[QUOTE=CannotTellU;199387]Yea – I think some people are missing the point. There are going to be things that happen that BMP can’t predict, but there are a lot of things that BMP can predict that they clearly don’t take advantage of. For example – going to Vancouver to film while the Olympics are going, being in DC for an election, filming in Arizona during the immigration debate, or be in Houston to deal this the obesity epidemic (Houston normally ranks near the top of list in terms of “fattest cities”).
I would love to see the show integrate cast more into their surroundings. Like how interesting it would be to put a house together around the illegal immigration issue. Or to put someone who is very much overweight in a house full of people like the Hawaii cast who were always without clothing. Or to film in Germany during the Love Parade with a housemates that are very free spirits mixed with abstinence-only supporters. I mean – that’s what I’d like to see more of.
Actually, thinking about it...Germany would be the perfect place for the abstinence-only and goth people that they were seeking for RW26. Especially since Berlin has a huge goth/underground club scene and the Love Parade. That might actually be interesting if they achieved that...but knowing BMP...they probably didn't...[/QUOTE]
Some of those ideas are good but some just don't really make for good reality tv, especially the immigratation idea. I personally wouldn't really care to see that, how would that be entertaining? Have you not picked up on certain trends throughout the seasons? Conflict, alcohol, partying, hooking up, and a lot of drama.
[QUOTE=mtlbrad;199923]Some of those ideas are good but some just don't really make for good reality tv, especially the immigratation idea. I personally wouldn't really care to see that, how would that be entertaining? Have you not picked up on certain trends throughout the seasons? Conflict, alcohol, partying, hooking up, and a lot of drama.[/QUOTE]
If you think BMP would do an entire season without alcohol, conflict, and partying, then you are mistaken.
Immigration would be a back issue, just like how Knight has his pill addition, Jemmye has her domestic abuse situation.
If there were going to do an immigration theme (which BMP has been considering for about 3 seasons now), they would pick someone strongly conservative who is against illegal immigration/a little racist/and wants to "get the terrorists" and a latino who probably has a story about their relatives being illegal or something like that. I'm sure there would be conflict there. Also, if you would put a Latino in Arizona under this current immigration law, they would definitely get stopped and questioned by police at some point. Add in a cast member who was directly affected by 9-11 and someone from another country like the UK, which has an illegal immigration problem with Polish and Middle Eastern people, and you'll have the makings of a cast...especially, if they find some people with strong personalities, which BMP doesn't struggle to find.
yeah i guess they could do all of that work in casting and pre-production or they could just throw eight random crazies with upbeat personalities into a house despite any affiliation to the location and get the same ratings... because the demographic, which is 12-14 year olds, doesn't care if X gets stopped by the immigration patrol, they care if Y and Z get drunk and fall asleep naked on the front lawn.
[QUOTE=icubaby;200307]yeah i guess they could do all of that work in casting and pre-production or they could just throw eight random crazies with upbeat personalities into a house despite any affiliation to the location and get the same ratings... because the demographic, which is 12-14 year olds, doesn't care if X gets stopped by the immigration patrol, they care if Y and Z get drunk and fall asleep naked on the front lawn.[/QUOTE]
Ok – if that’s the case then why didn’t Cancun do well in terms of rankings? And why have Real World ratings continually decreased ever since Real World Chicago?
BMP acknowledged they do not plan to have solely drunken lame seasons with blond headed girls and dumb jock guys like they did between Seasons 12 through 20. Real World Brooklyn was the beginning of them trying to highlight certain issues again to help the show differentiate itself from all the other terrible reality tv shows. So “icubaby,” if you want to refute what I’ve just said then perhaps go through a read all the stuff I’ve posted on this site about what the casting directors said to me about the direction of the show while I was in the casting process. I know -- reading may be hard for some people on this forum – but try it sometime.
