[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260448]Please people stop taking [B]offence[/B], I'm honestly not trying to offend anyone. The only person who should be offended is Kenny and yes I just used the word [B]offence[/B] 3 times. lol
Since you brought up basketball, let me use that to make my point. I played basketball too and [B]we can truly get how athletic Lebron James is in a way that a random person who's never played the sport can't.[/B] You know what I mean? So, that was the point I was trying to make.
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First point: the word is offense, not offence.
Second point: as someone who has never played basketball competitively, I don't see how anyone could not see Lebron James' athleticism. And I have competed against guys in other things that aren't basketball, therefore my point should be taken into consideration.
So...no, I do not know what you mean. And it's not necessarily that people are taking offense to your post (although some have), I believe it's more that I don't think anyone else is understanding what point you are trying to make.
You say that a woman cannot judge a man's abilities because she does not compete against men. Then you say that you, as a man, are able to judge a woman's abilities because you have competed against them in the past. However, you do not know these people's pasts; you cannot judge a person's ability to judge others based on a username. You do not know who has competed against who. Can you imagine if I were to judge every person here based on their username? This would turn into a laughingstock. Don't get me started on what I'd say about you.
Your best bet is to simply concede this discussion before it turns into an angry mob of people telling you that you're an idiot.
[QUOTE=toenails;260456]Stop responding to him, he's just a troll. As Leroy would say, "don't feed into it, man".[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=molds13;260453]First point: the word is offense, not offence.
Second point: as someone who has never played basketball competitively, I don't see how anyone could not see Lebron James' athleticism. And I have competed against guys in other things that aren't basketball, therefore my point should be taken into consideration.
So...no, I do not know what you mean. And it's not necessarily that people are taking offense to your post (although some have), I believe it's more that I don't think anyone else is understanding what point you are trying to make.
You say that a woman cannot judge a man's abilities because she does not compete against men. Then you say that you, as a man, are able to judge a woman's abilities because you have competed against them in the past. However, you do not know these people's pasts; you cannot judge a person's ability to judge others based on a username. You do not know who has competed against who. Can you imagine if I were to judge every person here based on their username? This would turn into a laughingstock. Don't get me started on what I'd say about you.
Your best bet is to simply concede this discussion before it turns into an angry mob of people telling you that you're an idiot.[/QUOTE]
I don't even know why I'm even trying to make my point to be honest, cus athleticism is clearly relative but apparently most people here see it as a black and white issue.
BTW yes offence is a real word, its the british spelling but anyway.
My point is compared to me, the people I've competed against in various things, and the people on this challenge; Kenny to me is not very athletic.
This is how I rank the people on this show, as far as athleticism goes (my opinion):
CT, Wes, Evan, Leroy (need to see more), Adam K, Johnny, Tyler, Brandon, Nehemiah, Kenny, Ty, Tyrie, Davis.
This is just what I think overall, of course in a certain event anyone can beat anyone.
Everyone on here do seem to be super sensitive tho, the girl's (?) name was yankeegurl93, so I naturally assumed she was a 18 year old girl. lol come on now, that's just logic.
If you people still think I don't make any sense, then fine this will be my last comment on this subject.
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260462]I guess these days anyone who has an opposing view is considered a troll. Fine, I will leave you guys to your Kenny love fest.[/QUOTE]
I actually agree with this.
And that is my contribution to this argument.
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260462]I guess these days anyone who has an opposing view is considered a troll. Fine, [B]I will leave you guys to your Kenny love fest.[/B][/QUOTE]
Thanks!
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[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260448]Please people stop taking offence, I'm honestly not trying to offend anyone. The [B]only person who should be offended is Kenny[/B] and yes I just used the word offence 3 times. lol
Since you brought up basketball, let me use that to make my point. I played basketball too and we can truly get how athletic Lebron James is in a way that a random person who's never played the sport can't. You know what I mean? So, that was the point I was trying to make.
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The reason I am offended is because you made it sound like a girl (or anyone who is not an athlete) has no right to judge a guy. You sounded sexist to me because you said a girl could not judge the athleticism of a guy. Maybe you didn't mean it like that but that is how it came across to me.
