Fresh Meat II: Episode 4

Landon should have made his own alliance from the start. I like CJ and Syd being sneaky.

[QUOTE=molds13;172066]OK so I'm a little confused...the episode said that the mole may be revealed or whatever, yet I don't even think I saw Jenn for more than .2 seconds.[/QUOTE] The mole Ryan?

[QUOTE=FM-DIAF;172065]Luke and Evelyn have been more consistent than Pete & Jill, but it's hard to take a [B]135lb man[/B] seriously in these competitions.[/QUOTE] Quit hating on us. (I'm joking) Was that a [I]ferret[/I] in the intro??

Holy crap, on the Ep.5 sneak peak...I feel kinda bad for Danny.

Didn't Cara take shots before her Gauntlet vs. Kina? Also, I like how everyone is actually playing the game instead of just sitting back. Although this challenge isn't drama filled it's a great challenge because you can never tell what is going to happen next.

[QUOTE=Dannyboy;172064]Pure tactical because 2 members of the alliance would've gotten a glimpse of what the exile was like? That's honestly the only tactical part I can see in that decision and I'm not even sure since so far each exile has had some variances. For all they could've known at that point the exile could've been different every single time.[/QUOTE] Only we knew that there were only 2 exiles in the rotation. In these games information is power, it's why whoever goes LAST is in a better position because they can see where others have succeeded or failed. It's why they don't allow us to wear watches during challenges, and why a great many things are the way they are. Even if CJ and Sydney had learned one exile and went in against, say, Ryan and Theresa who hadn't gone into exile yet, it would give them an advantage over the other team. Besides, with team Amazon in control sending one of our own in this was our way of fighting back. It made that win for Kenny and Laurel useless because all they were doing was getting rid of someone who was going home anyway. It is too easy to be on the outside looking in and question why a decision was made, but at that exact iteration in time, given our circumstances, it was the smartest move the alliance could've made. [QUOTE=jjlucash;172061]Kate, will you do another [I]Challenge[/I]? Please say "yes." :)[/QUOTE] I've advised production that I would be more than happy to compete in another challenge where it was more head-to-head and in a [B]reasonable[/B] climate. Maybe I'm being too much a diva, but if I'm going to put myself in a position where I am stripped of any modicum of freedom or civility, I damn well won't be risking hypothermia or heat stroke doing it.

[QUOTE=Bacchus;172069]It was a ratings play, clearly. I had a feeling that would be the case as they used the word, "may." Still, I think Jenn works that uniform (in the title pic.) I was just going on the last episode as MTV decided to not offer any images of this episode ahead of time and I only had the past and episode summary to build upon.[/QUOTE] Hey, I'm not hating. I thought they were talking about Jenn too especially after all the crap last week. I do like her in the Hitler uniform too ;)

[QUOTE=TheKorean;172074]Didn't Cara take shots before her Gauntlet vs. Kina? [/QUOTE] And let's not forget Tonya claiming she reeked of tequila during the final of I2 because she drank like crazy the night before. I think it's crap that they eliminated them for that. I'm actually annoyed by it.

[QUOTE=k8mnstr;172075]Only we knew that there were only 2 exiles in the rotation. In these games information is power, it's why whoever goes LAST is in a better position because they can see where others have succeeded or failed. It's why they don't allow us to wear watches during challenges, and why a great many things are the way they are. Even if CJ and Sydney had learned one exile and went in against, say, Ryan and Theresa who hadn't gone into exile yet, it would give them an advantage over the other team. Besides, with team Amazon in control sending one of our own in this was our way of fighting back. It made that win for Kenny and Laurel useless because all they were doing was getting rid of someone who was going home anyway. It is too easy to be on the outside looking in and question why a decision was made, but at that exact iteration in time, given our circumstances, it was the smartest move the alliance could've made.[/QUOTE] I'm in no way pretending to know more about the situation than you do. I appreciate your feedback. I just don't understand why it was concluded that you couldn't recover making the win useless for Kenny And Laurel. I'm guessing your injuries were so bad you couldn't recover. I appreciate your feedback, don't get me wrong, I just think that at this point in the game building numbers is still important and this was a guaranteed loss of a member of the alliance. Guaranteed otherwise because you couldn't recover in time to compete for following challenges? Perhaps.

[QUOTE=FM-DIAF;172059]+1. Whoever is in power and strategizing is going to get the hate around here, that is a fact. Human nature is designed to root for the underdog, let's just sit back and relax. The money's not even that much after taxes so it's not like it matters who wins. :)[/QUOTE] Actually I don't always route for the underdog. At this point I don't care who wins as long as its not Ev, Wes, or Kenny.

In a way sending Katelyn was also a smart move. There was a HUGE possibility Jill/Pete would have won the exile. Making them not only lose Cj/Syd, but also having an injured member, who was going to go home either way.

