[QUOTE=ssseeeaaann;127635]Coral didn't quit over the Beth thing. The veterans threw that mission to take Beth out. Four episodes later they threw to remove Coral by putting her up against Evelyn. Meanwhile people like Robin and Casey remained on the team. Evelyn, Evan, Kenny and the rest of them wanted Coral out over those 2 girls. Coral knew it was a forgone conclusion so she left the show and refused to play Evan and Evelyn's silly *** games.
On the Ruins Evelyn also knew it was a forgone conclusion that she would lose the challenge, either by staying and throwing missions or by leaving. So she left and refused to play JEK's silly *** games. [I][B][I]Not too different from Coral[/I][/B][/I]. Hypocrite, yes, but she did grow up and I commend her.[/QUOTE]
Actually for me it's a totally different situation. Evelyn proved that she wasn't scared to go against Kelly Anne. Evelyn also, while she handed the win to KA in the end, there's no doubt that she beat her. Evelyn was in a loose-loose situaion: she had to either quit when this was a game she could've very well won or send her best friend home and be another one of JEK's puppets.
Coral didn't prove that she wasn't scared of going against Evelyn or that she could beat her. The way she left made it seem like she was actually scared of loosing to Evelyn. Yes, I'm sure she was also ****** and mad that her team didn't have her back, but in the end I'm sure she didn't want to be sent home for the first time. Realizing that she probably couldn't beat Evelyn she simply decided to leave before being sent home.
Coral is a good competitor but, unlike Evelyn, Coral was never able to succeed or even deal with having her team against her. Even Beth has proved to be better at dealing with that kind of pressure. Evelyn also proved to be able to do that at The Island. First time Coral was in a situation where her team didn't have her back she simply packed her bags and went home. Basically she proved to be all bark. I hope she decides to do another challenge so she can redeem herself.
I have a lot of respect for Evelyn for doing what she did while I cannot say the same for Coral. On the reunion Coral talked a lot, she was very loud and confrontational using her big words as usual but when she had the chance to back up those words, she chose to quit. Evelyn didn't quit, she beat KA and then let her win because she is her best friend. She proved that she was doing what she wanted to do because she certainly made it clear that she could've beaten KA had she wanted to.
Evelyn certainly proved that she had a couple of [B]real options[/B] (beat KA, or go home) to choose from, Coral didn't. Whether Coral could've beaten Evelyn we will never know, we do know that Evelyn could certainly beat KA.
[QUOTE=whoadeedle;127427]i like the idea that someone brought up that if BMP wants to keep casting JEK in challenges they need to put them up against each other. then we will see how they really feel about each other. [/QUOTE]
Let me preface this by saying it's no surprise to anyone that I'm a die hard JEK fan (and was thrilled to see the three reunited this season) but I think it would be interesting to see them play against each other. I'm not sure how they would divide the teams that could get them to be on opposing sides though. The only thing I've come up with is players that didn't have a "season" versus those who did. However, that would still keep Evan and Kenny together. It would be fun to watch them go against each other though :)
[QUOTE=RW_Chall_Fan;127528]Danny and Dunbar way way hotter - but Kenny does have a nice bod[/QUOTE]
Lol we must have different tastes. Dunbar I agree is good looking but he's no Kenny... Danny I see nothing in. If you had thrown Brad into the mix we may have had a conversation :)
[QUOTE=ssseeeaaann;127635]Coral didn't quit over the Beth thing. The veterans threw that mission to take Beth out. Four episodes later they threw to remove Coral by putting her up against Evelyn. Meanwhile people like Robin and Casey remained on the team. Evelyn, Evan, Kenny and the rest of them wanted Coral out over those 2 girls. Coral knew it was a forgone conclusion so she left the show and refused to play Evan and Evelyn's silly *** games.
On the Ruins Evelyn also knew it was a forgone conclusion that she would lose the challenge, either by staying and throwing missions or by leaving. So she left and refused to play JEK's silly *** games. Not too different from Coral. Hypocrite, yes, but she did grow up and I commend her.[/QUOTE]
I pretty much agree with this.
In Coral's situation, the friendship element also seemed like a big thing. She really felt betrayed by Evan, who she considered a real friend. Once she saw Evan was in on things, she was clearly upset and that's when it seemed she decided she wanted to leave. You really saw a hurt look in her eyes.
