Fresh Meat II: Episode 9

Darock, to be fair.. we don't know what TJ did or didn't say to Johnny. Just because it wasn't edited in... doesn't mean it didn't happen. Perhaps we have some biased editors on our hands.

[QUOTE=Darock1713;182018]TJ is a hypocrite. Last night is exactly the reason why I have issue with him. Why didn't he show the same disdain when Johnny, Evan, Kenny and his other buddies mistreat people. When Abram "quit" The Island, TJ didn't call him out like he did Evelyn on the Ruins. When Johnny lost his key to Evelyn and dropped it during the handover, TJ said nothing, and it was tasteless.There are several other instances where he has choose to select his commentary in a biased fashion. My advise to TJ is that he needs to be consistant whatever his stance is. Evelyn did nothing except she did not want to be bothered after a tough & emotional loss. What's wrong with that? Luke in fact needs to have a more competitive attitude, and yes the kid is responsible for their loss. As for the rest of the episode, I thought it was hilarous, esp Ryan and Jenn making comments like , they worked very hard and deserved to be there. They did nothing, sans Moor (who is actually an OK competitor). As for them 2 being in the last exile is just fitting. They didn't realize until the very end that they at best case would have to compete against a strong team or each other. Had they voted differently a few weeks back, they may have had a fighting chance to take out a Wes or Danny in the last exile and compete with each other for 2nd or 3rd place in the Final. now, the 2 weakest teams have to go in, after having just complete a challenge, and then the winner has to look forward to about 12 hours of rest before they compete in the Final. Meanwhile the others 3 teams which are much stronger are at rest. This assures that neither one of them regardless of the exile when end up with nothing. I feel bad for Noor because he is decent, I wish he was with Ev instead of Jenn. Nevertheless, I am hoping to see the disgust on the faces of either Jenn or Ryan after the exile, and either Jenn or Ryan next week when they get nothing for what I believe is a recipe for a dismal fourth place finish. I am glad that they added the twist and finally decided the last elimination based on actual merit. Even better, the fact that Jenn and Noor lost to Jillian and Pete by 2 seconds is all in part because of Theresa manhandling Jenn at the last stop of the obstacle course. As bad as Jillian did against Laurel, Jenn had no excuse against Theresa. In addition, the order they choose was horrible. They should have had Landon preceed Kenny not Pete. Pete is too weak and no match for Landon.Landon is too strong. I really don't think Kenny had a chance in the defender either after seeing Noor manhandle him. As for Ryan, he just quit at the end. He got what he deserved after a season of lies and treacheoury(msp)[/QUOTE] Biiiiiiiiig difference between Abram on the island and all the other quitters, he had a key, he wanted to go home, yet he still went into another challenge which he didnt even have to, and even when he pleaded to be sent home, he said he would stay if they voted him to stay. He let his leaving be left in the hands of the people, he didnt just pack up and leave. **** he earned his quitting by doing the ring wrestle with Derrick and Johnny. And it is so Evelyn's fault they lost cause she didnt wanna do the **** puzzle. Landon was doing it by himself, had her and Luke done it they would've finished it and won it without a shadow of a doubt. Her whole I can beat anyone one on one is stupid..she's only beaten Casey of all people one on one, she could've shown what she had in Gaunlet 3, she was all for Coral leaving but she didnt dare step into a Gaunlet with her or anyone else for that matter, instead they had to backstab the best social player (coral) in the game at the moment for Evelyn to just eliminate worthless Casey. People talk about Evan or what not..but at least he proved himself in the Duel, and Kenny has proven himself here on FM2, people may say its all Laurel, but if thats the case then Evelyn and Luke would've won every single time.

