Dude, those are outstanding numbers ! I dont even have those stats! Granted, I haven't worked out as long as he is, but still! *******, I can even imagine Ct's ******' numbers! He must have maxes of 400 bench, 600 squats and 700 deadlifts!
That guy (CT) is nothing to be ****ed with
[QUOTE=townie;259080]I've heard Wes benches 340 and squats around 400. While those are good numbers for somebody his bodyweight, they are nothing compared to guys 230-300 pounds that play college football at the D1 level. Yeah he is stronger pound-for-pound than most college football players but in terms of outright strength, he isn't.[/QUOTE]
Lol how do you even know those numbers? I never heard him say it. But yeah he said most that HE knows, maybe he only knows like 2 skinny ones. Lol people really hang on every comment this guy makes. He has good upper body strength according to Kenny, which I think he was referring to the climbing the rope jungle, and it looks like it cause his arms are huge but probably doesn't have strong legs, which you might need when playing foot ball.
[QUOTE=Blue123;259091]Lol how do you even know those numbers? I never heard him say it. But yeah he said most that HE knows, maybe he only knows like 2 skinny ones. Lol people really hang on every comment this guy makes. He has good upper body strength according to Kenny, which I think he was referring to the climbing the rope jungle, and it looks like it cause his arms are huge but probably doesn't have strong legs, which you might need when playing foot ball.[/QUOTE]
His facebook.
[QUOTE=Maestro;259095]His facebook.[/QUOTE]
Really? Are you sure it's his real fb? Apparently his twitter is fake so I wouldn't be surprised if some weirdo made a fake Wes fb too.
This is his real FB. I don't know of any fakes.
[URL="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000537525346"][url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000537525346[/url][/URL]
[QUOTE=Maestro;259103]This is his real FB. I don't know of any fakes.
[URL="http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000537525346"][url]http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100000537525346[/url][/URL][/QUOTE]
If that's the same one that wrote it then I guess it's real cause some of the cast is friends with it, lol his relationship status is "it's complicated with Wes Bergmann" :p he has 2 fb pages for some reason.
This guy is a overzelous little punk, who never backs up anything he ever says. He is nowhere near the caliber of competitor such as Darell, Johnny, Landon, Tyler, Kenny, Evan, CT, Mark, Derrick, Abram yet he acts like he's god's gift to society. He has said he is above everyone in the challenge AFTER GETTING BOOTED OFF FM2 by Luke. He says he looks like a Greek god, yet no Greek god is that ugly (they also crack 200 lbs), he says he's stronger than collegiate football players he knows (first off he probably knows none, except CJ from Cancun who's a punter). He acts as if Kenny has been screwing things up for him thus far (he jumped over the line as well in the first challenge, and Kenny went up against Tyrie in the elimination). He's the biggest punk. He is a good even above average competitor, but he acts like he's better than anyone else who's graced the challenge, while I can think of 10 I'd rather have off the top of my head. His past two challenges were not great showings (especially when he weaseled his way into being fresh against Kenny who just pushed the log for over 2 hours, and Kenny SMOKED HIM).
I would have loved on Ruins for Darrell to have beat him to a pulp when Wes was acting tough.
I don't understand how anyone can be a fan of his.
Tell us how you really feel...
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259121]I dont understand how anyone can be a fan of his.[/QUOTE]
I'm a fan of his for the simple fact that he's entertaining. Can you comprehend that?
I guess unfounded arrogance has some entertainment value in just how ridiculous he looks. However, on this show alone CT, Johnny, Kenny and Evan are more entertaining, and have their egos only semi-inflated (CT who lifted the 400 pound swan has yet to compare himself to a deity.)
Also, I like how he says Kenny is dumb and he can solve puzzles...in FM1 he took a look at a puzzle and skipped every single one, in the Duel he took a long time to finish the puzzle component and almost lost his lead (Brad didn't do well on this part either thankfully), Ruins no puzzle really came up though the elimination he lost required some logic (he was flabbergasted) and on FM2 he and Mandi couldn't solve the puzzle, while Luke and Ev gained A LOT of ground on them. Point is, he has proven to be pretty bad at the puzzle part of the game so he shouldn't talk.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259121]This guy is a overzelous little punk, who never backs up anything he ever says. He is nowhere near the calibur of competitor as Darell, Johnny, Landon, Tyler, Kenny, Evan, CT, Mark, Derrick,Abrham yet he acts like hes gods gift to society. He has said he is above everyone in the challenge AFTER GETTING BOOTED OF FM2 by Luke. He says he looks like a greek god, yet no greek god is that ugly (also they crack 200 lbs), he says hes stronger than collegiate football players he knows (first off he probably knows none, excpet cj from cancun whos a punter). He acts as if kenny has been screwing things up for him thus far (he jumped over the line as well in the first challenge, and kenny went up against tyrie in the elimination) Hes the biggest punk. he is a good even above average compitor, but he acts like hes better than anyone else whos graced the challenge, while i can think of 10 id rather hae off the top of my head. His past two challenges were not great showings (especially when he weaseled his way into being fresh against kenny who just pushed the log for over 2 hours, and kenny SMOKED HIM).
