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[QUOTE=FishHooks;293151]I was joking (I thought it was obvious though since Iceland did have an eruption that altered air travel for months I'll take some of the blame)[/QUOTE]
I would LOVE to see TJ try and pronounce "Eyjafjallajökull."
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[QUOTE=chupa_chups;293168]How the hell did Johnny convince CT to work with him?? Why would CT work with that *********?
I can't wait to see how that happened.[/QUOTE]
It's clearly in both of their teams interests to work together. They seem to be two of the strongest, if not the strongest two teams. Look, if Johnny were to send CT into an elimination round, against ANYONE, who is the one who will probably come back? CT. CT also has a GREAT shot of winning a challenge at anytime. Now, if Johnny had just sent him in, who do you think CT will send in? Johnny. Same goes for the other way around. It's obvious these two teams, along with Ty and Emily deserve to be in a final.
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[QUOTE=chupa_chups;293168]How the hell did Johnny convince CT to work with him?? Why would CT work with that *********?
I can't wait to see how that happened.[/QUOTE]
I agree. I feel that their hatred for Wes will play a role in them squashing their beef.
Like another poster said though, it seems like people that hate Johnny usually get along with him once the season is over:
Tyler
Evelyn
Kelly Anne
and now CT
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[QUOTE=chupa_chups;293168]How the hell did Johnny convince CT to work with him?? Why would CT work with that *********?
I can't wait to see how that happened.[/QUOTE]
To be honest, based on my own observations, it doesn't seem like CT really cares to carry on a "BEEF" with these people after the show, nor do many of the other cast members, because he said many times that he doesn't keep in contact with many of them once it wraps. The fans seem to take it more to heart then the individuals.
Johnny and CT creating an alliance on this challenge isn't so taboo to me because when you get on the show, I assume, they do what is in their best interest, whatever/whoever is going to get them further in the game is what they look for. Aside from that, Johnny and CT were playing games together on Xbox, you usually have NO contact with people you HATE and to me much of what Johnny says about CT is merely to keep up his bad guy character (personal opinion only, feel free to disagree).
To sum up my little rant. These people do have lives outside of the show. They get over things, move on, and live every day lives. I encourage everyone to try not to take some of these fights and arguments to heart.
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[QUOTE=FishHooks;293151]I was joking (I thought it was obvious though since Iceland did have an eruption that altered air travel for months I'll take some of the blame)[/QUOTE]
Yeah sorry, I thought you were saying that as there was a volcano in a promo it was Iceland.
I wonder if they flew through Heathrow, I'd like to think I was within a 200 mile radius of CT.
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I'm watching the pregame special now, and the conversation between Wes and Camila seems to indicate that Johnny and Camila do win an early challenge (and send Wes in).
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[QUOTE=molds13;293095]I'm watching the pregame special now, and the conversation between Wes and Camila seems to indicate that Johnny and Camila do win an early challenge (and send Wes in).[/QUOTE]
That's what I was thinking too. Either that or someone in Johnny/Camila's alliance pulled off a win and Wes is trying to weasel his way out by going through Camila to try and change her alliance's choice. But yeah, they more than likely won a challenge early on.
I might be alone on this one, but I really liked how Camila was holding herself during that conversation with Wes. Like when she said "that's not the way you have a conversation with someone." I'm fairly certain I'm one of the very few people who actually enjoys Camila on these shows. She seems like a good performer (Cutthroat) and just got dealt a bad hand on Rivals (being paired up with Theresa/going up against Laurel & Cara Maria).
I also just don't like Wes so whenever he's having an argument with someone I side with the other person.
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[QUOTE=CzarEric;293096]That's what I was thinking too. Either that or someone in Johnny/Camila's alliance pulled off a win and Wes is trying to weasel his way out by going through Camila to try and change her alliance's choice. But yeah, they more than likely won a challenge early on.[/quote]
I don't think Wes would do that. I think he's been around long enough to know that if you want something changed, you go to the head honcho (or honchos, in this challenge).
