[QUOTE=Moonpaw;186761]If you're talking strictly physical performance, then no. CT probably is the top dog and will smoke everyone else at almost everything...maybe not specific things that certain people are good at, like beating Kenny at wrestling or Wes at swimming, but other than that, yes, he's probably the best. [B]However, there's no point in being a beast if you can't follow the rules and keep yourself from getting DQ'ed. [/B]For example, on The Duel, there was the challenge where in the second part, they had to run to ten poles and back, starting with the first, and CT decided to start with the last. He would have won because he had the physical strength, but clearly didn't have his head in the game. Yes, CT ultimately beat Evan in a Duel, but then he lost to Brad because again, he got DQ'ed. It was a lame DQ, but it happened before and he should have known better by then to make sure it didn't happen to him. He smoked Brad; he would have been strong enough to hold the log while unclipping the flag instead of just ripping it off.[/QUOTE]
But i'm talking about the top[B] competitors[/B], not the top mental cases, and you admitted that he's pretty much better than everybody at missions which makes him a top 1 or 2 competitor all time. [B]Case closed[/B].
[QUOTE=andrewsz1991;186815]No, I believe July 6th is the date people will be coming home.[/QUOTE]
Actually, they should be home before the 4th of July weekend. I'd say somewhere around July 1st or 2nd.
[QUOTE=molds13;186824]Actually, they should be home before the 4th of July weekend. I'd say somewhere around July 1st or 2nd.[/QUOTE]
i could've sworn that somebody said the 6th was when they'd be back. But you know better than me.
[QUOTE=andrewsz1991;186828]i could've sworn that somebody said the 6th was when they'd be back. But you know better than me.[/QUOTE]
TJ Lavin said he would be back in Vegas for the UFC fight, which is July 3rd...can't exactly do a final without a host, can we? :p
[QUOTE=andrewsz1991;186828]i could've sworn that somebody said the 6th was when they'd be back. But you know better than me.[/QUOTE]
This was also posted on one of the cast members Facebook after they were sent home.
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The 3rd was always the day they planned for the castmembers to be back in the states.
They didn't cut this challennge short. I would say it ends the 1st. Sleep for the night and then get on a plane back to the states which would be in time for july 3rd.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186806]But i'm talking about the top[B] competitors[/B], not the top mental cases, and you admitted that he's pretty much better than everybody at missions which makes him a top 1 or 2 competitor all time. [B]Case closed[/B].[/QUOTE]
No, it's not case closed. Again, it depends on your meaning of the best competitor. Clearly we're using different meanings, so we keep going in endless circles. From a purely physical aspect, yes, CT is nearly unbeatable. But IMO, it's pointless if he DQs himself for not following the rules, which to me makes him a weaker competitor. And it's happened multiple times, so it wasn't just a fluke. That's why I don't consider him the best competitor.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;186886]No, it's not case closed. Again, it depends on your meaning of the best competitor. Clearly we're using different meanings, so we keep going in endless circles. From a purely physical aspect, yes, CT is nearly unbeatable. [B]But IMO, it's pointless if he DQs himself for not following the rules, which to me makes him a weaker competitor. And it's happened multiple times, so it wasn't just a fluke.[/B] [B]That's why I don't consider him the best competitor[/B].[/QUOTE]
Again, who do you consider a better competitor than CT in terms of what they've accomplished in challenges as a individual competitor? And the[B] ONLY[/B] time CT lost in a [B]competition[/B] due to being too hyper was on the Duel 1 against Brad. Him punching Davis and Adam has nothing to do with his ability as a competitor.....we can go on and on about this, and I have no problem with that.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186888]Again, who do you consider a better competitor than CT in terms of what they've accomplished in challenges as a individual competitor? And the[B] ONLY[/B] time CT lost in a [B]competition[/B] due to being too hyper was on the Duel 1 against Brad. Him punching Davis and Adam has nothing to do with his ability as a competitor.....we can go on and on about this.[/QUOTE]