I would of loved on ruins for darrell to have beat him to a pulp when wes was acting tough.
I dont understand how anyone can be a fan of his.[/QUOTE]
I don't know of anything heinous that he's done to keep anyone from being a fan of his. Does he go around sucker punching people half his size or something?
As far as thinking he's better than everyone else, everyone on this show thinks he/she is better than the other. Kenny, CT, Evan, Laurel just to name a few. They all spew this drivel. Why you're singling Wes out, I don't know.
To each his own, though.
[QUOTE=endia;259136]I don't know of anything heinous that he's done to keep anyone from being a fan of his. Does he go around sucker punching people half his size or something?
As far as thinking he's better than everyone else, everyone on this show thinks he/she is better than the other. Kenny, CT, Evan, Laurel just to name a few. They all spew this drivel. Why you're singling Wes out, I don't know.
To each his own, though.[/QUOTE]
When has Kenny, Evan or Laurel spewed out stuff like this guy though? He was eliminated and he said he felt like everyone was beneath him...no humility? I understand you need confidence, you need to believe you can't be beaten, but to use the hyperbole like comparisons of being a Greek god, doing everything good, being stronger than collegiate athletes, is a little much.
Kenny jokes about looking good, but he doesn't take it too far.
Also judging on his actual performance in these challenges, Wes only did well on the Duel, he did not win one mission on Fresh Meat, and was kept at the end because Kenny and Tina wanted to ensure second place - they knew they would smoke them in the race.
The Duel - he performed well in all aspects including social out manipulating Evan, who is the master of manipulation.
Ruins - he played a horrible game, was the FIRST champion (meaning of the good players he was the worst) to go home, earlier in that episode brushed Cohutta aside saying "Someone's gonna take his money, might as well be me" yet he beat him. But he claimed earlier in that season one on one "NO ONE" could stop him, yet he lost to the smallest man in the game :S
Fresh Meat 2 - he aligned himself with mostly horrible players, made stupid political decisions (throwing in Sarah over Jillian?) SCREWED HIS FRIEND (pretty despicable), then said Danny should apologize (also Danny faired MUCH better in Exile, yet Wes said he should go home because he had no shot...he had a better shot than Wes). He was pitiful in the exile and gave up. He was outsmarted by Kenny at every turn, and in a physical game against Kenny got his *** kicked (btw Kenny pushed the log for a previous 2 hours and Wes was fresh). Then in his exit interview as previously stated said "I feel like I'm in a special club, except all the members are beneath me." After you lose? Really? To Luke?
If Wes actually did supreme in these challenges his talk would be LESS ridiculous, but his track record does not back it up, plain and simple.
At least Evan and Kenny win more and talk less. And CT who is actually physically gifted doesnt brag about it at every turn.
Right, they only made it to the end on FM because of Kenny. Kenny and Tina won those 5 exiles for Wes and Casey. Give me a break...
The fact that he went out first on the Ruins does not prove he was the weakest on the team. The guy was thrown in 3 times out of the first 5 eliminations. Even the champions acknowledged that he was a good competitor, they wanted him out for personal reasons.
And please stop painting it as if he lost to Luke 1 on 1 or something, if I'm not mistaken the exile was Evelyn/Luke vs Wes/Mandi. Failing to mention that Luke had the best female competitor on his team and Wes arguably had the worst makes your argument look extremely biased (if wasn't already obvious). Evelyn/Luke would have beaten Landon/Carly if it wasn't for the 5 minute advantage, and I'm sure you would not be saying Luke beat Landon if that was the case. And again, it was not Wes vs Kenny 1 on 1 in that log challenge (where Kenny would have a significant weight advantage anyway), it was Wes/Mandi & CJ/Sydney vs Kenny/Laurel & Pete/Jillian. Laurel and Jillian were much tougher competitors than Mandi and Sydney, their team overall had a clear weight advantage in that challenge.