I have been told that Johnny and Camila worked very well in this challenge in terms of chemistry, so them winning a challenge (or a few) is not beyond normal thought.
[QUOTE=CzarEric;293096]I might be alone on this one, but I really liked how Camila was holding herself during that conversation with Wes. Like when she said "that's not the way you have a conversation with someone." I'm fairly certain I'm one of the very few people who actually enjoys Camila on these shows. She seems like a good performer (Cutthroat) and just got dealt a bad hand on Rivals (being paired up with Theresa/going up against Laurel & Cara Maria).
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Yes, but you also don't have a conversation with someone by constantly interrupting, which is what Camila seemed to be doing. To be fair, we've never really seen Camila be in a position of power, so hopefully being paired with someone like Johnny doesn't go to her head.
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[QUOTE=molds13;293100]I don't think Wes would do that. I think he's been around long enough to know that if you want something changed, you go to the head honcho (or honchos, in this challenge).
I have been told that Johnny and Camila worked very well in this challenge in terms of chemistry, so them winning a challenge (or a few) is not beyond normal thought.[/QUOTE]
So Johnny/Camila are the most influential couple? That's not too surprising. I'd figure it would be them since Johnny's got his political game down to a science now. Camila seems like she'd be good in an "inner circle" type of role...
[QUOTE=molds13;293100]Yes, but you also don't have a conversation with someone by constantly interrupting, which is what Camila seemed to be doing. To be fair, we've never really seen Camila be in a position of power, so hopefully being paired with someone like Johnny doesn't go to her head.[/QUOTE]
...But you bring up a good point. We don't know if it'll go to her head. I could see that happening, but I feel like Johnny would try and ground her to get her stop making the target on their back(s) larger.
I think I missed what you're saying though about her interrupting him. I didn't really pick up on that. Most likely due to what I said earlier, I just tend to side with the other person Wes is arguing with. So maybe my subconscious made me not realize Camila was interrupting him.
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[QUOTE=CzarEric;293134]So Johnny/Camila are the most influential couple? That's not too surprising. I'd figure it would be them since Johnny's got his political game down to a science now. Camila seems like she'd be good in an "inner circle" type of role...
...But you bring up a good point. We don't know if it'll go to her head. I could see that happening, but I feel like Johnny would try and ground her to get her stop making the target on their back(s) larger.
I think I missed what you're saying though about her interrupting him. I didn't really pick up on that. Most likely due to what I said earlier, I just tend to side with the other person Wes is arguing with. So maybe my subconscious made me not realize Camila was interrupting him.[/QUOTE]
Well, they seemed to be the most influential couple [I]at that time[/I], which is why I'm guessing they won that day's challenge. Wes clearly said "If Johnny sends me in", which indicates they won one of the first few missions. My guess would be the one versus Naomi and Leroy, as you can hear Leroy saying "Naomi, get out here" during the conversation.
Johnny's strength is his political game, and based on his buddy-buddy friendship with CT (CT telling Johnny that Wes was "verbally beating" his partner), my guess would be that they would be two teams that never saw an elimination round.
I noticed that when Wes was trying to talk, Camila was interrupting him. Wes said he would band together all the rookies who don't know what they're doing and Camila said "and then what?" before he was done speaking. Wes then says "I'm just chilling here on a nice night" and before he can finish his sentence, Camila says "Yeah, you're just chilling here on a nice night and you're gonna **** me over because of my partner."
I'm not saying either person is in the wrong or right here, but it's ironic Camila wants to talk about the do's and don'ts of a conversation when one of the biggest parts of having a conversation is listening to what the other person has to say without interruption.
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[QUOTE=molds13;293136]Well, they seemed to be the most influential couple [I]at that time[/I], which is why I'm guessing they won that day's challenge. Wes clearly said "If Johnny sends me in", which indicates they won one of the first few missions. My guess would be the one versus Naomi and Leroy, as you can hear Leroy saying "Naomi, get out here" during the conversation.