[QUOTE=Entropy;182036]Biiiiiiiiig difference between Abram on the island and all the other quitters, he had a key, he wanted to go home, yet he still went into another challenge which he didnt even have to, and even when he pleaded to be sent home, he said he would stay if they voted him to stay. He let his leaving be left in the hands of the people, he didnt just pack up and leave. **** he earned his quitting by doing the ring wrestle with Derrick and Johnny. And it is so Evelyn's fault they lost cause she didnt wanna do the **** puzzle. Landon was doing it by himself, had her and Luke done it they would've finished it and won it without a shadow of a doubt. Her whole I can beat anyone one on one is stupid..she's only beaten Casey of all people one on one, she could've shown what she had in Gaunlet 3, she was all for Coral leaving but she didnt dare step into a Gaunlet with her or anyone else for that matter, instead they had to backstab the best social player (coral) in the game at the moment for Evelyn to just eliminate worthless Casey. People talk about Evan or what not..but at least he proved himself in the Duel, and Kenny has proven himself here on FM2, people may say its all Laurel, but if thats the case then Evelyn and Luke would've won every single time.[/QUOTE] Bravooooo.

I think Wes' attitude might be rubbing off on Evelyn. She showed an extremely cocky attitude which was just dumb. It wasn't so bad that she was crying so hard because we've seen people cry from losing but I don't think she was treating Luke right and I was really happy TJ called her out on it. There have been times when I thought he didn't need to stick his nose into the situation but this was one I'm glad he did. She didn't have the balls (or they didn't show it) to say anything to TJ. Instead she crawls into her confessional and says it there. It was good TJ stood up for Luke too. Maybe TJ didn't say anything to Wes on the first FM with Casey was because Wes didn't lose an exile. After seeing how bad it was during an exile, imagine how bad it would have been if they lost one.

I think Wes would've used Casey like a lawn dart if they had lost.

[QUOTE=Entropy;182036]And it is so Evelyn's fault they lost cause she didnt wanna do the **** puzzle. Landon was doing it by himself, had her and Luke done it they would've finished it and won it without a shadow of a doubt.[/QUOTE] I don't think that is true at all. Ev and Luke ended up losing by 2 minutes. That means that assuming both teams traveled at the same exact pace for the last leg Landon and Carley already had a 7 minute lead on them when Ev decided not to do the puzzle. If they did choose to do the puzzle they would have had to of completed it a minimum of 2 minutes faster than Landon did. If they could have done this then yes her and Luke would have won. Now from the footage we saw it looked like Landon and Carley were traveling much slower than Ev and Luke did during the last leg, which makes me believe that Landon and Carley actually had a much bigger lead when they got to the puzzle. Ev probably knew this and assumed correctly in my opinion that their best bet was to hustle to the finish line and hope that Carley's fatigue and Landon having to do the puzzle on his own would slow them down enough that their lead would be eliminated. We don't know how long it would have taken them to do the puzzle so we can't automatically assume that they would have finished it in the same time or less than Landon did. Ev knew this and made her choice for the team. I can also excuse her "tantrum" at the end and chalk it up to fatigue, just look how out of it Carley was, annoyance with her partner for what you could say cost them them the extra 2 minutes in the beginning from stopping so much, and feeling like she was so close to the end and now it was all gone. I think TJ was out of line if he reacted that way only to what we saw. It was someone who was very competitive and tired reacting to just losing. Ev wasn't even close to some other competitors in the way she treated Luke. She basically just told him to go away and hardly even yelled at him during the Exile. I think we have all seen much worse than that.

If Luke felt that Ev was out of line, he should've been the one to call Ev out. He's a man. He can speak up for himself. He's her partner not T.J. He's the host. He should just shut the heck up and do his job and not stick his nose in someone's business. He's probably afraid the guys would beat the **** out of him if he pulled something like that with them.

Yeah but her attitude that it was all Luke's fault was totally wrong. Maybe they would've finished the puzzle in time, or maybe not, but that choice rested entirely on Evelyn so thats why I blame her. At least Luke wanted to try, and who knows what would've happen.

As I said, Luke should've said something then, not T.J. T.J. had no idea what went on during their exile, so he should not have stuck his nose in it.