Also, I personally think in Ev's case on this one, no one on the team was plotting to get rid of her or upset her. No one was trying to get rid of her in a so-called wanting to get rid of the weaker players, when in reality they wanted to get rid of people who would stand up for themselves. No one was telling her they wanted her around when they were actually wanting her gone.
Concerning other comments about Ev's situation: I think it's possible she didn't want to go against KA because she knew it would be more of a possibility for her to lose as well as it being a friendship thing (with the friendship thing being more of a factor). Why would she suggest she go against Casey? The weakest person on the Challenger team, who could cause the Challengers to lose more missions? Couldn't she have suggested she take out someone else, like Kim, maybe?
Also, Ev was not happy when she didn't get her way, either, just like Coral wasn't. Only Ev started kicking things and destroying property and got all up in Johnny's face.
I'm sorry she had to go against someone she's close to (because most people would not be happy about it).
I think Wes was done worse, because he agreed to not throw this mission and cooperate with the team, and they purposely decide to throw in his girl to get to him. Yes, he definitely did not set things off right by trying to throw the first challenge, but they should have known he'd go right back to doing so if he won the elimination round.
I keep meaning to post this and keep getting sidetracked. It was funny, when I was watching the first episode I was thinking I can't wait to hop back on Vevmo and read the Wes bashing because in my head he was entirely unlikable the first episode. (I think he kept it up the second ep too). I was shocked to come on Vevmo and see people defending him.
My question is this: do people really find his attitude and general ************* acceptable and likable or does everyone just hate JEK that much and feel they must side with Wes?
[QUOTE=NRisawesome;127101]It's always Johnny, Kenny and Evan. Oh Good, Derrick voted for Evelyn, Susie voted for Evelyn, Katie voted for Evelyn. But Johnny is the bad guy! OHH, Derrick does everything they want him to do and no one hates him?
Wes treats women like ****, he's the most childish and dramatic person in the challenge and yet people think he's a Super Hero!
No one liked Evelyn on the Gauntlet 3 and now she's wonder woman because she teamed up with Wes, the KING.
Did we all watch FM 1? HMMM, Wes yelling at Johanna and insulting Casey?
When Johnny insulted the girls on the island everyone was like "Oh Johnny is a jerk!" and when Evan insulted Brittini on the Duel 2, everyone was like "Ewww, Evan is such a *******!"
But Wes does the same thing and he's a KING?
Darrel was amazing... UNTIL NOW, because he challenged Super Man Wes, he's now an idiot blah blah. Everything he said about KA was true. He told her directly, right? Everyone likes people like that right?
Wes is the cockiest person on the show, but everyone likes him. Why? I don't get it. He insults everyone. He's childish and immature.
Wes, get over yourself.[/QUOTE]
Actually I liked Ev since the Island. Strongest Female Challenger Ever!
[QUOTE=RRRWJunkie;127670]My question is this: do people really find his attitude and general ************* acceptable and likable or does everyone just hate JEK that much and feel they must side with Wes?[/QUOTE]
People usually choose the lesser of two evils. In other words, one ****** bag is better than three.
[QUOTE=rey2pokey;127674]Actually I liked Ev since the Island. Strongest Female Challenger Ever![/QUOTE]
I agree she is probably the strongest female challenger right now. I think she can beat some of the guys on her team haha.
[QUOTE=rey2pokey;127678]The Champions should have went with a Katie vs. Casey Ruins. It would have just made more sense.[/QUOTE]
The champions could have sent Katie in, but why would they choose Casey when they know she is a weak link on the challenger's team?
[QUOTE=RW561015;127668]I pretty much agree with this.
In Coral's situation, the friendship element also seemed like a big thing. She really felt betrayed by Evan, who she considered a real friend. Once she saw Evan was in on things, she was clearly upset and that's when it seemed she decided she wanted to leave. You really saw a hurt look in her eyes.