That wasn't the only time he lost in competition for not following the rules. And to answer your question, I would say Evan and Landon are better, not because they're stronger but because they keep their heads better and understand how to follow rules. Does it mean they WILL beat him one on one? Not necessarily, but it could last them long enough in the game for CT to shoot himself in the foot, as he's done numerous times in the past. It certainly doesn't mean he's any less of a threat-I certainly wouldn't count on him screwing up in an elimination; it just means that if he wants to win, he needs to work on that aspect of his game. We're not going to come to an agreement on this issue, and that's ok, but understand that there are different ways to look at it, and just because someone else's way is different from yours doesn't mean it's wrong.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;186889]That wasn't the only time he lost in competition for not following the rules. And to answer your question, I would say Evan and Landon are better, not because they're stronger but because they keep their heads better and understand how to follow rules. Does it mean they WILL beat him one on one? Not necessarily, but it could last them long enough in the game for CT to shoot himself in the foot, as he's done numerous times in the past. It certainly doesn't mean he's any less of a threat-I certainly wouldn't count on him screwing up in an elimination; it just means that if he wants to win, he needs to work on that aspect of his game. We're not going to come to an agreement on this issue, and that's ok, but understand that there are different ways to look at it, and just because someone else's way is different from yours doesn't mean it's wrong.[/QUOTE]
CT outpreformed Landon on the Inferno 2, winning six life savers to Landon's four, and CT beat Evan on the Duel 1, so that's a fail. It doesn't matter if they have their heads screwed on, CT has gotten the best of both as a competitor. As a matter of fact, Landon didn't follow the rules in his duel against Brad, and TJ had to break it up, also Evan tried to cheat on the Duel 1 by drawing a copy of the puzzle in order to beat CT and he also got called out by TJ for that. So both Landon and Evan didn't play by the rules and also lost those duels.....but are they still considered to be elite competitors? Of course they are, and CT should aswell.
I just had to peep in and say something about the whole CT being a competitor. I do agree that CT is a great competitor and could be one of the best, however, when I look at who I think is the best I look at winning and the whole aspect rather than just strength. Ever since Fresh Meat started, the whole RW/RR challenge has become not only strength based, but also politically/socially based and I think although CT may have Evan and Landon beat on the physical part, they both definitely have CT beat on the political part and both have wins under their belts. So in deciding who is better, I don't think we may ever find out unless we actually see them go head to head in a future challenge. I just think at this moment they are pretty much equal in their overall performances of the challenges, but there is no argument when it comes to competitiveness, because they all seem to have that to the max. They all just want to win.
[QUOTE=fabulous788;186891]I just had to peep in and say something about the whole CT being a competitor. I do agree that CT is a great competitor and could be one of the best, however, when I look at who I think is the best I look at winning and the whole aspect rather than just strength. Ever since Fresh Meat started, the whole RW/RR challenge has become not only strength based, but also politically/socially based and I think although CT may have Evan and Landon beat on the physical part, they both definitely have CT beat on the political part and both have wins under their belts. So in deciding who is better, I don't think we may ever find out unless we actually see them go head to head in a future challenge. I just think at this moment they are pretty much equal in their overall performances of the challenges, but there is no argument when it comes to competitiveness, because they all seem to have that to the max. They all just want to win.[/QUOTE]
CT is also good at missions that doesn't involve physical strength, he was a highly skilled competitor(Inferno 2 proves that). And its not just about winning, because luck is involved most of the time(Darrell would tell you that). Lastly, how can Evan be equal with CT when he was repeatedly outpreformed by a 37 year old Mark on the duel 2? If CT didn't fight Adam, he would of been the number one competitor not Landon, and castmembers knew that.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186892]CT is also good at missions that doesn't involve physical strength, he was a highly skilled competitor(Inferno 2 proves that). And its not just about winning, because luck is involved most of the time(Darrell would tell you that). Lastly, how can Evan be equal with CT when he was repeatedly [B]outpreformed[/B] by a 37 year old Mark on the duel 2? If CT didn't fight Adam, he would of been the number one competitor not Landon, and castmembers knew that.[/QUOTE]
You do realize that the word is PERFORMED, right?
We get it. You think CT is the best. Other people think otherwise, and you probably won't change their opinion. We really don't need to go on and on about it.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186892]If CT didn't fight Adam, he would of been the number one competitor not Landon, and castmembers knew that.[/QUOTE]
Firstly, would HAVE been.
Secondly, you can't speculate about how well CT would have done in the missions. He might have DQ'd, messed up, he just might not have done the best in the mission. He wasn't there, it didn't happen, so you can't say he would have been the number one competitor. Also, if 37-year-old Mark can beat both Landon and Evan, who's to say he wouldn't beat CT in a challenge also?