[QUOTE=Entropy;182036] And it is so Evelyn's fault they lost cause she didnt wanna do the **** puzzle. Landon was doing it by himself, had her and Luke done it they would've finished it and won it without a shadow of a doubt. Her whole I can beat anyone one on one is stupid..she's only beaten Casey of all people one on one, she could've shown what she had in Gaunlet 3, she was all for Coral leaving but she didnt dare step into a Gaunlet with her or anyone else for that matter, instead they had to backstab the best social player (coral) in the game at the moment for Evelyn to just eliminate worthless Casey. People talk about Evan or what not..but at least he proved himself in the Duel, and Kenny has proven himself here on FM2, people may say its all Laurel, but if thats the case then Evelyn and Luke would've won every single time.[/QUOTE] Not doing the puzzle was actually smarter because it actually saved them time. Hoping Landon would take 2 mins slower was a smart risk...but one that didn't work out. As for not beating anyone in a one-on-one...are you kidding me? She not only beat Casey...she MANHANDLED her. And the way you describe Coral's elimination on G3 is completely wrong. Evelyn WANTED Coral. Not Casey. But Coral was too scared to be embarrassed against Ev that she quit on her own. Casey was forced into that Gauntlet. And did you not watch the Island? She defeated TWO MEN in a faceoff (Tyrie and Dan)...and then went on to defeat THREE OTHERS in a faceoff (Johanna, KellyAnne, and Dan). Then lets travel to the Ruins where she would have beaten KellyAnne again had she actually tried. Saying Evelyn is not a proven one-on-one player is absolutely ridiculous.

Buck, isn't not that she's unproven but I think she isn't as proven as she thinks she is. Sure she has beat some people, but do you think Tyrie and Dan are good... at all? Evelyn is great, no doubt about it, but her attitude is just now as bad as Wes'.

[QUOTE=faceless;182067]Buck, isn't not that she's unproven but I think she isn't as proven as she thinks she is. Sure she has beat some people, but do you think Tyrie and Dan are good... at all? Evelyn is great, no doubt about it, but her attitude is just now as bad as Wes'.[/QUOTE] I agree that she was a little whiny last night...but I think TJ was actually more out of line than she was. Plus, Tyrie and Dan aren't that good compared to other guys but I think it says a lot that a girl (Evelyn) could beat them.

With Evelyn's knowledge arriving at the puzzle she knows that the reward for completion is 5 minutes off your total time. So logically, if they can complete the puzzle in less than 5 minutes they will be saving time. Considering that it is a ball maze they should have done it. Its a pretty easy puzzle as we see Landon was able to complete it in less than 5 minutes by himself. She made the wrong decision.

[QUOTE=SurferZ;182071]With Evelyn's knowledge arriving at the puzzle she knows that the reward for completion is 5 minutes off your total time. So logically, if they can complete the puzzle in less than 5 minutes they will be saving time. Considering that it is a ball maze they should have done it. Its a pretty easy puzzle as we see Landon was able to complete it in less than 5 minutes by himself. She made the wrong decision.[/QUOTE] What proof do we have that Landon took less than 5 minutes? Landon very well could have been at the puzzle for more than 3 minutes before Evelyn. He arrived at the puzzle before Evelyn...and arrived at the finish line 2 or 3 minutes after her. That's all we know.

[QUOTE=Buck05;182072]What proof do we have that Landon took less than 5 minutes? Landon very well could have been at the puzzle for more than 3 minutes before Evelyn. He arrived at the puzzle before Evelyn...and arrived at the finish line 2 or 3 minutes after her. That's all we know.[/QUOTE] Your point is correct. But it's a ball maze come on. It's cut and dry and simple. I'm pretty sure its a less then 5 minute puzzle.

