The Challenge: Rivals - Kenny Santucci

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[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260248]No that guy said I was judging a book by its cover, but just looking at your username its pretty obvious you're an 18 year old girl, am I wrong? BTW I'm not saying Kenny doesn't have an athletic bone in his body. He's obviously a decent athlete just based on him doing all these challenges but is he a good athlete? No sorry I don't think so. I've played sports all my life and you can tell how athletic a person is just based on their posture and how they move.[/QUOTE] No they were saying that because she's an 18 year old girl, you're assuming she's naive and doesn't know certain things. Anyway I think Kenny is decent, but he's nowhere near as good as some people (including himself) think he is. I don't consider # of finals or wins to show anything, especially when two of the ones you won were the two worst challenges out of the 20 seasons. Do I trust him in a final? Outside of the puzzles, yes. But there's plenty of guys who can do a generic final. Some people don't view Dunbar as credible, but he did the Cutthroat final and finished pretty well. Hell even Luke did too outside of him messing up the puzzle.
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260248]No that guy said I was judging a book by its cover, but just looking at your username its pretty obvious you're an 18 year old girl, am I wrong? BTW I'm not saying Kenny doesn't have an athletic bone in his body. He's obviously a decent athlete just based on him doing all these challenges but is he a good athlete? No sorry I don't think so. I've played sports all my life and you can tell how athletic a person is just based on their posture and how they move.[/QUOTE] I was implying that you are judging a book by it's cover because you said "you are an 18 year old girl" and "how do you know anything about athleticism'' basically implying that young girls don't know anything about athleticism. Not all girls are about princesses and ponies. Some play sports and watch sports too. Not all guys are into football and dirt. Some are into music. We can judge the people on the show and say that CT and Landon are great athletes because they showed they can kick a soccer ball and climb ropes but you can't really say someone isn't athletic because he can't handle heights or climb hammocks. Kenny has proven to be an above average player on these shows. The best? Not even close but he does enough to win and ultimately, that is the goal. Maybe he isn't looking amazing cause the majority of the people he runs next to are MORE athletic. If you take a soccer player and a tennis player and make them climb ladders and do back flips off of buildings, one person is gonna do better but the one who doesn't do as well doesn't mean they aren't athletic.
On Kenny's myspace page it says he's 6'1". I had just assumed he was taller because he tower's over most of the other guys. Are most of these guys bellow 6 feet tall?? If Kenny is only 6'1", That would mean Evan is like 5'11" or shorter? How tall are these guys?
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260248]No that guy said I was judging a book by its cover, but just looking at your username its pretty obvious you're an 18 year old girl, am I wrong? [/QUOTE] LOL, dude, this is the internet. teenage girl = 36 year old man....or Chris Hansen.
[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;260228]If that was the case, why were Ev and Danny the first people out? Evelyn is arguably the best girl ever to play this game. Kenny runs marathons, does events such as Tough Mudder ([URL="http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Tough+Mudder"]Let me google that for you[/URL]), and wins NAGA grappling tournaments, but is not not very athletic. Riiight... Saying Kenny isn't athletic is such BS. I will be the first person to admit that he's been ******** the bed so far. But the DQs definitely don't represent his athletic ability. The first mission, Kenny cleared the line. The second mission has nothing to do with athletics, but it was his fault that they DQ. The most recent mission, he lost his balance on a hammock. I'd give him the credit for hanging on as long as he did. None of these really have anything to do with what kind of athlete he is.[/QUOTE] Ev and Danny, if I remember correctly, had much more weight to deal with in the Exile, so your point is moot. In FM2, both teams had equal weight. And you using the LMGTFY there was borderline laughable. The whole joke around here with that is to use it to respond to ANOTHER PERSON'S stupid question, not to try and explain something that you brought up yourself. I'm tired of people trying to make excuses for Kenny, and have been for years. He's not as good as he's led people to believe, and he's never shown himself to be a dominant competitor. 2 Challenges he's won were pretty much tailor-made for him to win...and speaking of that, did you hear the podcast he did with Derrick and Johnny the other day? Claiming that there's no way they should have all made it to the end of The Ruins? JEKD on one team, the other team has Brad and a bunch of nobodys, JEKD's team keeps winning and controls the votes...and he's trying to make us believe that it was actually difficult to keep that core intact? Please. I hope him and that egotistical moron Wes get sent home in 2 weeks.