You may not like Wes, but to say he's a weak competitor is just ridiculous.
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;259142]Right, they only made it to the end on FM because of Kenny. Kenny and Tina won those 5 exiles for Wes and Casey. Give me a break...
The fact that he went out first on the Ruins does not prove he was the weakest on the team. The guy was thrown in 3 times out of the first 5 eliminations. Even the champions acknowledged that he was a good competitor, they wanted him out for personal reasons.
And please stop painting it as if he lost to Luke 1 on 1 or something, if I'm not mistaken the exile was Evelyn/Luke vs Wes/Mandi. Failing to mention that Luke had the best female competitor on his team and Wes arguably had the worst makes your argument look extremely biased (if wasn't already obvious). Evelyn/Luke would have beaten Landon/Carly if it wasn't for the 5 minute advantage, and I'm sure you would not be saying Luke beat Landon if that was the case. And again, it was not Wes vs Kenny 1 on 1 in that log challenge (where Kenny would have a significant weight advantage anyway), it was Wes/Mandi & CJ/Sydney vs Kenny/Laurel & Pete/Jillian. Laurel and Jillian were much tougher competitors than Mandi and Sydney, their team overall had a clear weight advantage in that challenge.
You may not like Wes, but to say he's a weak competitor is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
He's an above average competitor.
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;259142]Right, they only made it to the end on FM because of Kenny. Kenny and Tina won those 5 exiles for Wes and Casey. Give me a break...
The fact that he went out first on the Ruins does not prove he was the weakest on the team. The guy was thrown in 3 times out of the first 5 eliminations. Even the champions acknowledged that he was a good competitor, they wanted him out for personal reasons.
And please stop painting it as if he lost to Luke 1 on 1 or something, if I'm not mistaken the exile was Evelyn/Luke vs Wes/Mandi. Failing to mention that Luke had the best female competitor on his team and Wes arguably had the worst makes your argument look extremely biased (if wasn't already obvious). Evelyn/Luke would have beaten Landon/Carly if it wasn't for the 5 minute advantage, and I'm sure you would not be saying Luke beat Landon if that was the case. And again, it was not Wes vs Kenny 1 on 1 in that log challenge (where Kenny would have a significant weight advantage anyway), it was Wes/Mandi & CJ/Sydney vs Kenny/Laurel & Pete/Jillian. Laurel and Jillian were much tougher competitors than Mandi and Sydney, their team overall had a clear weight advantage in that challenge.
You may not like Wes, but to say he's a weak competitor is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
Wes and Casey did win those 5 exiles HOWEVER...if Kenny and Tina chose Darrell and Wes instead of Darrell and Derrick, or Derrick and Wes, Wes' final apperance would be in peril. Tina and Kenny did say they considered him to be the guaranteed shot at ensuring second. I never discounted his 5 exile wins.
If he was half as good as he said he was the champs would have made Syrus go in all the time, clearly he wasn't an asset worth protecting. He lost to Cohutta AFTER claiming Cohutta didn't have a shot. He also didn't just lose, he was housed.
Mandi was not the worst female (Katelynn or Sandy imo) competitor, and in the Fresh Meat format the guy historically means more to the pairing than the female, i.e alum guys winning both times. Ev lost in FM1 when she had one of the worst guys on her team. If Wes could beat Danny and Ev with Casey, why could he not theoretically beat Luke and Ev with Mandi (an upgrade), because Luke is a much better competitor than Danny, and Wes sucks at puzzles, and when the exile is longer he couldn't hack it.
Also, what about him saying everyone on the show is beneath him after LOSING. Thank god he's not a sore loser lol, but man too far...you lost dude, shut up!
For the logs CJ is about 180, same as Wes, and I assume same as Pete...but Wes is "soooooo good at everything" he should win and HE WAS FRESH. Kenny and Pete were spent after beating Landon and Ryan. You discount the fresh part, it wasn't close they were smoked.
Plus weight advantage??? Does that matter to the Greek god of Wes? He scoffed at the notion, stating he was stronger than collegiate football players.
I never said he was a WEAK competitor. In fact in one post I said he is above average, he is a champion after all, and beat the most stacked field ever. He is a great competitor, but I'm not sure he cracks the top 10, which is fine. If he did not act like he was a god, and everyone else was significant.