[B]Also, I personally think in Ev's case on this one, no one on the team was plotting to get rid of her or upset her. No one was trying to get rid of her in a so-called wanting to get rid of the weaker players, when in reality they wanted to get rid of people who would stand up for themselves. No one was telling her they wanted her around when they were actually wanting her gone[/B]. [B][SIZE="3"]1*[/SIZE][/B]
[B]Concerning other comments about Ev's situation: I think it's possible she didn't want to go against KA because she knew it would be more of a possibility for her to lose as well as it being a friendship thing (with the friendship thing being more of a factor). [SIZE="3"]2*[/SIZE] Why would she suggest she go against Casey? The weakest person on the Challenger team, who could cause the Challengers to lose more missions? Couldn't she have suggested she take out someone else, like Kim, maybe? [SIZE="3"]3*[/SIZE][/B]
[B]Also, Ev was not happy when she didn't get her way, either, just like Coral wasn't. Only Ev started kicking things and destroying property and got all up in Johnny's face.[/B] [SIZE="3"]4*[/SIZE]
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1* In this case nobody was plotting to get rid of her but they got her to agree to nominate herself to go into the elimination round thinking that she was going to pick who to go against when it was all a plot designed to have her go against her best friend. Obviously her team betrayed her.
2* I don't think Ev was scared of loosing to KA at all. IMO, the fact that she totally beat KA and yet let her win proves that it was the friendship aspect of the situation what really upset her.
3* Casey and KA where the only 2 options. Shauvon was at the hospital and about to leave. Remember that they have to choose from the girls that the other team nominates and in this case those were Casey, KA and Shauvon. Being that Ev has beaten even guys in elimination rounds before I don't think she had any problem going against any other girl from the other team, but her only options to choose from at that moment were Casey and KA.
4* Ev was offended that her team had plotted to put her in the elimination round against the only person she didn't want to. I'd be pretty upset too. That was totally unnecessary.
[QUOTE=dplayer18;127685]The champions could have sent Katie in, but why would they choose Casey when they know she is a weak link on the challenger's team?[/QUOTE]
True. but idk it just makes more sense since if Evelyn got her way she would have picked Casey thus eliminating her anyway.
[QUOTE=rey2pokey;127678]The Champions should have went with a Katie vs. Casey Ruins. It would have just made more sense.[/QUOTE]
I would have to disagree. The most sense would have been Katie vs. KellyAnne. That way, either the Champs lose a "weak" player, or they eliminate a strong player from the other team. Win-win.
I would have put in Ev against Kim. If Kim went then the other team would be losing a strong competetor but there was still a chance of Ev leaving. It would have been a win either way.
Kim couldn't go in. But I think Katie, Evelyn and Wes should have forced a tie and voted for Susie vs. Kelly Anne and also Johnny (the weakest male among the nominees anyway) vs. Cohutta. If they had won out and thrown Susie and/or Johnny in, whether or not they lost, it would send a message that a resistance movement does exist that everyone is always so scared of making against JEK. When people like Veronica, Ibis, Syrus and Tonya see that JEK [I]is[/I] defeatable, they lose their fear and its a whole new game.
I forgot they could not go in as well. Sorry. That went along with the planning from both teams. It did make KA seem like a better choice to pick, if going with the strategy of trying to get rid of a stronger person. But of course they plotted to get things that way.
I don't really think the plan was a great thing for either team, but oh well.
[QUOTE=whoadeedle;127427]i like the idea that someone brought up that if BMP wants to keep casting JEK in challenges they need to put them up against each other. then we will see how they really feel about each other.
i can see that they cast them because it is helping get ratings but if they keep doing it people are going to get tired of the same ol thing happening in challenges and they will stop watching.[/QUOTE]
Since BMP have abandoned the whole premise of this show, they might as well go to a 3 team format. Make JEK be "captains" on the different teams, pick their teammates from everyone else who's standing there, and watch the drama go!
[QUOTE=chica112684;127856]Since BMP have abandoned the whole premise of this show, they might as well go to a 3 team format. Make JEK be "captains" on the different teams, pick their teammates from everyone else who's standing there, and watch the drama go![/QUOTE]
This is only the 2nd time they have all been together. And on G3 they hardly ran the show. I dont think it matters who is on different teams- there will always be certain people running it. JEK, Mark, Brad, Rachel, Landon, CT...it doesnt really matter, there will always be people in control on each team.
That is what bothers me the most.
On Gauntlet 3, it wasn't JEK--It was CT, the head honcho of trimming the fat and throwing in Johnny against Evan.