Johnny's strength is his political game, and based on his buddy-buddy friendship with CT (CT telling Johnny that Wes was "verbally beating" his partner), my guess would be that they would be two teams that never saw an elimination round.
I noticed that when Wes was trying to talk, Camila was interrupting him. Wes said he would band together all the rookies who don't know what they're doing and Camila said "and then what?" before he was done speaking. Wes then says "I'm just chilling here on a nice night" and before he can finish his sentence, Camila says "Yeah, you're just chilling here on a nice night and you're gonna **** me over because of my partner."
I'm not saying either person is in the wrong or right here, but it's ironic Camila wants to talk about the do's and don'ts of a conversation when one of the biggest parts of having a conversation is listening to what the other person has to say without interruption.[/QUOTE]
I'll have to go back and watch it. Oops. I'm at work now, so I'll check it out again later.
And I'd say you're probably right in saying that CT and Johnny didn't see the Dome. If I was on the show, I wouldn't want to go up against CT/Diem. I also think Johnny/Camila played the political game right, so even if they lost the day's challenge they'd be sitting in the right place to ensure they're not going in.
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[QUOTE=molds13;293100]Yes, but you also don't have a conversation with someone by constantly interrupting, which is what Camila seemed to be doing. To be fair, we've never really seen Camila be in a position of power, so hopefully being paired with someone like Johnny doesn't go to her head.[/QUOTE]
Just sleeping with the guy got to her head a year ago. Being paired up with him is gonna be worse.
But I do think it will be funny if people all of a sudden start hating her as the season progresses. I've never liked Camila and always found her to be annoying and kind of stuck up so maybe this pairing will show others what I've seen over the last 2 seasons.
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[QUOTE=mtvtalk;293114]Does anyone know how long after the challenges conclude that they actually air the shows on TV?[/QUOTE]
This challenge is airing on January 25th.
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Hello all! My very first post on Vevmo, though I've been an avid follower for years.
The Johnny/Camila chemistry is interesting to watch. Obviously they made the final so their competitive chemistry works, but it looks like they also may have some physical chemistry as well. It should be interesting to see that all play out.
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So Mark&Robin go to Iceland the final four teams then get sent home right before the final by most likely Ty&Emily. I can't See CT&Diem or Johnny&Camila voting in Mark&Robin so Mark&Robin get last they ask for Ty&Emily whatever team won grants there wish.
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I'm surprised that Johnny had a hand in throwing Wes in especially so early. Clearly Johnny knows what he's doing in this game but, as we've seen multiple times, Wes's strong point is eliminations, not finals. Why toss him in and run the risk of him coming back, winning, and tossing Johnny in(which is why I assume he probably didn't chop at CT, as the odds of CT/Diem winning a challenge are probably pretty high)? I'd want to keep Wes around because he's someone I'd be guaranteed to beat in the final or else string him along in case he wins a challenge or else feed him to CT at the end and pray for a miracle.
It obviously worked out for him regardless, but it seems like an odd move to make at the very beginning.
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[QUOTE=JL81790;293128]I'm surprised that Johnny had a hand in throwing Wes in especially so early. Clearly Johnny knows what he's doing in this game but as we've seen multiple times that Wes's strong point is eliminations, not finals. [B]Why toss him in and run the risk of him coming back, winning, and tossing Johnny in[/B](which is why I assume he probably didn't chop at CT, as the odds of CT/Diem winning a challenge are probably pretty high)? I'd want to keep Wes around because he someone I'd be guaranteed to beat in the final or else string him along in case he wins a challenge or else feed him to CT at the end and pray for a miracle.[/QUOTE]
Johnny must have felt very confident that Wes and Mandi would never win a challenge.
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I am not surprised they worked well together, Johnny and Camilla i mean. They were friends who have hooked up and a lot of people didn't even know about it, and a lot of these partners could have been rivals pairings too at this point, and that is an advantage to be cool with your partner and both are good individually.
