The Ruins: Ep. 6 - Ruining on Empty

I don't see how not helping the people that hate JEK makes Derrick a coward. You all can call it being a coward and I'll call it knowing how to play the game and winning alot of money.

I had to laugh at Cohutta's "fatted calf" comment. Love him. He's really the reason I'm watching the show, now.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;135937]I don't see how not helping the people that hate JEK makes Derrick a coward. You all can call it being a coward and I'll call it knowing how to play the game and winning alot of money.[/QUOTE] Derrick is only being called a coward because people don't like JEK.

[QUOTE=morris614;135924]True. I just think Sarah looks like she is pretty athletic. Its hard to tell though because most of the challenges really dont measure athleticism. So its really hard to tell who stands out. No one has really come out looking good- you can only look bad. Like Casey, or Derrick for not being able to follow simple instructions and panicing.[/QUOTE] I agree. And that's what I have really disliked about the challenges, since Gauntlet 2, and actually going back to BOTS2. There are too many team missions or missions that don't measure individual performance. I do think they should have some team missions, but there needs to be a better measure of who is good, so individual missions are key. I think that's why the endgames have become so big now, but I think some of these over the years have been based on things that are not the best (like weight). I think people can get a little lucky in those sometimes as well. But I think BMP/MTV probably likes that it is hard to determine who is good or not. It can create conflict within the teams when voting time comes. I think that is also why I have not been overly impressed by a lot of the newer competitors of the past few years. The first FM had some decent challenges, though. Also, The Inferno series usually has good missions - they have to have individual measurements to determine who will win the lifeshield. I also get what some people are saying about Derrick being a coward. I really do think he is friends with those guys. But I think the point people are trying to make, aside from that, is that Derrick will vote for whoever the majority votes for, but he'll do it in a "I don't want to do this, but I have no choice, please don't hate me" kind of way. Kind of looking sad and not wanting to really make a decision. I personally think if he's going to vote with the main alliance, showing that remorse makes him look more compassionate (and I think it's true compassion, not an act), but I think it also comes across as, "if you don't want to really vote that way, do something different." But I agree, he is trying to not rock the boat and do what can take him far. He did the same thing on FM as well, when the vets were in charge - he voted for Tonya even though he was friends with her and he felt bad for that. So that's something he's done in the past with a different group, too. I say all of that as a fan, too, and not someone trying to pick on Derrick. He really is one of my favorites.

Just because Johnny and Derrick were not in the room when susie, kenny, even , and Jo were talking does not mean that they are not on the same page. I think that they are going to take sy, and darrel down before each other, however at some point they will all HAVE, to fight for there place.

[QUOTE=jazzybell;135941]Just because Johnny and Derrick were not in the room when susie, kenny, even , and Jo were talking does not mean that they are not on the same page. I think that they are going to take sy, and darrel down before each other, however at some point they will all HAVE, to fight for there place.[/QUOTE] Yeah I agree. Kenny and Evan could also be saying that to please Susie because she doesnt like Johnny. But I do think the alliance thing is being made up to be more than it is. I think the Derrick Johnny thing was made to be a bigger deal. I wouldnt be surprised if they woke up the next day and everything was fine between them.

[QUOTE=morris614;135936]Is this based on previous conversations you have had with Evan and Kenny? Anyway, I think that was regarding the 4 in the room talking about how they would do anything to get them to the finals (Kenny, Evan, Susie, and Jo).[/QUOTE] No, dear, I do not know these people, nor do you I'm sure. However, these guys are all about strategy - Johnny is a screw up so if it comes down to him and Derick the smart thing to do would be to stay loyal to Derick and get rid of the lose cannon.

Morris614 that's exactly my point, guys fight like this all the time when one is drunk and the next day they are cool. I do think that Johnny does have some issues with the way that Even is playing the game, however The four of them came in as friends with a plan I don't think they are going to change now without taking out the others first.

[QUOTE=RW_Chall_Fan;135946]No, dear, I do not know these people, nor do you I'm sure. However, these guys are all about strategy - Johnny is a screw up so if it comes down to him and Derick the smart thing to do would be to stay loyal to Derick and get rid of the lose cannon.[/QUOTE] No, I dont know them. But if you are talking about a lose cannon then that would be Derick. Plus Derick has lost a mission while Johnny has not (not that they have ever gone off preformance or anything) I do also kind of think having Kenny and Derick on a final mission could cause problems if it came to puzzle solving, etc. I just dont see it as "throwing under the bus" when there are 4 guys left. Obviously one of them is going to have to go in if it goes down to those 4. And unless Darell wins every time, it will.

[QUOTE=morris614;135948]No, I dont know them. But if you are talking about a lose cannon then that would be Derick. Plus Derick has lost a mission while Johnny has not (not that they have ever gone off preformance or anything) I do also kind of think having Kenny and Derick on a final mission could cause problems if it came to puzzle solving, etc. I just dont see it as "throwing under the bus" when there are 4 guys left. Obviously one of them is going to have to go in if it goes down to those 4. And unless Darell wins every time, it will.[/QUOTE] Look who is left though - there is no way that any of the 3 guys on the Challenger team can beat any champion male except Darrell maybe - just no way. My point is if it comes down to it, would make more sense to get rid of the trouble maker.

