Fresh Meat II: Episode 9

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[QUOTE=Wilderwolf;182694]Wow, how early does it get dark in BC? They went to the challenge at 11 am. Each team took about a half an hour on it. Sure there's time in between to reset everything like the walls they had to break down and logs to carry, but it was completely dark for Jenn and Noor.[/QUOTE] I live aroudn Whistler, and in the autumn it starts getting dark around five. Assuming it took them an hour or more to drive to it from the house, the timing makes sense.
It's all well and good to accuse Evelyn of being too emotional at the end of that Exile. But how many of you have pushed yourself physically until you have NOTHING left to leave, and then finding out that it still wasn't good enough? And to be such a competitive person it means even more. And then be told that it's not a big deal and you did what you could? Luke may have been trying to make her feel better, but he doesn't understand her mindset and he was only making her feel worse. Believe me, when you're dead tired and disappointed in yourself, there's no holding back feelings or tears, and I know this from personal experience. I can't fault her for taking it hard.
I'm not upset about that fact. I can understand that. I'm upset about the fact that in the interview she blamed losing COMPLETELY on Luke. It's not COMPLETELY his fault. It may have been partly his fault, but Evelyn had some part in the loss too. She was being unfair and a sore loser.
[QUOTE=Youssarian;182976]I'm not upset about that fact. I can understand that. I'm upset about the fact that in the interview she blamed losing COMPLETELY on Luke. It's not COMPLETELY his fault. It may have been partly his fault, but Evelyn had some part in the loss too. She was being unfair and a sore loser.[/QUOTE] Luke could have complained about her throughout the season - the reason they got thrown in was completely due to Evelyn and had nothing to do with Luke. A piece everyone is missing about that puzzle is that by stopping for 2 or 3 minutes to do the puzzle (or even 5 minutes) to get 5 minutes taken off their time, is also giving them a rest, that would have given them additional energy and strength through the last part of the challenge.....bad decision on Evelyn's part but she is too stubborn to listen to her partner.
I agree with that part-blaming it ALL on her partner isn't fair. As for the puzzle, it was a risk. Maybe it would pay off, maybe it wouldn't. As I said before, she very well been thinking of the puzzle from FM I that took as long to finish as it gave time at the end. And Landon and Carley were close enough that even if Ev HAD done the puzzle, they STILL might not have won.
This episode made sense possibly more so than any other Challenge episode I've ever seen. 1) Every day of challenge (before the "elimination" events) should be something completely grueling like this obstacle course was and leave the competitors with nothing imo (They are competing for an individual prize of $100,000; I want to see more from these people than a bit of swimming and piecing together a puzzle ffs!). 2) The method of determining which 2 were up for elimination was PERFECT. Would it be asking too much to see an entire Challenge with the bottom 2 from the day event being sent into the elimination round? It would completely eliminate the need to scheme and the viewers wouldn't have to sit through several minutes of JEK or Wes/Ev or the mooks discussing crap about who to send in, the very stuff most of us tend to hate about these shows. The producers could use that precious airtime instead to show us more of the cast interactions during "downtime" which would be great.
[QUOTE=Aereas;183590]This episode made sense possibly more so than any other Challenge episode I've ever seen. 1) Every day of challenge (before the "elimination" events) should be something completely grueling like this obstacle course was and leave the competitors with nothing imo (They are competing for an individual prize of $100,000; I want to see more from these people than a bit of swimming and piecing together a puzzle ffs!). 2) The method of determining the which 2 were up for elimination was PERFECT. Would it be asking too much to see an entire Challenge with the bottom 2 from the day event being sent into the elimination round? It would completely eliminate the need to scheme and the viewers wouldn't have to sit through several minutes of JEK or Wes/Ev or the mooks discussing crap about who to send in, the very stuff most of us tend to hate about these shows. The producers could use that precious airtime instead to show us more of the cast interactions during "downtime" which would be great.[/QUOTE] I agree with both of these points. Oh and I understand that Evelyn was upset but that doesn't excuse her from just blaming it all on Luke. And I think that after this episode TJ needs to be fired. And as far as the exile...It's tough for me because I want to see Jenn loose but I want to see Noor go to the end. Ryan and Theresa I don't care about at all.