[QUOTE=faceless;260236]You just judged a book by its cover too. Think before you type. You can't say Kenny isn't an athletic person because he isn't a stellar swimmer or climber based on the challenges. We know Kenny is a wrestler outside so you can say he's athletic on that basis. Just like we can say Landon is athletic because we know mountain bikes outside of challenges.[/QUOTE] Did Kenny wrestle for a legitimate college program? I also saw some other people on here say Kenny was a collegiate wrestler. The wrestlers from my school, which was only a small D-3 school in Iowa were all beasts. Most had great strength, agility, quickness, balance, etc. They would murder your average person in a challenge like climbing a rope, or balancing on moving platforms, hammocks, etc. Kenny came in last out of 4 in the rope climb, and couldn't balance on one hammock. Was he a starting wrestler for a D-1 school? Or does he just have an interest in wrestling moves as a hobby? I think I remember Derek from some of the other challenge shows said he was a D-1 college wrestler, and that I can buy. The guy is a beast! What kind of wrestling experience does Kenny really have?
Besides a couple of exiles (which even Casey managed to win) what elimination round has Kenny ever won?? Can anybody point to one example of an event that he impressed?? A couple life shields 5 years ago?? The fact that the worst team automatically has to go in the Jungle is the beat thing about this season. Overrated people like Kenny can't just ride their way thru cause they have votes.
[QUOTE=Morgan;260267]Besides a couple of exiles (which even Casey managed to win) what elimination round has Kenny ever won?? Can anybody point to one example of an event that he impressed?? A couple life shields 5 years ago?? The fact that the worst team automatically has to go in the Jungle is the beat thing about this season. Overrated people like Kenny can't just ride their way thru cause they have votes.[/QUOTE] Kenny/Tina beat Eric/Katie and Theo/Chanda on Fresh Meat. Kenny/Laurel beat Sarah/Vinny on Fresh Meat II. Then there's the two on this season.
[QUOTE=danw34;260265]Did Kenny wrestle for a legitimate college program? I also saw some other people on here say Kenny was a collegiate wrestler. The wrestlers from my school, which was only a small D-3 school in Iowa were all beasts. Most had great strength, agility, quickness, balance, etc. They would murder your average person in a challenge like climbing a rope, or balancing on moving platforms, hammocks, etc. Kenny came in last out of 4 in the rope climb, and couldn't balance on one hammock. Was he a starting wrestler for a D-1 school? Or does he just have an interest in wrestling moves as a hobby? [B]I think I remember Derek from some of the other challenge shows said he was a D-1 college wrestler, and that I can buy. The guy is a beast! What kind of wrestling experience does Kenny really have?[/B][/QUOTE] Doesn't that disprove your point? Derek was horrible on these challenges.
[QUOTE=the_cactus;260269]Doesn't that disprove your point? Derek was horrible on these challenges.[/QUOTE] I always thought he did pretty well. He never made it to the end cause he was usually considered a new guy and wasn't part of the big alliances. But he usually put up pretty impressive performances. I think i can remember him losing a puzzle challenge when he was eliminated from the gauntlet 3. But how is wrestling experience going to help him with that, lol.
[QUOTE=the_cactus;260269]Doesn't that disprove your point? Derek was horrible on these challenges.[/QUOTE] I think they were talking about Derrick Kosisnski...
[QUOTE=faceless;260250]I was implying that you are judging a book by it's cover because you said "you are an 18 year old girl" and "how do you know anything about athleticism'' basically implying that young girls don't know anything about athleticism. Not all girls are about princesses and ponies. Some play sports and watch sports too. Not all guys are into football and dirt. Some are into music. We can judge the people on the show and say that CT and Landon are great athletes because they showed they can kick a soccer ball and climb ropes but you can't really say someone isn't athletic because he can't handle heights or climb hammocks. Kenny has proven to be an above average player on these shows. The best? Not even close but he does enough to win and ultimately, that is the goal. Maybe he isn't looking amazing cause the majority of the people he runs next to are MORE athletic. If you take a soccer player and a tennis player and make them climb ladders and do back flips off of buildings, one person is gonna do better but the one who doesn't do as well doesn't mean they aren't athletic.[/QUOTE] Come on man, read my comment properly before calling me out. I said she's a girl so she can't judge how athletic guys are because she doesn't compete against guys. People need to stop taking offence to everything. Kenny is not very athletic and I'm judging him based on what I've seen , I could care less if he's done obstacle courses or has competed in wrestling tournaments, that doesn't mean anything to me.
