[QUOTE=kdub90;209770]I think Evan may have been in panick mode, because Nehemiah's face was stoic. He was fierce. Evan was probably worried about losing to Nehemiah, again; or just losing period. Either way, as close as it was, I don't think [B]Evan won[/B] fairly. I feel like what he did was cheating. But, thats a discussion I don't care to entertain, any further. lol.[/QUOTE]
A WIN is a WIN !! Doesn't matter how he got the win, he got it and that's what matters.
If it was cheating they would've been DQed but Battle of the Sexes 1 proved that looking at someone elses puzzle is not cheating. Thats why Wes took down his puzzle when he finished his on the Duel final challenge.
[QUOTE=cryssy19;209732]See what I'm talking about? This arrogance and self-righteousness u try to portray.
Based on YOUR definition of strong minded, I believe Evan fits that. It all comes down to ur opinion and my opinion, but don't act like ur opinion is the holy grail, cuz news flash, IT'S NOT!!!!!
For eg, Evan probably won about 4 challenges with Coral on FM, about 3 elimination rounds in The Duel 2, Won at least one challenge in the Duel 2 and won the finals, as well as other challenges, BUT WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, is because YOU THINK HE LOOKS flustered when he's in those elimination rounds, he's weak minded? He probably won a ratio of 4-1 (as compared to how much he lost) and ur gonna say no matter how much he did endure his pain, won challenges, WITH puzzles etc, worked under pressure in helping his team win the Ruins when no1 else could figure out the puzzle except him and Susie, u still call him weak-minded?
According to MY definition of weak-minded which I stated earlier..... that you are, my friend.[/QUOTE]
Evan is NOT a good example of a mentally strong player. Yes he showed mental strength at times, but also(as I explained) showed mental weakness just as much.
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Honestly, unless you are there and not watching the edited version, you can't tell anything by facial expressions. Facial expressions mean absolutely nothing... You can't even tell how well someone actually performed, at times.
Have you ever seen a live Gauntlet, Inferno, Duel, Ruin, Exile or Gulog? I am being honest. Have you? Or are you purely watching faces and how well they do from a edited TV point of view? Do you know, and this is a FACT, some elimination rounds take hours to finish and others take seconds? Because of editing, they can make it look like one person is struggling or flustered when in reality the flustered, struggling person was winning all along and they got a few facial expressions and capatalized on it.
Do you know how much editing goes on? At all? Are you aware. You sound very foolish. I am not trying to be mean at all, but I think you are the only one in this bubble, who thinks you are g-d's answer to everything challenge related. But that's not the case.
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You're kidding right? It's a known fact that Evan gets flustered during elimination rounds. Yes he still pulled off a win in most, but those wins were against bottom competitors. If he were to face one of the elites, he'd most likely lose.
P.S. It's funny how no one answered my Theo and Dan question. Like I said, most people on here don't know too much about competitors.
[QUOTE=Superboy;209776]
[B]P.S. It's funny how no one answered my Theo and Dan question. Like I said, most people on here don't know too much about competitors.[/B][/QUOTE]
Nobody answered it because you're an obnoxious blowhard and we're all sick of listening to you.
It's hard to bite my tongue when it comes to Superboy and after this post I am done with him. You think you are superior and that doesn't go over well on here. Newsflash, you aren't. And no one cares to answer your question because, besides of what AJ said, no one cares.
[QUOTE=Bacchus;209783][/QUOTE]
Hahahahaha! I'm really hoping that you actually took the time to draw the banhammers and all the lines for highs and lows on that map. Even if you didn't, that made my day.
Ok this is weird and funny, I tweeted marklong last night (who out of many "celebrities" on twitter replies the most), that he should get miz to go the reality awards and he actually is trying to do it now via twitter, even telling Mike he's nominated for an award at the show.