Great competitor but man that mouth is unbearable. It's not even funny talk, it's just moronic.
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;259142]Right, they only made it to the end on FM because of Kenny. Kenny and Tina won those 5 exiles for Wes and Casey. Give me a break...
The fact that he went out first on the Ruins does not prove he was the weakest on the team. The guy was thrown in 3 times out of the first 5 eliminations. Even the champions acknowledged that he was a good competitor, they wanted him out for personal reasons.
And please stop painting it as if he lost to Luke 1 on 1 or something, if I'm not mistaken the exile was Evelyn/Luke vs Wes/Mandi. Failing to mention that Luke had the best female competitor on his team and Wes arguably had the worst makes your argument look extremely biased (if wasn't already obvious). Evelyn/Luke would have beaten Landon/Carly if it wasn't for the 5 minute advantage, and I'm sure you would not be saying Luke beat Landon if that was the case. And again, it was not Wes vs Kenny 1 on 1 in that log challenge (where Kenny would have a significant weight advantage anyway), it was Wes/Mandi & CJ/Sydney vs Kenny/Laurel & Pete/Jillian. Laurel and Jillian were much tougher competitors than Mandi and Sydney, their team overall had a clear weight advantage in that challenge.
You may not like Wes, but to say he's a weak competitor is just ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
LOL personal reasons? No matter where I stood with someone, I would definitely want them out if they were an arrogant tyrant that planned to throw the challenge every single time until they had their way.
Also, let's remember that during that exile between Evelyn/Luke and Mandi/Wes, Mandi was the one making great progress having to yell at Wes to keep up.
[QUOTE=Aramm;259152]LOL personal reasons? No matter where I stood with someone, I would definitely want them out if they were an arrogant tyrant that planned to throw the challenge every single time until they had their way.
Also, let's remember that during that exile between Evelyn/Luke and Mandi/Wes, Mandi was the one making great progress having to yell at Wes to keep up.[/QUOTE]
But Wes was CARRYING almost all the weight, so obviously she was going to be faster ;)
[QUOTE=lulax3;259154]But Wes was CARRYING almost all the weight, so obviously she was going to be faster ;)[/QUOTE]
As he should be expected to, he is a man after all, didn't seem to bother Pete in his exiles, or Landon who at one point carried all of his team's weight and did the puzzles.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259148]wes and casey did win those 5 exiles HOWEVER... if kenny and tina chose darrell and wes instead of darrell and derrick, or derrick and wes, wes's final apperance would be in perril. tina and kenny did say they considered him to be the guarenteed shot at ensuring second. i never discounted his 5 exile wins.[/QUOTE] That means nothing, it was Wes and Casey's 5 exile wins that put themselves in position to even be an option to take to the Finals. In your original post you basically chalked up their success in that challenge to Kenny and Tina bringing them to the Finals.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259148]if he was half as good as he said he was the champs would of made syrus go in all the time, clearly he wasnt a asset worth protecting. he lost to cohutta AFTER claiming cohutta didnt have a shot. he also didnt just lose he was housed.[/QUOTE]No they wouldn't have. They targeted Wes for personal reasons, forcing him to attempt to throw challenges. Johanna and Evan both admitted he would be an asset to them if he was on their side.
Veronica said on the reunion that in that particular elimination, it was important to get support from your team. And both the champions and challengers were giving directions to Cohutta while Wes was basically on his own.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259148] mandi was not the worse female (kateyln or sandy imo) competitor, and in the fresh meat format the guy historically means more to the pairing than the female. i.e alum guys winning both times. ev lost in fm1 when she had one of the worst guys on her team. If wes could beat danny and ev with casey, why could he not theoretically beat luke and ev with mandi (a upgrade), because luke is a much better competitor than danny, and wes sucks at puzzles, and when the exile is longer he couldnt hack it.[/QUOTE] According to Ev on the reunion, she had to carry more weight in exiles than Luke. On the other hand, Mandi carried very little weight, with Wes carrying all of the weight for some of the race. If this is true, then clearly it was not between Wes vs Luke.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259148]also what about him saying everyone on the show is beneth him after LOSING. thank god hes not a sore loser lol, but man too far.... YOU LOST DUDE SHUT UP[/QUOTE] Never said he was not cocky. That has nothing to do with how good of a competitor he is.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259148]for the logs cj is about 180, same as wes, and i assume same as pete.... BUT Wes is " soooooo good at everything" he should win and HE WAS FRESH kenny and pete were spent after beating landon and ryan. you discount the fresh part, it wasnt close they were smoked.[/QUOTE] A weight advantage is a weight advantage. It takes a lot more energy for a lighter team to push against a heavier team than the other way around. And again, you are refusing to mention the fact that Pete and Kenny had much stronger female partners and they were also fresh.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259148]plus weight advantage??? does that matter to the greek god of wes? he scoffed at the notion, stating he was stronger than collegiate football players.[/QUOTE] So now we are supposed to hold Wes to greek god standards because he compared himself to one?