As far as I know, you and I are definitely not as athletic as Lebron so how could we truly get it either? Judging how athletic someone is isn't about knowing what it is like and how it feels to jump high or sprint fast, all you need is your eyes (as you said you can tell based on how people move). Our opinions clearly differ on this but I am just saying that anyone with eyes can judge another person's athleticism. Do you see where I'm coming from? Example: if a former track runner and their friend who didn't do track were watching a race, duh the friend would be able to judge people's athleticism even though they aren't a runner themself.
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260462]I guess these days anyone who has an opposing view is considered a troll. Fine, I will leave you guys to your Kenny love fest.[/QUOTE]
I have had opposing views too and not been called a troll, it's just in the way you said certain things. And like I said before [B]I'm not a Kenny fan and don't consider him a top athlete on these challenges.[/B]
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260462]I guess these days anyone who has an opposing view is considered a troll. Fine, I will leave you guys to your Kenny love fest.[/QUOTE]
It's not even that you have an opposing viewpoint. Nobody is disagreeing that Kenny is sucking hard this season. It's that you go about making your point in a pretty nonsensical manner.
The way I see it, it's not Kenny's lack of athletic ability that is making his screw up this season. It's that he is mentally unfocused and communicates poorly with Wes.
First mission: If I remember correctly, both Kenny and Wes cleared all 15 hatch marks pretty easily. The DQ was because of lack of mental focus -- miscalculating how many steps it took to jump over the line.
Second mission: Kenny and Wes DQed because they suck at working together.
Third mission: Once again, misjudged the jump onto the zipline and/or lack of coordination with Wes.
Fourth mission: Kenny misjudged the amount of weight to place onto the hammock, and it flipped over. (I also noticed that when Adam flipped over his hammock, CT reached over to stabilize it so that it was easier for Adam to get his bearings. No such help from Wes when Kenny flipped over...sometimes I think Wes is more content to watch Kenny fail than to actually help him out and win.)
No one has shown me any evidence that Kenny actually wrestled in college. I don't think he did. It sounds like he's signed up for a few beginners' grappling tournaments, and has watched one too many episodes of the WWF. He has this fake Mr. Beautiful/tough-guy persona that seems to fool a lot of people here. The guy is a big talker. He's not a top-notch competitor.
[QUOTE=danw34;260475]No one has shown me any evidence that Kenny actually wrestled in college. I don't think he did. It sounds like he's signed up for a few beginners' grappling tournaments, and has watched one too many episodes of the WWF. He has this fake Mr. Beautiful/tough-guy persona that seems to fool a lot of people here. The guy is a big talker. He's not a top-notch competitor.[/QUOTE]
People who have done shows with him know he has, plus he wrestled CT on Inferno 3 and kicked his ***. That led CT to sneaking up behind him and putting him in a choke hold.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;260477]People who have done shows with him know he has, plus he wrestled CT on Inferno 3 and kicked his ***. [B]That led CT to sneaking up behind him and putting him in a choke hold.[/B][/QUOTE]
I just re-watched this recently and honestly I was was so nervous when this happened. Kenny was clearly tapping out, over and over, and it's like CT just held on harder. Kenny's face like turned purple and guys had to come and pull CT off of Kenny.
I don't even understand why this debate of whether or not Kenny is an athlete is relevant. The fact is, NOBODY on these challenges is a top-tier athlete...if they were, they would be pro athletes.
[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;260480]I just re-watched this recently and honestly I was was so nervous when this happened. Kenny was clearly tapping out, over and over, and it's like CT just held on harder. Kenny's face like turned purple and guys had to come and pull CT off of Kenny.[/QUOTE]
I've watched it recently too...and both of you above posters have it backwards. FIRST, CT chokes Kenny out and Kenny taps and then they one on one wrestle outside and Kenny tossed and slammed CT down on his back and accidentally elbowed CT in the nose, causing it to bleed and CT had a ***** fit and then Alton, Tyrie, Johnny, Abe, Danny, ect. stepped in.