[QUOTE=Entropy;209775]If it was cheating they would've been DQed but Battle of the Sexes 1 proved that looking at someone elses puzzle is not cheating. Thats why Wes took down his puzzle when he finished his on the Duel final challenge.[/QUOTE]
Look, Entropy. If you actually saw the Duel, you would know that TJ told Evan repeatedly, time and time again, to sit down. He should've been DQed. There's no discussion.
(P.S.:For the record, I mistakenly said Nehemiah beat Evan, when that was false. It was an accident; I'm surprised no one caught it. lol)
After rewatching the Inferno II, I took down a lot of notes and noticed this challenge season really showed who is the better competitor.
I would love to note down the Inferno 3 as well, but since MTV has blocked it.. I can't list it.
The missions that most challengers competed towards each other individually or in teams.
THIS LIST IS BASED OFF MISSION-BY-MISSION PERFORMANCE. I wrote down their time and scores.
[U]Mission #1: Surf Torture[/U]
Males:
[COLOR=blue][B]1. Abram[/B] (Winner)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]1. Derrick [/B](Winner)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]3. Landon[/B] (Runner up)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]3. Mike[/B] (Runner up)[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]5. Darrell[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=blue]6. C.T[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]7. Brad[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=blue]8. Jon[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]10. Karamo [/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]10. Dan[/COLOR]
Females:
[COLOR=red][B]1. Jodi[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=red]2. Rachel[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]4. Veronica[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]4. Tina[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]6. Jamie[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]6. Julie[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]7. Robin[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=red]8. Shavonda[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red][B]10. Tonya[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=red]10. Beth[/COLOR][/B]
[U]Mission #2: Juice It Up[/U]
Males:
[COLOR=blue][B]1. Brad[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]2. Karamo[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]3. Mike[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]4. Dan[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]5. Jon[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]6. Landon[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=blue]7. Derrick[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]8. C.T[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]10. Abram[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]10. Darrell[/COLOR][/B]
Females:
[COLOR=red][B]1. Tina[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=red]2. Robin[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]3. Julie[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]4. Tonya[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]5. Rachel[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=red]6. Shavonda[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red][B]7. Jamie[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=red]8. Beth[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]9. Veronica[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]10. Jodi[/COLOR][/B]
[U]Mission #3: X Marks The Spot[/U]
Males:
[COLOR=blue][B]1. Abram[/B][/COLOR]
Females:
[COLOR=red][B]1. Rachel[/B][/COLOR]
[U]Mission #4: Run For Your Money[/U]
Males:
[COLOR=blue][B]1. Mike [/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]2. Derrick[/B][/COLOR]
[U]Mission #6: Dodge Yer Balls[/U]
Males:
[B][COLOR=blue]1. C.T[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]2. Derrick[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]3. Landon[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]4. Darrell[/COLOR][/B]
No Female really competed well in this mission, none of them ever got a hit or catch.
[U]Mission #7: Zip It Up[/U]
Males:
[COLOR=blue][B]1. Landon[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=blue]2. Brad[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]3. C.T[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]4. Derrick[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]6. Abram[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]6. Mike[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=blue]7. Dan[/COLOR]
Females:
[B][COLOR=red]1. Jodi[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]2. Julie[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]3. Rachel[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]4. Tina[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]5. Jamie[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]7. Veronica[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]7. Tonya[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=red]8. Shavonda[/COLOR]
[U]Mission #10: What A Drag[/U]
Males:
[COLOR=blue][COLOR=blue][B]1. Mike[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]2. Brad[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]3. C.T[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]4. Abram[/B][/COLOR]
5. Dan
[B]6. Darrell[/B]
[B]7. Derrick[/B]
[B]8. Landon[/B][/COLOR]
Females:
[COLOR=red]1. Shavonda[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red][B]2. Rachel[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=red]3. Julie[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]4. Jamie[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]5. Veronica[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]6. Tina[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]7. Tonya[/COLOR][/B]
[U]Mission #12: Time To Ride[/U]
Males:
[B][COLOR=blue]1. Derrick[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=blue]2. Dan[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]3. Landon[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]4. C.T[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue][B]5. Darrell[/B][/COLOR]
Everybody else was DQ'ed.
