Since everyone here is talking about Brad and whether or not he's a punk .... I'm going to talk about how the two real challenge legends Derrick and Abram were completely rocking on this episode's challenge, they were beasts. D and Abe were warriors, far and away the best on tonight's episode.
[QUOTE=cystic;225827]Can't say I like any of the guys you listed. A lot of people have disliked Brad before Cutthroat (or the ones who can see past the good guy edit, anyway).[/QUOTE]
I didn't mean that you liked those guys. I don't really care that you don't like brad but he hasn't been a mediocre player.
[QUOTE=RockSteadyVybes;225820]
WHYYYY go in again! Jenn hasn't done **** yet! And she's kinda worthless!
Ugh.[/QUOTE]
I do agree that Jenn should have gone in, hands down, but I just like how Emily handled the situation and voted herself in. If she did vote for Jenn she still would have gone in anyway...
Tori is obviously holding Brad back in the challenges a lot now, Brad used to be and maybe still is my favorite challenge male. I'm going to defend him by stating how in the confessionals he said that he wanted to do a gulag early in the challenge to make it feel like he deserved to be there. And how he said that Tori had a plan of how they were going to get to the final and her plan was basically what was getting them in trouble with the rest of the team.
Funny how many people aren't putting themselves in Brad shoes. Would you seriously vote yourself into the Gulag, facing the wrath of your wife and your own conscience...when you don't even have to...with money on the line? It's so hypocritical to blame him for these things. He's playing the game by the book and doing a great job at it.
Paula didn't get stabbed in the back. People felt she was next to go in and voted accordingly. Once she voted for Dunbar, that "promise letter" was null and void. What a pity party.
While I am "Team Laurel," trying to throw without getting votes locked beforehand just won't work. Glad that Abram is now admitting to see Laurel and Sarah's point of view, though.
[QUOTE=cystic;225817]Agreed. I would have to disagree with people who say he "deserves" a win just for being on so many challenges in the past. He's been mediocre on all 8 of them, and this one as well.[/QUOTE]
He was possibly the strongest competitor on BOTS2, only got sent home because he was a rookie, runner up on both duels, a key part of the vet's dominance in Gauntlet 3, one of the few challengers to pull their weight on the ruins, the guy has had a ton of bad luck on this challenges despite being one of the strongest players... other than CT he is definitely the strongest player never to have won a challenge
[QUOTE=Darock1713;225816]Jenn did well this challenge, namely her performance in both blue victories. That's more work than any female effort other than perhaps Camila.
Abram is largely responsible for all 5 of the grey victories. laurel aided in 1, 1 was a total team effort, and Cara Maria helped greatly in 1. [B]Sarah did not stand out at all. [/B]
Jenn did not imo get a free ride, and Emily volunteered herself to go in. Jenn was equally willing
Also, Jenn has also had the guts to tell off Tori and Brad and callthem out about Brandon, she also called out paula. she also busted Tori up, and that was worth the season for me.
Noi, i don't want to see no one seriously hurt, but a busted nose tends to shut one up.
jenn did well[/QUOTE]
If you are going to leave Jenn off the "free ride" list then I think you should leave Sarah off as well. I mean I don't like Sarah, but Sarah hasn't gotten DQ'd in any challenge and her and Laurel had the fastest time in the swimming challenge overall. They've basically done the same exact thing.
Also where has Jenn been equally willing to volunteer to go into a gulag. I'm sure even if Emily didn't vote for herself, Jenn and Derrick would have...
[QUOTE=joek85;225844]He was possibly the strongest competitor on BOTS2, only got sent home because he was a rookie, runner up on both duels, a key part of the vet's dominance in Gauntlet 3, one of the few challengers to pull their weight on the ruins, the guy has had a ton of bad luck on this challenges despite being one of the strongest players... other than CT he is definitely the strongest player never to have won a challenge[/QUOTE]
This 1000%
Ive always liked Brad, I think there should be an agreed upon rule by all the players that by your NINTH challenge without a win, you can behave however you want.
Also Dunbar: "You're the one that's friends with him d*******" Lol!!
It's not like Brad hasn't gotten screwed before:
BOTS2: Brad is voted off because of Mark/Eric's alliance
Inferno 2: Put into Inferno against Abram via picking out of a hat when Darrell was clearly the weakest guy there.
