[QUOTE=Youssarian;229628]...Tyler was on 2 challenges before, and was the 2nd one out on both of them [I'm pretty sure].[/QUOTE]
Well neither of them have [strike]one[/strike] won and I think that after 8 Brad needed this win, and so did Tyler.
[QUOTE=BillyBear231;229625]I think Jenn is a good competitor, because she never gives up, she may not be the best athlete, but she does have what it takes to be on these shows. If Camilla wasn't the best girl on the Red team than who was, because they all kinda sucked[/QUOTE]
Camila did good at missions and eliminations, but Tori and Paula have had more experience at these and have proven themselves in past games despite their mediocre and even poor performances on this challenge. So, this is Camila's first challenge... she still has catching up to do... I like her though.
[QUOTE]I said Tyler is the best on THIS show and i stand by that i feel as if he really did prove it because he took down Johnny, by taking down CT, and if he isn't than who is, because he is definitely the best male out of the three that won the show.[/QUOTE]
Tyler was definitely a breakout athlete on this show and proved it, but just like Camila, he has to come on other challenges and be consistently good to be considered better than Abram and Derrick. I know he beat Derrick, but I think Derrick could have beaten him at another elimination...not taking away from Tyler's strength here, it's just, Derrick is a beast and has been (for the most part) consistently good. My point is, we have to see some consistency to truly say who's the "best" competitor and whatever IMO. Tyler was right up there on this show, no lie, but I couldn't say best with a clear conscience.
[QUOTE=BillyBear231;229632]Well neither of them have [strike]one[/strike] won and I think that after 8 Brad needed this win, and so did Tyler.[/QUOTE]
Well to be fair, if you were really going by challenge losses, then Paula and Jenn would probably "need it" (according to your definition) more than Tori.
As I say, it's done, over with, Like it or not, we can't change it. :) (and i didn't like Red either.) ;)
[QUOTE]Camila did good at missions and eliminations, but Tori and Paula have had more experience at these and have proven themselves in past games despite their mediocre and even poor performances on this challenge. So, this is Camila's first challenge... she still has catching up to do... I like her though.[/QUOTE]
First of all Paula suckd she has never won a challenge and there is a reason for that. Tori has won Cutthroat and the Gauntlet III so i agree that she is a good player, but this season she didn't show her full potential like Brad they were the highest rulers or whatever on the Red team and they sat back and told everyone what to do.
[QUOTE]Tyler was definitely a breakout athlete on this show and proved it, but just like Camila, he has to come on other challenges and be consistently good to be considered better than Abram and Derrick. I know he beat Derrick, but I think Derrick could have beaten him at another elimination...not taking away from Tyler's strength here, it's just, Derrick is a beast and has been (for the most part) consistently good. My point is, we have to see some consistency to truly say who's the "best" competitor and whatever IMO. Tyler was right up there on this show, no lie, but I couldn't say best with a clear conscience[/QUOTE]
I actually completely agree with you on the Derrick thing, but with Abram even though he was another beast on the show, he couldn't finish the final challenge which proves Tyler to better on this show than Abram and since he beat out Derrick on this show he was placed higher than him, but Derrick was #2 i believe so i completely respect him as a player on this show and he is one of my favorites.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;229637]Well to be fair, if you were really going by challenge losses, then Paula and Jenn would probably "need it" (according to your definition) more than Jenn.
As I say, it's done, over with, Like it or not, we can't change it. :) (and i didn't like Red either.) ;)[/QUOTE]
Why i don't think Paula deserves it as much as Jenn is because paula doesn't seem to take the show as seriously as Jenn does. Jenn usually keeps her eyes on the prize, while Paula isn't as focused and always gets screwed over in the end.
And i really didn't like Red. LOL.
[QUOTE=BillyBear231;229631]Just because Evelyn says so doesn't mean its [strike]rite[/strike] right. I think Tori is not that great of a competitor.[/QUOTE]
Um well, considering Ev is definitely one of the top five female competitors on the show, and arguably number one, and she's done a challenge with Tori, I'd say yeah, Ev's opinion is probably dead on.