Ev needs to chill out. You lost, it wasn't ALL Luke's fault. And it's also not Luke's fault that you got thrown into Exile 3 times. After they won their first Exile, Ev had nothing but great things to say about Luke and was all "I'm so happy you're my partner." Hopefully we don't see Ev on the shows for awhile, I'm sick of her attitude and her constant flip-flopping. Kenny mentioning that he's never seen sportsmanship like this on a Challenge? Maybe it's because you and your cronies have been so busy creating an unsportsmanlike environment over the last few years. I also love the premise of sending in the bottom two teams. It's the fairest way to do things and I would also support having an entire Challenge based around bottom 2 facing off in elimination every time. Both these teams are going to have a difficult time in this Exile, since Weight For Me seems more skewed toward bigger guys, and Ryan and Noor are the two smallest guys left. They will both have their hands full, but I think Jenn and Noor are a better team and should prevail. God I hope Landon wins it all. Finally we get to see him beasting it up in a mission, tossing Ryan around and lugging those logs. And he's been a great partner to Carley. This final mission looks like it could be the most epic one yet.
I used to respect Ev as a player and I felt bad for her on the Island, But she has become just as bad as everyone else. During this challenge, I really saw how conceited, stuck up and hypocritical she really is. She definitely has to be the sorest loser ever to play the game. You lost******* up and move on. It isn't life, it's a game, and it wasn't Luke's fault. I really hope the next challenge she is on, she gets taken out quickly.
[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;183631]I used to respect Ev as a player and I felt bad for her on the Island, But she has become just as bad as everyone else. During this challenge, I really saw how conceited, stuck up and hypocritical she really is. She definitely has to be the sorest loser ever to play the game. You lost******* up and move on. [B]It isn't life, it's a game[/B], and it wasn't Luke's fault. I really hope the next challenge she is on, she gets taken out quickly.[/QUOTE] It may just be a game but with the grand prize being $100,000 I'd say that could be life changing. If she reacted like that after losing out on a prize like those watches, then yes I would say she is a sore loser. Yet if I was in her position and I felt my partner didn't push hard enough and had cost us the 2 minutes then I would have reacted exactly the same if not worse. The only time she blamed him was in the confessional/interview and that was probably a soundbite the production wanted. The only thing she did right after the loss was tell Luke to leave her alone, I really don't see how that is so horrible and worthy or TJ's lashing. $100,000 is a lot especially in this economy and I think it is worth taking the game seriously.
[QUOTE=tatertots;183636]It may just be a game but with the grand prize being $100,000 I'd say that could be life changing. If she reacted like that after losing out on a prize like those watches, then yes I would say she is a sore loser. Yet if I was in her position and I felt my partner didn't push hard enough and had cost us the 2 minutes then I would have reacted exactly the same if not worse. The only time she blamed him was in the confessional/interview and that was probably a soundbite the production wanted. The only thing she did right after the loss was tell Luke to leave her alone, I really don't see how that is so horrible and worthy or TJ's lashing. $100,000 is a lot especially in this economy and I think it is worth taking the game seriously.[/QUOTE] I never said it's not worth taking seriously. It is. But I think she acted like a sore loser and took it one step beyond. Who throws rocks and falls to the ground in tears, not wanting to talk to anyone? think about it, it's like a 10 year old, getting out in kickball. I don't think she is horrible, but blaming it on her partner just isn't right. She said it herself, the reason she acted the way she did was because she hates losing, not because she needs the money. Why didn't she listen to him and stop to do the puzzle? You are only as strong as your partner. The puzzle could have been the difference. She was acting holier than thou, in the beginning when she thought she was ruling the game, but once the table turned, she was going crazy. Did you not see her running on the porch back and forth like a beast before they left for the exile? thats a bit psychotic. Than throwing rocks when she lost? Honestly? She was treating her partner like crap. "Just don't talk to me" the dude felt bad enough, hasn't she learned anything from The Island? She should know not to treat a person the way she was treated. We all know she doesn't need the money, it was pride, and she took it too far.