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259148]I never said he was a WEAK competitor. in fact in one post i said he is above average, he is a champion afterall, and beat the most stacked field ever. he is a great competior, but im not sure he cracks the top 10, which is fine.....IF HE DID NOT ACT LIKE HE WAS A GOD, and EVERYONE ELSE IS INSIGNIFICANT.
Great competitor but man that mouth is unbearable. its not even funny talk, its just moronic.[/QUOTE]I think you are taking his cocky comments way too seriously. I think he does that for TV to be completely honest. Outside of that, I agree that he isn't top 10, but I think it is an exaggeration to say he's no where near the caliber of the list of competitors you mentioned earlier.
[QUOTE=Blue123;259108]If that's the same one that wrote it then I guess it's real cause some of the cast is friends with it, lol his relationship status is "it's complicated with Wes Bergmann" :p he has 2 fb pages for some reason.[/QUOTE]
One of his fb pages are fake as he's mentioned on his wall for people to report the fake one.
I would say Wes is a top dog given his great performances in past challenges. But he's not on the same level as CT, Evan and Kenny.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;259132]I don't know, something tells me that Wes is truly like this as much as Beth was like her persona during her tenure.[/QUOTE]
Beth had you fooled apparently.
[QUOTE=V1man;259184]Beth had you fooled apparently.[/QUOTE]
No I'm saying I have a weird feeling that Wes acts like this for the camera and isn't this big of a ***** in real life.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;259198]No I'm saying I have a weird feeling that Wes acts like this for the camera and isn't this big of a ***** in real life.[/QUOTE]
I would venture to say that most of them are this way. They feel they have to put on a show for the cameras to make it entertaining to watch for us. Plus everything is exaggerated by not having any other outlets, throw in a lot of alcohol and you're going to get a bunch of crazy. lol
Quite honestly, what Wes does and says seems rather tame to me compared to some of the other stuff that goes on in the house.
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;259156]That means nothing, it was Wes and Casey's 5 exile wins that put themselves in position to even be an option to take to the Finals. In your original post you basically chalked up their success in that challenge to Kenny and Tina bringing them to the Finals.
No they wouldn't have. They targeted Wes for personal reasons, forcing him to attempt to throw challenges. Johanna and Evan both admitted he would be an asset to them if he was on their side.
Veronica said on the reunion that in that particular elimination, it was important to get support from your team. And both the champions and challengers were giving directions to Cohutta while Wes was basically on his own.
According to Ev on the reunion, she had to carry more weight in exiles than Luke. On the other hand, Mandi carried very little weight, with Wes carrying all of the weight for some of the race. If this is true, then clearly it was not between Wes vs Luke.
Never said he was not cocky. That has nothing to do with how good of a competitor he is.
A weight advantage is a weight advantage. It takes a lot more energy for a lighter team to push against a heavier team than the other way around. And again, you are refusing to mention the fact that Pete and Kenny had much stronger female partners and they were also fresh.
So now we are supposed to hold Wes to greek god standards because he compared himself to one?
I think you are taking his cocky comments way too seriously. I think he does that for TV to be completely honest. Outside of that, I agree that he isn't top 10, but I think it is an exaggeration to say he's no where near the caliber of the list of competitors you mentioned earlier.[/QUOTE]
My point about FM1 was that at the end of the game he wasn't considered on a strong team by his peers, in fact the only reason he avoided eliminations were because the other teams wanted two strong teams (like when Derrick picked Theo to go against Darrell, and Tina picked Darrell and Derrick) as opposed to him winning any missions and being safe. In fact, he DQed on multiple occasions (he's doing that on this challenge too with a better partner lol). I hate going hypothetical,but if he went against darrell in the last exile, it likely would have been game over...but that doesn't really matter. My point is his success on this challenge, AT THE END, was more of him being the worse team, than his smashing success.