I hope the rookies made an effort to try to form a plan and weren't in some alliance with Johnny/CT where they were ranked last in and were used to help the vets get to the end. Even if it failed, just some strategy and not blind following would be nice to see. Even though it didn't work if they did, it at least sets the tone for future challenges.
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[QUOTE=jojorules;293138]I am not surprised they worked well together, Johnny and Camilla i mean. They were friends who have hooked up [B]and a lot of people didn't even know about it[/B], and a lot of these partners could have been rivals pairings too at this point, and that is an advantage to be cool with your partner and both are good individually.
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Everyone knew about it. It just wasn't spoken about because Johnny had a girlfriend at the time.
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[QUOTE=molds13;293141]Everyone knew about it. It just wasn't spoken about because Johnny had a girlfriend at the time.[/QUOTE]
I meant people who watch the show. The non vevmo viewers were probably like why are they paired? i kind of mean too that their was no attached drama between them, he is single now and they can hookup and be partners and I bet they do. If there is attached drama, nothing that made air besides Brad being pissed on cutthroat they were "talking"
The Ty/Emily pairing is going to be real interesting. I hope Ty has a good showing, that would be a nice comeback story on the challenges. CT/Diem I see as being very awkward in anything non mission related, but they stilll will be a great team because they both are great competitors.
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I wonder if Leroy asked Johnny for Wes. I can't see Leroy and Naomi being a threatening team that Johnny would feel needs to be eliminated. Leroy said Johnny is one of the people he got closest to on Rivals so maybe Johnny was doing him a favor since Leroy can match up well with Wes and Mandi might be the easiest girl for Naomi to deal with.
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[QUOTE=JL81790;293145]I wonder if Leroy asked Johnny for Wes. I can't see Leroy and Naomi being a threatening team that Johnny would feel needs to be eliminated. Leroy said Johnny is one of the people he got closest too on Rivals so maybe Johnny was doing him a favor since Leroy can match up well with Wes and Mandi might be the easiest girl for Naomi to deal with.[/QUOTE]
That sounds like a very logical idea.
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[QUOTE=JL81790;293145]I wonder if Leroy asked Johnny for Wes. I can't see Leroy and Naomi being a threatening team that Johnny would feel needs to be eliminated. Leroy said Johnny is one of the people he got closest to on Rivals so maybe Johnny was doing him a favor since Leroy can match up well with Wes and Mandi might be the easiest girl for Naomi to deal with.[/QUOTE]
I could see that happening.
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I'm one of the biggest Johnny apologists on this forum, but I do find it a bit questionable how he's been paired with people he genuinely gets along with on the last two challenges (Rivals/BotE). I understand the circumstance with Casey on this one, but certainly there were better choices for Rivals (Dunbar comes to mind).
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[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;293146]I'm one of the biggest Johnny apologists on this forum, but I do find it a bit questionable how he's been paired with people he genuinely gets along with on the last two challenges (Rivals/BotE). I understand the circumstance with Casey on this one, but certainly there were better choices for Rivals (Dunbar comes to mind).[/QUOTE]
Maybe they felt like they needed to make it up to him after the screw job they handed him on Cutthroat.
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[QUOTE=JL81790;293149]Maybe they felt like they needed to make it up to him after the screw job they handed him on Cutthroat.[/QUOTE]
Screw job on Cutthroat? Tyler would have destroyed him. The only screw job on Cutthroat was how the red team got the first pick every round giving them the strongest team.
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[QUOTE=CzarEric;293148]And I'd say you're probably right in saying that CT and Johnny didn't see the Dome. If I was on the show, I wouldn't want to go up against CT/Diem. I also think Johnny/Camila played the political game right, so even if they lost the day's challenge they'd be sitting in the right place to ensure they're not going in.[/QUOTE]
it is possible that Johnny/Camila or CT/Diem DQ on a mission or did the worst on a challenge. just because we know CT/Diem made it to the finals, I want to see them in the Dome. Also want to see Mark/Robin going against them.
[QUOTE=JL81790;293149]Maybe they felt like they needed to make it up to him after the screw job they handed him on Cutthroat.[/QUOTE]
when CT carried him?