Gauntlet 2: David should have gone in before him at least
Duel: Loses due to the producers trying to rig the final mission in favor of Wes (yeah really).
Gauntlet 3: Loses again because of the producers making Eric's obvious failure an automatic loss in the final mission.
Duel 2: Not really screwed, just barely lost.
Ruins: Whole season was a joke. IMO he shouldn't have been kicked off for a fight that looked to me to be Darrell's fault but they started to kick off both people for fighting so can't really argue.
He seems to get screwed by the producers instead of the other competitors more often than not lol
Okay I just wanna say that CT flat out demolishing John is one of my favorite challenge moments of all time. And the fact that John went out in the most patheitc way possible is just icing on the cake. This is the 2nd challenge in a row where one of JEK doesn't win and/or get eliminated. It's wonderful to see them get their ***** kicked like everyone else does for a change. Hopefully some of the Rookies will hopefully step up and KEEP these guys down from here on out.
I'm really Tired of Sarah and Laurel planning to throw a mission and then don't follow through with it. If you're going to do it THEN DO IT don't get all chicken**** at the last minute. And Laurel needs to stop *****ing. I mean she's in the **** finals and she's still worried about Cara Maria? She's just like a broken record now But atleast Abram is kinda seeing Laruel's point.
Paula once again gets screwed. Honestly it's to the point where I'm not even feeling sorry for her now. Has she learned ANYTHING from ANY of her previous challenges? Obvioulsly not because if she did then she would've known that sticking with her friends will get her *** in trouble and she would've formed an alliance and come up with a plan to get rid of Tori and Brad (and Dunbar I suppose). Paula will NEVER win a challenge.
It was BS that Tyler was sent into the Gulag again. He and Dunbar already went now it's time for Brad to prove himself. I don't care if he just went against Abram. Tyler just went against CT and he won so why should he go in again? Tyler poved himself Brad hasn't so Brad needs to get his *** in that Gulag and show his team why he should be at the Final. (although I kinda understand since it's against Derrick and he's beaten him before. Plus it was right before the final challenge so...Yeah Brad is still full of it now.
I'm still wondering why Emily decided to throw herself in the Gulag again. Jenn really needed to be the one to go in.
And lo and behold ANOTHER to be continued. **** MTV/BMP.
[QUOTE=Lionsfan780;225824] I think it is funny people hate brad now because he has been a "*******" on this challenge but they like evan, kenny, johnny who have always been *******s.[/QUOTE]
That can be flipped to say how I think it's funny that the people who run around calling Kenny and Johnny *******s are defending Brad for pulling ******* moves. I really want someone to name me a time that Kenny or Johnny have done something scummy. Let me get a few out of the way that I'll probably hear.
1) They were mean to Evelyn on the Island: Yeah...CAUSE THEY DIDN"T LIKE HER. You go live on an island with someone who you don't like for a month and half and tell me you made it through and became best friends afterwards.
2) They don't go into elimination rounds: This is a smart strategy. It's smart that Brad's employing it too. I've said from the beginning, I don't have a problem with the game Brad's playing, but rather how he's playing it. Brad condemns Brandon for "stepping up" and failing but then plays the hero card for going up against Abe even though he got rocked. He's a hypocrite...that's where my problem is.
3) They ****ed Paula over on the Island: I'm not even gonna address this one anymore.
4) They try and get rid of bad players like Katie and Eric: If you think that this is a bad thing to do in an athletic based game...then you're ridiculous.
Are Kenny and Johnny *******s? Yeah they are. But just cause they're ******* and still somehow win doesn't mean they play a scummy game. Everyone (myself included) thinks Derrick is a saint and he's agreed with the fact that Kenny and Johnny never lie to anyone about throwing them in or have any false pretenses about how they play the game. Call them arrogant *******s call them **********, that's fine...but I don't think they play a ******* game.
However you will not hear me defend Evan. I co-sign the ******* game accusation.
Good to see people are finally seeing it from Brad's shoes. This is a game. It's not "let's see who is going to be the most noble person and risk sending yourself home with money on the line". Darrell used to say unapologetically that he was going to do anything he could to stay out of an elimination round and it worked for him back then. He was winning. Brad has lost soooo many times and he wants to win.
