I'm glad people finally came to their senses about Darrell. I've always thought he was not a very great competitor. He got lucky throughout his challenge years, he was even lucky enough to get Cara Maria (the strongest physically (not mentally) fresh meat girl.) But that apparently didnt work out. He is extremely overrated, and sadly for CM, deserved to finally lose a challenge. I would love to see him get his *** kicked on the Duel 3.
[QUOTE=mph922;186153]It is all subjective, and it's really hard to say who is the "best". If you really look at it, you can make arguments for any challenge contestant.
For example, people still hold Ruthie in some high regard because of her performance on BOTSexes, but IMO in every challenge since then, Ruthie has shown that she is nothing to write home about. Or even somebody like Alton, who was basically a beast on G1 and G2, definitely did lackluster (in comparison) on Inferno 3. And don't even get me started on Darrell, who is in my opinion one of the most overrated players on these challenges.
So yeah, I'd have to agree with Molds that it's pretty difficult to determine who is truly the best on these challenges. Especially since we will likely never have a challenge where all the top competitors appear on together. It's difficult when every challenge has different competitors and missions. If you put Wes on a challenge with Ace, Dunbar, Danny, Adam, LT, and Tyler, is he gonna come off looking better? Probably. But if you put him on a challenge with [B]Alton, CT, Landon, Timmy, Mark, Theo, Jamie, and Mike?[/B] Probably won't look anything special.[/QUOTE]
Forgot about Dan(Road Rules Northern Trail). Also, Darrell is a great competitor folks, he is at his best when it counts the MOST, as he shown in all of his final missions and his elimination rounds on the Ruins. He was not the most well rounded competitor, but his boxing background gave him a physical edge(and mental) over any competitor expect for maybe Mark, CT, and Timmy. And it is not TOO hard to determine who the best of the best is, you have to base it on what the competitors have done on their challenges in both missions and elimination rounds, what they've shown in physical prowess, mental strength, and smarts......with that said, there are only 4 competitors who stand out the most, Mark, CT, Timmy, and Alton, after that you have Dan(RR 5), Theo(RR), Miz, and Landon in a tight one(the hell with Evan and the Fresh Meat people).
Dan (RR5) is definitely underrated. The guy is on the smaller size but he has always performed very well throughout his Road Rules seasons and all the challenges he's been on.
[QUOTE=SurferZ;186295]Dan (RR5) is definitely underrated. The guy is on the smaller size but he has always performed very well throughout his Road Rules seasons and all the challenges he's been on.[/QUOTE]
He was the most complete Road Rules competitor, he outpreformed the Miz on the Battle of the Seasons and the BOTS 2, not to mention he made it to the final on the BOTS 2, which was one of the hardest challenges to make it to the end of(on the guys side) because there was no score board; if you messed up in one mission, you were out(Abram and Miz got out early and they were better competitors than MOST of the guys there). He was just simply a great competitor, on par with Theo(RR), but people don't mention him because he's too old school and never been in an elimination round.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186288]Forgot about Dan(Road Rules Northern Trail). Also, Darrell is a great competitor folks, he is at his best when it counts the MOST, as he shown in all of his final missions and his elimination rounds on the Ruins. He was not the most well rounded competitor, but his boxing background gave him a physical edge(and mental) over any competitor expect for maybe Mark, CT, and Timmy. [B]And it is not TOO hard to determine who the best of the best is, you have to base it on what the competitors have done on their challenges in both missions and elimination rounds, what they've shown in physical prowess, mental strength, and smarts[/B]......with that said, there are only 4 competitors who stand out the most, Mark, CT, Timmy, and Alton, after that you have Dan(RR 5), Theo(RR), Miz, and Landon in a tight one(the hell with Evan and the Fresh Meat people).[/QUOTE]
You want to tell me that CT has mental strength and smarts? He's been kicked off 2 challenges before they even started.
You mention CT and Landon as two of the best, but you don't mention Brad, who on paper has beaten BOTH of them in elimination rounds? And he was runner up in both of the challenges that were individual. He has also beaten Mark in the final of the individual challenge.
So, you say it's really not that hard to determine who the best of the best is, but then you refuse to include certain people in the list. That right there makes it subjective.