CT didn't sneak up behind Kenny, that was Kenny's revisionist version of history to make himself look good... in case you haven't noticed, he always has an excuse for something when he looks bad on TV.
They wrestled... Kenny was totally sober and CT was **** face wasted. Because of this, Kenny was able to take CT down at will but once they got on the ground, CT completely overpowered him and was able to put him in chokeholds each and every time. The rear naked choke in the house and the guillotine choke he had on Kenny outside on the deck were locked in good and Kenny would've never got out of them on his own unless other people were there to break it up. Big deal, he took CT down a lot... at the end of the day, it meant nothing because he couldn't finish once he got him down and CT finished him every time.
[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;260483]I've watched it recently too...and both of you above posters have it backwards. FIRST, CT chokes Kenny out and Kenny taps and then they one on one wrestle outside and Kenny tossed and slammed CT down on his back and accidentally elbowed CT in the nose, causing it to bleed and CT had a ***** fit and then Alton, Tyrie, Johnny, Abe, Danny, ect. stepped in.[/QUOTE]
I was just talking about the moment that CT had Kenny in the chokehold. Kenny was tapping out and CT wouldn't let go and the guys had to get him off. That's all I was commenting on.
[QUOTE=townie;260484]CT didn't sneak up behind Kenny, that was Kenny's revisionist version of history to make himself look good... in case you haven't noticed, he always has an excuse for something when he looks bad on TV.
They wrestled... Kenny was totally sober and CT was **** face wasted. Because of this, Kenny was able to take CT down at will but once they got on the ground, CT completely overpowered him and was able to put him in chokeholds each and every time. The rear naked choke in the house and the guillotine choke he had on Kenny outside on the deck were locked in good and Kenny would've never got out of them on his own unless other people were there to break it up. Big deal, he took CT down a lot... at the end of the day, it meant nothing because he couldn't finish once he got him down and CT finished him every time.[/QUOTE]
I don't know man, that choke hold after Kenny took him down during the 2nd match wasn't much of a choke hold at all... it was barely anything. Now, the first one...ha ha, Kenny was **** out of luck...there wasn't any getting out of that.
You guys, it seems to me that Kenny was out wrestling Ct, from Evan and Kenny's POVS! But, hey, enlighten me, right! It's pretty obvious that, outside, Ct choked him on the ground after he had him in that hold. He, Ct, looked pissed off, so maybe Kenny did beat him inside the house. But, that's not a big deal, even though I watch that clip, because it's hype, CT, I'm sure would MANHANDLE Kenny today, though. He seems so strong and so wide. He could probably dead-lift more than 600 pounds! Look at his ****** traps and back, not to mention his gargantuan foreharms!
[QUOTE=Econ1260MetZ;260490]You guys, it seems to me that Kenny was out wrestling Ct, from Evan and Kenny's POVS! But, hey, enlighten me, right! It's pretty obvious that, outside, Ct choked him on the ground after he had him in that hold. He, Ct, looked pissed off, so maybe Kenny did beat him inside the house. But, that's not a big deal, even though I watch that clip, because it's hype, CT, I'm sure would MANHANDLE Kenny today, though. He seems so strong and so wide. He could probably dead-lift more than 600 pounds! Look at his ****** traps and back, not to mention his gargantuan foreharms![/QUOTE]
A collegiate wrestler should be capable of taking down a guy who isn't a wrestler. Just as an example, pro wrestler Kurt Angle, who was also a real wrestler who won a gold medal in the olympics, can take a guy twice his size and weight down to his knees and make him cry in a matter of seconds. Not saying that Kenny's this amazing wrestler, but if he did wrestle in college, he should be able to take down guys bigger than him.
[QUOTE=danw34;260475]No one has shown me any evidence that Kenny actually wrestled in college. I don't think he did. It sounds like he's signed up for a few beginners' grappling tournaments, and has watched one too many episodes of the WWF. He has this fake Mr. Beautiful/tough-guy persona that seems to fool a lot of people here. The guy is a big talker. He's not a top-notch competitor.[/QUOTE]
I'd say he is a top Challenge competitor. Just not a top athlete on these challenges. But you don't need to be the best athlete in order to be successful you also need friends and alliances.
