The Challenge: Rivals - Reunion (Spoilers)

[QUOTE=Skeet;270588]Is there some sort of summary? I just woke up and noticed there's about 28 unread pages :s[/QUOTE] nvm, decided to read a few pages and it's good stuff :p The final is kinda stupid though, such a long first day and then a 1 hour second day and Wes/Kenny's headstart was nothing. And standing on a rock for hours? Come on.. Looking forward to all the arguement's tho, glad Adam sets Jenn straight too. It's not like anyone was expecting Jenn not to have *** on a challenge so there's no reason for her to hide it.

Was the race between Paula/Evelyn and Laurel/Cara Maria close?

[QUOTE=kristalie;270559]Also on a side note, I hate that it seems like Jenn and Paula just yapped about Laurels few minutes of screaming at Paula to completely overshadow the days of bullying THEY did to Cara Maria because the comments Laurel made look worse on paper. [B]Cara Maria isn't the type to bring it up and play the "poor me,[/B] I want answers for your actions" like everyone else does so I'm not surprised it went overshadowed. :/[/QUOTE] I'm trying to remember a challenge where CM didnt play victim/poor me 1.Fresh Meat 2- Poor CM sulked after being put into the first Exile and went all crazy on everybody for partying while she was trying to sleep. 2.Cutthroat- Poor CM got picked on by Laurel, Sarah and Ayiiia. 3.Rivals- Poor CM didnt have any friends because she was the only "nice" on on this challenge and Jenn and Wes were such mean people. Yeah CM pulls out the victim card each season. I also cant believe people actually think Ev was lying about having broken ribs for the final. Why would she need to lie? She Won! Geesh

[QUOTE=JL81790;270447]This rock standing business seems ridiculous (not in the I don't believe it happened kind of way...in the wow that's crazy kind of way). I guess it would depend on how long they had to do it but it seems like it would be 6+ hours if they said they had to do it the whole night. [B]The fact that Kenny did that while Wes slept and Wes STILL lost it for them boggles my mind.[/B][/QUOTE]Did you miss the part where it was said that Wes was extremely sick?

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;270597]Did you miss the part where it was said that Wes was extremely sick?[/QUOTE] Nah...I saw it...I guess I was just confused because generally Greek Gods don't get sick. It's part of the whole "immortal deity" thing.

I didn't know Wes was Greek. hmmm He must have been really messed up if he had to stoop to letting Kenny carry him. That had to kill him. lol Nothing to be ashamed of, though.

[QUOTE=JL81790;270598]Nah...I saw it...I guess I was just confused because generally Greek Gods don't get sick. It's part of the whole "immortal deity" thing.[/QUOTE] LOL! I like this...

[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;270597]Did you miss the part where it was said that Wes was extremely sick?[/QUOTE] Apparently a dehydrated person would get worse after they sleep, so he should have stood on the rock, Mike was the one on the rock for his team I wonder if that's why he did it because I would say Leroy is stronger. I feel bad for Wes/Kenny if the final was a normal one or one that lasted 1 day they would have won, they should have at least had 15 minutes head start because they came in 45 minutes early on a 3 hour race.

[QUOTE=Blue123;270606]Apparently a dehydrated person would get worse after they sleep, so he should have stood on the rock, [B]Mike was the one on the rock for his team I wonder if that's why he did it because I would say Leroy is stronger.[/B] I feel bad for Wes/Kenny if the final was a normal one or one that lasted 1 day they would have won, they should have at least had 15 minutes head start because they came in 45 minutes early on a 3 hour race.[/QUOTE] Mike was a cross country runner, his legs should be pretty strong. And also, someone said that Leroy wanted to quit, he was the weaker link on the team in that sense so it's good that Mike stood on the rock. Leroy probably would've hopped off and jumped in bed next to Mike lol

The most ironic/funniest part of the Kenny carrying Wes thing, is that their whole feud has been trying to one up each other and prove who is better, whether it be with women or in competition. Kenny can now go to the I carried you card, so regardless if it happened to other people still humbling. I assume some of it factors into your conditioning and preparedness physically becuase Big easy isn't in the best shape for running long distance, and Cara said Abe didn't even eat breakfast when he had heatstroke on cutthroat. Since not everyone gets it on the finals. Wonder what Wes did? I think someone said Mike wanted to quit, kept going though than Leroy said F it and ending up quitting. Still weak IMO unless they were very far behind. You made it that far, it's a ton of money, I have more respect for Wes putting his pride aside and letting Kenny carry him rather than quit.