The point of me saying immigration would be something good for them to cast around is because it is hot issue. And it would likely cause a lot of conflict in the house. Think about Back to New York and the first New Orleans (for those of us who have actually seen every season) and how many racial fights they got into. Immigration would be the same thing – but with an issue they haven’t highlighted yet. (PS…BMP has been looking for immigrants for the past 3 seasons…and it is widely known that this is already on their radar).
[QUOTE=CannotTellU;200382]Ok - if that's the case then why didn't Cancun do well in terms of rankings? And why have Real World ratings continually decreased ever since Real World Chicago?
BMP acknowledged they do not plan to have solely drunken lame seasons with blond headed girls and dumb jock guys like they did between Seasons 12 through 20. Real World Brooklyn was the beginning of them trying to highlight certain issues again to help the show differentiate itself from all the other terrible reality tv shows. So "icubaby," if you want to refute what I've just said then perhaps go through a read all the stuff I've posted on this site about what the casting directors said to me about the direction of the show while I was in the casting process. I know -- reading may be hard for some people on this forum - but try it sometime.
The point of me saying immigration would be something good for them to cast around is because it is hot issue. And it would likely cause a lot of conflict in the house. Think about Back to New York and the first New Orleans (for those of us who have actually seen every season) and how many racial fights they got into. Immigration would be the same thing - but with an issue they haven't highlighted yet. (PS...BMP has been looking for immigrants for the past 3 seasons...and it is widely known that this is already on their radar).[/QUOTE]
Yeah BMP acknowledged that back than, until their scare with DC. I'm not saying it's right but it's the sad truth. Thanks for the shout out, but I can most definitely read and what I've read about this casting process, (plus the fact that a relative of mine made it extremely far for 25), illustrates the people they moved along through the process fall in line with the type i just explained in my previous post. This season blew the past few out of the water and the story-lines consist of mostly ***, partying, blacking out and blonde-haired/jocks. So thanks, but I don't need to read any of your "previous posts," I can just go from the facts in front of me and say this next season will most likely be a party one with random "serious" tidbits amongst the *** and partying with attractive people- because thats "safe" for BMP and they can count on the ratings being decent.
On a side note, I personally believe the reason the show was failing and shot up isn't because of their decision to go in a different direction. Maybe Brooklyn did well but it clearly didn't do well enough to keep an audience through DC. Jersey Shore gave MTV a new audience, which clearly leaked over to its other shows. The people watching Jersey Shore clearly like drama and partying- which if Real World gives them, will continue to help out their ratings as long as people see previews.
That was my point, sorry if you don't like it.
[QUOTE=icubaby;200387]Yeah BMP acknowledged that back than, until their scare with DC. I'm not saying it's right but it's the sad truth. Thanks for the shout out, but I can most definitely read and what I've read about this casting process, (plus the fact that a relative of mine made it extremely far for 25), illustrates the people they moved along through the process fall in line with the type i just explained in my previous post. This season blew the past few out of the water and the story-lines consist of mostly ***, partying, blacking out and blonde-haired/jocks. So thanks, but I don't need to read any of your "previous posts," I can just go from the facts in front of me and say this next season will most likely be a party one with random "serious" tidbits amongst the *** and partying with attractive people- because thats "safe" for BMP and they can count on the ratings being decent.
On a side note, I personally believe the reason the show was failing and shot up isn't because of their decision to go in a different direction. Maybe Brooklyn did well but it clearly didn't do well enough to keep an audience through DC. Jersey Shore gave MTV a new audience, which clearly leaked over to its other shows. The people watching Jersey Shore clearly like drama and partying- which if Real World gives them, will continue to help out their ratings as long as people see previews.
That was my point, sorry if you don't like it.[/QUOTE]
You're right with practically everything you've stated. It will be interesting to see what happens if the Real World stays and Jersey Shore dies out.