It's harder than you think because everyone has a different opinion. So while it might be easy for [B]you[/B] to determine who [B]you[/B] think the top people are, other people are going to disagree.
[QUOTE]You want to tell me that CT has mental strength and smarts? He's been kicked off 2 challenges before they even started.[/QUOTE]CT doesn't have mental strength, but he does have great physical prowess and was a highly skilled competitor and he outpreformed the Miz on the Inferno 1, Landon, Derrick, Abram, and Miz(yet again) on the Inferno 2, and he showed he can solve a puzzle by beating Evan on the Duel 1, not to mention he was cocky going into it. CT is the best Real World male competitor all time, and him and Mark fight for the crown as being the best male competitor all time. Him getting into fights here and there doesn't have anything to do with his ability as a competitor.
[QUOTE]You mention CT and Landon as two of the best, but you don't mention Brad, who on paper has beaten BOTH of them in elimination rounds? And he was runner up in both of the challenges that were individual. He has also beaten Mark in the final of the individual challenge.[/QUOTE]Brad is a great competitor, but is one the weakest of the [U][I][B]Fourteen Great Competitors All Time[/B][/I][/U] (Mark, CT, Timmy, Alton, Dan(RR5), Miz, Theo(RR), Landon, Darrell, Abram, Derrick, Jamie(RW New Orleans), Brad, and Wes). He did beat Landon, but he got LUCKY, Landon is still a better competitor than Brad, and anyone with common sense knows this. Also Brad did NOT beat CT, CT choked. Lastly, Mark selfishly left the final mission of the Duel 2 up to Brad and Evan to win, if you watch that episode closely, he is not giving his all because he was old and won on challenges in the past. He was fine with just taking third place and left it up to one of the younger guys to win it(plus Brad and Evan never won before). He was a better competitor than BOTH on that challenge, was second only to Landon who was MUCH younger and was in the best shape of his life. So you fail BADLY there my friend.
[QUOTE]So, you say it's really not that hard to determine who the best of the best is, but then you refuse to include certain people in the list. That right there makes it subjective.[/QUOTE]I included the competitors who were the MOST impressive on all their challenges, Abram, Darrell, Wes, Derrick, Brad, and Jamie not on the level(all time) of Mark, CT, Timmy, Alton, Dan(RR5), Theo(RR), Miz, and Landon based on what they've done in all their challenges to date.
[QUOTE]It's harder than you think because everyone has a different opinion. So while it might be easy for [B]you[/B] to determine who [B]you[/B] think the top people are, other people are going to disagree.[/QUOTE]Its not an opinion when i've analzyed ALL the challenges, and i'm telling you, based on what they've done in challenges and comparing it, those people i've mention are the best of the best(Evan doesn't count if you are a TRUE rw/rr fan).
[QUOTE=Superboy;186303]CT doesn't have mental strength, but he does have great physical prowess and was a highly skilled competitor and he outpreformed the Miz on the Inferno 1, Landon, Derrick, Abram, and Miz(yet again) on the Inferno 2, and he showed he can solve a puzzle by beating Evan on the Duel 1, not to mention he was cocky going into it. CT is the best Real World male competitor all time, and him and Mark fight for the crown as being the best male competitor all time. Him getting into fights here and there doesn't have anything to do with his ability as a competitor.[/quote]
OK, but you said that you were taking mental strength and smarts into the equation. CT clearly does not have mental strength and you even agree with me. How can you say that one person is one of the best of all time when they only have 1/3 qualifications that you yourself are using to determine who's the best? Wouldn't you rather have an all-around competitor that has all 3 prerequisites? As we've seen, it's not just all about physical prowess anymore.
Him getting into fights absolutely has something to do with his smarts and his mental strength. I've never seen Mark, Landon, or the Miz get into a fight. Why? Because they're not stupid enough. They don't put a target on their back for someone to even want to approach them in that way in the first place. CT may be one of the best physical strengths, but his lack of mental strength brings him down a notch as one of the best all-around players.
