[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;232014]Remember on Gauntlet 2 on the last female Gauntlet day where Kina was "forced" to pick between sending Ibis or Jillian to the Gauntlet?
I've always wondered why she couldn't just send in Susie to the Gauntlet with her. She was the only girl left on the team that wasn't from Kina's original Road Rules season and the whole team was against her and Cara throughout the challenge.
I just find it funny how Susie wasn't even considered an option to send in the Gauntlet when she looked like the obvious choice.[/QUOTE]
I think, like CRG said, it was mostly because Kina realized that Susie was a pretty good competitor, and once Cara left she and Susie had no issue with one another.
I also think a lot it stemmed from the fact that Jillian essentially started the whole "Cara and Susie are in an alliance" mess and Kina didn't really trust her all that much.
And yeah Jillian is from Kina's original season, but not really. They were never on the show together.
[QUOTE=mph922;232041]I think, like CRG said, it was mostly because Kina realized that Susie was a pretty good competitor, and once Cara left she and Susie had no issue with one another.
I also think a lot it stemmed from the fact that Jillian essentially started the whole "Cara and Susie are in an alliance" mess and Kina didn't really trust her all that much.
And yeah Jillian is from Kina's original season, but not really. They were never on the show together.[/QUOTE]
I was going to add that. Technically Kina and Jillian were on the same season, but they didn't have anything to do with one another. Susie wasn't a target once Cara left.
Hopefully this thread isn't a repeat but I was wondering what people's thoughts were on the best competitors in real world/road rules/fresh meat history. I'd rank the following players something like this
[B]Males[/B]
1) Landon Lueck
2)CT
3)Mark Long
4)Alton Williams
5) Evan Starkman
6)Abram Boise
7)Darrell Taylor
8)Derrick Kosinski
9)Theo Vonkurnatowski
10)Mike Mizanin
11)Wes Bergmann
12)Timmy Beggy
13)Brad Fiorenza
14)Dan Setzler
15)Tyler Duckworth
16)Frank Roeseller
17)MJ Garrett
18)Kenny Santucci
19)Derek McCray
20)Johnny Devenanzio
[B]Females[/B]
1)Evelyn Smith
2)Rachel Robinson
3)Jodi Weatherton
4)Laurel Stucky
5)Kelly Anne Judd
6)Tori Fiorenza
7-20 don't pay attention as much to the girls so I'm not going to guess
The main criteria is looking at the challenger's abilities to contribute to team missions as well as surviving elimination rounds. The other stuff(social game, win history, desire to win, etc.) could also be factored in but not as important as the other two
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;232062]Why is Tyler on the list? He was terrible in every Challenge he's been on except Cutthroat. No way he should be ahead of Kenny, MJ, Frank, or Johnny.[/QUOTE]
He is there because that is someone's opinion. Obvious your opinion is not the only one. Create your own list. Make you own case if you wish.
1) Landon Lueck
2) Alton Williams
3) Mark Long
4) Chris Tamburello
5) Darrell Taylor
6) Derrick Kosinski
7) Abram Boise
8) Timmy Beggy
9) Evan Starkman
10) Wes Bergmann
11) Brad Fiorenza
12) Theo Vonkurnatowski
13) Mike Mizanin
14) Kenny Santucci
15) MJ Garrett
16) Frank Roeseller
17) Dan Setzler
18) Johnny Devenanzio
19) Syrus Yarbrough
20) Eric Nies
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;232064]1) Landon Lueck
2) Alton Williams
3) Mark Long
4) Chris Tamburello
5) Darrell Taylor
6) Derrick Kosinski
7) Abram Boise
8) Timmy Beggy
9) Evan Starkman
10) Wes Bergmann
11) Brad Fiorenza
12) Theo Vonkurnatowski
13) Mike Mizanin
14) Kenny Santucci
15) MJ Garrett
16) Frank Roeseller
17) Dan Setzler
18) Johnny Devenanzio
19) Syrus Yarbrough
20) Eric Nies[/QUOTE]
I don't care what others say, this may be the BEST list I've seen on this site. ^^^^
[QUOTE=Youssarian;232067]Oh lord, here we go with the lists again...[/QUOTE]
Oh you bet !! Wait until you see my list... it's going to be the best ever !!!!
Sarcasm meter : 1000000000000000000000
[QUOTE=4realWORLD;232068]Man... I miss Dan Renzi so much. Why he didn't come back after Inferno 2?[/QUOTE]
I thought he was a pretty good addition to Inferno 2. I'm guessing he didn't come back because he was getting pretty old.
People continue to underrate Timmy, Dan(RR5), and Theo V as competitors.....not to mention Mark(Landon over Mark?). You guys should order the older challenges first, before you make your lists.
Theo didn't seem to have a lot of fire in him for the Challenges, but I think Timmy was stronger than most--he just wasn't a bleach blonde pretty boy so he didn't get as much TV time IMO.
[QUOTE=Superboy;232073]People continue to underrate Timmy, Dan(RR5), and Theo V as competitors.....not to mention Mark(Landon over Mark?). You guys should order the older challenges first, before you make your lists.[/QUOTE]
Or you could just accept the fact that everyone has an opinion that may or may not be similar to yours.
[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;232074]Theo didn't seem to have a lot of fire in him for the Challenges, but I think Timmy was stronger than most--he just wasn't a bleach blonde pretty boy so he didn't get as much TV time IMO.[/QUOTE]
Theo outperformed the Miz on all the challenges they've been on together, and actually outperformed Alton overall on the Gauntlet 1 (6 to 3 in the missions). Not to mention he made it to the final of the BOTS 2, which was one of the hardest challenges to made it to the end of because there was no scoreboard(Miz and Abram got out early and they were better competitors than most of the guys there). I also believe Timmy was secretly better than Landon and Alton, and definately the Miz. Beth called him the "secret weapon" on the Gauntlet 2, because people didn't know how strong he really was. The Miz even feared to go against Timmy, he beat Derrick and basically beat Abram, two great competitors.