[QUOTE=icubaby;200387]Yeah BMP acknowledged that back than, until their scare with DC. I'm not saying it's right but it's the sad truth. Thanks for the shout out, but I can most definitely read and what I've read about this casting process, (plus the fact that a relative of mine made it extremely far for 25), illustrates the people they moved along through the process fall in line with the type i just explained in my previous post. This season blew the past few out of the water and the story-lines consist of mostly ***, partying, blacking out and blonde-haired/jocks. So thanks, but I don't need to read any of your "previous posts," I can just go from the facts in front of me and say this next season will most likely be a party one with random "serious" tidbits amongst the *** and partying with attractive people- because thats "safe" for BMP and they can count on the ratings being decent.
On a side note, I personally believe the reason the show was failing and shot up isn't because of their decision to go in a different direction. Maybe Brooklyn did well but it clearly didn't do well enough to keep an audience through DC. Jersey Shore gave MTV a new audience, which clearly leaked over to its other shows. The people watching Jersey Shore clearly like drama and partying- which if Real World gives them, will continue to help out their ratings as long as people see previews.
That was my point, sorry if you don't like it.[/QUOTE]
I don't have a single problem with what you said. But I think you're missing the point. What is different about the current New Orleans season than DC or Brooklyn? They may party more and show more ***, but they still show actual storylines which Cancun and RW 14 through 19 did not do nearly as much. If you think the DC cast wasn't out partying then you are VERY wrong. They were out all the time and there was all sorts of hookups that went down that they NEVER showed. The only difference with New Orleans is that they edit the show more to show that.
I also think you're making an assumption that that highlighting an issue like immigration would make for a serious season when that doesn't have to be the case. People might not care about someone being questioned about their immigration status -- but MTV cares about run ins with the police as it makes for a good marketing sound bite. And lets face it -- all the stupid 14 to 18 year olds that watch MTV -- fall for stupid marketing ploys -- that's why Jersey has done so well....not because of its content...but because of how they are able to market the episodes and that marketing helped build a following. The same is true for Real World.
Also -- as I've stated before -- if they weren't looking for serious stories for RW25 -- they wouldn't have contacted me again. So if you think ALL they are looking for is party people -- then you're very wrong. BMP had already made it very far into the casting process before New Orleans started...and they began filming RW25 before the ratings for New Orleans even started to make big increases. So the ratings for this season couldn't have effected the casting for RW25.
How far advanced does BMP plan for upcoming seasons of TRW? Do they lay groundwork for future seasons or do they just focus on one season at a time and wing it from there?
They always say they never know where they're going to be next and who they're looking for but I always found that hard to believe.
[QUOTE=Hugs4MT;200468][B]How far advanced does BMP plan for upcoming seasons of TRW? Do they lay groundwork for future seasons or do they just focus on one season at a time and wing it from there?[/B]
They always say they never know where they're going to be next and who they're looking for but I always found that hard to believe.[/QUOTE]
They have a contract through Season 26 of TRW. If the next seasons go well, they may pick it up for more. We just have to wait and see.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;200472]They have a contract through Season 26 of TRW. If the next seasons go well, they may pick it up for more. We just have to wait and see.[/QUOTE]
I meant in reference too laying the groundwork for future locations and cast members.
From reading Cannotellu's and Icubaby's observation of who made it far into the season 25 casting, it is obvious that both of them personality wise are on opposite sides of the spectrum.
It could be the case that season 25 is a "serious" season, but icubaby's relative so happened to be what they were looking for season 26 hence a "party" season so they put icubaby's relative on "reserve", vice versa on my last sentence.
In otherwords, do they keep every person that tries out on file? Do you have to make it to a certain round to be kept on file?
My apologies for not making my previous post clearer.
[QUOTE=Hugs4MT;200511]I meant in reference too laying the groundwork for future locations and cast members.
From reading Cannotellu's and Icubaby's observation of who made it far into the season 25 casting, it is obvious that both of them personality wise are on opposite sides of the spectrum.
It could be the case that season 25 is a "serious" season, but icubaby's relative so happened to be what they were looking for season 26 hence a "party" season so they put icubaby's relative on "reserve", vice versa on my last sentence.
In otherwords, do they keep every person that tries out on file? Do you have to make it to a certain round to be kept on file?