And no I am not fooled by Kenny and his tough guy persona, and I am not a fan of his either. For all his talk he can't back it up athletically, specifically on this Rivals season.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;260491][B]A collegiate wrestler should be capable of taking down a guy who isn't a wrestler. [/B] Just as an example, pro wrestler Kurt Angle, who was also a real wrestler who won a gold medal in the olympics, can take a guy twice his size and weight down to his knees and make him cry in a matter of seconds. Not saying that Kenny's this amazing wrestler, but if he did wrestle in college, he should be able to take down guys bigger than him.[/QUOTE]
From what I've seen he went to Montclair State University, and there isn't a varsity wrestling team there. They have a club team, and I know the club teams at my college are nowhere near the level of varsity sports.
[QUOTE=Econ1260MetZ;260490]You guys, it seems to me that Kenny was out wrestling Ct, from Evan and Kenny's POVS! But, hey, enlighten me, right! It's pretty obvious that, outside, Ct choked him on the ground after he had him in that hold. He, Ct, looked pissed off, so maybe Kenny did beat him inside the house. But, that's not a big deal, even though I watch that clip, because it's hype, CT, I'm sure would MANHANDLE Kenny today, though. He seems so strong and so wide. He could probably dead-lift more than 600 pounds! Look at his ****** traps and back, not to mention his gargantuan foreharms![/QUOTE]
Kenny beat CT outside the house...good lord, do you guys' not watch ? CT says, " I got him !" after Kenny took him down and was on top of him and CT had a half *** hold on the back/side of Kenny's neck/head and Abram responds to CT, "No no, he's got you.... he's got you". Who knows what would've happened if it kept going but where it stopped Kenny got the better of CT in that "wrestling match." I'm sure it was because CT was drunk or whatever, but still.
[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;260495]Kenny beat CT outside the house...good lord, do you guys' not watch ? CT says, " I got him !" after Kenny took him down and was on top of him and CT had a half *** hold on the back/side of Kenny's neck/head and Abram responds to CT, "No no, he's got you.... he's got you". Who knows what would've happened if it kept going but where it stopped Kenny got the better of CT in that "wrestling match." I'm sure it was because CT was drunk or whatever, but still.[/QUOTE]
Ok I just watched that clip, and what they showed is that first CT had Kenny in a really weird choke (not a rear naked) inside. Kenny was tapping like crazy but CT was not letting go until everyone else jumped in. Then they went outside, Kenny took CT down, and CT wrapped his arm around Kenny's neck while Kenny still had top cross side. For those of you who don't know grappling, that's really not a choke unless you muscle the crap out of it, and actually CT was putting his arm in danger.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;260496]Ok I just watched that clip, and what they showed is that first CT had Kenny in a really weird choke (not a rear naked) inside. Kenny was tapping like crazy but CT was not letting go until everyone else jumped in. Then they went outside, Kenny took CT down, and CT wrapped his arm around Kenny's neck while Kenny still had top cross side. For those of you who don't know grappling, that's really not a choke unless you muscle the crap out of it, and actually CT was putting his arm in danger.[/QUOTE]
When it happened? Wich season? Wich episode? What I missed?
[QUOTE=4realWORLD;260564]When it happened? Wich season? Wich episode? What I missed?[/QUOTE]
If you're trying to ask "When did it happen? Which season? Which episode? What did I miss?" Then the answer is that it was episode 1 of Inferno 3, very early on since it was before CT got kicked out.
[QUOTE=the_cactus;260482]I don't even understand why this debate of whether or not Kenny is an athlete is relevant. The fact is, [B]NOBODY on these challenges is a top-tier athlete...if they were, they would be pro athletes[/B].[/QUOTE]
Amen.
Based on his entire history, Kenny USUALLY does well in missions, and as demonstrated in Inferno 3 tends to be slacking a little until he knows his *** is on the line.
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