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[QUOTE=JL81790;293128]I'm surprised that Johnny had a hand in throwing Wes in especially so early. Clearly Johnny knows what he's doing in this game but, as we've seen multiple times, Wes's strong point is eliminations, not finals. Why toss him in and run the risk of him coming back, winning, and tossing Johnny in(which is why I assume he probably didn't chop at CT, as the odds of CT/Diem winning a challenge are probably pretty high)?[B] I'd want to keep Wes around because he's someone I'd be guaranteed to beat in the final[/B] or else string him along in case he wins a challenge or else feed him to CT at the end and pray for a miracle.
It obviously worked out for him regardless, but it seems like an odd move to make at the very beginning.[/QUOTE]
To be fair, I think Johnny is threatened by Wes, even if in a minute way. I am neither a fan of Johnny nor Wes, but we have to remember that with Johnny/Tyler vs. Wes/Kenny(in Rivals' final), Wes and Kenny were possibly hours ahead of Johnny and Tyler, so maybe Johnny is threatened by Wes (also can be because of his political game, which is fine, although not as up to par as Johnny's), so he sent him in early against a decent opponent. Seriously doubt Wes and Mandi would win any challenges though, but in a final, they might do decently.
[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;293146]I'm one of the biggest Johnny apologists on this forum, but I do find it a bit questionable how he's been paired with people he genuinely gets along with on the last two challenges (Rivals/BotE). I understand the circumstance with Casey on this one, but certainly there were better choices for Rivals (Dunbar comes to mind).[/QUOTE]
I was just thinking this but I do not think it is such that they pair him with people he gets along with on purpose as much as it is that he seems to get along with everyone. I mean, he has arguments and quarrels here and there, but even the people who once hated him (Evelyn, CT, Tyler) seems to get along with him in a fair manner outside the show. As much as I dislike Johnny, maybe he is just a people's person which would explain his social brilliance in the game, which inevitably makes up for whatever he lacks athletically.
[QUOTE=wth101;293150]it is possible that Johnny/Camila or CT/Diem DQ on a mission or did the worst on a challenge. just because we know CT/Diem made it to the finals, I want to see them in the Dome. Also want to see Mark/Robin going against them.
when CT carried him?[/QUOTE]
I cannot say for surety, but if I were to guess, I'd say that as long as Robin's there, CT and Diem nor Johnny and Camila are gonna come dead last. It's possible of course because anything is possible, but I'd doubt it's probability. haha.
I also like that in the drama promo, CT is giving Ty a piece of his mind. It is about time someone who won't be phased stood up to Ty and I am enjoying seeing him get worked up about it. Can you say "Karma?"
~End of rant~
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[QUOTE=cryssy19;293155]To be fair, I think Johnny is threatened by Wes, even if in a minute way. I am neither a fan of Johnny nor Wes, but we have to remember that with Johnny/Tyler vs. Wes/Kenny(in Rivals' final), Wes and Kenny were possibly hours ahead of Johnny and Tyler, so maybe Johnny is threatened by Wes (also can be because of his political game, which is fine, although not as up to par as Johnny's), so he sent him in early against a decent opponent. Seriously doubt Wes and Mandi would win any challenges though, but in a final, they might do decently.
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I've made it clear that I'm a fan of Kenny's and I don't want to turn this into a Wes v Kenny thing but from what I can tell that lead was a result of Kenny being an inhuman at finals. The last two long distance things Wes has done he's had trouble with (it's debatable how much trouble based on if you want to believe he was trying to lose FM2). I think in a heads up final between Wes and Johnny Johnny would smoke him and if he's worried about a final it's probably because he doesn't know what Camila's endurance is like. There's a bedroom joke to be made there but I don't want to make it.
I also don't think his political game is as good as he pretends it is and the fact that Johnny convinced CT to roll with him pretty much says to me that even if Wes's game was good it doesn't hold a candle to Johnny's.