[QUOTE=SurferZ;182075]Your point is correct. But it's a ball maze come on. It's cut and dry and simple. I'm pretty sure its a less then 5 minute puzzle.[/QUOTE] I doubt a puzzle that takes less than 5 minutes rewards you with a 5 minute time deduction.

[QUOTE=Buck05;182077]I doubt a puzzle that takes less than 5 minutes rewards you with a 5 minute time deduction.[/QUOTE] I can believe it cause what would be the point of spending 5 min to do a puzzle that takes off 5 min of time at the end.

[QUOTE=faceless;182079]I can believe it cause what would be the point of spending 5 min to do a puzzle that takes off 5 min of time at the end.[/QUOTE] Point taken. Maybe that's where Ev went wrong. Thought it'd take longer and figured it was pointless.

Ev's a vet at these challenges and took a calculated risk by not doing the puzzle based on that experience. It's easy to play Monday morning quarterback now. I'm sure she did too.

[QUOTE=faceless;182067]Buck, isn't not that she's unproven but I think she isn't as proven as she thinks she is. Sure she has beat some people, but do you think Tyrie and Dan are good... at all? Evelyn is great, no doubt about it, but her attitude is just now as bad as Wes'.[/QUOTE] Entropy, Bottom line, Evelyn's closing statements last night were well said. One on one, I don't think anyone can beat her. As far as G3, I was disappointed that Coral didn't take her on because I think Coral depending on the Gauntlet could have had a chance in a Force Field or Ram it Home scenario. As far as Evelyn being responsible for their loss, I call (uso - Japanese for BS) because the fact is Landon's lead was based on Luke's lack there of. Evelyn is a girl for ****** sakes, and yet she was driving the pace, and Luke was lagging. Her not doing the puzzle was the ONLY shot they had at winning because they were so far behind. In addition, I don't think there was any significant advantage (perhaps a slight one) if 2 people were doing the puzzle as opposed to one. As far as TJ's behavior, I'll say it again, he has in the past shown bias. For TJ to make any comments outside of mediating an event would definitely get the proper edit because it's not normal. It wasn't his place to comment on Evelyn's disgust for losing. She was upset due to the loss. When Johnny slammed her key, there was nothing said - edit or not. In addition, I think Evelyn's competitive attitude over all else is warranted. She was treated like **** by the very people you mention on both The Island and The Ruins. Same for Wes. I'd have an attitude too in future challenges if I was treated as horribly as they were. I'd like to see how others would respond if they had to take on each other early in the game. Or if they were constantly ridiculed, attacked, and the target of elimination.

[QUOTE=Darock1713;182087]Entropy, Bottom line, Evelyn's closing statements last night were well said. One on one, I don't think anyone can beat her. As far as G3, I was disappointed that Coral didn't take her on because I think Coral depending on the Gauntlet could have had a chance in a Force Field or Ram it Home scenario. As far as Evelyn being responsible for their loss, I call (uso - Japanese for BS) because the fact is Landon's lead was based on Luke's lack there of. Evelyn is a girl for ****** sakes, and yet she was driving the pace, and Luke was lagging. Her not doing the puzzle was the ONLY shot they had at winning because they were so far behind. In addition, I don't think there was any significant advantage (perhaps a slight one) if 2 people were doing the puzzle as opposed to one. As far as TJ's behavior, I'll say it again, he has in the past shown bias. For TJ to make any comments outside of mediating an event would definitely get the proper edit because it's not normal. It wasn't his place to comment on Evelyn's disgust for losing. She was upset due to the loss. When Johnny slammed her key, there was nothing said - edit or not. In addition, I think Evelyn's competitive attitude over all else is warranted. She was treated like **** by the very people you mention on both The Island and The Ruins. Same for Wes. I'd have an attitude too in future challenges if I was treated as horribly as they were. I'd like to see how others would respond if they had to take on each other early in the game. Or if they were constantly ridiculed, attacked, and the target of elimination.[/QUOTE] Well frickin said. Well frickin said. Ev's attitude is very well warranted. She's constantly a target -- whether or not it being out of respect by those who feel she's a great competitor or whether people just don't like her...she's constantly on the chopping block. She gets a temper during missions, yes, but I see absolutely zero proof that she is not a friendly person when people are just hanging out. She usually is the one sitting there taking all the BS from everyone else. She handles it like an adult and doesn't resort to childish behavior and arguments. As for Kenny and crew, they may be "nice" to some...but they are the ones who resort to childish behavior and sit there and make fun of Evelyn the entire time. If I were Ev, I'd have an attitude too. I never once see her mocking Kenny or anyone else for that matter. She likes to handle it all on the playing field. Winning is everything to her because it's not like she can say, "oh I didn't win but I at least got to spend a month with these people. I love them all!" She doesn't come on a challenge to have fun and hang out...but who would in her shoes? Everyone there (well mostly everyone) usually treats her like ****.