[QUOTE=BillyBear231;229639]First of all Paula suckd she has never won a challenge and there is a reason for that. Tori has won Cutthroat and the Gauntlet III so i agree that she is a good player, but this season she didn't show her full potential like Brad they were the highest rulers or whatever on the Red team and they sat back and told everyone what to do.
I actually completely agree with you on the Derrick thing, but with Abram even though he was another beast on the show, he couldn't finish the final challenge which proves Tyler to better on this show than Abram and since he beat out Derrick on this show he was placed higher than him, but Derrick was #2 i believe so i completely respect him as a player on this show and he is one of my favorites.[/QUOTE]
Well, Paula sucking never had to do with her athletic skills, it's always her social and mental lack of skills. She's not a horrible competitor, although she did do badly on that tightrope mission. Paula has been a good competitor and I believe has beaten almost undefeated Aneesa who Tori couldn't beat. So, you can look at it both ways I guess. This challenge definitely did not show Paula to be a good athlete, I agree, but she's never been bad either IMO.
I don't know if you wanna blame Abram for that heatstroke. I personally do not think it takes away from his strength as a competitor, as it is beyond his control, but if you did blame him for that, then I see how you could have gotten Tyler over him FOR THIS CHALLENGE.
[QUOTE=BillyBear231;229640]Why i don't think Paula deserves it as much as Jenn is because paula doesn't seem to take the show as seriously as Jenn does. Jenn usually keeps her eyes on the prize, while Paula isn't as focused and always gets screwed over in the end.
And i really didn't like Red. LOL.[/QUOTE]
LOL.
But nah, I think Paula is focused it's just that she sees her friends and people she's close to winning by being social and alliances, and she wants to win, so she gets involved in those and get screwed over, while Jenn (I don't think) was ever really into alliances until FM2 and she's acts smarter than Paula when it comes to alliances. Both are committed I think, both are focused, it's just Paula cannot play that aspect of the game. I think her best bet is to train herself, and come back as an athletic beast and win that way.
[QUOTE]Both are committed I think, both are focused, it's just Paula cannot play that aspect of the game. I think her best bet is to train herself, and come back as an athletic beast and win that way.[/QUOTE]
LOL. lets just leave it at that
[QUOTE=cryssy19;229643]LOL.
But nah, I think Paula is focused it's just that she sees her friends and people she's close to winning by being social and alliances, and she wants to win, so she gets involved in those and get screwed over, while Jenn (I don't think) was ever really into alliances until FM2 and she's acts smarter than Paula when it comes to alliances. Both are committed I think, both are focused, it's just Paula cannot play that aspect of the game. I think her best bet is to train herself, and come back as an athletic beast and win that way.[/QUOTE]
I think the difference between Jenn and Paula is that Paula's mentally weak, and Jenn's not.
I just listened to Katie's podcast with Derrick and she made a really good point that I hadn't thought of. On The Inferno Abe was constantly helping Veronica and the rest of his team throw missions to send Katie home, but when Sarah and Laurel tried to do that to someone he liked it was totally unacceptable. Why is hilarious when he does is, but when someone else does it he gets ******?
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;229647]I just listened to Katie's podcast with Derrick and she made a really good point that I hadn't thought of. On The Inferno Abe was constantly helping Veronica and the rest of his team throw missions to send Katie home, but when Sarah and Laurel tried to do that to someone he liked it was totally unacceptable. Why is hilarious when he does is, but when someone else does it he gets ***********]
All comes back to my point about males and females. Apparently, because Laurel and Sarah were trying to do it, they're the biggest b****** but when Abe did it, everyone "could understand where he came from" and is still in love with him.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;229641]Um well, considering Ev is definitely one of the top five female competitors on the show, and arguably number one, and she's done a challenge with Tori, I'd say yeah, Ev's opinion is probably dead on.[/QUOTE]
That was then im saying that this season she sucked and didn't do anyhting
I love when Jenn fights with someone. She yells nonsense and moves her arms and shoulders in rapid motions. LOL. That's really random, but I think that's my favorite thing about Jenn. "Horse faced Tori Spelling reject!"