On the Island- it was Johnny and Kenny- Evan wasn't there. Plus it was a different environment and the entire cast were just puppets with the exception of KA and Ev...and Ev was a sellout in the end.
Duel 2--It was Mark. Evan was just the mouthpiece. There was a daily where Brad and Evan asked permission to throw to vote somebody into the Duel.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;128146]That is what bothers me the most.
On Gauntlet 3, it wasn't JEK--It was CT, the head honcho of trimming the fat and throwing in Johnny against Evan.
On the Island- it was Johnny and Kenny- Evan wasn't there. Plus it was a different environment and the entire cast were just puppets with the exception of KA and Ev...and Ev was a sellout in the end.
Duel 2--It was Mark. Evan was just the mouthpiece. There was a daily where Brad and Evan asked permission to throw to vote somebody into the Duel.[/QUOTE]
Yeah CT and Brad played a big part in Johnny going against Evan rather then Eric. And Eric lost them money. Maybe those 2 really are too dumb to win.
[QUOTE=morris614;128154]Yeah CT and Brad played a big part in Johnny going against Evan rather then Eric. And Eric lost them money. Maybe those 2 really are too dumb to win.[/QUOTE]
I don't remember Brad having an active role, I do remember the whole team voted but it was CT who was running the show.
Regardless, this is the first time all three of them have ran the show together. Maybe if the cast members had brains this wouldn't happen. JKE may be *******s but for whatever reason, people don't like Wes. The cast members know them better than we do and have said nice things about JEK outside of challenges, but it looks like Wes is the one people have problems with. And there are other reasons why people had problems with Wes going into this challenge, it wasn't just because he didn't tell people he wasn't gonna be on it. Trust me. Everyone is taking this **** way to seriously. I do agree that is it getting old having the same people run the show, but it was getting old when Mark, Coral, Veronica, Rachel, etc. were running the show as well. Wes's five year old tempter tanrums are going to get old real fast too. Wes has been just as cocky as JEK during the past two challenges and just as terrible. And I'm saying this as a fan.
Wes has always been the outcast on challenges, I'm not sure why everyone expected this time to be different.
[QUOTE=Morris1721;126669]Emilee thinks the Duel II's opening was better...[/QUOTE]
It was. And so was RW:Cancun's. The Duel 2's was different and not the same old ****. And as for Cancun, Ayiiia coming out of the water with the side smirk? Derek in the shower looking like Jacob black? Jonna's smiling with "im a homewrecking *****" in the background. It caught all of their personalities. Cancun's intro was the best intro I have ever seen from BMP, actually second best, Battle of the Sexes 1 was the best. Too bad you can't say the same thing about the Cancun's season, but the intro was amazing.
[QUOTE=tjhallow;128363]It was. And so was RW:Cancun's. The Duel 2's was different and not the same old ****. And as for Cancun, Ayiiia coming out of the water with the side smirk? Derek in the shower looking like Jacob black? Jonna's smiling with "im a homewrecking *****" in the background. It caught all of their personalities. Cancun's intro was the best intro I have ever seen from BMP, actually second best, Battle of the Sexes 1 was the best. [B]Too bad you can't say the same thing about the Cancun's season, but the intro was amazing[/B].[/QUOTE]
Tj, stop making me love your posts.
[QUOTE=cystic;128364]Tj, stop making me love your posts.[/QUOTE]
LOL...I loved this episode. This challenge brings me back to Gauntlet 3..so entertaining.
The icing on the cake would have been if they showed Ev's rant on Coral on the aftershow. **** you BMP! I don't give a **** if her situation was "different" a quitter is still a quitter. She could have mollywhopped Kelly Anne and gave the champs **** and it have made for an entertaining challenge.
Does anyone else notice that Wes seems disappointed whenever he talks to Evan. I know they were "friends" before going into this but it just seems as if he only really had the problem with Kenny, and during the time, Johnny. It seems like when's talking to Evan he's disappointed that a friend would do that to him. Especially since Evan is the only one Wes seems to talk to about whatever is going on. It really seems like Evan and Wes had some kind of genuine friendship, I really wish they would give the back story to the viewers so we know whats really going on here. It just doesn't all add up.
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