The NBA Thread

[QUOTE=MF41590;290180][url=http://espn.go.com/new-york/nba/story/_/id/7338415/new-york-knicks-land-tyson-chandler-part-trade-dallas-mavericks-washington-wizards]New York Knicks land Tyson Chandler as part of trade with Dallas Mavericks, Washington Wizards - ESPN New York[/url] Knicks are paying 58 million over the next 4 years for a guy who has averaged 8 and 8 in his career...[/QUOTE] Stats don't tell the whole story. He was 3rd in Defensive Player of the Year voting and was the emotional and defensive leader for the Mavericks. There are no good stats to show the defensive impact of a player. The Knicks made a great move by signing Tyson Chandler. They already have 2 very good scorers, they just needed a true center and a defensive leader which they got with Chandler. The one thing I would worry about is he has a history of injuries.

Knicks also picked up Chauncey Billups. Interesting move as I think Billups is on his decline.

[QUOTE=molds13;290183]Knicks also picked up Chauncey Billups. Interesting move as I think Billups is on his decline.[/QUOTE] No they didn't. They had Billups on their team as he was included in their trade for Carmelo. They waived him using their amnesty so that they would have cap room for Chandler.

[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;290184]No they didn't. They had Billups on their team as he was included in their trade for Carmelo. They waived him using their amnesty so that they would have cap room for Chandler.[/QUOTE] Eh, I knew it had something to do with Billups, the Knicks, and someone getting waived. Clearly basketball's not my strong point.

[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;290184]No they didn't. They had Billups on their team as he was included in their trade for Carmelo. They waived him using their amnesty so that they would have cap room for Chandler.[/QUOTE] I'm a bit worried for their point guard position, all they have is Toney Douglas. I've heard rumors of Bibby and the Knicks, as a Kings fan I'd like that but unfortunately he is on the decline (well, honestly has been for a while now). Btw, any other Kings fans out there? I'm nervous because I want us to do well but we are so young, have too many players only looking to score, and while we addressed problems of defense by signing Chuck Hayes, he is so short for a big man (6 freaking 6)! I've always admired him though and hope he can help us out a little.

I've heard that the Knicks are hoping for Baron Davis to be amnestied by Cleveland. I actually like that idea...he can be great when properly motivated. What surprises me is West to the Celtics. Do any Cs fans know if they have to amnesty anyone or if it's a sign and trade situation? Last time I checked espn it was unclear.

[url=http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217327/Bibby_To_Sign_With_Knicks]Bibby To Sign With Knicks - RealGM Wiretap[/url] Well they are getting a slow vet who can still handle the rock and also hit the 3. Also... [url=http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217328/Knicks_Making_Push_For_Barea]Knicks Making Push For Barea - RealGM Wiretap[/url] I love Barea because he is so short and still fearless. I've liked him since before last year's playoffs, even though my German roommate (and thus a huge Dirk and Mavs fan) constantly said he sucks haha.

[QUOTE=DomDom7;290211][url=http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217327/Bibby_To_Sign_With_Knicks]Bibby To Sign With Knicks - RealGM Wiretap[/url] Well they are getting a slow vet who can still handle the rock and also hit the 3. Also... [url=http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217328/Knicks_Making_Push_For_Barea]Knicks Making Push For Barea - RealGM Wiretap[/url] I love Barea because he is so short and still fearless. I've liked him before last year's playoffs, even though my German roommate (and thus a huge Dirk and Mavs fan) constantly said he sucks haha.[/QUOTE] Bibby and Barea are perfect for the Knicks. Neither of them plays any defense. Barea is a nice offensive spark plug but he is nothing more than a backup PG. If Knicks fans think Barea will be a guy who plays more than 20-25 minutes a game they are just going to be disappointed.

[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;290213]Bibby and Barea are perfect for the Knicks. Neither of them plays any defense. Barea is a nice offensive spark plug but he is nothing more than a backup PG. If Knicks fans think Barea will be a guy who plays more than 20-25 minutes a game they are just going to be disappointed.[/QUOTE] I agree, and lol at the no defense. Sad but true. I think they are a good pair at the point for the Knicks though, D'Antoni's system doesn't require great D, and now they have Chandler to defend the lane. Despite Bibby being slower, his shooting and Barea's quickness make up for it.

[url=http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7340640/los-angeles-lakers-pull-trade-talks-chris-paul-according-sources]Los Angeles Lakers pull out of trade talks for Chris Paul, according to sources - ESPN Los Angeles[/url] So the Lakers are not trading for Chris Paul anymore, yet they are still moving Lamar Odom to the Dallas Mavericks? Interesting. I wonder if Odom refused to play for the Lakers after he was almost traded to the Hornets for Paul.

I'd definitely do it, but I will be in Barbados on Thursday until 12/25 so I would not be able to make the draft. Auto draft would probably be better for my team anyways lol

I'm in too...the league that I was supposed to do fell through.

I'm down to join!

I'm in, but is there anyway we can do ESPN, their overall layout is so much better than yahoo, CBS, or anyone for that matter. Also, my mavs getting odom for basically a high five is awesome. Take the 3rd best player away from the lake show and have him come off the bench for us? Very good, also getting vince carter as a spread the floor shooter is cool too.