How was he forced to throw challenges? He was being a baby by doing that, he could [strike]of[/strike] have sucked it up and played the game straight up, but he had to be a coward about it, also way to throw a challenge, at least get some results if [strike]your[/strike] you're gonna go that route. And of course he would [strike]of[/strike] have been an asset, he is a good competitor, but his giant ego makes him think he's the top dog (when on that team I think him and Ibis were the least experienced players in terms of challenges done).
About the directions thing: it's an advantage, but if Wes is so good at everything, why would that matter? Also I would think Cohutta had him regardless, he didn't edge him out, he smoked him.
About the exile and weight: in FM1 Wes carried I think actually all of Casey's weight, and managed. Mandi carried some. Mandi actually was competent. It was the puzzle which he couldn't solve. But also the man was gassed at like the half way point. It was not that close, he looked done midway through, so even if Luke had some more weight I'm sure the result wouldn't change. He also gave up like he tends to do.
Kenny and Pete weren't fresh, you discount the fact that they killed themselves beating Landon and Ryan. Their weight advantage existed...but they SMOKED Wes and CJ, considering how tired they were, that's embarrasing imo. [strike]gillian[/strike] Jillian is likely same weight if maybe less then Mandi. BUT here's the thing, Wes acts like he's better than Kenny, when Kenny did EVERYTHING better in that one challenge, he actually won challenges, won a exile (not quitting as well), tore apart his alliance, physically beat Wes and didn't sell out his friends. (Something else I found funny, I like how he said Landon doesn't traditionally have an alliance, I'm gonna help him make moves to get farther in this game.....um dude, at that point Landon and you did the same previous amount of challenges and the dude did better than you in his first 3 than your first 3).
His cockiness does not directly factor, but if a guy talks himself up like so, then more often than not, never backs it up he looks like a clown. How come the three best competitors (Darrell, Landon and Alton) NEVER talked themselves up, almost at all. And all they did was kick *** and win. He's good, but you'd take him more seriously if he didn't open his big mouth all the time. He looked like a idiot last episode. He told CT "I intimidate you, don't I?" and then CT showed just how much of a clown he is, and he basically pouted about it. Then he said it was all important to beat CT, true, except he smoked you at every fact of the mission and made you look like a schlub.
I'd like Wes a ton more if he acted like Landon instead of the way he does, he cleary overcompensates. And if you talk this talk, at least win as much as the other guys. If you look at it, Wes has only won a total of 6 missions over his 4 challenges (plus the 3 he's played so far on Rivals). Kenny and Evan have like over 30, clearly his "dominance" doesn't really show.
PS: I think [strike]your[/strike] you're assuming I say he couldn't compete with those guys, he can obviously, he won the Duel (which in retrospect is the most stacked field in the challenge, 8 eventual champions and CT), but they are not [strike]beneth[/strike] beneath him in anyway (like he said on FM2) and in fact their track records are better than his.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259225]My point about FM1 was that at the end of the game he wasnt considered on a strong team by his peers, in fact the only reason he avoided eliminations were because the other teams wanted two strong teams (like when derrick picked theo to go against darrell, and tina picked darrell and derrick) as opposed to him winning any missions and being safe. in fact he dqed on multiple occasions (hes doing that on this challenge too with a better partner lol)i hate going hypothetical,but if he went against darrell in the last exile, it likely would have been game over...but that doesnt really matter. point is his success on this challenge, AT THE END, was more of him being the worse team, than his smashing success.[/QUOTE] Again, Wes was not on his own. I don't know why you keep saying "he wasn't a strong team." as if he was his own team. They dq'ed/lost a lot of missions because Casey quit, or did not do well. And again, if they were that weak of a team they would have been gone a lot sooner.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259225]How was he forced to throw challenges? he was being a baby by doing that, he could of sucked it up and played the game straight up, but he had to be a coward about it, also way to throw a challenge, at least get some results if your gonna go that route. and of course he would of been a asset he is a good competitor, but his giant ego makes him think hes the top dog (when on that team I think him and ibis were the least experienced players in terms of challenges done)[/QUOTE] He was forced to throw challenges because if the champions won they would keep throwing him in the Ruins. Even if he played the game straight up he would have been thrown in. In fact, he did play the game straight up after the first mission and he still went in 2 more times.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259225]about the directions thing, its an advantage, but wes is soooo good at everything, why would that matter. also i would think cohutta had him regardless, he didnt edge him outhe smoked him.