Brad to me is a great competitor when it comes to the regualr season of the challenge as in the last 4 challenges he has managed to be able to make the final mission even though I completely thought he wouldn't. As though it coming down to the playoffs or the final mission he somewhat falls apart though. He at least to me shows that anyone can have a chance on a challenge and has the potential to do well. Frank was similar to that also on the last challenge he was on.
Brad's a chump plain and simple. What is Brad now? 0-7 or 8 in challenges now with one brutal *** kicking from Darrell, Wes is an overrated juiced up ***** that only beat Derrick and won The Duel because of his performance enhancing drugs that he loves so much along with bangin' neels (nails) Danny and Dunbarf. "The King" Kenny is the best, c'mon you all didn't know that? Evan and Johnny are just Kenny's pawns.
[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;152558]Brad's a chump plain and simple. What is Brad now? 0-7 or 8 in challenges now with one brutal *** kicking from Darrell, Wes is an overrated juiced up ***** that only beat Derrick and won The Duel because of his performance enhancing drugs that he loves so much along with bangin' neels (nails) Danny and Dunbarf. "The King" Kenny is the best, c'mon you all didn't know that? Evan and Johnny are just Kenny's pawns.[/QUOTE]
I dunno if I should be taking this seriously or not.
[QUOTE=mr.unamazing;152533]Can you please show the post where I used the word "glamour" as I don't recall ever saying that word. Also the post on this thread before this one I talked about 3 people that I thought would have been great on a challenge and didn't discuss Scott except list his name. I mainly talked about instead was JD and Karamo. Also I will continue to stand by that statement that I made that Wes had the easier road to the finals over brad. Wes got to go agianst Derrick who was a small guy. [B]While Brad went agianst not only Eric but also CT.[/B][/QUOTE]
I'll give you C.T., but Brad only beat C.T. because of a lame D.Q. and on the Duel 2 T.J. had to bend/make up the rules for Brad to beat Landon. And Eric is just a used up piece of bubble gum that's lost it's flavor and needs to be thrown away.
[QUOTE=Entropy;152575]Someone was watching WWE tonight[/QUOTE]
Ha Ha ! Yep, LOL !! I was flipping through the channels and seen Vince Mcwhatever talking with John Cena and I had to use it on here. Not bad, you got me. **** !! Props my friend !!
why bring it more new people when u still have some previous RW people who havent dont challenges. plus what ever happened to the rest of the fresh meat from season 1.
[QUOTE=blackinwhite;152599]Why bring it more new people when you still have some previous RW people who haven't done challenges. Plus what ever happened to the rest of the Fresh Meat from season 1?[/QUOTE]
Because they don't want to do a challenge, or weren't considered interesting enough by producers. Simple as that.
The only problem I have with another Fresh Meat challenge is that it's another step towards diminishing the concept of the show being the "Real World/Road Rules Challenge". Let's say the show gets renewed for another few more seasons... further down the line, the RW/RR challenge will be made up of 40% real world castmembers, and 60% fresh meat cast members.
Then again, they could potentially make a Real World vs. Fresh Meat kind of challenge since the number of Road Rulers is dipleating... I mean, how much longer are we going to see Derek, Tori, Dan or Angel anyway right? And a majority of roadies pre-Viewers Revenge have all moved on for the most part.
Sounds scary... absolute proof that that RW/RR challenge is no longer what it used to be. I miss the Real World/Road Rules rivalry, that's what made the show juicy. It was also cool to see which cast members were going to represent their show... the idea of them being "All Stars" was exciting too. Now all we have is a bunch of "regulars".
Yeah but I guess we have to face that Road Rules is done forever. I wish it wasn't true but it's not coming back. The only way to keep the challenges alive is to have the Fresh Meaters. If only we had like a week or two to watch them all interact before the challenge. Like a miniseries.
Are there just not enough Real Worlders who want to do the challenges to make up a full cast without doing Fresh Meat?
