is fighting against them, like that. Johnny got Backpack'd because he went with CT's initial move instead of resisting and once Johnny's heaviest area was up and out of the competition, added to the fact that CT is like 4/5 inches bigger than Johnny so he couldn't plant his feet, it was over. Had Johnny just anchored himself to the ground to begin with CT still would've beaten him over time, it just wouldn't have been like that. Kenny and Mark are both even heavier than Johnny and are closer to Tyler's weight who, though he would've eventually lost, was able to withstand CT for forty minutes.

[QUOTE=JL81790;298348]Also the question was not whether or not CT would BEAT those guys at Back Up Off Me. I think he'd be able to take all of them eventually. CT's the best athlete on the shows and has that animal killer instinct that no one else has. None of them would be able to straight BEAT him in that game. The question was whether or not he'd be able to "Johnny Backpack" them, which he could not as he shouldn't have been able to Johnny Backpack Johnny. Derrick talked about this in his podcast today. One human, even if he outweighs the other being by 20/25 pounds should in no way be able to just stand up and walk another human, who is fighting against them, like that. Johnny got Backpack'd because he went with CT's initial move instead of resisting and once Johnny's heaviest area was up and out of the competition, added to the fact that CT is like 4/5 inches bigger than Johnny so he couldn't plant his feet, it was over. Had Johnny just anchored himself to the ground to begin with CT still would've beaten him over time, it just wouldn't have been like that. Kenny and Mark are both even heavier than Johnny and are closer to Tyler's weight [b]who, though he would've eventually lost,[/b] was able to withstand CT for forty minutes.[/QUOTE] We don't know if Tyler would have eventually lost to CT. Both of them were gassed and I don't think they could drag the other across the floor at that point in time even without the other person fighting back.

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;298323]He's around the same weight as Johnny and is physically stronger. He definitely wouldn't get beat as badly as Johnny.[/QUOTE] Are you serious? Pretty sure CT & Kenny don't make Johnny look this smallish when they are standing next to him. [url=http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12949][img]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/33984f4d95f61ed8f.jpg[/img][/url]

[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;298349]We don't know if Tyler would have eventually lost to CT. Both of them were gassed and I don't think they could drag the other across the floor at that point in time even without the other person fighting back.[/QUOTE] Wasn't really my point...it was more of a measuring stick to people of similar weight like Kenny and Mark. I really only said that to give CT his due if anyone is going to come back and say that I'm claiming that these guys would beat CT which I'm not...I just don't think he'd be able to embarrass them the way he embarrassed Johnny, nor could he have done that to Johnny had Johnny not just played it completely wrong.

[QUOTE=townie;298350]Are you serious? Pretty sure CT & Kenny don't make Johnny look this smallish when they are standing next to him. [/QUOTE]CT made Johnny look pretty small in their Gulag against each other. [URL="http://vevmo.com/vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=12950"][IMG]http://vevmo.com/imagehosting/31754f4d9a0ab06f5.jpg[/IMG][/URL] Johnny doesn't make Alton look small at all in this picture. Johnny may be a few inches taller but I highly doubt he out weighs him by much.

lol @ people exaggerating Johnny's size. He's not even bigger than Ty. And since was 170lbs considered a toothpick (to who ever that said Alton is a toothpick)?

Alton is a match up nightmare for a bunch of dudes on these Challenges...long ripped arms ... faster, more athletic, and more agile than just about anybody on the Challenges. You better get him in something that gives the heavier player an advantage....because that's about the only thing that could beat Alton. Alton would own Johnny if they went head to head. Heck, Derrick was even owning Johnny the whole time in the ring wrestle face off on the Island even before Johnny took his hand off of the ring.

[QUOTE=JL81790;298348]Also the question was not whether or not CT would BEAT those guys at Back Up Off Me. I think he'd be able to take all of them eventually. CT's the best athlete on the shows and has that animal killer instinct that no one else has. None of them would be able to straight BEAT him in that game. The question was whether or not he'd be able to "Johnny Backpack" them, which he could not as he shouldn't have been able to Johnny Backpack Johnny. Derrick talked about this in his podcast today. One human, even if he outweighs the other being by 20/25 pounds should in no way be able to just stand up and walk another human, who is fighting against them, like that. Johnny got Backpack'd because he went with CT's initial move instead of resisting and once Johnny's heaviest area was up and out of the competition, added to the fact that CT is like 4/5 inches bigger than Johnny so he couldn't plant his feet, it was over. Had Johnny just anchored himself to the ground to begin with CT still would've beaten him over time, it just wouldn't have been like that. Kenny and Mark are both even heavier than Johnny and are closer to Tyler's weight who, though he would've eventually lost, was able to withstand CT for forty minutes.[/QUOTE] For whatever reason this was the first post I was brought to and read, completely wrong, Derrick is wrong as well. It was not a fluke the way Johnny lost that gulag, maybe being standing and crossing was but he would have been pulled over quick regardless. You ever see the Gauntlet 2, Timmy beat Derrick in a reverse tug of war in a matter of seconds, no fluke there, he planted himself low in the sand and got dragged back regardless. Johnny isn't a big guy, he bulked up to what ever weight he is at, he is naturally small unlike CT who is naturally a large guy. He is more of an athlete as well.