My apologies for not making my previous post clearer.[/QUOTE]
They definitely keep certain people on file. I imagine everyone who's made the final round of casting in the last few tryouts is still considered.
They probably also keep the "no ******* way" people on file too, so they don't forget about them...
[QUOTE=molds13;200513]They definitely keep certain people on file. I imagine everyone who's made the final round of casting in the last few tryouts is still considered.
[B]They probably also keep the "no ******* way" people on file too, so they don't forget about them[/B]...[/QUOTE]
I can only imagine how big that file is, but I would imagine that it's bigger than some major populations.
[QUOTE=Hugs4MT;200511]I meant in reference too laying the groundwork for future locations and cast members.
From reading Cannotellu's and Icubaby's observation of who made it far into the season 25 casting, it is obvious that both of them personality wise are on opposite sides of the spectrum.
It could be the case that season 25 is a "serious" season, but icubaby's relative so happened to be what they were looking for season 26 hence a "party" season so they put icubaby's relative on "reserve", vice versa on my last sentence.
In otherwords, do they keep every person that tries out on file? Do you have to make it to a certain round to be kept on file?
My apologies for not making my previous post clearer.[/QUOTE]
No no. I'm not disagreeing with the majority of what ICUBaby is saying. The only point I'm trying to make is RW is back to having themes and showcasing stories in a much more drastic way than it did at any time between seasons 14 through 20.
The only other thing I take issue with is that topics like immigration, gay rights, education, etc have to always be considered "serious." If you blend the cast a certain way, you can definitely highlight issues but still provide an element of fun. RW New Orleans showcases that quite well. [I]I mean, they have people on New Orleans who have been abused, have drinking problems, have been abandoned by their parents, have pill addictions, have complexes about sexuality, etc. Not only do they all have stories, this cast is out there building houses for people homeless from Katrina.[/I] Despite all that depth, they still manage to keep it fun and somewhat funny.
My point: [B]if BMP put out a statement saying, "We're looking for people with deep issues who want to help rebuild New Orleans" -- would you think serious season or party season?[/B] The same thing would be true for any of the issues we're talking about on this thread. It's all about the cast, the location, the editing, and the way all of that is marketed to the viewers.
[QUOTE=CannotTellU;200444]....I also think you're making an assumption that that highlighting an issue like immigration would make for a serious season when that doesn't have to be the case. People might not care about someone being questioned about their immigration status -- but MTV cares about run ins with the police as it makes for a good marketing sound bite. And lets face it -- all the stupid 14 to 18 year olds that watch MTV -- fall for stupid marketing ploys -- that's why Jersey has done so well....not because of its content...but because of how they are able to market the episodes and that marketing helped build a following. The same is true for Real World.
......[/QUOTE]
Jersey Shore is more of a show where people watch to see the spectacle like a car wreck and RW is more for people looking to find someone they identify with or could learn from. I think one of MTV's ratings problems is that their target audience are the same ones who would rather watch online of get pirate downloads and watch in short bursts than sit in front of the tv for an hour. They need to start reaching out to other demographics or accept their failing ratings.
I think it's just that more people are getting piercings because it is becoming more widely acceptable just like tattoos. I don't think they are making sure that they have their quota of pierced cast members each season.
It's funny watching that Miami trailer.. A lot of people give **** to recent seasons saying it's all about them getting crazy drunk and hooking up and fighting... but it wasn't any different for Miami (and Hawaii even), I guess its just not as intense as the seasons now-a-days.
Time has changed, and so has society and the lifestyle of today's 20-somethings, but still, it's the same storylines essentially.
[QUOTE=LifeAfterBMP;201664]It's funny watching that Miami trailer.. A lot of people give **** to recent seasons saying it's all about them getting crazy drunk and hooking up and fighting... but it wasn't any different for Miami (and Hawaii even), I guess its just not as intense as the seasons now-a-days.
Time has changed, and so has society and the lifestyle of today's 20-somethings, but still, it's the same storylines essentially.[/QUOTE]
feels to me like they are casting more self-producing drama queens and fewer just normal people.