They've barely used anyone from the Hollywood cast (those that have done a challenge have only done one, with the exception of Kim), Brooklyn (I would have thought most of those kids would have been into it), and we're only going to see one from Cancun coming up, add to that the DC kids. Even the guys from Denver haven't been around much.
It seems if they were willing to have more than one or two people per season come on to a challenge, they'd have plenty of new people to use, without adding Fresh Meat.
Or couldn't they just do one Challenge for every two Real World seasons that air, instead of one for one?
Yeah but they don't want to do the REal world vs. Real world challenge. They want to have a variety of people. It's no big deal. We get new personalities. It's a good idea to make up for the lack of road rules/
Well that's true, but it's not like it's been Real world vs Road Rules for a long time now, it's been rookies vs veterans, good guys vs bad guys, champions vs challengers, etc... they always find a way to create the teams.
If they varied the personalities in Real World a bit more, like in the older seasons, they wouldn't need to mix it up! And really, the Fresh Meat are just Real World rejects anyway.
I'm sad Katie and Coral seem to be done with challenges. Hopefully Ayiiia will come on soon cause we're in MAJOR need of bad girls on this show. And speaaaking of bad girls... what girls from RW/RR do you guys think would be good on the bad girls club? I remember years ago that BMP was interested in the concept of mean girls due to the Veronica/Rachel/Tina alliance on Inferno 2. I think the rumors were that it was going to be actually about those three girls. I don't think Rachel was or is a bad girl though.
RW/RR Bad Girls-
Heather- rw1
Beth- rw2
Belou- rr3
Flora- rw5
Gladys- rr7
Veronica- rr8
Coral- rw10
Jisela- rr10
Katie- rr10
Tonya- rw11
Aneesa- rw11
Cara- rw11
Trishelle- rw12
Irulan- rw12
Arissa- rw12
Brynn- rw12
Tina- rr12
Leah- rw13
Ivory- rr14
Janelle- rw17
Jenn- rw18
Brooke- rw18
Trisha- rw19
Brianna- rw20
Ayiiia- rw22
Jazmine- rw22
[QUOTE=andrewsz1991;152718]Yeah but I guess we have to face that Road Rules is done forever. I wish it wasn't true but it's not coming back. [B]The only way to keep the challenges alive is to have the Fresh Meaters.[/B] If only we had like a week or two to watch them all interact before the challenge. Like a miniseries.[/QUOTE]
That's not true at all BMP could easily keep this show running without the Fresh Meat. All they need to do is start doing challenges with smaller casts simple as that.
But that's not what the show is anymore. Back in the day they could've but viewership has changed. It's their equivelant of the road rules season so they always have fresh faces to invite to challenges.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;152749]That's not true at all BMP could easily keep this show running without the Fresh Meat. [B]All they need to do is start doing challenges with smaller casts simple as that.[/B][/QUOTE]
OK, smaller cast lists. Let's see just how simple it is.
The Duel had 5 Fresh Meat people on there, 2 females and 3 men. There had to be an even number of guys and girls, so get rid of 3 women and 3 men. That would make a cast of 14. One elimination per episode...that's a 7 episode season. But usually the finale is incorporated with the last elimination. So make that a 6 episode season.
Inferno III had 2 Fresh Meat people...both bad *****. So take out one female and one male from the good guys team. That leaves you with 16. Same reasoning as above would make it a 7 episode season (which would've been stretched out to 14, just like Inferno III did it). 8 eliminations...that'd give you 8 people total for the final.
Gauntlet III had 1 rookie and 6 veterans. Get all of them out of there. Now you've got to make the sides even, so you have to get rid of 5 more rookies. That's 10 per side, making it 20 total. Not too bad. Now they scrunched 2 eliminations per episode, and had 15 eliminations. So there would be a TOTAL of 5 people left for the final mission. Might be able to stretch that into an 8 episode season.