[QUOTE=CrazyRealityGuy;183643]Who throws rocks and falls to the ground in tears, not wanting to talk to anyone? think about it, it's like a 10 year old, getting out in kickball.[/QUOTE] People who are exhausted and frustrated and are trying not to take their anger out on others. [QUOTE]Did you not see her running on the porch back and forth like a beast before they left for the exile? thats a bit psychotic.[/QUOTE] Or ya know it's called stretching and warming up so she wouldn't get hurt during an exhaustive Exile that was about to take place in the dark, cold, damp night. [QUOTE]Than throwing rocks when she lost? Honestly? She was treating her partner like crap. "Just don't talk to me" the dude felt bad enough[/QUOTE] Again, how is telling someone to "not talk to me" really that bad? Isn't that Ev trying to avoid saying something she may regret? I would call that being considerate and not wanting to take your feelings out on someone else. What is so wrong about wanting to be alone with your feelings and catch a breath and regroup after a tough loss and a physically exhausting challenge? Maybe I am missing something here but after many tough losses in my years of sports I would want to be left alone from time to time and no one called me a sore loser. [QUOTE]I don't think she is horrible, but blaming it on her partner just isn't right. She said it herself, the reason she acted the way she did was because she hates losing, not because she needs the money...We all know she doesn't need the money, it was pride, and she took it too far.[/QUOTE] Like I said, she didn't blame Luke right after the race and treated him decently from what we saw during the Exile especially compared to how other cast members coughWescough have treated partners in the past. Maybe your view is different but I don't think she deserved the snide remark from TJ or this angry reaction people seem to be having. I must have missed the part where Ev said she was a millionaire and was only there to have fun. I'm pretty positive she had a talk with Luke earlier where she apologized to him and said that it wasn't a game to her and that she was there to win the money. He even said he understood and that they just react differently since for him it was more about the experience and the money was just the icing on the cake.
I'll second tatertots posts. I definitely see where Evelyn was coming from...and she did NOT deserve ANY sort of reaction from TJ. That was not his place to say anything and I've seen people get treated WAY worse in other challenges (like Evelyn on the Island or Casey on Fresh Meat 1) and he never says a thing. Christmas would come early for me if Mark Long would finally take over for him.
I am not here to argue with you. Obviously you like Ev and are trying to protect her name which is admirable. I am just stating my opinion on how I think she changed, and how I think she acted like a sore loser. Just because she didn't blame Luke right there, I think it's just as bad blaming the loss solely on him, later on in her confessional. I don't think anyone should blame the entire loss on their partner, especially if someone says they are a team player. I personally think that is poor sportsmanship. Again I am just stating my opinion, I am not here to argue with you. You think the way she acted was completely rational, than that is cool and I accept your opinion, because that is YOUR opinion and how you feel.
TJ browbeats people for quitting & not taking the game seriously & he belittles them if they rightfully get upset at losing the day before the final. What an idiot.
He didn't say that to Evelyn because she was upset that she lost, but because of the way she treated Luke. And maybe she didn't say anything negative about him right after the Exile, but maybe she did and it just wasn't shown on tv. But even if she didn't, she treated Luke poorly in the last 2 challenges so TJ's comment might have been based on that as well. All in all, I hope to see Evelyn as less as possible the coming years, she just comes over like some psychotic human being to me. I know that is a harsh thing to say, but she just has a face like she's ready to kill someone.