[quote]Brad is a great competitor, but is one the weakest of the [B][I][U]twelve[/U][/I][/B] great competitors(Mark, CT, Timmy, Alton, Dan(RR5), Theo(RR), Landon, Darrell, Abram, Jamie(RW New Orleans), Brad, and Wes). He did beat Landon, but he got LUCKY, Landon is still a better competitor than Brad, and anyone with common sense knows this, also [B]Brad did NOT beat CT, CT choked[/B]. Lastly, Mark selfishly left the final mission of the Duel 2 up to Brad and Evan to win, if you watch that episode closely, he is not giving his all because he was old and won on challenges in the past. He was fine with just taking third place and left it up to one of the younger guys to win it(plus Brad and Evan never won before). He was a better competitor than BOTH on that challenge, he was second only to Landon who was MUCH younger and was in the best shape of his life. So you fail BADLY there my friend.[/quote]
He still won, didn't he? Yes. Again, that's CT's failure at mental strength and smarts. That's not Brad's fault. You could even argue that Brad used that to his advantage.
By the way, I don't think I fail at all. I think I'm actually bringing up valid points to your argument.
[quote]Its not an opinion when i've analzyed ALL the challenges, and i'm telling you, based on what they've done in challenges and comparing it, those people i've mention are the best of the best(Evan doesn't count if you are a REAL rw/rr fan).[/QUOTE]
That's great that you've taken the time to analyze every single challenge and everything. I'm sorry I haven't taken the time to watch every episode 7 times with my notepad and pen and point out each competitor's shortcomings and strengths. But if I really wanted to, I could say that I don't want to include CT on my list because I really hated RW: Paris. And if you were a REAL RW/RR fan, you should have gotten over the fact that the Fresh Meat are there by now and embraced them because you're a fan of the challenge series and you'd rather have the series with them than nothing. If you'd rather have nothing...then you aren't a real fan.
I think the "who's the best" discussion is overplayed and ridiculous because everyone has a different opinion. The point I was trying to make (as I made yesterday) is that if you like or dislike someone enough, you can make a case for them as to where they fall on the "awesome" scale. The only way to settle the score as to who's the best would be for everyone to appear in the same challenge, in their prime, and for them to compete in the same challenges and elimination rounds. Obviously that can't happen...so it will never be settled. Simple as that.
[QUOTE]OK, but you said that you were taking mental strength and smarts into the equation. CT clearly does not have mental strength and you even agree with me. How can you say that one person is one of the best of all time when they only have 1/3 qualifications that you yourself are using to determine who's the best? Wouldn't you rather have an all-around competitor that has all 3 prerequisites? As we've seen, it's not just all about physical prowess anymore.[/QUOTE]
Actually he has 2/3, because as I explained, he beat Evan in a puzzle on the Duel 1. He may not be smart out of the competition, but he showed he could be smart in the competition. Also, he still outpreformed all the people I mentioned and castmembers would tell you, he is the best competitor in the last couple of years.
[QUOTE]Him getting into fights absolutely has something to do with his smarts and his mental strength. I've never seen Mark, Landon, or the Miz get into a fight. Why? Because they're not stupid enough. They don't put a target on their back for someone to even want to approach them in that way in the first place. CT may be one of the best physical strengths, but his lack of mental strength brings him down a notch as one of the best all-around players.[/QUOTE]
No it does NOT, if Michael Jordan got into fights and got a lot of technical fouls, but still accomplished what he did as a basketball player, would that still NOT make him the best player ever? Of course it would, because his mental problems has NOTHING to do with his ability as a basketball player, the same for CT as a COMPETITOR, not as a person.
[QUOTE]He still won, didn't he? Yes. Again, that's CT's failure at mental strength and smarts. That's not Brad's fault. You could even argue that Brad used that to his advantage.
By the way, I don't think I fail at all. I think I'm actually bringing up valid points to your argument.[/QUOTE]
Brad did won, but again, he is STILL not a better competitor than Landon, Landon is still a FAR more impressive competitor. Its like the Inferno with Abram and Timmy, Timmy got a DQ, but he still bascially WOULD have won, he just made an ignorant mistake but standing up and knocking the glass out. He is still a better competitor than Abram all time, based on what he's done in all his challenges, the same with Landon. Lastly, CT had Brad beat, plain and simple, yes he choked, but he is still a better competitor than Brad as he GREATLY outpreformed him on the Inferno 2, and was even considered a better competitor than Brad and the best of the male Veterans on the Gauntlet 3. As I stated, castmembers know CT is the best competitor.