Females:
[B][COLOR=red]1. Tonya[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]2. Tina[/COLOR][/B]
Everybody else was DQ'ed.
[U]Mission #14: Crab Grab[/U]
Males:
[COLOR=blue][B]1. Darrell[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=blue]2. C.T[/COLOR][/B]
The other competitor's weren't shown in the order they finished.
[U]Mission #15: Heart Rate Bungee[/U]
Males:
[COLOR=blue][B]1. C.T[/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=blue]2. Landon[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]3. Derrick[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]4. Darrell[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]5. Abram[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=blue]6. Mike[/COLOR][/B]
Females:
[COLOR=red][B]1. Jamie [/B][/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=red]2. Tina[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]3. Veronica[/COLOR][/B]
4. Shavonda
[B][COLOR=red]5. Rachel[/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]6. Tonya[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=black]So as a result, when can say that:[/COLOR]
1. Derrick had a better performance than Abram, because he won the Life Shield twice and outperformed him 6 out of 8 times. Meaning Abram only outperformed him twice, when Derrick outperformed him 6 times.
2. Dan and Shavonda weren't really bad competitors when it came to missions. They did decent.
3. C.T was the best performer for the guys, second being Derrick, third being Landon.
4. Rachel was the best performer for the girls, second being Tina, third being Jamie and Julie.
5. Both Abram and Veronica (who are considered top 10 competitors) didn't have a good mission performace.
Are wwe still doing top Competiitor Lists?!?! Seriously?!?! After all the arguments????
Can we do "[B]MY [/B]Top Competitor" Lists OR "[B]MY[/B] Favorite Competitors Lists? Every one has their own interpretations of the facts. So, please.
[QUOTE=kdub90;209916]Are wwe still doing top Competiitor Lists?!?! Seriously?!?! After all the arguments????
Can we do "[B]MY [/B]Top Competitor" Lists OR "[B]MY[/B] Favorite Competitors Lists? Every one has their own interpretations of the facts. So, please.[/QUOTE]
RealityToast's Favorite Competitors:
In order from absolute favorite to least favorite.
[COLOR=blue][B]Males[/B][/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]Derrick Kosinski[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]Mark Long[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]Abram Boise[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]Kenny Santucci[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]C.T Tamburello[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]M.J Garrett[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]Alton Williams[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]Evan Starkman[/COLOR]
[B][COLOR=red][/COLOR][/B]
[B][COLOR=red]Females[/COLOR][/B]
[COLOR=red]Jenn Grijalva[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Jillian Zoboroski[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Veronica Portillo[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Kina Dean[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Cara Zavaleta[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Robin Hibbard[/COLOR]
[COLOR=red]Colie Edison[/COLOR]
Top Male:
Tyler (RW:Key West)
Danny (RW:Austin)
Jerry (RR:Viewers Revenge)
LaMonte (RR:Viewers Revenge)
Jesse(FM:1)
Top Female:
Shavoun (RW:Sydney)
Ashley(RW: Sydney)
Angel(RR: Viewers Revenge)
Brooke(RW:Sydney)
Ryan Leslie(RW:NOLA)
Number one host on this planet: T.J Lavin
As dumb as my post seems thats how dumb you alls argument sounds. There is no WAY to kno who is the best overall everyone has different views of who is the best.
[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;209786]It's hard to bite my tongue when it comes to Superboy and after this post I am done with him. You think you are superior and that doesn't go over well on here. Newsflash, you aren't. And no one cares to answer your question because, besides of what AJ said, no one cares.[/QUOTE]
I think no one can actually answer the question, because they haven't analzyed competitors. Plus Theo and Dan date way back to the Battle of the Seasons, which I don't think too many people here seen.
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3. C.T was the best performer for the guys, second being Derrick, third being Landon
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You see, Landon doesn't dominate every challenge he's on, just the Duel 2.