[QUOTE=Aereas;183590]2) The method of determining which 2 were up for elimination was PERFECT. Would it be asking too much to see an entire Challenge with the bottom 2 from the day event being sent into the elimination round? It would completely eliminate the need to scheme and the viewers wouldn't have to sit through several minutes of JEK or Wes/Ev or the mooks discussing crap about who to send in, the very stuff most of us tend to hate about these shows. The producers could use that precious airtime instead to show us more of the cast interactions during "downtime" which would be great.[/QUOTE] Have to disagree here. Much of the drama comes from the schemes and strategies, dealing with avoiding the strong competitors as well as saving weaker ones to buff your chances. If the show went all out for athletics, many Real Worlders would have zero chance to succeed and would never come back a second time, if even a debut. [QUOTE=DerrickFTW;183680]He didn't say that to Evelyn because she was upset that she lost, but because of the way she treated Luke.[/QUOTE] Except for MTV screwed up big time and didn't show her saying or doing anything vicious or mean to Luke at all...which made him look like a jerk kicking a girl while she's down.
[QUOTE=Xeri99;183698]Have to disagree here. Much of the drama comes from the schemes and strategies, dealing with avoiding the strong competitors as well as saving weaker ones to buff your chances. If the show went all out for athletics, many Real Worlders would have zero chance to succeed and would never come back a second time, if even a debut. [/QUOTE] As I've stated in other threads, I don't really want a nighttime soap (I have TRW proper for that). I just want American Gladiators starring my favorite RW cast members and the occasional emotional meltdown like Evelyn apparently had the night she was eliminated, as long as it was competition-based and not bullying-based. I highly doubt many of these people who do the shows think they have a chance in hell now, with the way things are generally run by the most athletic people anyway. They're probably just in it for the same reason Luke was, which is fine by me. An occasional Hercules vs Mook steamroll is fun to watch too.
Whether or not skipping the puzzle was smarter is just a question of simple math. Subtract the amount they lost by from 5:00 min and that's the time they wold have needed to complete the maze within So if they lost by 2 mins, could they have done the puzzle in under 3 mins? One thing Ev probably wasn't aware of was how bad of a time Carley was having by that time. Had Ev known that, she might have realized she wasn't as far behind as they appeared. I applaud TJ for the comment. Other losing teams had someone to blame (Paula blaming Jeff, Mandy blaming Wes, Darrell on Cara **********, but they acted like good sports and waited until confessional to voice their displeasure. Message to Ev: Every week someone has lost a shot at $100,000, and all wee disappointed, get over yourself. Landon had a weaker partner than you but OVERCAME that obstacle much better and therefore served to win.
[QUOTE=Morgan;183738] I applaud TJ for the comment. Other losing teams had someone to blame (Paula blaming Jeff, Mandy blaming Wes, Darrell on Cara **********, but they acted like good sports and waited until confessional to voice their displeasure. [/QUOTE] Again, WHERE at the end of that Exile did Ev tell Luke it was his fault? She took it hard and asked him to leave her alone. She didn't go on to say it was all his fault. She, too, waited until her confessional to say that. And in the Dailies, she apologized to Landon and Carley about her behavior right there, and told them that she was happy for them and genuinely felt bad about crying. I said it before, and I'll say it again. When you're dead tired and gave everything you had, sometimes tears are all you have left.
I think it is probably Evelyn's history of unsportsmanlike behavior that prompted the comment - she is a brat when things don't go her way - throwing an elimination to Kelly Anne, her big speech on the Island, blaming this on Luke - I just watched the Gauntlet final challenge and when they called the medics for Easy everyone else seemed concerned - her comment was "he deceived us throughout this challenge into thinking he could do it and now he is costing me $50,000." So classy.
[QUOTE=feminthea;183887]"he deceived us throughout this challenge into thinking he could do it and now he is costing me $50,000." So classy.[/QUOTE] But she's right. They asked him multiple times if he'd be good, which kept his butt out of eliminations. The interview was probably filmed after she new he was fine.
It could have been editing - you are right.