[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;293153]Screw job on Cutthroat? Tyler would have destroyed him. The only screw job on Cutthroat was how the red team got the first pick every round giving them the strongest team.[/QUOTE]
I think he would've lost to Tyler too...but I meant more along the lines of the fact that people seem to think that CT was on reserve for when Johnny went in so that CT could humiliate him. If that's actually true I would classify that as a screw job.
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I also don't think his political game is as good as he pretends it is and the fact that Johnny convinced CT to roll with him pretty much says to me that even if Wes's game was good it doesn't hold a candle to Johnny's.
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I dont think Johnny has a good political game at all, he has solid alliances but I dont think he can persuade strangers to vote with him like Wes does. And I'm not going to even go into his political game on the island. In this game politics dont really matter, you just need to win and side with strong people, theres no way a strong team will be eliminated because they'll always be going up against the worst of the day.
I think its pretty easy to convince CT to go along with him, CT will work with anyone and on this challenge they both have strong females so why not work together? Its not like CT has always been this solo player by choice. Not to mention the fact that they have been playing video games together everyday -_- . Every guy with a bad team mate is out of luck, the elimination order is no surprise. Hopefully it doesn't get boring after all the outsiders are eliminated like the ruins was. I think Johnny needs CT but I dont think CT needs Johnny.
I wonder where Ty/Emily and CM/Abram stand in all this, CM doesnt seem all that talkative to Johnny or CT and Abram was heavily badmouthed, and when he came back he only followed Wes (of all people) and CT. And Ty was arguing with CT (even though it was only the 1st night) and he was present during the Wes/Camilla thing, maybe he was just Listening.
Also about the whole Wes/Camilla interrupting thing that you guys were talking about, I agree I think Camilla interrupts a lot, in fact most of those people cant talk with out screaming over one another. I always hear the guys yelling "LET ME FINISH!" Paula is one of them too (lol the reunions to the island/cutthroat) and Wes cant talk without saying "stop, wait, no, would you let me finish". Cara Maria is like that too, so is Coral and Jonna/Jasmin lol Jasmin even started crying because of it. Lol omg Robin is too, I remember the "Robin shut up" dailie from the island, I think Johnny was about to have a heart attack because of her, lol too many funny memories of these people's "conversations"
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[QUOTE=Blue123;293201]I dont think Johnny has a good political game at all, he has solid alliances but I dont think he can persuade strangers to vote with him like Wes does. And I'm not going to even go into his political game on the island. In this game politics dont really matter, you just need to win and side with strong people, theres no way a strong team will be eliminated because they'll always be going up against the worst of the day. [/quote]
Having solid alliances is part of the political game. Wes did convince people to vote with him on FM2 but they weren't solid alliances which is why they flipped on him. Also the worst team of the day doesn't mean they are a bad team. Of the 4 female jungles on Rivals 3 involved the 2 teams that finished the Final and probably the only 2 teams that could finish the final because they DQed that day.
[quote]I think its pretty easy to convince CT to go along with him, CT will work with anyone and on this challenge they both have strong females so why not work together? Its not like CT has always been this solo player by choice. Not to mention the fact that they have been playing video games together everyday -_- . Every guy with a bad team mate is out of luck, the elimination order is no surprise. Hopefully it doesn't get boring after all the outsiders are eliminated like the ruins was. I think Johnny needs CT but I dont think CT needs Johnny.[/quote]
If you watch the old challenges CT is solo in all of these individual and partner challenges because he was a huge ******* to everyone. The reason why he has been a solo player is because of the way he acts and you don't want to keep around some one you don't like. I do think CT would need Johnny more than Johnny would need CT because of who their partners are. Camila is more geared toward the small challenges and elimination rounds while Diem is more of a runner suited for the Final. They both need one another though because an elimination round is always a crap shoot which you don't want to risk.