[QUOTE]That's great that you've taken the time to analyze every single challenge and everything. I'm sorry I haven't taken the time to watch every episode 7 times with my [B]notepad and pen and point out each competitor's shortcomings and strengths[/B]. But if I really wanted to, I could say that I don't want to include CT on my list because I really hated RW: Paris. And if you were a REAL RW/RR fan, you should have gotten over the fact that the Fresh Meat are there by now and embraced them because you're a fan of the challenge series and you'd rather have the series with them than nothing. If you'd rather have nothing...then you aren't a real fan.[/QUOTE]
If you want to make a case as who are the best competitors, you HAVE to analyze the challenges. Also, that's the problem, not placing CT on the top list because of petty things..... respect him as a competitor and be honest and logical. Lastly, if you want to include the fresh meat people when talking about the best all time competitors than go ahead, but i'm talking about competitors from RW and RR.
[QUOTE]I think the "who's the best" discussion is overplayed and ridiculous because everyone has a different opinion. The point I was trying to make (as I made yesterday) is that if you like or dislike someone enough, you can make a case for them as to where they fall on the "awesome" scale. The only way to settle the score as to who's the best would be for everyone to appear in the same challenge, in their prime, and for them to compete in the same challenges and elimination rounds. Obviously that can't happen...so it will never be settled. Simple as that.[/QUOTE]
Again, that's why you have to analyze the challenges and base it on what they've done, the best of the best are the fourteen males i've mentioned. The only male competitors who stand out from the rest(based on what they did) are Mark, CT, Timmy, and Alton, the next bunch in no order is Dan(RR5), Theo(RR), Miz, and Landon......after that, you have Darrell, Abram, Wes, Derrick, Brad and Jamie.
I didn't actually read the majority of that because I have more important things to take care of, but let's just leave it at this: you have your list of the best competitors of all time, and I don't necessarily agree with it. Sorry.
[QUOTE=molds13;186316]I didn't actually read the majority of that because I have more important things to take care of, but let's just leave it at this: you have your list of the best competitors of all time, and I don't necessarily agree with it. Sorry.[/QUOTE]
Fine, but there is no doubt that my list is logical when basing it on what they've done in challenges.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186313]Actually he has 2/3, because as I explained, he beat Evan in a puzzle on the Duel 1. He may not be smart out of the competition, but he showed he could be smart in the competition. Also, he still outpreformed all the people I mentioned and castmembers would tell you, he is the best competitor in the last couple of years.
No it does NOT, if Michael Jordan got into fights and got a lot of technical fouls, but still accomplished what he did as a basketball player, would that still NOT make him the best player ever? Of course it would, because his mental problems has NOTHING to do with his ability as a basketball player, the same for CT as a COMPETITOR, not as a person.
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The puzzle on which he beat Evan didn't require smarts; it was kindergarten-level crap that he won because he got his pieces faster. He may out-PERform (not preform) many people, but his mental weakness has also cost him plenty of wins, if you remember The Duel at all. As for the comparison with MJ, being a competitor and a basketball player are way different. And besides, Michael Jordan still won games. CT's mental weaknesses have kept him from winning, time and time again. That is the reason why it makes him a weaker competitor.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186303]Him getting into fights here and there doesn't have anything to do with his ability as a competitor.[/quote]
Except...him getting into fights "here and there" gets him KICKED OFF THE COMPETITION ENTIRELY. If Michael Jordan got into so many fights that he was suspended from key games, he would a useless player and dead weight to his team. The fact that CT can't keep his emotions under control is a huge weakness and definitely knocks him down a few pegs. What keeps him from the upper echelon of Mark, Timmy, etc. is his lack of self control, to the point where it actually interferes with his ability to compete.
Don't get me wrong, CT is definitely one of the top competitors on the challenges. But I don't think it's a coincidence that he hasn't won a challenge yet (he could have won Inferno 3 and Duel 2 easily, if he hadn't gotten into those fights).