I think when it comes down to it they will put Darrell in everytime. That 's what they do they try to get rid of whoever is not apart of there allience before they turn on each other. Darrell has also said he does not have a problem going in .

[QUOTE=morris614;135948]No, I dont know them. But if you are talking about a lose cannon then that would be Derick. Plus Derick has lost a mission while Johnny has not (not that they have ever gone off preformance or anything) I do also kind of think having Kenny and Derick on a final mission could cause problems if it came to puzzle solving, etc. I just dont see it as "throwing under the bus" when there are 4 guys left. Obviously one of them is going to have to go in if it goes down to those 4. And unless Darell wins every time, it will.[/QUOTE] I admit Derrick isn't the smartest guy out there, but when it comes to puzzles Johnny is as bad as Derrick. I do believe Johnny got sent home in the Gauntlet 3 by Evan in a puzzle Gauntlet and it's not like Evan is a puzzle whiz (Duel vs. C.T. anyone?). And Johnny got sent home by Tyler in a Duel because he couldn't judge how heavy watermelons are. Getting beat by Tyler in anything is enough of a reason to throw Johnny under the bus before Derrick.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;135954]I admit Derrick isn't the smartest guy out there, but when it comes to puzzles Johnny is as bad as Derrick. I do believe Johnny got sent home in the Gauntlet 3 by Evan in a puzzle Gauntlet and it's not like Evan is a puzzle whiz (Duel vs. C.T. anyone?). And Johnny got sent home by Tyler in a Duel because he couldn't judge how heavy watermelons are. Getting beat by Tyler in anything is enough of a reason to throw Johnny under the bus before Derrick.[/QUOTE] It will be very interesting to see how the rest of The Ruins eliminations play out!

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;135954]I admit Derrick isn't the smartest guy out there, but when it comes to puzzles Johnny is as bad as Derrick. I do believe Johnny got sent home in the Gauntlet 3 by Evan in a puzzle Gauntlet and it's not like Evan is a puzzle whiz (Duel vs. C.T. anyone?). And Johnny got sent home by Tyler in a Duel because he couldn't judge how heavy watermelons are. Getting beat by Tyler in anything is enough of a reason to throw Johnny under the bus before Derrick.[/QUOTE] Yeah thats true. But lets be honest- that I can duel was pretty much the worst idea ever. I think people bring his lose to Tyler too much. I mean really anyone could have beaten anyone in that duel. I would have no idea how many watermelons would be too much to lift.

[QUOTE=jazzybell;135951]I think when it comes down to it they will put Darrell in everytime. That 's what they do they try to get rid of whoever is not apart of there allience before they turn on each other. Darrell has also said he does not have a problem going in .[/QUOTE] Well it dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. JEK are Not in the game to play fair. They never came in with a plan to be fair team players. Why do you think they shot down the rotation thing?. Simple because if someonelse not in the alliance can go in then they'll throw him in. They thrown in any one else except themselves and Derrick until they have no choice. Derrick is a nice guy, good family man. However, he dosen't have a voice he just goes with Evan and the gang.

[QUOTE=trees12;135957]Well it dosen't take a rocket scientist to figure it out. JEK are Not in the game to play fair. They never came in with a plan to be fair team players. Why do you think they shot down the rotation thing?. Simple because if someonelse not in the alliance can go in then they'll throw him in. They thrown in any one else except themselves and Derrick until they have no choice. Derrick is a nice guy, good family man. However, he dosen't have a voice he just goes with Evan and the gang.[/QUOTE] Why does Derrick need to argue with them or be a loud outspoken voice when he's winning?

I think they are going to have a hard time now thats only four guys left however I think Darrell is going to be the one that going into the Ruins until he all loses.

I agree Derrick is good friends with JEK, and I think more so with Johnny why would he go aginst them, at the end of the day it is a game you have to look out for yourself and that's what he doing. I don't understand why people don't get that.

[QUOTE=jazzybell;135960]I agree Derrick is good friends with JEK, and I think more so with Johnny why would he go aginst them, at the end of the day it is a game you have to look out for yourself and that's what he doing. I don't understand why people don't get that.[/QUOTE] Because they don't like JEKD. Anything to do with them or agree with them is stupid apparently.

Apperently your right people don't like JEKD. I peronally find them smart, it's a game and if they can others to do what they want to ensure that they win, then hay more power to em.

[QUOTE=morris614;135956]Yeah thats true. But lets be honest- that I can duel was pretty much the worst idea ever. I think people bring his lose to Tyler too much. I mean really anyone could have beaten anyone in that duel. I would have no idea how many watermelons would be too much to lift.[/QUOTE] I do agree that the I can Duel was a terrible idea, and unfortunately for him it was the very first Duel of the entire season, but you also have to say that a loss is a loss no matter what you are playing or who you went up against.