Landon dominated for his team on Inferno 2, the team that won the most money before the final challenge and the final challenge itself..so I would think Landon dominated, and in a team with Mike and Darrel on it, thats saying a lot.
Also Landon (along with Alton) were the two main heavies in Gauntlet 2.
Plus even Fresh Meat 2 - While he may have not been the 100% dominating team, the fact he pulled a win with Carley with him pretty much being 80% of the reason why?
[QUOTE=Superboy;209938]I think no one can actually answer the question, because they haven't analzyed competitors. Plus Theo and Dan date way back to the [B]Battle of the Seasons, which I don't think too many people here seen.[/B][/QUOTE]
I think you are severely underestimating some of the members here.
[QUOTE=Superboy;209938]I think no one can actually answer the question, because they haven't analzyed competitors.[/QUOTE]
You're asking a completely subjective question about two long-time retired competitors. No one has to answer your little question.
[QUOTE=RealityToast;209907]After rewatching the Inferno II, I took down a lot of notes and noticed this challenge season really showed who is the better competitor.
I would love to note down the Inferno 3 as well, but since MTV has blocked it.. I can't list it.
The missions that most challengers competed towards each other individually or in teams.
THIS LIST IS BASED OFF MISSION-BY-MISSION PERFORMANCE. I wrote down their time and scores.[/QUOTE]
I once did a similar project for the challenges where I tried to do a "Chilly's leaderboard" on all challenges that didn't have them. I never got too far into it but the Inferno 2 was one of the challenges I did work on and I noticed a few things.
Challenge #2 Juice It Up. I think there's a couple things wrong with the ordering. Just off the top of my head I know that Mike came in first overall and CT also won the life shield out of the bad guys. So they were one and two respectively. Since it was impossible to figure out all the competitors actual times, I simply developed a scoring system based on how badly one challenger beat his direct competition, and then for every five seconds (or maybe ten) I gave one point. It still wasn't completely fair cause some of the match ups were one sided. Tina came off looking good cause Jodi wet the bed on her heat, meanwhile Landon beat Derrick by only a couple seconds, but they both probably posted times way better then either Tina or Jodi.
Challenge #4 Run For Your Money. If you screen cap the score boards and do the math you can actually tell who posted the other best scores. All I remember for the good guys is that Brad got his amount wrong, Landon got the second highest amount behind Mike. Darrell put down 0. Jamie and Shavonda both got their amounts correct but they were like 25 and 9 or something, and most of the bad guys DQ'd. It's been a while since I did it, but it is possible as all the information needed is shown.
Challenge #7 Fill in the Gaps. If you break it into four separate teams, the first bad *** team posts the best time, the good guys first team posts the second best time, the bad *** second team posts the third best time, and the good guys second team posts the worst time.
Zip it Up was Challenge #8, not 7.
Challenge #9 Never Ending Climb. You can actually figure out who posted the best times that day. It's a little hard to figure out because the course was split into the short, medium and high sections. Also Landon makes it a bit tricky to figure out his score because he went twice for the good guys that day, but if you take the time to divide their times by 2 and 3 depending on whether they took the medium or high routes you can get an approximation of who posted the best marks. It also would probably knock Derrick down a peg because he got a penalty that mission.
Challenge #14 Crab Grab.
Is a little hard to figure out based on the editing. During the episode they show Darrell and CT win the life shield, but based on the editing they also make it look like Darrell and Landon are the first two to finish overall.
[QUOTE=Entropy;209942]Landon dominated for his team on Inferno 2, the team that won the most money before the final challenge and the final challenge itself..so I would think Landon dominated, and in a team with Mike and Darrel on it, thats saying a lot.[/QUOTE]
But apparently Derrick outpreformed him on that challenge. Also, the Miz was good in missions, but not the best at it(Alton, Theo(RR), and Dan(RR5) outperformed him in missions aswell). And Darrell didn't try his best on that challenge(as usual), he only raised to the occasion when it counted the most for him(the **** mission and the final mission).