[/QUOTE] Again, you are holding him up to higher standards than anyone else because he's cocky. He got "smoked" in an untying a knot challenge with 20+ people helping out his opponent. Damn near anyone would lose to Cohutta in that situation.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259225]about the exile and weight. in fm1 wes carried i think actually all of casesys weight, and managed. mandi carried some. mandi actually was competent. it was the puzzle which he couldnt solve. but also the man was gassed at like the half way point. it was not that close, he looked done midway through, so even if luke had some more weight im sure the result wouldnt change. also he gave up like he tends to do.[/QUOTE]You cannot say it was between Wes & Luke when Luke had the luxury of having to carry less weight than his female partner while Wes carried all of his teams weight at one point.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259225]kenny and pete werent fresh, u discount the fact that they killed themselves beating landon and ryan. their weight advantage existed...but they SMOKED wes and cj, considering how tired they were, thats embarrasing imo. gillian is likely same weight if maybe less? then mandi. BUT heres the thing, wes acts like hes better than kenny, when kenny did EVERYTHING BETTER in that one challenge, he actually won challenges, won a exile (not quitting as well), tore apart his alliance, physically beat wesand not selling out his friends. (also something else i found funny, i like how he said landon doesnt traditionally have alliance, im gonna help him make moves to get farther in this game.....um dude, at that point landon and you did the same previous amount of challenges and the dude did BETTER THAN YOU in his first 3 than your first 3)[/QUOTE] That challenge came down to weight. When you are outweighed it takes a lot more energy than it does for a team with a weight advantage.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259225]his cockiness does not directly factor, but if a guy talks himself up like so, then more often than not, never backs it up he looks like a clown. how come the three best competitors darrell, landon and alton NEVER talked themselves up, almost at all. and all they did was kick *** and win. hes good, but you'd take him more seriously if he didnt open his big mouth all the time. he looked like a idiot last episode. to ct " i intimidate you dont i?" then ct showed just how much of a clown he is, and he basically pouted about it. then he said it was all important to beat ct, true, except he smoked you at every fact of the mission and made you look like a schlub.[/QUOTE]Well you take his cockiness a lot more personal than I do. Cockiness does not factor in to how I rank a competitor.
He didn't really look like a "schlub" in that challenge. He actually grabbed on to the zip line, which very few people were able to do on that challenge.
Also, I disagree with Darrell being in the top 3.
[QUOTE=RWRRULES;259225]id like wes a ton more if he acted like landon instead of the way he does, he cleary overcompensates. and if you talk this talk, at least win as much as the other guys. also if you look at it wes has only won a total of 6 missions over his 4 challenges (plus the 3 hes played so far on rivals) kenny and evan have like over 30, clearly his "dominance" doesnt really show
p.s: I think your assuming i say he couldnt compete with those guys, he can obviously he won the duel (which in retrospect is the most stacked field in the challenge, 8 eventual champions and ct), but they are not beneth him in anyway (like he said on fm2) and in fact their track records are better than hil.[/QUOTE] Winning challenges a lot of the time comes down to alliances/teams, and luck. There are plenty of people with better track records than CT, but that doesn't stop him from being a better competitor than almost everyone.
CT could also be Rivals with Johnny, Kenny, and Davis. He got into an altercation with Kenny on Inferno 3 after Kenny gave him a bloody nose, and he completely destroyed/embarrassed Johnny on Cutthroat, plus they argued on the Gauntlet 3.
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You cannot say it was between Wes & Luke when Luke had the luxury of having to carry less weight than his female partner while Wes carried all of his teams weight at one point.
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Just FYI Luke did not carry less weight in that Exile. Evelyn accidently picked up the heavier bag for the second half of their first exile against Paula and Jeff. Then in their Exile against Landon and Carley, one of Luke's buckets broke and Evelyn had to carry more weight so he wouldn't be unbalanced. They never said anything about Luke carrying the lighter bag for this particular exile.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;259243]Just FYI Luke did not carry less weight in that Exile. Evelyn accidently picked up the heavier bag for the second half of their first exile against Paula and Jeff. Then in their Exile against Landon and Carley, one of Luke's buckets broke and Evelyn had to carry more weight so he wouldn't be unbalanced. They never said anything about Luke carrying the lighter bag for this particular exile.[/QUOTE]
Evelyn said she had to carry more weight in exiles than Luke on the reunion.
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