[QUOTE=molds13;232076]Or you could just accept the fact that everyone has an opinion that may or may not be similar to yours.[/QUOTE]
If you analyze the challenges, its clear who is better, but some competitors are neck and neck, and that is where opinion comes into play. Its not an opinion to say Abram is a better competitor than Brad, because he's proven it twice.
[QUOTE=Superboy;232077]Its not an opinion to say Abram is a better competitor than Brad, because he's proven it twice.[/QUOTE]
I'm preeeeetty sure thats an opinion.
[QUOTE=cystic;232081]I'm preeeeetty sure thats an opinion.[/QUOTE]
How so? He beat him twice head to head. You must go by what the competitors have shown/done.
[QUOTE=Superboy;232082]How so? He beat him twice head to head. You must go by what the competitors have shown/done.[/QUOTE]
One could argue if they so desired that the best competitors are not the ones who win the most but who get their name called the least. It is just a matter of opinion either way.
I have never thought that Landon was so great that he was feared so much as he was just well-liked so he didn't have to play the game as hard, but that is just my humble opinion.
[QUOTE=Superboy;232082]How so? He beat him twice head to head. You must go by what the competitors have shown/done.[/QUOTE]
"Better" is such a vague and subjective word. It is an opinion.
[QUOTE=Superboy;232085]Okay, so 'higher ranked' then.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but the only thing is people have different ways of judging. Some people made it to the end and won quite a few times just because of their social game. So should the people who are just great physical players be ranked higher than the more social. They are both very important aspects of of the challenges. If you're constantly doing good in the missions but never make it to the end or in someway always get screwed(i.e Brad) then are you really a good overall competitor?
I actually look at who wins the most life shields win ever their on a team. Who leads the team by example and not intimidation. CT, Alton, Mike, Landon, Mark, Darrell come to my mind right away.
[QUOTE]I agree, but the only thing is people have different ways of judging. Some people made it to the end and won quite a few times just because of their social game. So should the people who are just great physical players be ranked higher than the more social. They are both very important aspects of of the challenges. If you're constantly doing good in the missions but never make it to the end or in someway always get screwed(i.e Brad) then are you really a good overall competitor? [/QUOTE]
The social aspect of the game is important, but it has NOTHING to do with your ability in the missions and elimination rounds. Those are the things to look at, also what the competitor as shown in physical prowess, mental strength, and skill. And if you perform well, but get screwed over, you're still a good competitor regardless, that is common sense, which i see some people lack here(no offense).
[QUOTE]I actually look at [B]who wins the most life shields[/B] win ever their on a team. Who leads the team by example and not intimidation. CT, Alton, Mike, Landon, Mark, Darrell come to my mind right away.[/QUOTE]
I learned from that mistake. Just because you win the most life shields, doesn't mean you performed the best overall. For example, on the Gauntlet 1, Alton won 4 life shields, while Theo V won 2, but Theo still out performed him overall 6 to 3 in the missions.
[QUOTE=Superboy;232095]
I learned from that mistake. Just because you win the most life shields, doesn't mean you performed the best overall. For example, on the Gauntlet 1, Alton won 4 life shields, while Theo V won 2, but Theo still out performed him overall 6 to 3 in the missions.[/QUOTE]We get it. Theo outperformed Alton on some of the missions on Gauntlet 1, you don't need to bring it up every chance you get. Theo also never dominated throughout an entire challenge like Alton did on Gauntlet 2.
We all have our own opinions. I happen to think Dunbar, LT, and Danny (Austin) are the greatest male competitors to appear on these challenges, but you don't see me continuously preaching it.
I'm sorry to disappoint you all, but according to my tedious calculations, it is now [u][b]FACT[/u][/b] that Nick Brown is indeed the best challenge competitor in the history of the Challenges.
I'm so happy the so-and-so-is-better-than-so-and-so debate is happening again. :sarcasm:
Everyone has their own opinions, and just because you state them over and over and over again does not mean that anyone else is suddenly going to change their minds and agree with you. No matter how many times you say it, it's still not fact, it's still just an opinion.
Edit: Youss that wasn't directed at you, you posted while I was writing ;)
[QUOTE=JEK & Wes;232097]We get it. Theo outperformed Alton on some of the missions on Gauntlet 1, you don't need to bring it up every chance you get. Theo also never dominated throughout an entire challenge like Alton did on Gauntlet 2.[/QUOTE]
LOL! Alton didn't dominate the G2, he just beat a couple of scrubs(Danny, Jeremy, and Adam). And look at his performance on the I3.....so don't give me that.
[QUOTE=Lamb Chop!!!;232099]We all have our own opinions. I happen to think Dunbar, LT, and Danny (Austin) are the greatest male competitors to appear on these challenges, but you don't see me continuously preaching it.[/QUOTE]
But your opinion is illogical, because those guys, and you know this, are bottom competitors.
[QUOTE=Superboy;232110]LOL! Alton didn't dominate the G2, he just beat a couple of scrubs(Danny, Jeremy, and Adam). And look at his performance on the I3.....so don't give me that.[/QUOTE]LOL @ you downplaying it. It's more like, He DESTROYED 3 scrubs, excelled in most missions, and lead his team to victory.
I don't know why you're bringing up Inferno 3 like it's a bad thing. He did bad in a few missions and all of a sudden everyone thinks he got exposed or something. He still won a life shield, an Inferno, and made it to the Finals.
Both Johnny and Kenny only did one challenge with Alton (Inferno 3) and they both agreed that he's an amazing competitor on one of Derricks podcast.
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