[QUOTE=jojorules;270609]The most ironic/funniest part of the Kenny carrying Wes thing, is that their whole feud has been trying to one up each other and prove who is better, whether it be with women or in competition. Kenny can now go to the I carried you card, so regardless if it happened to other people still humbling. I assume some of it factors into your conditioning and preparedness physically becuase Big easy isn't in the best shape for running long distance, and Cara said Abe didn't even eat breakfast when he had heastroke on cutthroat. [B]Since not everyone gets it on the finals. Wonder what Wes did?[/B] I think someone said Mike wanted to quit, kept going though than Leroy said F it and ending up quitting. Still weak IMO unless they were very far behind. You made it that far, it's a ton of money, I have more respect for Wes putting his pride aside and letting Kenny carry him rather than quit.[/QUOTE] Food poisoning can dehydrate you pretty easily, and I cant believe Leory wanted to quit, Mike was the one puking and he stuck threw it. And I wana know how long was Wes being carried, like he's huge Kenny cant carry him long lol if it was for only like a minute then that doenst do much but if it was the whole race then Id be like omg lol.

[QUOTE=jojorules;270609] Wonder what Wes did?[/quote] Didn't Wes also lose it for Mandi on FM2? She actually beat him in their elimination round and Wes had cramped up during that as well as he did during this final. That was mentioned earlier. So I'm wondering if Wes perhaps next to the dehydration and food poisoning has been lacking in his training to run long distances. Wes lost to Cohutta on the Ruins in that rope elimination what also had a lot to do with endurance so perhaps since The Duel which he won that area has taken a back seat and he has been concentrating on bulking up which he has done since then. Also I don't quite get the Jenn getting all upset about the crackhead comment does she have a known past of drug abuse?

[QUOTE=Blue123;270610]Food poising can dehydrate you pretty easily, and I cant believe Leory wanted to quit, Mike was the one puking and he stuck threw it. And I wana know how long was Wes being carried, like he's huge Kenny cant carry him long lol if it was for only like a minute then that doenst do much but if it was the whole race then Id be like omg lol.[/QUOTE] I read 15 seconds somewhere, but would be nice to hear from someone who knows it for sure :p

[QUOTE=Skeet;270612]I read 15 seconds somewhere, but would be nice to hear from someone who knows it for sure :p[/QUOTE] **** psht that did nothing but hurt Wes' ego, I think Kenny wanted to look like superman lol as if he could carry Wes' *** the guy probably weighs more than him. It should be a funny shot though.

[QUOTE=Blue123;270606]Apparently a dehydrated person would get worse after they sleep, so he should have stood on the rock, Mike was the one on the rock for his team I wonder if that's why he did it because I would say Leroy is stronger. I feel bad for Wes/Kenny if the final was a normal one or one that lasted 1 day they would have won, they should have at least had 15 minutes head start because they came in 45 minutes early on a 3 hour race.[/QUOTE] I don't think anyone in their right mind would put a dehydrated person with food poisoning to stand up whole night, even if sleep makes them more dehydrated as the other poster said. I doubt the dehydrated person would be able to stand up on a rock for approx. 8 hrs. I think they did the best with what they had, but I agree that 1 min head start is ****. Would have been better for them if they didn't have an overnight. [QUOTE=Blue123;270610]Food poising can dehydrate you pretty easily, and I cant believe Leory wanted to quit, Mike was the one puking and he stuck threw it. And I wana know how long was Wes being carried, like he's huge Kenny cant carry him long lol if it was for only like a minute then that doenst do much but if it was the whole race then Id be like omg lol.[/QUOTE] Maybe Wes isn't that great at finals... someone did say there are mission people, elimination ones and people who are great at finals. Wes has been good at eliminations it seems, and Kenny at finals.

[QUOTE=Blue123;270614]lmao psht that did nothing but hurt Wes' ego, I think Kenny wanted to look like superman lol as if he could carry Wes' *** the guy probably weighs more than him. It should be a funny shot though.[/QUOTE]Kenny weighs a lot more than Wes. And he's a lot taller as well.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;270615] Maybe Wes isn't that great at finals... someone did say there are mission people, elimination ones and people who are great at finals. Wes has been good at eliminations it seems, and Kenny at finals.[/QUOTE]That is unfair to say when he clearly was not in the right condition to be running a Final.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;270615]. Maybe Wes isn't that great at finals... someone did say there are mission people, elimination ones and people who are great at finals. Wes has been good at eliminations it seems, and Kenny at finals.[/QUOTE] Could be, we have only seen him on 2 before, but you need to get through eliminations to get to the finals, so I have hope for him on a duel 3!! There better be a duel 3.