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;186325]The puzzle on which he beat Evan didn't require smarts; it was kindergarten-level crap that he won because he got his pieces faster. He may out-PERform (not preform) many people, but his mental weakness has also cost him plenty of wins, if you remember The Duel at all. As for the comparison with MJ, being a competitor and a basketball player are way different. And besides, Michael Jordan still won games. [B]CT's mental weaknesses have kept him from winning, time and time again. That is the reason why it makes him a weaker competitor[/B].[/QUOTE]
Who do you believe is a better competitor than CT? And make a case for it.
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Except...him getting into fights "here and there" gets him KICKED OFF THE COMPETITION ENTIRELY. If Michael Jordan got into so many fights that he was suspended from key games, he would a useless player and dead weight to his team. The fact that CT can't keep his emotions under control is a huge weakness and definitely knocks him down a few pegs. What keeps him from the upper echelon of Mark, Timmy, etc. is his lack of self control, to the point where it actually interferes with his ability to compete.
Don't get me wrong, CT is definitely one of the top competitors on the challenges. But I don't think it's a coincidence that he hasn't won a challenge yet (he could have won Inferno 3 and Duel 2 easily, if he hadn't gotten into those fights).
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You have to base it on what the competitors have done in the challenges [B]competition wise[/B], and he has outpreformed every single comeptitor expect for Mark and Alton(because they were never on a challenge together), this is a FACT. Him being a mental case, still doesn't take away his stats as a competitor, which actually shows what a great player he really was. Also winning challenges doesn't mean everything, as luck is involved most times.
[QUOTE=the_cactus;186326]Except...him getting into fights "here and there" gets him KICKED OFF THE COMPETITION ENTIRELY. If Michael Jordan got into so many fights that he was suspended from key games, he would a useless player and dead weight to his team. The fact that CT can't keep his emotions under control is a huge weakness and definitely knocks him down a few pegs. What keeps him from the upper echelon of Mark, Timmy, etc. is his lack of self control, to the point where it actually interferes with his ability to compete.
Don't get me wrong, CT is definitely one of the top competitors on the challenges. [B]But I don't think it's a coincidence that he hasn't won a challenge yet[/B] (he could have won Inferno 3 and Duel 2 easily, if he hadn't gotten into those fights).[/QUOTE]
Oh stop it already with the "CT hasn't won a Challenge" arguments. While I will concede that he almost certainly would have won Inferno 3 and quite possibly Duel 2 if not for the fighting, him not winning a Challenge is what we call an abherration. He was the best player on his teams in Inferno 1 and Inferno 2, but they were beaten by better teams. Gauntlet 3, best player again, and a teammate of his could not complete the final. His teams have held him back in the end. He said that had he not been DQ'd in Duel 1, he would have "smoked" Wes in the final, and "[Wes] knew it". I'm tired of people saying that CT can't be considered a top player because he's never won. That's a load of bull****. ****ty competitors (Katie, just to name one) have won these Challenges because they had a loaded team. CT has proven, time and time again, to be the most dominant physical player on the Challenges. Him not winning is mostly a fluke. He will win one if he decides to come back, which I'm hoping would be for the next Duel.
CT getting into fights is as much of a handicap to him as smoking is to Katie. She might make it to the end if all her team didn't see her as a liability.
[QUOTE=TLynn;186332]CT getting into fights is as much of a handicap to him as smoking is to Katie. She might make it to the end if all her team didn't see her as a liability.[/QUOTE]
How is that a handicap in the COMPETITIONS? Yes he wouldn't be able to compete, but if he did, he would be the top competitor. Again, what does him getting into fights have to do with his ability as a competitor?
This can go on forever and ever. Like Molds said, if you like a player enough you can make valid points as to why they are the best and in the top tier. I am not going into the whole CT debate, because it is poointless, and it just keeps going in circles.