[QUOTE=feminthea;183887]I think it is probably Evelyn's history of unsportsmanlike behavior that prompted the comment - she is a brat when things don't go her way - throwing an elimination to Kelly Anne, [B]her big speech on the Island, [/B]blaming this on Luke - I just watched the Gauntlet final challenge and when they called the medics for Easy everyone else seemed concerned - her comment was "he deceived us throughout this challenge into thinking he could do it and now he is costing me $50,000." So classy.[/QUOTE] Say what you want about unsportsmanlike behavior, but the verbal abuse and harassment she had to tolerate on the Island was ridiculous and went far beyond anything that was ever necessary in a game. They attacked her on a personal level for what appeared to be no other reason than being bullies, and anyone else will agree. It wasn't just about "not going her way", it was about treating someone worse than dog **** for no reason.
[QUOTE=Xeri99;183698]Have to disagree here. Much of the drama comes from the schemes and strategies, dealing with avoiding the strong competitors as well as saving weaker ones to buff your chances. If the show went all out for athletics, many Real Worlders would have zero chance to succeed and would never come back a second time, if even a debut. [/QUOTE] But the Drama on this show hasn't been good in awhile anyways. So they might as well focus on atheltics.
[QUOTE=Moonpaw;183937]Say what you want about unsportsmanlike behavior, but the verbal abuse and harassment she had to tolerate on the Island was ridiculous and went far beyond anything that was ever necessary in a game. They attacked her on a personal level for what appeared to be no other reason than being bullies, and anyone else will agree. It wasn't just about "not going her way", it was about treating someone worse than dog **** for no reason.[/QUOTE] Not to mention, in some of the Dailies, Kenny calling her a dumb*****, ******* and retard every five seconds. Sarah/Vinny going off on her, Jenn/Ryan turning on her, Pete spewing how much he doesn't like her in the dailies and Laurel coat tailing Kenny, I don't know how the girl stayed so calm. lol I've rarely, if ever, seen Ev ridicule anyone. Ev saves her temper for the competition, then she'll go off.
[QUOTE=Xeri99;183698]Have to disagree here. Much of the drama comes from the schemes and strategies, dealing with avoiding the strong competitors as well as saving weaker ones to buff your chances. If the show went all out for athletics, many Real Worlders would have zero chance to succeed and would never come back a second time, if even a debut.[/QUOTE] I don't watch this show for drama, I watch for the competition. I'm sick of the Challenge being a political game, and am sick of how full of themself everyone on these shows gets. Abram had it right on Inferno 2 when he refused to vote in Mike because he respected him as a competitor and wanted the best competitors there in the end. These shows have taken a nasty turn and now it's all about who's aligned with who and what can we do to save our own *****, it didn't used to be that way. Putting the bottom two teams into the elimination was definitely the fairest way to do things, because it would have been absolutely ridiculous for Landon and Carley to go in again right before the final. Theresa saying that her and Ryan got this far because Ryan was a "great politician" and she was a "social butterfly", is she ******* delusional? That might be the dumbest quote of the season so far. You made it this far because everyone wanted you to be in the final so they could beat you and guarantee themselves money! I'm going to laugh so hard watching them try to carry those weight racks on their backs...really don't see them winning this Exile. Again, I hope Landon wins it all. He got the last pick for his partner, went into two Exiles with her and was able to coach her through it. He deserves to win. That and my brother's friend owes me 10 dollars if anyone but Kenny wins. Stupid bet we made at a bar a couple episodes in. Couldn't resist those odds.
I'm thinking Theresa has the potential to be comic gold in future challenges, ala Casey with some of the stuff she has said in confessionals during past seasons.
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[QUOTE=Aereas;184038]I'm thinking Theresa has the potential to be comic gold in future challenges, ala Casey with some of the stuff she has said in confessionals during past seasons.[/QUOTE] I don't find either of them to be funny....
I think it was meant more along the lines of how they always say they try hard and are gonna "kick ***" but really they both suck at this.

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