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I wonder where Ty/Emily and CM/Abram stand in all this, CM doesnt seem all that talkative to Johnny or CT and Abram was heavily badmouthed, and when he came back he only followed Wes (of all people) and CT. And Ty was arguing with CT (even though it was only the 1st night) and he was present during the Wes/Camilla thing, maybe he was just Listening.[/QUOTE]
I don't think we have enough information to determine where Ty/Emily and Cara Maria/Abram are in alliances. All we know is they make it far into the challenge but the previews haven't shown much at all. They could be strong teams that win an elimination round or two or they could be at the bottom of a CT-Johnny alliance.
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[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;293209]Having solid alliances is part of the political game. Wes did convince people to vote with him on FM2 but they weren't solid alliances which is why they flipped on him. Also the worst team of the day doesn't mean they are a bad team. Of the 4 female jungles on Rivals 3 involved the 2 teams that finished the Final and probably the only 2 teams that could finish the final because they DQed that day.
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Yeah but by solid alliance I meant Kenny, Evan and sometimes Derrick. They dont really go through the game strategising, they just go in together and people let them do what they want, not to take anything away from them because it works but I wouldnt say they scheme as much as Wes/Ev do with their inside men and all the other stuff they were doing on FM2. Yeah Wes does get the outsiders who dont really know what they're doing but you can only work with what you're given. The outsiders can totally affect the game in the challenges that involve voting, but they're all naive and are followers. Like wtf is this "band wagon" nonsense?
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If you watch the old challenges CT is solo in all of these individual and partner challenges because he was a huge ******* to everyone. The reason why he has been a solo player is because of the way he acts and you don't want to keep around some one you don't like. I do think CT would need Johnny more than Johnny would need CT because of who their partners are. Camila is more geared toward the small challenges and elimination rounds while Diem is more of a runner suited for the Final. They both need one another though because an elimination round is always a crap shoot which you don't want to risk.
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Adam wasnt a muscle man either, nothing compared to Tyler but CT/Adam did very well on most of the challenges, I think they could have won more challenges on rivals if stuff wasnt sketchy (ladder challenge/jumping challenge). only thing I can think of that stands in their way is if CT doesnt have the stamina that people say he has. Damn I wana know who won!!
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I don't find CT teaming up with Johnny that unbelievable. At the end of the day, as much as people hate on JEK, they are some of the best competitors. They play it to win and go all out unlike most who are just there to have fun so that's why you always see the majority of the cast wanting to team up with them.
I mean if you are there, would you rather team up with them or form a group of misfits like Wes always does and hope they are just as competitive and good at the games?
Also, I don't believe CT ever had any beef with Johnny. He wanted him off the Gauntlet team because he was injured and didn't want to lose Evan. Johnny just held a grudge over it.
In this season, Johnny and CT were probably both smart enough to figure out they have two of the more athletic girls on their team so they would win the majority of the challenges and made a truce to aligned instead of sending each other in every time the other wins.
Re: The Challenge: Battle of the Exes - Spoiler Discussion
This may be a huge jump to conclusions but i think this is the final challenge before THE FINAL and i think Mark/Robin lost and either CT or Johnny put Ty/Emily in the Dome. (And all of this is based on these shots).
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Re: The Challenge: Battle of the Exes - Spoiler Discussion
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;293232]This may be a huge jump to conclusions but i think this is the final challenge before THE FINAL and i think Mark/Robin lost and either CT or Johnny put Ty/Emily in the Dome. (And all of this is based on these shots).
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That could be true but it looks kinda like Johnny won and Ty got last doesn't it?
Re: The Challenge: Battle of the Exes - Spoiler Discussion
[QUOTE=Jenni_96;293234]That could be true but it looks kinda like Johnny won and Ty got last doesn't it?[/QUOTE]
It looks to me like they are fighting over those red balls at the bottom of the tarp and then trying to get back to the top with them. Just because Ty is the slowest to the bottom doesn't mean he got last. Besides there is also the female trial where Emily would probably dominate.
Re: The Challenge: Battle of the Exes - Spoiler Discussion
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;293232]This may be a huge jump to conclusions but i think this is the final challenge before THE FINAL and i think Mark/Robin lost and either CT or Johnny put Ty/Emily in the Dome. (And all of this is based on these shots).