The Island had 3. You should probably get rid of one more to make it even. So that's a total of 16 people. There's gotta be 4 people in each boat, so half of the people make it to the finals. One person goes home every episode, plus the finale, gives you a 9 episode season.
Duel 2 had 3 males and 1 female. After evening that out, you've got 10 per side. One elimination per episode, with the last elimination and the top 3 competing for the final in one episode, gives you a 6 episode season.
The Ruins had 3 champions, 2 challengers. So take off 3 a side...that makes it 11 per side for a total of 22. Two people go home each episode, and the finale. There were 9 eliminations. That'd give you 4 people TOTAL for the final...and that's only if the sexes are even.
Does a 6 episode season really seem feasible or interesting? Shorter cast lists=shorter seasons=more space in between challenge seasons and RW seasons.
BMP entertains a certain amount of people in order to stretch the season out for a certain period of time. The seasons where two people go home per episode (Gauntlet III, Ruins) are much larger for a reason. You can't just "make a smaller cast list" because then your "episodes become much more boring" and you "lose viewers".
[QUOTE=molds13;152754]OK, smaller cast lists. Let's see just how simple it is.
The Duel had 5 Fresh Meat people on there, 2 females and 3 men. There had to be an even number of guys and girls, so get rid of 3 women and 3 men. That would make a cast of 14. One elimination per episode...that's a 7 episode season. But usually the finale is incorporated with the last elimination. So make that a 6 episode season.
Inferno III had 2 Fresh Meat people...both bad *****. So take out one female and one male from the good guys team. That leaves you with 16. Same reasoning as above would make it a 7 episode season (which would've been stretched out to 14, just like Inferno III did it). 8 eliminations...that'd give you 8 people total for the final.
Gauntlet III had 1 rookie and 6 veterans. Get all of them out of there. Now you've got to make the sides even, so you have to get rid of 5 more rookies. That's 10 per side, making it 20 total. Not too bad. Now they scrunched 2 eliminations per episode, and had 15 eliminations. So there would be a TOTAL of 5 people left for the final mission. Might be able to stretch that into an 8 episode season.
The Island had 3. You should probably get rid of one more to make it even. So that's a total of 16 people. There's gotta be 4 people in each boat, so half of the people make it to the finals. One person goes home every episode, plus the finale, gives you a 9 episode season.
Duel 2 had 3 males and 1 female. After evening that out, you've got 10 per side. One elimination per episode, with the last elimination and the top 3 competing for the final in one episode, gives you a 6 episode season.
The Ruins had 3 champions, 2 challengers. So take off 3 a side...that makes it 11 per side for a total of 22. Two people go home each episode, and the finale. There were 9 eliminations. That'd give you 4 people TOTAL for the final...and that's only if the sexes are even.
Does a 6 episode season really seem feasible or interesting? Shorter cast lists=shorter seasons=more space in between challenge seasons and RW seasons.
BMP entertains a certain amount of people in order to stretch the season out for a certain period of time. The seasons where two people go home per episode (Gauntlet III, Ruins) are much larger for a reason. You can't just "make a smaller cast list" because then your "episodes become much more boring" and you "lose viewers".[/QUOTE]
ALL of that is BS! they could've easily filled all of those spots with actual castmembers. I mean your telling me that they couldn't have gotten a few more people to take the stale meat's places on all of those challenges? Don't try to justify the Stale Meat ****ting up the challenges.
A long season with a small cast is possible, Other shows of this Ilk have done it so why can't BMP?
Oh and Andrew they can still get new people on this challenge. I mean there's The Real World and the other previous castmembers as well( I know all of them don't want to do challenges but I'm sure they can get them)
[QUOTE=Debut Album;152760]Well the challenges now have become boring and they have been losing viewers so even with larger challenges it wouldn't make a diffrence.[/quote]
So getting a smaller cast for a season that will be on for a shorter amount of time would be more helpful?