Lets name some bad competitors. Everyone knows who's good, but which Males (who have done atleast 2 challenges) would you consider horrible:
Ace (he got lucky on I3 and he was well liked), Nick, Lattarian (L.T.), David B. (RW: New Orleans), Nehemia, Ryan (Although he did get better in challenges), Eric, Tyrie, Dan (RW: Miami) and Jon (RW: LA)
Females: Casey, Brooke, Shavoun, Colie, Cameron, Jisela, Amaya, Montana,Trishelle and Katie :( (but I think she Katie is awesome and plays one hell of a social game, I also think she can beat any one of the girls I listed, but she isn't physically strong or too athletic)
[QUOTE=Superboy;186334]How is that a handicap in the COMPETITIONS? Yes he wouldn't be able to compete, but if he did, he would be the top competitor. Again, what does him getting into fights have to do with his ability as a competitor?[/QUOTE]
You can't compete if you're not allowed to compete...
[QUOTE=Superboy;186318]Fine, but there is no doubt that my list is logical when basing it on what they've done in challenges.[/QUOTE]
Your list is logical, to you, because you made it. Sure it may be logical to some other people and some other people may agree with you, but you can't be 100% sure that EVERYONE will agree with you and your list. Some people base things differently. Some will say Landon dominated the Duel 2 but because Evan won at the end it proves Evan is better. Sure I don't agree with that statement but some people look at it that way. I have a very strong opinion about who is strong and who is not strong and I do state my opinion but I'm not going to stand here and say that "there is no doubt" I am right because you may not agree with me. You get what I, and practically everyone else is saying?
[QUOTE=Youssarian;186360]I don't think Nehemiah is a terrible competitor. He isn't amazing, but I don't think he's as bad as the other guys you have listed, CrazyRealityGuy.[/QUOTE]
I find your responce to be very... nice. Thank you! (If you're a guy it was very Gentlemen-y and if you're a girl it was very lady like). You didn't scream and go off on a rant saying my list sucked, blah, blah, blah. You disagreed in a respectful way and I respect that...
Anyway, I do agree Nehemia isn't as bad as some of the other guys... But I was trying to go through challenge history of people who were in atleast 2 challenges, and Nehemia ranked low on the list of people who are, in my opinion, bad. If I based it on a one episode appearance, my list would have been different. Karamo and Danny (RR: Xtreme) would be in there.
Nehemiah is not even close to being a weak competitor. As far as elimination rounds he's lost a strength-based contest to Eric (almost everyone would be afraid of something like that), won a Challenge, and lost to Evan in another very close strength/endurance-based contest when Evan was probably at his most "enhanced".
So he's not a super-strong guy... but he has other athletic qualities that make him a good competitor. And I consider him a good leader and strategist as well for his move against Evan.
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Debates about who is better between this-guy and that-guy are pointless. Were the Colts the best team last year? Maybe... but it doesn't matter because they didn't win when it counted. Most people only care about your record... which makes Darrell the all-time strongest Challenge competitor.
If we must talk about well-roundedness rather than wins, the social game has to be taken into account because it's probably the most important factor in the game before the Finals. Certain people (Wes) have been able to outlast better competitors week-to-week solely based on this factor.
[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;186342]This can go on forever and ever. Like Molds said, if you like a player enough you can make valid points as to why they are the best and in the top tier. I am not going into the whole CT debate, because it is poointless, and it just keeps going in circles.
Lets name some bad competitors. Everyone knows who's good, but which Males (who have done atleast 2 challenges) would you consider horrible:
Ace (he got lucky on I3 and he was well liked), Nick, Lattarian (L.T.), David B. (RW: New Orleans), Nehemia, Ryan (Although he did get better in challenges), Eric, Tyrie, Dan (RW: Miami) and Jon (RW: LA)
Females: Casey, Brooke, Shavoun, Colie, Cameron, Jisela, Amaya, Montana,Trishelle and Katie :( (but I think she Katie is awesome and plays one hell of a social game, I also think she can beat any one of the girls I listed, but she isn't physically strong or too athletic)[/QUOTE]
I'm not even sure I'd lump Trishelle with those girls. I personally can't stand her, but I remember her being a pretty good competitor. Not great of course; but at least middle of the road, which is still better than all those other girls listed :p.
Changing the subject just a bit, is there anybody you were surprised never did a challenge or did not do more challenges? I personally was always surprised we never saw Christina RW Paris, Patrick, Marybeth, Brynn, Philly Sarah, Will, or Trisha on a challenge (to name a few). I guess there's still time for some of them (namely Will and Trisha), but it seems unlikely.