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260276]Come on man, read my comment properly before calling me out. I said she's a girl so she can't judge how athletic guys are because she doesn't compete against guys.[/QUOTE] Okay then how about this? [QUOTE=DaLeadBull;253118]No one said Laurel is a horrible athlete, I just simply said she is not as great as she thinks she is and what the general perception is about her. The closest thing we have to fact when it comes to measuring her athleticism is the fresh meat 2 combine thing, sure she came in 2nd but thats cus the rest of the girls there were that bad. Cara Maria is not that athletic either but she did beat her. Its true that I don't like her as a person but I'm not letting that cloud my judgement. She hasn't really impressed me that much in the challenges, I guess I'm just waiting to see what she's made of in an elimination round.[/QUOTE] That quote look familiar? That was you talking about Laurel. Well, following what you said about yankeegurl, you can't judge Laurel or any other girl since you are a guy and don't compete against girls. [QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260276]People need to stop taking offence to everything. Kenny is not very athletic and I'm judging him based on what I've seen , I could care less if he's done obstacle courses or has competed in wrestling tournaments, that doesn't mean anything to me.[/QUOTE] If Michael Jordan appeared on these challenges and couldn't climb a hammock then by your rules, he'd be nonathletic.
This entire argument is comical. How can anyone judge a person's athleticism by an edited competition? Someone can finish a task 30 mins before everyone else and based on editing you'd never know. Not only that but these competitions are in no way an indicator of athleticism. As the pervious poster said, based on these standards anyone who doesn't excel in the challenges would be considered a poor athlete or non athletic. I'd be willing to bet that Peyton Manning wouldn't fly up that rope, would that make him a poor athlete. I don't think so! Not to mention at the end of the day this is a reality game show not the Olympics, a good competitor is someone who's more than just a good athlete.
I believe Kenny wrestled at a college in New Jersey, but consider he's been out of college for 4+ years now, so I'm sure his training is no where near as rigorous as it used to be. He did really well on Inferno 3 winning a few life shields against Abe and Derrick, he also man-handled Tyrie. Derek from the Duel 2 and Gauntlet 3 played football I believe.
[QUOTE=realworld;260312][B]I believe Kenny wrestled at a college in New Jersey, but consider he's been out of college for 4+ years now, so I'm sure his training is no where near as rigorous as it used to be. [/B]He did really well on Inferno 3 winning a few life shields against Abe and Derrick, he also man-handled Tyrie. Derek from the Duel 2 and Gauntlet 3 played football I believe.[/QUOTE] If that was in reference to my post about sandbagging, then it doesn't really matter how long he's been out of college. A collegiate wrestler in a [I]beginner's[/I] division is complete BS. Divisions are based on amount of experience, not what you feel your current skill level is.
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DaLeadBull, no offense, but the more you talk, the more you sound like you're NOT an athlete and not knowledgeable about athletic ability. Athletes who are good at what they do are usually good at a very small range of skills. This is why good football players wouldn't be good tennis players, and marathon runners wouldn't be good wrestlers. The top competitors on these challenges have skills that translate well into the missions and elimination rounds. I imagine wrestlers would have a hard time on these challenges because save for the occasional elimination round, most missions require "outdoors sports" skills like jumping, climbing, and swimming. It's no coincidence outdoorsy types like Landon and Abram do extremely well on these challenges. Also, part of being a good athlete is having the muscle memory to perform a certain physical task. You can be the best wrestler in the world, but if you don't know the proper rhythm to freestyle across a pool, even a teenage girl on her high school swim team is going to look like a better athlete than you.
Finally showing his true colours.