[QUOTE=joek85;225844]He was possibly the strongest competitor on BOTS2, only got sent home because he was a rookie, runner up on both duels, a key part of the vet's dominance in Gauntlet 3, one of the few challengers to pull their weight on the ruins, the guy has had a ton of bad luck on this challenges despite being one of the strongest players... other than CT he is definitely the strongest player never to have won a challenge[/QUOTE]
"Bad luck" is a bad excuse for people who've lost multiple challenges. His losses, other than BOTS2, can be entirely blamed on his average-at-best physical prowess. He lost to physically better opponents. He knew that coming into this challenge, which is why he took the easy path to the finals. I personally don't care to judge him as a person since I don't know him, and it is just a game. But, I am simply stating it's irritating to watch for 9 episodes. It would be harder to judge Brad if it weren't for the fact he straight up told Tyler he would go in the Gulag after his, and then just said "well nah, nevermind."
can anyone clarify this for me? I was watching the after show and Laurel said Tyler beat CT. Does she mean this in a figurative sense, since Tyler survived the onslaught from CT? When TJ unhooked the two it looked like no one had won but CT was closer to his barrel
[QUOTE=JL81790;225854]That can be flipped to say how I think it's funny that the people who run around calling Kenny and Johnny ******** are defending Brad for pulling ******* moves. I really want someone to name me a time that Kenny or Johnny have done something scummy. Let me get a few out of the way that I'll probably hear.
1) They were mean to Evelyn on the Island: Yeah...CAUSE THEY DIDN"T LIKE HER. You go live on an island with someone who you don't like for a month and half and tell me you made it through and became best friends afterwards.
2) They don't go into elimination rounds: This is a smart strategy. It's smart that Brad's employing it too. I've said from the beginning, I don't have a problem with the game Brad's playing, but rather how he's playing it. Brad condemns Brandon for "stepping up" and failing but then plays the hero card for going up against Abe even though he got rocked. He's a hypocrite...that's where my problem is.
3) They ****ed Paula over on the Island: I'm not even gonna address this one anymore.
4) They try and get rid of bad players like Katie and Eric: If you think that this is a bad thing to do in an athletic based game...then you're ridiculous.
Are Kenny and Johnny *******s? Yeah they are. But just cause they're ******* and still somehow win doesn't mean they play a scummy game. Everyone (myself included) thinks Derrick is a saint and he's agreed with the fact that Kenny and Johnny never lie to anyone about throwing them in or have any false pretenses about how they play the game. Call them arrogant *******s call them **********, that's fine...but I don't think they play a ******* game.
However you will not hear me defend Evan. I co-sign the ******* game accusation.[/QUOTE]
I agree with your defense of Johnny and Kenny. I think Johnny in particular gets a bad rap because of the Island. Johnny seems to me to have always been an upfront guy. He always made clear he was taking his boys to the end and in fact he and Kenny helped some of the girls get keys, but they didn't promise a spot on THEIR boat.
Johnny just has a BIG mouth and he could be loud and obnoxious and that rubs people the wrong way. But he didn't screw over Paula. She was just playing victim as usual. He admitted that he was too mean to Evelyn, but he didn't like her.
As for Kenny, he just talks a lot of **** about everybody. That's all. But he always makes clear who his friends are and who he is working with! We blatantly saw that on his last challenge too. Everyone knew he was working with Jillian and Pete. And he was all about helping Paula and Johanna get a key on the Island, but he never promised them the boat. Johanna could have thrown the same fit Paula did actually, but she didn't.
[QUOTE=Nightwolf;225826]For those talking about the "stretcher scene" in the preview, the sneak peek on MTV.com shows that it's actually apart of the final mission where the team has to carry 1 member of their team on the stretcher. Kind of makes me think that the blue team's gonna have a hard time (and if both of them lose next week, how does that work?).[/QUOTE]
I just watched it too and I saw they have somone(?) in a hazmat suit at 1:07 on a stretcher. SO maybe the 2? people have to carry that instead of a team member?
Look I understand wanting to stay out of elimination rounds and I'm not gonna fault any of the castmembers for that but don't be a hypcritical ******* about it. And that's exactly what Brad has been on this challenge.