[QUOTE=Superboy;186892]CT is also good at missions that doesn't involve physical strength, he was a highly skilled competitor(Inferno 2 proves that). And its not just about winning, because luck is involved most of the time(Darrell would tell you that). Lastly, how can Evan be equal with CT when he was repeatedly outpreformed by a 37 year old Mark on the duel 2? If CT didn't fight Adam, he would of been the number one competitor not Landon, and castmembers knew that.[/QUOTE]
You may think CT is the best, but not everyone agrees with you. You love CT. We get it. No one is bashing him.
[QUOTE=molds13;186899]You do realize that the word is PERFORMED, right?
We get it. You think CT is the best. Other people think otherwise, and you probably won't change their opinion. We really don't need to go on and on about it.[/QUOTE]
I made a mistake, and I don't think CT is the best, I believe he is the second best after Mark all time. I'm just tired of people downing CT because of his fighting with other people, rather than his ability as a competitor.
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Firstly, would HAVE been.
Secondly, you can't speculate about how well CT would have done in the missions. He might have DQ'd, messed up, he just might not have done the best in the mission. He wasn't there, it didn't happen, so you can't say he would have been the number one competitor. [B]Also, if 37-year-old Mark can beat both Landon and Evan, who's to say he wouldn't beat CT in a challenge also? [/B]
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Mark could of beaten CT in 1 or 2 challenges, but not in most because he was past his prime and CT still has in his prime.
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You may think CT is the best, but not everyone agrees with you. You love CT. We get it. No one is bashing him
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I think Mark is the best all time, and CT is second(though Mark and CT are pretty much neck and neck, Mark's performance on the Duel 2 is what puts him over just a bit for me). I also don't like CT at all, i'm just being logical and stating the facts because its ridiculous to down CT as a competitor when he's constantly outperformed every great competitor expect for (Mark and Alton because he's never competed against them).
[QUOTE=Superboy;186904]I made a mistake, and I don't think CT is the best, I believe he is the second best after Mark all time. I'm just tired of people downing CT because of his fighting with other people, rather than his ability as a competitor.
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I think a lot of people here agree that CT is one of the top competitors. Just because they don't think he's the best does not mean they are downing him.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186892]CT is also good at missions that doesn't involve physical strength, he was a highly skilled competitor(Inferno 2 proves that). And its not just about winning, because luck is involved most of the time(Darrell would tell you that). Lastly, how can Evan be equal with CT when he was repeatedly outpreformed by a 37 year old Mark on the duel 2? If CT didn't fight Adam, he would of been the number one competitor not Landon, and castmembers knew that.[/QUOTE]
Unfortunately, it's hard to use isolated incidents as a barometer for ability in these challenges either. The Duel 2 had a huge variable which were the partners (Rachel vs Diem) which most likely had a huge effect in making Mark and Landon seem far and away better than everybody else.
Also, if you were going by your own reasoning, why use a roundabout method such as comparing Evan on the Duel 2 to other people to CT, when you could just compare Evan and CT on the Duel, in which Evan won a majority of the challenges. And lets just be clear, I'm not using that reasoning, because Evan teamed up with Jodi on the majority of those challenges while CT was partnered with Diem, I'm more than aware of the intangibles on these challenges. I'm just explaining how we can't say Landon/Mark > Evan on the Duel 2 and CT > Landon on the Inferno 2, therefor CT > Evan. There's just way too many variables.
Like everybody has already said, people will argue and speculate over who is the best competitor that has appeared on these challenges. If you believe CT is the best, that's fine, a lot of people agree with you, but there's no clear and definite argument for who's the best. You should just be happy that with 0 challenge wins, most people, myself included, still consider CT one of the best ever.
Since Fresh Meat II ended not to long ago and MTV billed it as Wes vs. Kenny who do you think is the better challenger between the two? Neither are top tier players. Neither are entertaining. Neither are intimidating. Both think they are the alpha male. Both would get destroyed by the top level talent. That being said, I'd say Wes is better when it comes to competing than Kenny is. Wes has actually proven himself a few times whereas Kenny has not. Also, Kenny is a huge poon. Don't get me wrong, I don't like either, but like I said, at least Wes has somewhat proven himself.