[QUOTE=JL81790;298351]Wasn't really my point...it was more of a measuring stick to people of similar weight like Kenny and Mark. I really only said that to give CT his due if anyone is going to come back and say that I'm claiming that these guys would beat CT which I'm not...I just don't think he'd be able to embarrass them the way he embarrassed Johnny, nor could he have done that to Johnny had Johnny not just played it completely wrong.[/QUOTE] Tyler outweighs Kenny by a good 10-15 pounds, and I guarantee you that Kenny does not come close to Tyler in the physical strength department. CT has said that besides himself, Tyler is the only other castmember that he knows of that religiously does squats, cleans, and deadlifts with heavy poundages. Tyler's physical strength coupled with his bodyweight is what allowed him to last as long as he did before he eventually lost...yes...he DID LOSE to CT, you can ask him yourself. CT tried to stand up with Tyler just like he did with Johnny but unlike Johnny, when Tyler was flailing around like a turtle on his back, he was actually able to generate enough momentum to tip CT over on his side before he could get to his feet with him. Trying to move a 210+ pound guy from a dead standstill when you're both laying on your side is a pretty difficult task and that's why it took almost 40 minutes for him to drag Tyler to the barrel. Tyler, at no time, had the advantage in that Gulag where he had CT going in the direction of his barrel.

Johnny isn't a top player a top 5 player Id be generous to say he is a top 10 player so Im not going to compare him to people who are a lot better. CT, [strike]Abraham[/strike] Abram and Kenny in their prime beats Johnny all day.

[QUOTE=Ch@llengeFan;298367]For whatever reason this was the first post I was brought to and read, completely wrong, Derrick is wrong as well. It was not a fluke the way Johnny lost that gulag, maybe being standing and crossing was but he would have been pulled over quick regardless. You ever see the Gauntlet 2, Timmy beat Derrick in a reverse tug of war in a matter of seconds, no fluke there, he planted himself low in the sand and got dragged back regardless. Johnny isn't a big guy, he bulked up to what ever weight he is at, he is naturally small unlike CT who is naturally a large guy. He is more of an athlete as well.[/QUOTE] Actually it's not wrong if you know anything about physics. Go find a heavy object that's within twenty pounds of your weight and tie a footlong rope to it and pull it, then tie a ten foot long rope to it and try to pull it...you'll get a different result each time as to how much energy it takes to move it...there's some kind of equation about distance and force that I don't remember off the top of my head. Timmy had a long rope in between himself and Derrick to pull with whereas Johnny was strapped directly to CT's body. Johnny got torched so badly because of the way he played it. I think that Johnny would've lost to CT in that game regardless, but it's a faulty comparison to say that it's like reverse tug of war and I'd also bet if you strapped them together today Johnny wouldn't get carried like that. And townie I wasn't taking anything away from CT. I said in a previous post Tyler would've lost and I got the obligatory "we don't know that for sure" response so I tried to be a little more fair to Tyler in my follow up.

[QUOTE=JL81790;298377]Actually it's not wrong if you know anything about physics. Go find a heavy object that's within twenty pounds of your weight and tie a footlong rope to it and pull it, then tie a ten foot long rope to it and try to pull it...you'll get a different result each time as to how much energy it takes to move it...[B]there's some kind of equation about distance and force that I don't remember off the top of my head[/B]. Timmy had a long rope in between himself and Derrick to pull with whereas Johnny was strapped directly to CT's body. Johnny got torched so badly because of the way he played it. I think that Johnny would've lost to CT in that game regardless, but it's a faulty comparison to say that it's like reverse tug of war and I'd also bet if you strapped them together today Johnny wouldn't get carried like that. [/QUOTE] Well it depends what you're trying to solve for. If you're trying to solve for the amount of work necessary, it's force (which = mass x acceleration) x distance. If you're trying to solve for power (which = the rate at which energy is used), it's either work / time or, substituting for work, (force x distance) / time. Simple physics, really. Can't believe I just remembered that from my junior year of high school...