I love what TJ said to Evelyn. She had absolutely no reason to talk that way to Luke. She's the one that didn't want to do the puzzle. I respect Luke more for not saying anything to her because if he flipped out on her people probably would have called him a jerk. I'm really starting to dislike Evelyn more and more with every challenge she is on. To me it seems like she feels things should just go her way. In my opinion she totally deserved what TJ said to her. Should it have come from Luke? Probably, but I think he's too nice of a guy to say anything to anyone.

Wow. Really glad to see TJ opened his mouth on the Challenge (wait, WHAT?!) haha :P Evelyn deserved to be told that. Her arrogance at the end of the episode is just making me dislike her even more. Don't be a sore loser, accept the fact you lost and move on. It's [B]a show[/B] with money, [B]not your real life[/B]. Right?

[QUOTE=andreww.1993;182182]Wow. Really glad to see TJ opened his mouth on the Challenge (wait, WHAT?!) haha :P Evelyn deserved to be told that. Her arrogance at the end of the episode is just making me dislike her even more. Don't be a sore loser, accept the fact you lost and move on. It's [B]a show[/B] with money, [B]not your real life[/B]. Right?[/QUOTE] leave my Ev alone! lol

Yeah Ev was acting like a child in my opinion. I understand the emotion over being eliminated because things are high stakes in a game with so much cash involved but I thought throwing Luke under the bus was a bit childish. Luke was a positive partner to have in the game because he didn't dwell on the negative.

Am I the only one who thinks Jill has zero personality this season? Probably a terrible edit on production's part...

Wow, how early does it get dark in BC? They went to the challenge at 11 am. Each team took about a half an hour on it. Sure there's time in between to reset everything like the walls they had to break down and logs to carry, but it was completely dark for Jenn and Noor.

[QUOTE=Wilderwolf;182694]Wow, how early does it get dark in BC? They went to the challenge at 11 am. Each team took about a half an hour on it. Sure there's time in between to reset everything like the walls they had to break down and logs to carry, but it was completely dark for Jenn and Noor.[/QUOTE] They said be ready to go by 11am, correct? The challenge could have been quite a ways away.

[QUOTE=JennHas2Ns;182294]Am I the only one who thinks Jill has zero personality this season? Probably a terrible edit on production's part...[/QUOTE] Jillian hasn't ever really been the type to have her personality sparkle on these shows, IMO. But to some of us, she doesn't seem to be into competing too much this season, so if that's what you mean, then, yeah, some people agree with you.

[QUOTE=Wilderwolf;182694]Wow, how early does it get dark in BC? They went to the challenge at 11 am. Each team took about a half an hour on it. Sure there's time in between to reset everything like the walls they had to break down and logs to carry, but it was completely dark for Jenn and Noor.[/QUOTE] They weren't resetting it in between, they were resetting it as the teams did it. If you watch Kenny and Laurel you can see in their opening sprint that everything they're running past is still smashed up from the team before them. Also they every other group was moving the logs in the opposite direction. TJ said they had to move them "from one zone to the other", which means no reset time.