[QUOTE=Adrian!!!!!!;135963]I do agree that the I can Duel was a terrible idea, and unfortunately for him it was the very first Duel of the entire season, but you also have to say that a loss is a loss no matter what you are playing or who you went up against.[/QUOTE] Yeah I agree, but it seems like people use non-physical type eliminations to prove that a player isnt strong. Like Johnny to Tyler and kenny to Nehemiah. A loss is a loss, but it doesnt show that a person isnt physically strong or athletic.

anybody notice that Veronica always goes home around the same time (excluding BOTSeasons)? BOTS1 - Episode 11 BOTS2 - Episode 11 Ruins - Episode 6 (but hour long so equivalent to Episode 12).

True. But I don't think it really matters what type of Inferno, Gauntlet, or Duel you win or lose, if you win you're that much stronger in my book and if you lose you are that much weaker in my book. I mean look at Alton who has only went in like one wrestling type elimination round and that was against Danny from RR Extreme and I still consider Alton the strongest overall player in challenge history because he has never lost in any kind of elimination round period and it helps he does really well in the challenges too. I really don't measure overall strength by WHAT you win or lose in, but just as long as you win and not lose, but that's just me.

you guys are crazy this challenge is not that bad although the JEK thing is getting a little ridiculous but the ruins has everything challenge fans want

[QUOTE=faceless;135958]Why does Derrick need to argue with them or be a loud outspoken voice when he's winning?[/QUOTE] I feel it would be nice if spoke out because frankly I'm tired of JEK taking over these challenges. I just want someone to put those jerks in their place. He dosen't need to argue because he's winning. Rather because they're NOT playing fair. However, he's in fear if he does it no more alliance for him. Therefore, he has no voice and accepts their voice.

[QUOTE=trees12;135974]I feel it would be nice if spoke out because frankly I'm tired of JEK taking over these challenges. I just want someone to put those jerks in their place. He dosen't need to argue because he's winning. Rather because they're NOT playing fair. However, he's in fear if he does it no more alliance for him. Therefore, he has no voice and accepts their voice.[/QUOTE] So you're telling me, that if you had a nice little group of friends that was able to run the game, you wouldn't be all for it? It's like everyone here is thinking that Derrick isn't apart of the group, but he is. Maybe he agrees with a lot of the things they're doing, maybe just not the way they're doing it. But look, he's there for himself, he's there for the money for himself and his family, and if it takes being in an alliance with them, he's doing it. He wants to win and they are the ticket to his win. You and over half of vevmo can be tired of JEK taking over, but Derrick isn't. So don't say Derrick is a coward or needs to speak out more because he'd be a coward if he didn't do what he came to do - WIN.

[QUOTE=faceless;135975]So you're telling me, that if you had a nice little group of friends that was able to run the game, you wouldn't be all for it? It's like everyone here is thinking that Derrick isn't apart of the group, but he is. Maybe he agrees with a lot of the things they're doing, maybe just not the way they're doing it. But look, he's there for himself, he's there for the money for himself and his family, and if it takes being in an alliance with them, he's doing it. He wants to win and they are the ticket to his win. You and over half of vevmo can be tired of JEK taking over, but Derrick isn't. So don't say Derrick is a coward or needs to speak out more because he'd be a coward if he didn't do what he came to do - WIN.[/QUOTE] I see what you're saying. Yes,everyone comes to win. However, some people have integrity in the game. While some people don't have integrity. As long as it gets them the win. Its sad, but I believe alot of these people would sell their mothers down the river to win a challenge. Derrick is a great father,husband etc. However, he lacks integrity in the game aspect of things.

[QUOTE=trees12;135976]I see what you're saying. Yes,everyone comes to win. However, some people have integrity in the game. While some people don't have integrity. As long as it gets them the win. Its sad, but I believe alot of these people would sell their mothers down the river to win a challenge. Derrick is a great father,husband etc. However, he lacks integrity in the game aspect of things.[/QUOTE] I think you're watching the wrong show if you want to see people being best friends and promises coming true and everyone dances along a rainbow to a nice pot of gold to share with each other. Countless people have sold each other out or played unfair to win or try to win and a lot of succeeded in winning without doing so but it's so rare for anyone to win without cheating other people. JEKD have learned the best way for them to win and they're capitalizing on that. Veronica did it before and she was all for it but now she is against that style of playing the game, only because she was getting the short end of the stick. Everyone who is on this show should know the name of the game and shouldn't sound surprised when someone tries to screw them over. Everyone even says that the social game is more important then physical, so why does it come as a shock to half of vevmo and the people on the show that people play the way they do?

Why do people automatically assume that because we say Derrick is being cowardly it is just because he is friendly with KE? That is like when people say that everyone hates Evan because he is from Fresh Meat. I hate Evan because he is an annoying *******. I think that Derrick is being cowardly because he refuses to go against Evan and Kenny not because he is friendly with them.