[QUOTE=molds13;298378]Well it depends what you're trying to solve for. If you're trying to solve for the amount of work necessary, it's force (which = mass x acceleration) x distance. If you're trying to solve for power (which = the rate at which energy is used), it's either work / time or, substituting for work, (force x distance) / time. Simple physics, really. Can't believe I just remembered that from my junior year of high school...[/QUOTE] Right it was W = F * D. Which would mean that F = W/D, so the shorter the distance, the more force necessary. I thought it was W=FD but I didn't want to throw that out there as I wasn't positive. I'm an English/Philosophy major and haven't touched physics since my junior year of high school either which is about six years now and my memory definitely isn't as good as yours. This debate is getting really in depth on something that, to me, seems fairly obvious. If you watch Tyler, before the whistle even blows he sags down against CT and even when CT gets him up on his back initially, Tyler is able to sink his hips to the side and anchor himself. Johnny leans into CT's initial move and puts his heavy upper body on probably one of the strongest parts of CT's: his back. Johnny was probably almost weightless to CT at that moment, which lets him get his feet on the ground to stand up. Then, he hunches over to use his height to keep Johnny's feet off the ground and since Johnny's lower body isn't as strong, he can't resist. All of that happened because of the first move.

Jonny Mosely hosted the aftershow for "exes"! Can't wait to see it! Feel like the show is going for more an old school route with the cast, editing, and now the new temp host.

[QUOTE=JL81790;298377]Actually it's not wrong if you know anything about physics. Go find a heavy object that's within twenty pounds of your weight and tie a footlong rope to it and pull it, then tie a ten foot long rope to it and try to pull it...you'll get a different result each time as to how much energy it takes to move it...there's some kind of equation about distance and force that I don't remember off the top of my head. Timmy had a long rope in between himself and Derrick to pull with whereas Johnny was strapped directly to CT's body. Johnny got torched so badly because of the way he played it. I think that Johnny would've lost to CT in that game regardless, but it's a faulty comparison to say that it's like reverse tug of war and I'd also bet if you strapped them together today Johnny wouldn't get carried like that. And townie I wasn't taking anything away from CT. I said in a previous post Tyler would've lost and I got the obligatory "we don't know that for sure" response so I tried to be a little more fair to Tyler in my follow up.[/QUOTE] "If you know anything about physics" well… your logic is flawed. While a longer rope (assuming same density, thickness, Young's modulus, shear modulus, etc.) would require a larger force to move a heavy object than a shorter but otherwise compositionally identical rope it would be due to the longer rope’s greater mass along with the other size (surface area or volume) affected characteristics (ex. Drag) and energy loss through stretching, individual fiber friction, sound, heat, etc. Drag would be approximately negligible in this application. The length of the rope only matters in regards to the rope’s composition and sub-sequent required force for displacement (since drag is considered negligible)... the rope’s length is simply a component. In regards to this physics situation and the classical W= F*d equation, d is the distance from which the object moves. It is not the distance between the two interacting bodies (not human but physical). Thus it does not matter if two objects are close or far from each other when interacting if you’re assuming negligible dissipation of energy. In case anyone is interested: Also, in an ideal situation (this is pretty much what is only taught in high school physics). A linear applied force would be assumed…. However this would most likely be an unacceptable assumption in any physics based course and in reality. A simple Fourier series would probably suffice if the force required for displacement was actually experimentally measured and recorded. The Fourier would be to find an approximate polynomial fit. An example of how this would be a non stead state force would be leverage between the two competitors due to their angling of their bodies for help from gravity. Friction from the ground would also be variable since the surfaces in the elimination rounds were not uniform (sand and gravel if I remember correctly).

Not sure where I could put this, but MTV2's showing a BOTEX marathon.

So Ayiiia and Joey from RW Cancun were apparently asked to do Exes but he declined to be with his new baby. Hope to see more of Ayiiia on these things.

Really? Ayiiia and Joey? That would have been interesting! Although they're good competitors, I can't figure out why they keep inviting Ty back and why Emily is the only girl from DC to be asked back. I wonder if they asked CJ and Jonna to be partnered together for that quick 2 episode flirting session they had. The Hollywood, Brooklyn, Cancun, DC, & B2NO have had no representation really. I think only 2 or 3 from each cast has actually been on a show since their original season and even then it's only been 1 or 2 challenges.

While Joey may have been asked and that may have been his reason for not doing it, I am doubtful he would ever do one since he never really interacts with anybody on twitter other than Bronne and he has said several times that he hated the Real World.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;298865]Really? Ayiiia and Joey? That would have been interesting! Although they're good competitors, I can't figure out why they keep inviting Ty back and why Emily is the only girl from DC to be asked back. I wonder if they asked CJ and Jonna to be partnered together for that quick 2 episode flirting session they had. The Hollywood, Brooklyn, Cancun, DC, & B2NO have had no representation really. I think only 2 or 3 from each cast has actually been on a show since their original season and even then it's only been 1 or 2 challenges.[/QUOTE] I agree that they've been underrepresented but not necessarily by that much. I mean Sarah is from Brooklyn and she's been on 5 challenges, plus Chet and Katelynn have each done 2, and JD did one. All but two people from Cancun have been on a challenge. I think it seems like way less though because most of them didn't last very long. And yeah I'd personally prefer Ashley and Mike from the DC season. I don't really understand the Emily love. She never did much for me. I'd love to see some of the New Orleans cast on a challenge.