[QUOTE=the_cactus;260328]DaLeadBull, no offense, but the more you talk, the more you sound like you're NOT an athlete and not knowledgeable about athletic ability. Athletes who are good at what they do are usually good at a very small range of skills. This is why good football players wouldn't be good tennis players, and marathon runners wouldn't be good wrestlers. The top competitors on these challenges have skills that translate well into the missions and elimination rounds. I imagine wrestlers would have a hard time on these challenges because save for the occasional elimination round, most missions require "outdoors sports" skills like jumping, climbing, and swimming. It's no coincidence outdoorsy types like Landon and Abram do extremely well on these challenges. Also, part of being a good athlete is having the muscle memory to perform a certain physical task. You can be the best wrestler in the world, but if you don't know the proper rhythm to freestyle across a pool, even a teenage girl on her high school swim team is going to look like a better athlete than you.[/QUOTE] You nailed it. I agree 100% with this. ^^^^^
[QUOTE=faceless]That quote look familiar? That was you talking about Laurel. Well, following what you said about yankeegurl, you can't judge Laurel or any other girl since you are a guy and don't compete against girls.[/QUOTE] Oh but I have my man, I've played Volleyball and Tennis against girls. And forgive me if I'm mistaken but isn't Laurel a Volleyball player? So I think I may have a clue about what I'm talking about. Compared to other Vball girls I've seen, Laurel doesn't seem that athletic, but she is definitely in the top 2 this season. [QUOTE=the_cactus;260328]DaLeadBull, no offense, but the more you talk, the more you sound like you're NOT an athlete and not knowledgeable about athletic ability. Athletes who are good at what they do are usually good at a very small range of skills. This is why good football players wouldn't be good tennis players, and marathon runners wouldn't be good wrestlers. The top competitors on these challenges have skills that translate well into the missions and elimination rounds. I imagine wrestlers would have a hard time on these challenges because save for the occasional elimination round, most missions require "outdoors sports" skills like jumping, climbing, and swimming. It's no coincidence outdoorsy types like Landon and Abram do extremely well on these challenges. Also, part of being a good athlete is having the muscle memory to perform a certain physical task. You can be the best wrestler in the world, but if you don't know the proper rhythm to freestyle across a pool, even a teenage girl on her high school swim team is going to look like a better athlete than you.[/QUOTE] Why are you confusing athleticism and skills related to certain sports. When I say athleticism, I'm talking about strength, speed, quickness, jumping ability, etc. Swimming, climbing, etc are skills that people posses, don't confuse the two. Once again, I can tell if a person is athletic just by watching how they move and I think any athlete or former athlete should be able to.
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260248]No that guy said I was judging a book by its cover, but just looking at your username [B]its pretty obvious you're an 18 year old girl, am I wrong?[/B] [/QUOTE] Yes, you are wrong.
[QUOTE=the_cactus;260328]DaLeadBull, no offense, but the more you talk, the more you sound like you're NOT an athlete and not knowledgeable about athletic ability. Athletes who are good at what they do are usually good at a very small range of skills. This is why good football players wouldn't be good tennis players, and marathon runners wouldn't be good wrestlers. The top competitors on these challenges have skills that translate well into the missions and elimination rounds. I imagine wrestlers would have a hard time on these challenges because save for the occasional elimination round, most missions require "outdoors sports" skills like jumping, climbing, and swimming. It's no coincidence outdoorsy types like Landon and Abram do extremely well on these challenges. Also, part of being a good athlete is having the muscle memory to perform a certain physical task. You can be the best wrestler in the world, but if you don't know the proper rhythm to freestyle across a pool, even a teenage girl on her high school swim team is going to look like a better athlete than you.[/QUOTE] This is what i've been trying to say when people say Ty is a horrible athlete just because he did bad on Challenges. Same goes for Kenny as well, just because he can't do certain tasks doesn't mean he isn't athletic.
He's talking to Brandon about what went down with the voting and stuff. [url=http://www.blogtalkradio.com/realtalkwithbrandon/2011/07/14/real-talk-with-brandon]Real Talk With Brandon 07/14 by RealTalkwithBrandon | Blog Talk Radio[/url]
I loved how he's blamming his suckiness on Wes and that he lost his 'mojo'... what mojo did you have Kenny? You were nobodies Top Dog individually. You were nothing spectacular. Your wins =/= your abilities.