[QUOTE=SeanDaniel;201774]feels to me like they are casting more self-producing drama queens and fewer just normal people.[/QUOTE]
I would call Ashlee, Sahar, Eric, Knight, and McKenzie "normal people". Preston, Jemmye, and Ryan on the other hand are maybe "drama queens". But still, I wouldn't even call Jemmye and Preston drama queens. That title definitely goes to Ryan this season.
[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;201813]I would call Ashlee, Sahar, Eric, Knight, and McKenzie "normal people". Preston, Jemmye, and Ryan on the other hand are maybe "drama queens". But still, I wouldn't even call Jemmye and Preston drama queens. That title definitely goes to Ryan this season.[/QUOTE]
I guess I would say it is like ****--you know it when you see it as to what normal people are. I would throw Knight, Ryan, Jemmye, and Preston in the same group of out-theres for certain. Eric and Sahar are pretty normal, and I don't know where I am on the others. Not sure what I mean other than that it seems the people who end up on the RW these last few years are increasingly there as part of some blatant career plan as opposed to just wanting to have the experience or sharing their lives and sharing in others' lives. We see more people who want to have celebrity than want to be teachers, or cops, or still trying to figure out what they want to do IMO. Maybe if they went back to Europe, we could see a different type of cast come in for awhile.
[QUOTE=icubaby;201865]I was just wondering, is there any thread or place that says where all the seasons went on "vacation"?[/QUOTE]
I'd try wikipedia.
Can someone decode this video?
[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6VeTLUCfsQ]YouTube - Filming MTV real world[/url]
It was posted last week saying its from "Real World" filming. The guys accent is too strong for me to understand. He talks about "the house of the rising sun" and "ursuline convent" which New Orleans, Quebec, Berlin, and Moscow all have locations named that.
So is this from Real World New Orleans? OR is this the first footage of Season 25? Real World: Moscow -- sounds kinda cool ;-)
It could be Real World New Orleans.... It looks like they're conducting an interview and New Orleans 1 was one of the last seasons to shoot "on location" interviews... I think every season after Paris they've shot interviews behind a green screen.
Not to mention if you look at the other user's YouTube videos, a majority of them are in New Orleans.
[QUOTE=LifeAfterBMP;204624]It could be Real World New Orleans.... It looks like they're conducting an interview and New Orleans 1 was one of the last seasons to shoot "on location" interviews... I think every season after Paris they've shot interviews behind a green screen.[/QUOTE]
No idea.
Someone should contact the guy who posted the video and verify the date he filmed it and the location... ;-)
[QUOTE=yankeegurl93;204627]They recently just did the interviews for the Reunion show last week, which were on location.[/QUOTE]
Perhaps, but the guy they are filming has dark hair -- none of the NO2 cast has that except for Jamie from NO1 and he had a slightly longer i-banker haircut...not quite what this guy filming has.
[QUOTE=CannotTellU;204623]Can someone decode this video?
It was posted last week saying its from "Real World" filming. The guys accent is too strong for me to understand. He talks about "the house of the rising sun" and "ursuline convent" which New Orleans, Quebec, Berlin, and Moscow all have locations named that.
So is this from Real World New Orleans? OR is this the first footage of Season 25? Real World: Moscow -- sounds kinda cool ;-)[/QUOTE]
The House of the Rising Sun Hotel is located on Ursuline St in New Orleans.
My guess is that this is Knight's post-filming interview.
[QUOTE=CannotTellU;204631]Perhaps, but the guy they are filming has dark hair -- none of the NO2 cast has that except for Jamie from NO1 and he had a slightly longer i-banker haircut...not quite what this guy filming has.[/QUOTE]
It looks like Knight to me. Just the way he's sitting in the chair and his posture makes it seem more like him. Even if the guy doesn't have "light" hair like Knight, the lighting isn't that great in the video.
Knight was wearing a white t-shirt in his interview that was shown yesterday at the taping, but I don't remember what the background looked like. I would bet that it is Knight since he did do his interview in New Orleans.
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