[QUOTE=cryssy19;270615]I don't think anyone in their right mind would put a dehydrated person with food poisoning to stand up whole night, even if sleep makes them more dehydrated as the other poster said. I doubt the dehydrated person would be able to stand up on a rock for approx. 8 hrs. I think they did the best with what they had, but I agree that 1 min head start is ****. Would have been better for them if they didn't have an overnight. [B]Maybe Wes isn't that great at finals... someone did say there are mission people, elimination ones and people who are great at finals. Wes has been good at eliminations it seems, and Kenny at finals.[/B][/QUOTE] Well Wes only saw 2 finals prior to this one and those were a while ago. Kenny, on the other hand, has seen 7 prior so he's had more experience with them.

Kenny didn't carry Wes for that long, according to Wes it was like 10 seconds or 15 seconds long. Honestly, I don't think Kenny could carry Wes up a mountain for much longer on his shoulders - especially after all the work Kenny did towards the beginning of the finals while Wes cramped up. However, Kenny & Wes will agree that they both have their strengths. Kenny admits Wes carried him through the challenge, while Wes admits Kenny carried him through the final.

[QUOTE=Meelz;270621]Kenny didn't carry Wes for that long, according to Wes it was like 10 seconds or 15 seconds long. Honestly, I don't think Kenny could carry Wes up a mountain for much longer on his shoulders - especially after all the work Kenny did towards the beginning of the finals while Wes cramped up. However, Kenny & Wes will agree that they both have their strengths. Kenny admits Wes carried him through the challenge, while Wes admits Kenny carried him through the final.[/QUOTE] Would you say they made up? So on the next one would they be against each other or will they work together? And carrying him for only 10-15 seconds does nothing but tire Kenny out, just wait 20 seconds for Wes to rest.

[QUOTE=Blue123;270622]Would you say they made up? So on the next one would they be against each other or will they work together? And carrying him for only 10-15 seconds does nothing but tire Kenny out, just wait 20 seconds for Wes to rest.[/QUOTE] I never thought of them as enemies, like actually hating each other. I think it's played up all for the camera and camera time. I don't think they are buddies, but I really don't think it's anything besides trying to prove who is better and talking **** to each other around other people. I think other pairs legit hate or hated each other, these two more just play a game of who can outdue who. Which a lot of guys are competitive like that. Especially guys with big egos. I think brielfy Wes hated him with the Johanna thing, but it seemed like he was ready to hug it out right after Kenny apologized, whether he meant it or not. More meaningless *** talking on those 1 on 1 interviews is like 90 percent of their rivalry the last few seasons, and that is not even to their face. "he's ugly, he stinks" said and repeated 100 times. I think it depends how the game is if they work together. If they invite all of Kenny's friends like always, Wes would be towards the bottom of the pecking order in that group, so they probably would go against each other. I don't think Kenny is afraid to face Wes in a final, so that usaully is who you want to help go far with you. Like everyone wanted CT out of the final because they all were sure they could not beat him in a final.

[QUOTE=jojorules;270623]I never thought of them as enemies, like actually hating each other. I think it's played up all for the camera and camera time. I don't think they are buddies, but I really don't think it's anything besides trying to prove who is better and talking **** to each other around other people. I think other pairs legit hate or hated each other, these two more just play a game of who can outdue who. Which a lot of guys are competitive like that. Especially guys with big egos. I think it depends how the game is if they work together. If they invite all of Kenny's friends like always, Wes would be towards the bottom of the pecking order in that group, so they probably would go against each other. I don't think Kenny is afraid to face Wes in a final, so that usaully is who you want to help go far with you. Like everyone wanted CT out of the final because they all were sure they could not beat him in a final.[/QUOTE] Yeah I dont think they're enemies like Jenn/Cara M are now or Adam/CT but in the game I dont think they want anything to do with eachother and they dont trust eachother and I prefer it if Wes and Ev are against the alliance, this challenge was too easy for them. And I wana see Wes/Kenny in an elimination, my money's on Wes lol just get them a rope, or a pole wrestle should be good, not sure who would win that, Wes doesn't wrestle but did pretty well against Derrick. I dont see them working together though especially of Wes wants to work with Ev.