[QUOTE]And yes they can jjust make a smaller cast all they have to do is strech it out. It's not like it can't be done Survivor, Big Brother, and I love Money have all done it so why the **** can't BMP? [/quote]
Survivor doesn't stretch it out. They have one elimination every episode.
[quote]And I'm willing to bet if they really tried they could get more people. BMP has gotten lazy in terms of casting.
[B]This show can get by without the Fresh Meat.[/B][/QUOTE]
Well, it's not going to. Continually *****ing and moaning about it isn't going to help either. Sorry.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;152762]Oh um I kinda changed my post.
Oh and I'll keep complaining Until the day that BMP starts Casting challenges for the better.[/QUOTE]
I saw that. Was it because I out-debated you in every point?
My argument isn't about whether Fresh Meat betters or worsens a challenge. I think that having a smaller cast is an awful idea because they no longer have the characters that can carry a season (Miz, Coral, etc) that would be willing to appear.
I think that if BMP could have "easily" filled their spots with other cast members, they would have. I think that if BMP had never needed new people for challenges since they weren't garnering enough interest in the first place, they would've never had Fresh Meat in the first place.
I get that you're upset about the Fresh Meat. But if you can't bring up any other point for why you don't like them other than "they weren't in a season", your point gets old, fast. If you want to complain, complain to BMP. Don't complain here.
[QUOTE=molds13;152768]I saw that. Was it because I out-debated you in every point?
[QUOTE]My argument isn't about whether Fresh Meat betters or worsens a challenge. I think that having a smaller cast is an awful idea because they no longer have the characters that can carry a season (Miz, Coral, etc) that would be willing to appear. [/QUOTE]
What? How So? Im Pretty sure the ususal suspects would still show up no matter the size of the cast. And in case you haven't noticed Miz and Coral have moved on so I don't know why you even used them. Besides why can't they focus on people who aren't major draws? Maybe they can make draws out of them instead of relying on the same stupid drama with the same lame characters.
[QUOTE]I think that if BMP could have "easily" filled their spots with other cast members, they would have. I think that if BMP had never needed new people for challenges since they weren't garnering enough interest in the first place, they would've never had Fresh Meat in the first place.[/QUOTE]
Laziness in the casting department that's all that is.
[QUOTE]I get that you're upset about the Fresh Meat. But if you can't bring up any other point for why you don't like them other than "they weren't in a season", your point gets old, fast. If you want to complain, complain to BMP. Don't complain here [/QUOTE]
Oh I got MANY reasons for not liking them Not having a season is just the tip of the Iceberg and that's why I use it so much. And I'm going to keep complaining here because BMP is not going to listen to me or any other of the fans that watch this(even though they should). They're just going to keep casting using the same unlikable people that have no buisness being there, the same lopsided teams, the same people winning every single time because almost everyone that does these things is too **** stupid/apathetic/weak/drunk to take the game into their own hands, the same Fear Factor-esque challenges that seem like you need to be some Musclebound freak to do the same odd opening intros and the same repetitive uniteresting drama.
And I'm not upset about the stale meat either even though it seems like it.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;152775]What? How So? Im Pretty sure the ususal suspects would still show up no matter the size of the cast. And in case you haven't noticed Miz and Coral have moved on so I don't know why you even used them.[/quote]
Usual suspects being who? I do know that Miz and Coral moved on. I used them because, if you read my post right, I said that BMP NO LONGER has them as options for carrying a season. They used to be able to. There is no longer anyone who can do the same as them. Therefore, a smaller cast is a bad idea. If you have a small cast, you need your major characters to do well or else it ruins the season. If they go home early, it completely sucks the life out of the rest of the challenge. As much as you would hate to admit it, BMP's idea of "major characters" are Kenny. Evan. Casey.
[quote]Laziness in the casting department that's all that is.[/QUOTE]
Do you work for casting? How do you have any idea what's running through their head? You can't force someone to appear on a challenge. They take what they can get.