[QUOTE=molds13;186905]I think a lot of people here agree that CT is one of the top competitors. Just because they don't think he's the best does not mean they are downing him.[/QUOTE]
But the only competitor who can be considered better than him(based on what he's done in challenges) is Mark. Who else can you put over CT as a competitor all time?
[QUOTE]Unfortunately, it's hard to use isolated incidents as a barometer for ability in these challenges either. The Duel 2 had a huge variable which were the partners (Rachel vs Diem) which most likely had a [B]huge effect in making Mark and Landon seem far and away better than everybody else.[/B][/QUOTE]
In the missions that showed off individual abilites, Landon was first and Mark was second(and Landon himself said that).
[QUOTE]Also, if you were going by your own reasoning, why use a roundabout method such as comparing Evan on the Duel 2 to other people to CT, when you could just compare Evan and CT on the Duel, in which [B]Evan won a majority of the challenges[/B]. And lets just be clear, I'm not using that reasoning, because Evan teamed up with Jodi on the majority of those challenges while CT was partnered with Diem, I'm more than aware of the intangibles on these challenges. I'm just explaining how we can't say Landon/Mark > Evan on the Duel 2 and CT > Landon on the Inferno 2, therefor CT > Evan. There's just way too many variables.
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Evan won most of the challenges, but LOST to CT in a duel.
[QUOTE]Like everybody has already said, people will argue and speculate over who is the best competitor that has appeared on these challenges. If you believe CT is the best, that's fine, a lot of people agree with you, but there's no clear and definite argument for who's the best. You should just be happy that with 0 challenge wins, most people, myself included, still consider CT one of the best ever. [/QUOTE]
Again, I actually believe Mark is the best and CT is second all time based on what they've done in challenges. I'm speaking from a factual point of veiw by basing it on performance in the challenges.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186908]But the only competitor who can be considered better than him(based on what he's done in challenges) is Mark. Who else can you put over CT as a competitor all time?[/QUOTE]
Who CARES?
[QUOTE=molds13;186909]Who CARES?[/QUOTE]
Many people may care, and this is a discussion forum isn't it? We discuss things related to the challenges, or else you don't have a forum.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186910]Many people may care, and this is a discussing forum isn't it?
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Yes, but (and I can't believe I need to say this again) everyone has different opinions. I could give you a name for someone I think better than CT and you could disagree. Going around in circles is pointless and exhausting.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186910]this is a [I]discussing forum[/I] isn't it? [/QUOTE]
Discussion forum.
FTFY.
As for CT, take it [URL="http://vevmo.com/f187/chris-ct-tamburello-3852"]here[/URL]. We have many of pages of circular logic to feed all of the CT "chasing your tail" argumentative needs you might have...
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[QUOTE]Since Fresh Meat II ended not to long ago and MTV billed it as Wes vs. Kenny who do you think is the better challenger between the two? Neither are top tier players. Neither are entertaining. Neither are intimidating. Both think they are the alpha male. Both would get destroyed by the top level talent. That being said, I'd say Wes is better when it comes to competing than Kenny is. Wes has actually proven himself a few times whereas Kenny has not. Also, Kenny is a huge poon. Don't get me wrong, I don't like either, but like I said, at least Wes has somewhat proven himself. [/QUOTE]
Wes is better because he's accomplished more than Kenny has. Until Kenny beats a great competitor(Wes did with Derrick) and comes away with a challenge win on something like the Duel 3, Wes is better. And yes, Wes is not a top tier competitor, he is one of least skilled competitors(has only been good at swimming missions). But his strengths are his physical strength, and his manipulative abilities in the social/political aspect of the game. He got [B]INCREDIBLY [/B]lucky on the Duel 1, he was not the best competitor there, CT and Evan were the top two. Plus Brad could have beaten him if it weren't for the soccer thing.
That nomination video is loaded with spelling errors and overall poorly done. Whoever made it shouldn't have made a best male competitor list and omitted CT, Theo V., and Timmy from consideration. Also, leaving out Timmy/Abe in Inferno 3 off the best elimination rounds. I don't understand what "Best Challenge Performance as a Rookie or Veteran" is supposed to mean, shouldn't it just be "Best Challenge Performance"? And how do you leave Landon's performances (Duel 2, Inferno 2, FM2) off that list? Or Alton in Gauntlet 2, or CT in Inferno/Inferno 2, Abram in Inferno 3, the Miz on Battle of the Seasons? I can't believe I just watched that ********* video. What a waste of my time.
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