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Extremely hard to tell, because it's only the men's heat. We don't know who won the women's heat (and all I have seen from that is a picture of Diem and someone else climbing up the rope). And we also don't know what the rules were. Maybe the last two teams automatically went into elimination.
What I can tell:
- It looks fairly clear that the first and second pictures are from the first men's round.
- In the first picture, there are only two red balls visible.
- It does appear that Ty and someone are fighting for a ball.
- In the third picture of Johnny and CT, they look to be two poles down from the Battle of the Exes sign. In the fourth picture, someone looks to be three poles down from the Battle of the Exes sign. Therefore, we cannot ascertain that the third and fourth pictures are from the same heat and that Mark was last.
This challenge appears extremely similar to one they have done on Big Brother in multiple seasons, which is a version of musical chairs. There are multiple rounds, where one ball is removed each round.
Re: The Challenge: Battle of the Exes - Spoiler Discussion
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;293232]This may be a huge jump to conclusions but i think this is the final challenge before THE FINAL and i think Mark/Robin lost and either CT or Johnny put Ty/Emily in the Dome. (And all of this is based on these shots).
[/QUOTE]I don't think so. Dunbar is seen standing next to CT in this shot (It's more clear in the trailer):
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I think this may be a possibility for the challenge before the Final because only a few teams are seen in it from the trailers so far.
Mark/Robin:
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Ty/Emily:
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Ty/Emily again (and this may be a stretch, but it looks like Johnny or Camila in the upper left):
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Re: The Challenge: Battle of the Exes - Spoiler Discussion
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;293240]I don't think so. Dunbar is seen standing next to CT in this shot (It's more clear in the trailer):[/QUOTE]
I don't think this is it. In the launch special we saw Cara Maria getting tossed around like a rag doll with that jet blast. I'll say it is ONE of the final challenges, but not the final one.
Re: The Challenge: Battle of the Exes - Spoiler Discussion
[QUOTE=Marmk122;293242]I don't think this is it. In the launch special we saw Cara Maria getting tossed around like a rag doll with that jet blast. I'll say it is ONE of the final challenges, but not the final one.[/QUOTE]Thanks. I didn't see the Cara Maria shot. Either way, I'm really looking forward to that mission (and the one jesses_girl posted screenshots of). A lot of the challenges in the trailer look really good.
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[QUOTE=Marmk122;293242]I don't think this is it. [B]In the launch special we saw Cara Maria getting tossed around like a rag doll with that jet blast.[/B] I'll say it is ONE of the final challenges, but not the final one.[/QUOTE]
We did?
I have seen all of the final 4 teams in the airplane challenge, but not Abram and Cara Maria.
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[QUOTE=molds13;293244]We did?
I have seen all of the final 4 teams in the airplane challenge, but not Abram and Cara Maria.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I'm re-watching it right now to try and get a good picture of it.
EDIT: I stand corrected. You were right.. I saw a bright blue jersey(JB and Camila - Abe and Cara are the exact same color) with a name starting with CA. Turns out it is Camila.
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There it is..
Now I am think that that was the last challenge, but in that case I think the two teams with the best shot are CT/Diem and Ty/Emily. CT could pull an Alan from The Hangover when he got tazed and just walk through it, possibly with Diem on his back. And Emily is, in my eyes, the strongest girl left at that point, so there is an obvious bonus. Sorry for my mistake.
Re: The Challenge: Battle of the Exes - Spoiler Discussion
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Now I am think that that was the last challenge, but in that case I think the two teams with the best shot are CT/Diem and Ty/Emily. CT could pull an Alan from The Hangover when he got tazed and just walk through it, possibly with Diem on his back. And Emily is, in my eyes, the strongest girl left at that point, so there is an obvious bonus. Sorry for my mistake.[/QUOTE]
Based on the preview, it looks like Diem may have hurt her shoulder during that last challenge.
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