Honestly, answer this question. Say you were to have a smaller cast, say of 16 people. What person, who was not a Fresh Meater, who has a genuine chance of actually being casted for that season (i.e., no throwing out someone who was only on one or 0 challenges), would be able to carry the season in terms of entertainment a la Coral, Miz, or Beth?
The casting pool is so depleted at this point. It's pathetic. All of their big-name people are gone and we are left with people like Dunbar. Let's center a season around Dunbar! That'd just be great.
JEK+D aren't going anywhere they're here to stay , ha ha yeah. Wonder who JEK will backstab, lie to, degrade, and trash next season ????? And I heard they do it all just for the kicks. JEKD < everybody, ha ha !!
[QUOTE]Usual suspects being who? I do know that Miz and Coral moved on. I used them because, if you read my post right, I said that BMP NO LONGER has them as options for carrying a season. They used to be able to. [B]There is no longer anyone who can do the same as them. [/B]Therefore, a smaller cast is a bad idea. If you have a small cast, you need your major characters to do well or else it ruins the season. If they go home early, it completely sucks the life out of the rest of the challenge. As much as you would hate to admit it, BMP's idea of "major characters" are Kenny. Evan. Casey.[/QUOTE]
Okay so going by that the size of the cast really doesn't matter because there's nobody in the cast major or minor that can carry the season like in the past.And Honestly the people who are Major characters now are hurting the challenges and have been for a while now. I mean do the challenges really need Evan and Kenny's lame *** humor? Or Diem's whining? Or Ryan's uselessness?
Or Eric's fatness?
[QUOTE]
Do you work for casting? How do you have any idea what's running through their head? You can't force someone to appear on a challenge. They take what they can get.[/QUOTE]
I'm not talking about forcing someone to be on a challenge. Of course they can't do that but what I mean is that some of past castmembers have said that they wanted to do a challenge but BMP never asked any of them. Why couldn't they use any of them? That's not "taking what they can get" that's just not trying in my eyes.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;152797]Okay so going by that the size of the cast really doesn't matter because there's nobody in the cast major or minor that can carry the season like in the past. And Honestly the people who are Major characters now are hurting the challenges and have been for a while now. I mean do the challenges really need Evan and Kenny's lame *** humor? Or Diem's whining? Or Ryan's uselessness? Or Eric's fatness?[/QUOTE]
No, they don't. And I'm not disagreeing with you on that front. But you brought up having smaller cast sizes [I]instead[/I] of having Fresh Meat. I don't think that having a smaller cast will solve the problems that they are having in terms of ratings. And I cannot name someone who has been on the Real World since B2NY that would be willing to do a challenge [B]and[/B] could carry an entire season with their entertainment. And that is just sad.
I feel as though the majority of people tuning in to MTV now are younger. The first challenge they watched may have been Fresh Meat. Evan and Kenny are their Miz. Their entertainment. They had no idea who Veronica or Syrus were when the Ruins came up. And that's not their fault. I would absolutely LOVE for MTV to play an old-school challenge marathon and see how those ratings compare to a new-school marathon.
[quote]I'm not talking about forcing someone to be on a challenge. Of course they can't do that but what I mean is that some of past castmembers have said that they wanted to do a challenge but BMP never asked any of them. Why couldn't they use any of them? That's not "taking what they can get" that's just not trying in my eyes.[/quote]They haven't asked them for a reason. Maybe they didn't find them interesting enough.
I'm sure after a season BMP can go through and check who they would want on a challenge versus who they wouldn't want. Take Hollywood for example.
Joey is not putting himself in the position to appear on a challenge. Sarah wasn't entertaining enough on the season. And they would never ask that d-bag that they fired from their job again.
That leaves you with everyone else. They've already had Kim, Brittini, Nick, Dave.
[QUOTE=Debut Album;152749]That's not true at all BMP could easily keep this show running without the Fresh Meat. All they need to do is start doing challenges with smaller casts simple as that.[/QUOTE]
How many times did you try out for Fresh Meat?
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