Jamie from RW:NO is the only challenger that I'm aware of that has won all of his challenges when competing in more than 2, and he's won three. The next closest competitors would be Landon 3/4, and Darell 4/6. In my opinion, winning a Battle of the Sexes, Fresh Meat, or Duel means a little more for me than winning a Gauntlet, Inferno, Island, or Ruins.
CT never winning a challenge to me makes some sense to me. He obviously has the athletic prowess for these things, and isn't nearly as mentally lackluster as some people make him out to be. CT would have definitely won the Inferno 3 had he not punched Davis, he also would have had as good a chance as anyone at winning the Duel 2, had he not punched Adam. Although it's important to note that neither favorite for the Duel has ever won it (CT & Landon). Now would I consider CT the best challenger ever? No, but he's in the highest tier of challengers without a doubt to me.
[QUOTE=ClubSandwich;186398]Jamie from RW:NO is the only challenger that I'm aware of that has won all of his challenges when competing in more than 2, and he's won three. The next closest competitors would be Landon 3/4, and Darell 4/6. In my opinion, winning a Battle of the Sexes, Fresh Meat, or Duel means a little more for me than winning a Gauntlet, Inferno, Island, or Ruins.
CT never winning a challenge to me makes some sense to me. He obviously has the athletic prowess for these things, and isn't nearly as mentally lackluster as some people make him out to be. CT would have definitely won the Inferno 3 had he not punched Davis, he also would have had as good a chance as anyone at winning the Duel 2, had he not punched Adam. Although it's important to note that neither favorite for the Duel has ever won it (CT & Landon). Now would I consider CT the best challenger ever? No, but he's in the highest tier of challengers without a doubt to me.[/QUOTE]
Jodi, Dan (RR5), and Holly (RR6) all won 2/3 (same fraction as Darrell).
[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;186372]I find your responce to be very... nice. Thank you! (If you're a guy it was very Gentlemen-y and if you're a girl it was very lady like). You didn't scream and go off on a rant saying my list sucked, blah, blah, blah. You disagreed in a respectful way and I respect that...[/QUOTE]
Thank you! I'm a guy btw. I try to be nice =P
Another thing about Nehemiah is that I actually watched the episode of the Duel 2 where he was eliminated earlier today, and Evan really got on my nerves. He was telling Nehemiah he had no guts and stuff like that. UM, calling out the ringleader of the alliance, I'd call that pretty gutsy. After rewatching the Duel 2, I can't believe I actually liked Evan the first time around. He has a terrible attitude.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;185872]Champions vs. Challengers might be one-sided, but not rookies vs. vets. In G2, Rookies killed it, while in G3 they got steamrolled.[/QUOTE]
Correction: G3 they got steamrolled on challenges where they won no money. They ended up taking the final, and all the money. So, in a way...they steamrolled the vets.
[QUOTE=Superboy;186329]Who do you believe is a better competitor than CT? And make a case for it. [/QUOTE]
If you're talking strictly physical performance, then no. CT probably is the top dog and will smoke everyone else at almost everything...maybe not specific things that certain people are good at, like beating Kenny at wrestling or Wes at swimming, but other than that, yes, he's probably the best. However, there's no point in being a beast if you can't follow the rules and keep yourself from getting DQ'ed. For example, on The Duel, there was the challenge where in the second part, they had to run to ten poles and back, starting with the first, and CT decided to start with the last. He would have won because he had the physical strength, but clearly didn't have his head in the game. Yes, CT ultimately beat Evan in a Duel, but then he lost to Brad because again, he got DQ'ed. It was a lame DQ, but it happened before and he should have known better by then to make sure it didn't happen to him. He smoked Brad; he would have been strong enough to hold the log while unclipping the flag instead of just ripping it off.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;185872]Champions vs. Challengers might be one-sided, but not rookies vs. vets. In G2, Rookies killed it, while in G3 they got steamrolled.[/QUOTE]
I feel as though Champions vs Challengers wouldn't be so one sided if they had two appropriately divided teams, unlike last challenge. There's still some good players out there that haven't won a thing. Shame BMP is shackled by who agrees to do a specific challenge.
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