[QUOTE=BillyBear231;229650]That was then im saying that this season she sucked and didn't do anyhting[/QUOTE]
Well she beat Tina/Therea. She also played one **** of a strategic game, one that could rival Veronica's. Not to mention she won...
[QUOTE=BillyBear231;229650]That was then im saying that this season she sucked and didn't do anyhting[/QUOTE]
It seems to me that what you really mean is that Tori didn't do anything you valued or enjoyed watching. That is a fair assessment as far as opinions go, but beyond that, her game play took her to the end and she has a nice fat check from BMP for the win. To me, that is not "sucking" (what a horrible word) and is certainly far more than nothing.
This is really random, and nosey but does anybody(most likely molds) have the age to every cast member that was on Cut Throat? Just really curious after listening to Derrick's podcast and him and Katie talking about who's what age.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;229653]Well she beat Tina/Therea. She also played one **** of a strategic game, one that could rival Veronica's. Not to mention she won...[/QUOTE]
Theresa tired Tina out for like 10 mins, so Tori had a way easier shot. She won because she had three dudes LITERALLY carrying her on a stretcher the whole.
[QUOTE=BillyBear231;229660]Theresa tired Tina out for like 10 mins, so Tori had a way easier shot. She won because she had three dudes LITERALLY carrying her on a stretcher the whole.[/QUOTE]
So you're saying that Tori sucks because she was the smallest person on the team and was the most logical person to be carried in the part of the mission that says CARRY A PERSON?
Paula's really only been almost screwed once, and that was on the Inferno 3 when Susie could have blown the whole final by keeping Cara around just because they were friends.
Other than that, she just has bad luck, just like Derrick at first. She's not a bad competitor, it's just that her attitude makes people think she's crazy and not a worthy one (like Dunbar I guess).
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;229666]So you're saying that Tori sucks because she was the smallest person on the team and was the most logical person to be carried in the part of the mission that says CARRY A PERSON?[/QUOTE]
You nailed it, Nightwolf. Some people just wouldn't comprehend the truth even if one were to send an engraved invitation.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;229669]I would say she was "screwed" in The Island. I can see why some would say she wasn't, though.[/QUOTE]
I really don't know how many times this has to be said, but she was NOT screwed on The Island. It's been confirmed by Derrick, Kenny, Johnny and even Evelyn that the original agreement Kenny and Paula had was that Kenny would get Paula a key (which he did). That was it. There was no mentioning about who would be on what boat. Paula assumed that Kenny/Johnny/Derrick would chose her over Evelyn, which she did not. Kenny said on one of the podcast that he even offered Paula some of his winnings because he felt bad and she didn't take it.
She was in an alliance with someone and loyal to them throughout the game, but in the end they dumped her for someone who spent the whole game trying to get rid of them. That sounds like getting screwed to me...
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;229673]She was in an alliance with someone and loyal to them throughout the game, but in the end they dumped her for someone who spent the whole game trying to get rid of them. That sounds like getting screwed to me...[/QUOTE]
They didn't promise her anything though. She has a right to be ******, but I really don't see her having been "screwed". They weren't like, "Paula I will get you and key and you'll be sitting with us on our boat. Don't you worry about anything...Just kidding I'm putting Evelyn on my boat." That is what I would say "screwed" is.
[QUOTE=salt&vinegar;229673]She was in an alliance with someone and loyal to them throughout the game, but in the end they dumped her for someone who spent the whole game trying to get rid of them. That sounds like getting screwed to me...[/QUOTE]
Kenny made a promise to her and he kept it. How Paula played the rest of her game (or lack there of) ultimately falls on her.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;229666]So you're saying that Tori sucks because she was the smallest person on the team and was the most logical person to be carried in the part of the mission that says CARRY A PERSON?[/QUOTE]
Im saying that you can't say she is the best competitor, because she was carried the whole way, which was a logical choice, but im saying you don't know what would have happened with her, had there been someone smaller to carry.
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