[QUOTE=tjhallow;172083]Actually I don't always route for the underdog. At this point I don't care who wins as long as its not Ev, Wes, or Kenny.[/QUOTE] +1000. I'm with you there my friend. :) I was about to add Danny but I saw the Sneak Peak and with my weak heart I couldn't help feel a little sorrow towards him.

I'm gonna have to watch this sneak peak cause I don't think anything could make me feel bad for Danny--game wise. The other situation thats going on with him, I do feel bad but it has nothing to do with the challenge.

At this point I would like to see CJ, Ev, or Lando win. I feel like CJ and Landon are great people and Ev could be the new Kenny (Running the challenges.) I like Noor but not Jenn. Anyway, this was a great episode aside from that crap "You can't drink before a challenge," they pulled. I feel like this is definitely the best challenge in the past couple of years.

Katelynn, what did you think about the reason you and Brandon were eliminated?

I wonder if more people would have tuned in if the TV Guide preview said "One castmember's excessive drinking problem leads to the most memorable elimination yet."

[QUOTE=molds13;172098]I wonder if more people would have tuned in if the TV Guide preview said "One castmember's excessive drinking problem leads to the most memorable elimination yet."[/QUOTE] I think they would have.

The info didn't show up for me on Cablevision, but does that make a difference?

[QUOTE=RW561015;172095]Katelynn, what did you think about the reason you and Brandon were eliminated?[/QUOTE] Other than it was hilarious? You know I would've gimped my way through this damn exile right? I think they chose to eliminate us that way instead of face the legal ramifications of violating doctor's orders regarding someone who was put under their care.

OK, changing this since Katelynn answered my question. Still, even though you were injured, it just sounded ridiculous for them to eliminate your team for a beer. I'm with the person who said they should have just said you were eliminated for injuries. Maybe it was supposed to be funny and sarcastic, but TJ could not relay it right?

[QUOTE=k8mnstr;172103]Other than it was hilarious? You know I would've gimped my way through this damn exile right? I think they chose to eliminate us that way instead of face the legal ramifications of violating doctor's orders regarding someone who was put under their care.[/QUOTE] Kate if I may ask, why was it so difficult for you to climb the wall? I mean weak girls like Jenn and Mandi did it with no problem - before your injury I was like "what is she doing this is easy" I just think you are a much better athlete than what we've seen.

Is the drinking rule in your contract Katelynn?

I really like how Katelynn and Brandon understood why your alliance voted you guys in because even till' that point you stayed true to your alliance by not getting all crazy like some people would have that's why I look forward to seeing Katelynn and Brondon on a future challenge.......they get the game!

[QUOTE=RW_Chall_Fan;172106]Kate if I may ask, why was it so difficult for you to climb the wall? I mean weak girls like Jenn and Mandi did it with no problem - before your injury I was like "what is she doing this is easy" I just think you are a much better athlete than what we've seen.[/QUOTE] Y'know, funny story because that's exactly how I feel too. Everyone on this Challenge is athletic in their own right... whether it be swimming, volleyball, rugby, wrestling, football... whatever. I've often said I am not "athletic" by any standard definition of the word, however I have a very unique skillset which under other Challenge environments would be quite successful. This just was not my Challenge. I liked nothing about this Challenge, not the venue, not the rules, not the challenges or exiles themselves. Plus I had like a month maximum before I found out I was even on it, so I didn't "train". Now I know better, so should I be cast for another one I feel as though I will be a much stronger competitor.

Poor Katelynn, man :( I really, really hope we get to see her on another challenge kicking *****, because I know she could do it!

& LMAO @ Benedict Jenn Arnold on the front page! HAHAHA too funny, bacchus! :p

KEnny and Laurel are by far the best team collectively... Mostly because of Laurel though.. Dont get me wrong Kenny is a great competitor but in this game you are only as strong as your weakest link (which is the girl 99% of the time).. If Landon or Wes had Laurel instead of Mandi/Carley they would be dominating just as much, if not more..

You don't even know how pissed I am that Kenny/Laurel keep winning it seems like these challenges were meant for them to win.

Giving Kenny props for being a top dog on this challenge isn't about Kenny being seen as a better competitor than Landon (or Wes), though. It's about people having been critical of Kenny, seeing him as a so-so competitor, yet he is actually one of the top people on this one. He deserves some props for it, I feel. Some of the guys haven't been the greatest in the missions, either, so it's not just on the girl only, to me. Kenny is working well with Laurel, and vice versa. So I think they both deserve props. I felt the same way about Evan and Coral during the first FM - some people felt they were winning because of Evan only, but I thought they both did a good job and worked well together. And Kenny and Laurel did great last week, even though they had to go first. So some of us were impressed by that.