[QUOTE]I think you are severely underestimating some of the members here.[/QUOTE]
Maybe I am. But whenever I see top competitors list, i rarely see Timmy or Theo(RR), and almost never see Dan(RR5). Not to mention people ranking certain competitors over Mark.
I said he dominated in his team, and his team ended up winning the most money before the final and the final itself, not that he out performed Derrick or CT. And on that Challenge Mike did **** well winning a life saver almost every time he was sent into the Inferno.
[QUOTE=Entropy;210009]I said he dominated in his team, and his team ended up winning the most money before the final and the final itself, not that he out performed Derrick or CT. [B]And on that Challenge Mike did **** well winning a life saver almost every time he was sent into the Inferno[/B].[/QUOTE]
As I already stated, it wasn't impossible to outperform the Miz on challenges, as a few competitors did that. Landon is a better athlete than the Miz(as anyone can be because he was a poor athlete, he couldn't climb ropes to save his life), but I don't think he is as skilled as the Miz was("Rolling On A River" mission on the Gauntlet 1 is a good example), nor as good as the Miz was in elimination rounds(Landon choking against Brad). And I don't think Landon was as mentally strong as the Miz was("Snake Soup" and "Don't Yank My Chain" missions on the Gauntlet and the Inferno are great examples). Also, the Miz was CLUTCH as he help the weaker Real World win the final mission by completing the puzzle by HIMSELF on the Battle of the Seasons. He showed that he has the smarts, as well as the physical prowess, skill and mental strength, which was why he was a great competitor. I'm not saying the Miz was a better competitor than Landon(it's too close to tell), just don't be too quick to put Landon over the Miz just because he outperformed him on a challenge.
Anybody know what the Miz is currently up to? Last I heard he was a professional wrestler or something along those lines? Anybody know how that panned out? I would actually be excited if he was to return to the challenges. Unfortunately with all the FM and other newbies he'd actually probably go pretty early on. :(
[QUOTE=CHill;210012]Anybody know what the Miz is currently up to? Last I heard he was a professional wrestler or something along those lines? Anybody know how that panned out? I would actually be excited if he was to return to the challenges. Unfortunately with all the FM and other newbies he'd actually probably go pretty early on. :([/QUOTE]
He's on the WWE now living his dream, and there is no WAY he would ever come back.
There is a way Miz could come back but it wouldnt be any time soon as Miz just climbed to the top. WWE pumps there talent like if it was a factory product. They have low card,mid card,top card level of contenders. After a few years they move em each up. Few years ago when Miz started he was the host/announcer now hes fighting in the main events. After a while WWE tends to release there top talent and moves someone else up to main even status to the spotlight. Very few wrestlers ever reach the top and stay there. If Miz gets released I can see him making a comeback. For now though hes living the WWE dream.
What I would like to see is a RR/RW Challenge- All Stars. With only players who have won/ top 3 etc. Or players that won a couple elimination rounds. Not winners against loser (ugh), but winners against winners. Kinda like a mixture between Battle of the Sexes and The Duel. So the best from Older challenges and the best from newer challenges. I think that'd be great. :) (without ppl who usually align themselves together of course). lol, but who knows, that may just be impossible.
This is completely random, but I just saw Evan cheating in a challenge. If you watch episode 10 on The Duel, during the second face of the challenge - the sprint - he took a step before TJ blew the horn. He didn't wait for the horn. And he ended up winning by default, when CT was 2 flags ahead of him we when finished.
[QUOTE=kdub90;210022]This is completely random, but I just saw Evan cheating in a challenge. If you watch episode 10 on The Duel, during the second face of the challenge - the sprint - he took a step before TJ blew the horn. He didn't wait for the horn. And he ended up winning by default, when CT was 2 flags ahead of him we when finished.[/QUOTE]
Oh my gosh, NO!!!!
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