Meelz, did either Wes or Kenny see the 45 minute lead being decreased to 1 minute as unfair?

[QUOTE=Blue123;270624]Yeah but I prefer it if Wes and Ev are against the alliance, this challenge was too easy for them. And I wana see Wes/Kenny in an elimination, my money's on Wes lol just get them a rope, or a pole wrestle should be good, not sure who would win that, Wes doesn't wrestle but did pretty well against Derrick. I dont see them working together though especially of Wes wants to work with Ev.[/QUOTE] I think the reason they won't work together is Wes understands he is not top priority in the MOB unless he is paired with JEK. So why would he be in with them? He can form a solid one with Ev and stragglers who aren't in one and try his best. That is why it appears they are alwasy against each other, Wes is smart enough to not be one of the MANY people who think the mob is protecting them, when they are at the bottom fo the pecking order which ultimately does nothing for those people but keeps the main mob members safe. See Camilla/Theresa, and countless others who are tricked into joining the alliance and are at the bottom of the chain so it really does no good for them to be in it. That's how they run the whole show is too many people blindly join without thinking if only 3 teams make it to the final, what good does this do me? Wes is too smart to put himself in that situation. How did Johnny/Tyler lose by 45 minutes to Wes/Kenny anyway that is a lot to be behind by. That is insane.

[QUOTE=jojorules;270626] How did Johnny/Tyler lose by 45 minutes to Wes/Kenny anyway that is a lot to be behind by. That is insane.[/QUOTE] It was a 12 hour race. It's really not that much to be behind by.

OH. So they were up 45 minutes going into the final 1 hour part of the challenge? Makes more sense. But I think they should have been rewarded with that head start even if the last part was only an hour, they earned it. If that means the last hour doesn't matter, so be it because that's what they earned. Pretty BS actually, but was it the last hour leg that Wes needed to be carried or during the 12 hour portion?

Wes/Kenny did very well then, especially since Wes was ****ed up props to him for not giving up. That is BS is they were ahead the night before by 45 mins and then lost by 45 mins, they should have made the 2nd day longer or just had it 1 long 1st day. And yeah about the alliances thing, it's actually better if you have less people than more, people like Evan make alliances with everyone and that makes you look like an ******* in the end but just 2 solid people who wont **** eachother would go far, Wes and Ev owned the house on FM2 if Kenny/Laurel didnt win so much they would have been gone immediately.

[QUOTE=Blue123;270633]Wes/Kenny did very well then, especially since Wes was ****ed up props to him for not giving up. [B]That is BS is they were ahead the night before by 45 mins and then lost by 45 mins[/B], they should have made the 2nd day longer or just had it 1 long 1st day. And yeah about the alliances thing, it's actually better if you have less people than more, people like Evan make alliances with everyone and that makes you look like an ******* in the end but just 2 solid people who wont **** eachother would go far, Wes and Ev owned the house on FM2 if Kenny/Laurel didnt win so much they would have been gone immediately.[/QUOTE] Whoa whoa whoa...who said they lost by 45 minutes? The last part of the final was only about an hour long. I'm not sure how many times I need to stress that.

[QUOTE=Blue123;270633]Wes/Kenny did very well then, especially since Wes was ****ed up props to him for not giving up. That is BS is they were ahead the night before by 45 mins and then lost by 45 mins, they should have made the 2nd day longer or just had it 1 long 1st day. And yeah about the alliances thing, it's actually better if you have less people than more, people like Evan make alliances with everyone and that makes you look like an ******* in the end but just 2 solid people who wont **** eachother would go far, [B]Wes and Ev owned the house on FM2 if Kenny/Laurel didnt win so much they would have been gone immediately.[/B][/QUOTE] The first 4 or 5 episodes of Fresh Meat 2 were some of my more enjoyable episodes. I loved watching Kenny and his little minions squirm for half a season. Hated that it all fell apart for Wes and Evelyn on that challenge. Anyway, there are seasons where some people win the final by hours....HOURS. I don't think 45 minutes is really that bad - especially when (like Molds already has pointed out) the race was 12 hours long. EDIT: And I'm not referring to the entire final - I understand (and may be one of the few) that Wes & Kenny were ahead 45 minutes AFTER DAY ONE.