[QUOTE=The Beast;225862]can anyone clarify this for me? I was watching the after show and Laurel said Tyler beat CT. Does she mean this in a figurative sense, since Tyler survived the onslaught from CT? When TJ unhooked the two it looked like no one had won but CT was closer to his barrel[/QUOTE]
The Gulag went for 40 minutes. After Tyler had "won" at the 20 second mark, he didn't want to give up and wanted to show everybody how well he could really do.
[QUOTE=The Beast;225862]can anyone clarify this for me? I was watching the after show and Laurel said Tyler beat CT. Does she mean this in a figurative sense, since Tyler survived the onslaught from CT? When TJ unhooked the two it looked like no one had won but CT was closer to his barrel[/QUOTE]
I can't believe I'm saying this, but that segment is edited "decently". It looks like Johnny said "Okay, Tyler, we get it. You're fat." in response to Tyler's tongue face. In reality, he said that because Tyler made everyone sit through 40 minutes of that gulag, which was edited down to look like it lasted 20 seconds.
[QUOTE=cystic;225861]"Bad luck" is a bad excuse for people who've lost multiple challenges. His losses, other than BOTS2, can be entirely blamed on his average-at-best physical prowess. He lost to physically better opponents. He knew that coming into this challenge, which is why he took the easy path to the finals. I personally don't care to judge him as a person since I don't know him, and it is just a game. But, I am simply stating it's irritating to watch for 9 episodes. It would be harder to judge Brad if it weren't for [B]the fact he straight up told Tyler he would go in the Gulag after his[/B], and then just said "well nah, nevermind."[/QUOTE]
In Brad's defense in that flashback he said "that sounds fair enough" or
something to that effect, in his head he couldve been thinking "yeah that's
fair, but Im not havin it"... Just sayin, unless a confessional with Brad stated somethin differently
I loved Abe's explanation that if everyone dislikes each other they'll all be trying so hard to out perform one another, he'll have the best team possible.
I think the reason I don't like how Brad is playing the game, because just while Abe also hasn't gone in, if push came to shove you know that Abe would go in (not make up a BS excuse to get out of it). Brad on the other hand has done that time and time again on this challenge. And I know this has been said but Brad want's the perks of a leader without the responsibility and that isn't right.
Side note: I think its funny that Kenny has been mentioned so many times in this thread, and other threads relating to the season, and he's not even on the show. Pretty good reason as to way he's consistently cast.
[QUOTE=cystic;225878]I can't believe I'm saying this, but that segment is edited "decently". It looks like Johnny said "Okay, Tyler, we get it. You're fat." in response to Tyler's tongue face. In reality, he said that because Tyler made everyone sit through 40 minutes of that gulag, which was edited down to look like it lasted 20 seconds.[/QUOTE]
Makes sense, so was it basically a stalemate? Neither barrel was knocked down but CT was closer to his?
Just curious because I don't understand why Laurel can claim Tyler beat CT if he didn't knock the barrel down
I have to be honest... I've never been real big on Brad. Tonight made me realize why. He talks a big game and never lives up to it. If he's such a great competitor then why hasn't he won a challenge in the past ten years?
Also... I'm having flashbacks to DC where I fell in love with Emily. The love is still there on my end. <3
Props to Tyler. That Johnny moment was one of the funniest things I've seen on a recent challenge (I think even more so due to the fact that it was Johnny who is one of the people I dislike the most on these challenges).
[QUOTE=Morris1721;225871]The Gulag went for 40 minutes. After Tyler had "won" at the 20 second mark, he didn't want to give up and wanted to show everybody how well he could really do.[/QUOTE]
Why would Tyler do that knowing there's a final coming up - no point. Some thing for Derrick, you're going in the Gulag, stop wasting energy trying to take on 3 dudes.
[QUOTE=Xeri99;225893]Why would Tyler do that knowing there's a final coming up - no point. Some thing for Derrick, you're going in the Gulag, stop wasting energy trying to take on 3 dudes.[/QUOTE]
There's always a possibility you can win. Maybe Dunbar accidentally slips of the side and now its a 2 on 1. But that's what makes Derrick such a ****** competitor, he never quits. Yeah, he might expend a bit of energy but the gulag isn't until the next day and its not in his nature to just bend to fate. He'd rather die fighting than jump off the side, something Shauvon or Tori would do.