[QUOTE=JL81790;290199]I've heard that the Knicks are hoping for Baron Davis to be amnestied by Cleveland. I actually like that idea...he can be great when properly motivated. [/QUOTE] [url=http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217418/Davis_Likely_To_Be_Amnestied_End_Up_With_Knicks]Davis Likely To Be Amnestied End Up With Knicks - RealGM Wiretap[/url] Two vets at the point, I agree that Davis can be really good at times hopefully he brings that to NY if he ends up there. Potentially: Davis Fields Anthony Stoudemire Chandler

If you want to be smashed in Fantasy Basketball I will be happy to oblige.

Now the CP3/Clippers deal is dead. I'm confused about what the league is looking for...they were getting great young talent, a veteran big, and an unprotected pick and they wanted more. In the Lakers deal they were getting three borderline all-stars and an unprotected pick. Eventually the Lakers/Clippers/Celtics/Knicks whoever else are just going to say **** it, play out the season, and bid on him in free agency and the Hornets get nothing.

[QUOTE=JL81790;290465]Now the CP3/Clippers deal is dead. I'm confused about what the league is looking for...they were getting great young talent, a veteran big, and an unprotected pick and they wanted more. In the Lakers deal they were getting three borderline all-stars and an unprotected pick. Eventually the Lakers/Clippers/Celtics/Knicks whoever else are just going to say **** it, play out the season, and bid on him in free agency and the Hornets get nothing.[/QUOTE] Seriously, an all star center from 2 years ago, an amazing young scorer at shooting guard, and a raw athletic long wing with potential. Not to mention the Minnesota pick which is bound to be a top lottery pick. The pick could turn into Anthony Davis or Jared Sullinger. It is better than nothing, I can't see how they think they will get more from a team. Edit: had to pick between Gordon and Minnesota pick. [url]http://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/217426/Clippers_Told_Hornets_To_Pick_Between_Gordon_2012_Minnesota_Pick[/url]

[url=http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7353870/sources-los-angeles-new-orleans-hornets-agree-chris-paul-trade]Sources -- Los Angeles, New Orleans Hornets agree on Chris Paul trade - ESPN Los Angeles[/url] Did they give up too much? Well it's gonna be exciting to see Paul and Griffin, and even Jordan getting lobs. I like it for the Hornets though, nice young talent coming in (Gordon/Aminu/pick).

[QUOTE=DomDom7;290614][url=http://espn.go.com/los-angeles/nba/story/_/id/7353870/sources-los-angeles-new-orleans-hornets-agree-chris-paul-trade]Sources -- Los Angeles, New Orleans Hornets agree on Chris Paul trade - ESPN Los Angeles[/url] Did they give up too much? Well it's gonna be exciting to see Paula and Griffin, and even Jordan getting lobs. I like it for the Hornets though, nice young talent coming in (Gordon/Aminu/pick).[/QUOTE] I think they absolutely gave up too much. Eric Gordon is a top 20 player in the NBA and is on the verge of a break out into a superstar in my opinion. Chris Kaman is a very, very underrated center. Aminu was a first round pick last year, so he still has a ton of upside. On top of it all, That unprotected first round pick could very well be the number 1 overall pick next year, in what will probably be the most loaded draft class since the Lebron/Melo/Wade/Bosh draft. The Hornets could be a playoff team as early as this year in my opinion.

[QUOTE=MF41590;290631]I think they absolutely gave up too much. Eric Gordon is a top 20 player in the NBA and is on the verge of a break out into a superstar in my opinion. Chris Kaman is a very, very underrated center. Aminu was a first round pick last year, so he still has a ton of upside. On top of it all, That unprotected first round pick could very well be the number 1 overall pick next year, in what will probably be the most loaded draft class since the Lebron/Melo/Wade/Bosh draft. The Hornets could be a playoff team as early as this year in my opinion.[/QUOTE] You are overstating how good Eric Gordon is. He is not a top 20 player in the NBA. He is a borderline top 40 guy at best. The Hornets needed to go into rebuild mode because they were going to lose CP3 in free agency. They have a chance to get 2 top 8-10 picks this year in a deep draft class and start building with Aminu + Gordon + 2 rookies.

[QUOTE=TheFeedMachi;290650][B]You are overstating how good Eric Gordon is. He is not a top 20 player in the NBA. He is a borderline top 40 guy at best.[/B] The Hornets needed to go into rebuild mode because they were going to lose CP3 in free agency. They have a chance to get 2 top 8-10 picks this year in a deep draft class and start building with Aminu + Gordon + 2 rookies.[/QUOTE] If you are talking how good he is as a player today, then I will agree he is not top 20. But if we are talking value as a player to a franchise, and you think he is borderline top 40 at best, by all means, name 40 players you'd rather build around. He is a monster offensively, and while he may be a little one dimensional right now, he is still just 22 years old. Kobe couldn't guard anyone when he was 22 either.

[QUOTE=MF41590;290656]If you are talking how good he is as a player today, then I will agree he is not top 20. But if we are talking value as a player to a franchise, and you think he is borderline top 40 at best, by all means, name 40 players you'd rather build around. He is a monster offensively, and while he may be a little one dimensional right now, he is still just 22 years old. Kobe couldn't guard anyone when he was 22 either.[/QUOTE] You said top 20 player not top 20 building block. I would take Eric Gordon over Kobe and Dirk as building blocks but he is no where near the same level as them as players.

Can we not fill up in fantasy? I wouldn't mind an 8 team league if we can't find 10.

[QUOTE=afuNk13;290924]Can we not fill up in fantasy? I wouldn't mind an 8 team league if we can't find 10.[/QUOTE] what league? I'm willing to join.