[QUOTE=jhl182;298399]Jonny Mosely hosted the aftershow for "exes"! Can't wait to see it! Feel like the show is going for more an old school route with the cast, editing, and now the new temp host.[/QUOTE] Ahhh, the days of Jonny Moseley. He was a cool host. I've never been a big fan of TJ honestly.

[QUOTE=RubenJay05;298865]Really? Ayiiia and Joey? That would have been interesting! Although they're good competitors, I can't figure out why they keep inviting Ty back and why Emily is the only girl from DC to be asked back. I wonder if they asked CJ and Jonna to be partnered together for that quick 2 episode flirting session they had. The Hollywood, Brooklyn, Cancun, DC, & B2NO have had no representation really. I think only 2 or 3 from each cast has actually been on a show since their original season and even then it's only been 1 or 2 challenges.[/QUOTE] I still wanna see Joey Kovar from the Hollywood season on 1 of these challenges, I'm also surprised that "he who shall not be named" kid from that season never did a challenge.

I would have loved to see Ashley (DC) on a challenge. I wonder why they haven't had anyone from NOLA on a challenge yet either, if I remember correctly the ratings started going up in that season.

[QUOTE=erodwhtboy;298943]I still wanna see Joey Kovar from the Hollywood season on 1 of these challenges, I'm also surprised that "he who shall not be named" kid from that season never did a challenge.[/QUOTE] Joey for a while refused to do them bc of drinking issues, but started showing interest around rivals, which was a theme he didn't fit. He never really had a rival on his season to my knowledge. HE might have been able to do exes with Brianna, but I think she was pregnant during filming. Maybe next time? The Reason, i think, there have been noone from B2NO is because most of the cast members said they didn't want to do one. Mckenzie, Sahar, Preston, and that weird guy all said they didn't want to do one. Knight has been iffy but leans more towards no. Jemmeye wants to do one, but I think she someone on here said she has had legal issues. Nick, IDK about. Ashley really wants to do one, but she wasn't really good tv and that is what BMP cares about.

[QUOTE=mph922;298883]I agree that they've been underrepresented but not necessarily by that much. I mean Sarah is from Brooklyn and she's been on 5 challenges, plus Chet and Katelynn have each done 2, and JD did one. All but two people from Cancun have been on a challenge. I think it seems like way less though because most of them didn't last very long. [B]And yeah I'd personally prefer Ashley and Mike from the DC season. I don't really understand the Emily love. She never did much for me. I'd love to see some of the New Orleans cast on a challenge.[/B][/QUOTE] Yeah, it's always nice to see new people doing the challenges to see how they perform. I would like to see other cast members like Ashley and Mike, but I think BMP gives the fans the people that they want to see and people that just did one challenge and didn't come back. It's because they really didn't show anything that will give them the pass to come back. With Emily, it's different; people like to see her, and so do I because (for me) she is one of the top female competitors, and it's always nice to see how she will perform in the challenges or to see a matchup between her and other top competitors. However, with new seasons of the Real World I think that there are few chances that people from older seasons come back or even appears.

[QUOTE=Coralfan;298954]Joey for a while refused to do them bc of drinking issues, but started showing interest around rivals, which was a theme he didn't fit. He never really had a rival on his season to my knowledge. HE might have been able to do exes with Brianna, but I think she was pregnant during filming. Maybe next time?[/quote] Hopefully he'll be on next season whether its a Duel 3 or whatever they came up with next.

[QUOTE=erodwhtboy;298943]I still wanna see Joey Kovar from the Hollywood season on 1 of these challenges,[B] I'm also surprised that "he who shall not be named" kid from that season never did a challenge[/B].[/QUOTE] oh God,I wish. By far my favorite Real Worlder next to Coral, Tek and Landon. But I think he said he never ever wants to be associated with BMP again.

Tosh just name dropped Battle of the Exes. Wasn't paying much attention, but I think it was just one of those "list random show" things.

Here's what I think(and Hope) is next for the challenges. -They start Focusing on castmembers from the newer seasons..I know I've said this before and they seem to be easing them into the challenges but I feel that BMP isn't doing it to the extent that they could. The Format.... If it's a returning format I would like to see.. Cutthroat. The Ruins(But ONLY if the teams are equal in strenth) Duel 3(But I would like a focus on new castmembers as we're never going to get all the best competitors on these shows on one challenge.) Battle of the Seasons 2(I know this isn't all that likely but this is one of my favorite formats and I've always wanted to see a second one).