^ same here. After the show I went onto mtv and watched that clip 4 more times lol. Hands down one of the most epic moments in challenge history. Tough for Johnny, but CT throwing him onto the barrel and landing on top of him was priceless
[QUOTE=The Beast;225888]Makes sense, so was it basically a stalemate? Neither barrel was knocked down but CT was closer to his?
Just curious because I don't understand why Laurel can claim Tyler beat CT if he didn't knock the barrel down[/QUOTE]
There are several scenarios that could have happened, and the results as well:
Amount of time CT takes to knock Tyler's barrel > Amount of time CT takes to knock Johnny's barrel
Tyler wins
Amount of time CT takes to knock Tyler's barrel < Amount of time CT takes to knock Johnny's barrel
Johnny Wins
Amount of time Tyler takes to knock CT's barrel > Amount of time Johnny takes to knock CT's barrel
Johnny wins
Amount of time Tyler takes to knock CT's barrel < Amount of time Johnny takes to knock CT's barrel
Tyler wins
The first scenario is what actually happened, since CT didn't even get to Tyler's barrel within 19 seconds like he did with Johnny.
[QUOTE]"Bad luck" is a bad excuse for people who've lost multiple challenges. His losses, other than BOTS2, can be entirely blamed on his average-at-best physical prowess. He lost to physically better opponents. He knew that coming into this challenge, which is why he took the easy path to the finals.[/QUOTE]I like Brad, but I completely agree. He was simply outplayed in his losses, either physically or strategically. There is no "bad luck" here. The "bad luck" involving Eric had nothing to do with luck and everything to do with a foolish team who couldn't see that Eric could be a possible liability in a final that almost always involves endurance of some sort (or were too scared to go against him in elimination) and that refused to slow down their pace when they saw him already struggling. But I will give Brad props for his compassion in that situation, if it was edited accurately, and for that I can't ever see him as a bad or scummy person. However, I also never bought the "good guy" label either (in terms of BMP world, that is), and found it absurd he and Robin were placed on the "Good Guys" team for I2.
That being said, as much as I've found Brad to be a crazy-eyes hypocrite and Tori a crazy-brows harpy this episode (and most of the season), I still like them more than most of the people on this Challenge and think they've been playing a smart game. Props to them.
Abram is another I like more than most of the people on this Challenge, but hello, this was yet another episode about everyone acting as if he is the end-all, be-all of the Challenge world. He got lucky that Tyler was spent, and he got very lucky that the male competitor pool was lacking this season. He's a very strong player, but he's no "legend". It wasn't that long ago that Mike owned him in both of their elimination face-offs, and he only beat Timmy because of a technical/production glitch.
[QUOTE=Matty;225905]I like Brad, but I completely agree. He was simply outplayed in his losses, either physically or strategically. There is no "bad luck" here. The "bad luck" involving Eric had nothing to do with luck and everything to do with a foolish team who couldn't see that Eric could be a possible liability in a final that almost always involves endurance of some sort (or were too scared to go against him in elimination) and that refused to slow down their pace when they saw him already struggling. But I will give Brad props for his compassion in that situation, if it was edited accurately, and for that I can't ever see him as a "bad" person. However, I also never bought the "good guy" label either (in terms of BMP world, that is), and found it absurd he and Robin were placed on the "Good Guys" team for I2.
That being said, as much as I've found Brad to be a crazy-eyes hypocrite and Tori a crazy-brows harpy this episode (and most of the season), I still like them more than most of the people on this Challenge and think they've been playing a smart game. Props to them and their apparent co-conspirator Dunbar for making it to the finals.
Abram is another I like more than most of the people on this Challenge, but hello, this was yet another episode about everyone acting as if he is the end-all, be-all of the Challenge world. He got lucky that Tyler was spent, and he got very lucky that the male competitor pool was lacking this season. He's a very strong player, but he's not in the [B]top-tier[/B] league of CT, Landon, and Alton in performance history. It wasn't that long ago that Mike owned him in both of their elimination face-offs, and he only beat Timmy because of a technical/production glitch.[/QUOTE]
I'll have to ask you not to use the "double T" word, as not to risk invoking the ramblings of a certain boy of the super variety. ;)
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