[QUOTE=jesses_girl;260416]He's talking to Brandon about what went down with the voting and stuff. [url=http://www.blogtalkradio.com/realtalkwithbrandon/2011/07/14/real-talk-with-brandon]Real Talk With Brandon 07/14 by RealTalkwithBrandon | Blog Talk Radio[/url][/QUOTE] [QUOTE=wutzrenzi;260422]I loved how he's blamming his suckiness on Wes and that he lost his 'mojo'... what mojo did you have Kenny? You were nobodies Top Dog individually. You were nothing spectacular. Your wins =/= your abilities.[/QUOTE] Kenny's using the tried and true JEK strategy: Screw your friends first and apologize later. He's telling Brandon that he didn't want to call him out because he's his friend and wanted to take out CT but Wes was too scared. Who's buying that?!
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260276]Come on man, read my comment properly before calling me out. I said she's a girl so she can't judge how athletic guys are because she doesn't compete against guys. People need to stop taking offence to everything. Kenny is not very athletic and I'm judging him based on what I've seen , I could care less if he's done obstacle courses or has competed in wrestling tournaments, that doesn't mean anything to me.[/QUOTE] Firstly, this argument has been so amusing to read and just the way to brighten up my day after the HP midnight showing last night. Secondly...are you kidding? It doesn't matter if you were an athlete or not to be able to see the athleticism someone else possesses. It doesn't matter if you are a girl or a guy to see how athletic someone of the other sex is. [U]I do take offense[/U], and I am a male who used to play basketball and tennis in high school but just exercises in college currently not playing on (and not good enough to be on) any team. You said you can tell if someone is athletic by the way they move, well why can't that translate to both guys and girls? And why shouldn't a girl be able to see how a guy moves and judge if it is athletic or not? We (both males and females) are all seeing the same thing so why should our sex matter? You assumed yankeegurl is a female and for some reason is not qualified to judge how athletic a guy is? Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be saying only a male is allowed to judge a male on their athleticism but only if he were a former athlete himself? To me that is such BS and I guess a normal fan of basketball who didn't play won't be able to see how athletic Lebron James is but I can because I'm a guy who plays ball... Oh, and btw I think Kenny is fairly athletic but not by any means near the top in terms of competitors who are most athletic.
[QUOTE=DomDom7;260432]Firstly, this argument has been so amusing to read and just the way to brighten up my day after the HP midnight showing last night. Secondly...are you kidding? It doesn't matter if you were an athlete or not to be able to see the athleticism someone else possesses. It doesn't matter if you are a girl or a guy to see how athletic someone of the other sex is. [U]I do take offense[/U], and I am a male who used to play basketball and tennis in high school but just exercises in college currently not playing on (and not good enough to be on) any team. You said you can tell if someone is athletic by the way they move, well why can't that translate to both guys and girls? And why shouldn't a girl be able to see how a guy moves and judge if it is athletic or not? We (both males and females) are all seeing the same thing so why should our sex matter? You assumed yankeegurl is a female and for some reason is not qualified to judge how athletic a guy is? Correct me if I'm wrong but you seem to be saying only a male is allowed to judge a male on their athleticism but only if he were a former athlete himself? To me that is such BS and I guess a normal fan of basketball who didn't play won't be able to see how athletic Lebron James is but I can because I'm a guy who plays ball... Oh, and btw I think Kenny is fairly athletic but not by any means near the top in terms of competitors who are most athletic.[/QUOTE] Please people stop taking offence, I'm honestly not trying to offend anyone. The only person who should be offended is Kenny and yes I just used the word offence 3 times. lol Since you brought up basketball, let me use that to make my point. I played basketball too and we can truly get how athletic Lebron James is in a way that a random person who's never played the sport can't. You know what I mean? So, that was the point I was trying to make. Plus the other thing I was saying is that being an athlete just means you play a sport, being athletic is something different. For example, Yao Ming is an athlete but how many people really consider him athletic? In that same way, Kenny might have been a wrestler in college or whatever but to me he doesn't seem very athletic.
[QUOTE=DaLeadBull;260448] For example, Yao Ming is an athlete but how many people really consider him athletic? .[/QUOTE] Really? Being an athlete and being athletic are not mutually exclusive. Not to mention the fact that you wouldn't consider Yao Ming athletic, proves the point that your understanding of athleticism is skewed.
I don't care what happened last few episodes, Kenny is still the man,, he is a champ. Pretty much the only thing hes done well so far in this challenge is handle Tyrie, but there's plenty of episodes left.

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