[quote=wutzrenzi;101140]Again... how can you even compare the two?[/quote]
I never compared the two...I was adding everything up Ayiiia has done as you can see if you reread my post...Ayiiia starts it, and the guys finish it...don't like the outcome? Don't start it to begin with.
I like CJ, Joey and Ayiiia. All 3 were in the wrong. There was no need to make fun of Cj's ***** but the same time there isn't a need to make one of your roomates go home. It's a once in a lifetime experience and it shouldn't be taken for granted. I fell like it is taken for granrted by joey and Cj. NOT COOL.
Yeah but then he comes back and tries to start all this stuff. And again, who cares what Ayiiia did or did not do Joey could have been the bigger man and let it all go. Not every single thing everyone does should be made into a fight. And it's not that I prefer Ayiiia over Joey. If it was reversed I'd say the same thing. The fact is people shouldn't treat each other so bad. I don't care if it's your worst enemy that doesn't give you the right to treat them terribly. People should treat each other with respect and learn to let things go. Cj's night may have been temporarily messed up but he could have easily let it go. Joey and Ayiiia had it out and the fight was over and he could have let it go, but he chose not to. But the fact remains that when Ayiiia was there crying her eyes out it was time to let it go, even if they did think it was for attention.
[quote=OtherPplsDrama;101147]So I guess that makes you biased [B]against[/B] Ayiiia?[/quote]
No bias...I just think she reaps what she sows...I DID say "some" and not "all" were biased...big difference.
[quote=nurseallie;101149]this is soooo stupid
let me just preface this post... i have alot of experience working with ************** adults who hurt themselves. and i have dealt with attention seekers who cut as well as ppl who truly have a problem. and it ****** me off when i see ppl act like they are cutters. #1 clue its for show? they SHOW everyone. she "cut" her arm and then proceded to wear a bikini the next day? cutters are secretive, they dont want ppl to know... they hide it. rarely do they even cut a place like their arm, but if they do, they dont run around showing it off. im not saying the girl doesnt have problems. thats obvious. but she wanted the attn so everyone in the house would stop being mean. and for the most part, it worked. she got the attn and the reaction she wanted. they justified her behavior and she will not learn that way. it is very sad and i hope that one day she doesnt take her attn seeking behavior too far.
yes i agree joey took it too far and yes, he should have backed off with the cutting jokes. and i hated that he made signs telling her to go home. however, i watched the after show and they showed a clip where he said he had a friend that was a cutter and it was "intense". since he thought she (aiiya) was attention seeking, i am sure he was ****** off that someone would fake that when he knew someone who had the real problem. i dont blame him...
and if she was/is a cutter and if they were SERIOUSLY concerned about her health and mental stability, they should have sent her for help.[/quote]
My thoughts EXACTLY...thank you for speaking from experience...I know where you are coming from...it REALLY bothers me when people do this, and they DO.
[quote=RMD1;101152]there isn't a need to make one of your roomates go home. It's a once in a lifetime experience and it shouldn't be taken for granted.[/quote]
Pay attention to the after show...Ayiiia was starting too much drama with EVERYONE. Watch Emilee's reaction when Joey and CJ talked about how the house was divided with Ayiiia there, and when she was gone for a few days and sick they were all happy...and Emilee confirms it with her body language...Ayiiia and her selfish ways were tearing the house apart...think about it...Ayiiia and her drama was ruining things for more than just Joey...Ayiiia doesn't care one bit about their experience, so why should they about hers?
i think they clearly have sides. jasmine is the only one who is unbiased in the house imo.
The guys defend joey when he says how bad he treats her and the girls believe ayii when she says how the guys attack her for no reason. Regardless if that is the truth that is what happens when sides are chosen and joey makes the case for his side and ayii does as well to make themselves look favorable.
the truth is in the footage and half the time the other cast members are drunk and of course that causes 99 percent of the fights i am sure.
I just wish ayii would say you know i gotta not stir the pot all these big arguments seem to happen after i make a comment because i know they are already sensitive towards what i say because they don't like me.
And the guys need to not flip out over the littlest things. The thing is they can't get to know the real ayii even if they wanted to because she said she would never show them that side of her so there's no way the fighting will stop. Not that they want to get to know her anyway but she completely closed herself off and all they see is the negative. that's her own fault in a way.
It's so sad seeing new people being fooled by the edits. Some of you need to go back to old threads, and read from the castmembers themselves what really went down. As a vevmo member I realized how production could make someone a villian.
[quote=yupitssara;101153]Yeah but then he comes back and tries to start all this stuff. And again, who cares what Ayiiia did or did not do Joey could have been the bigger man and let it all go. Not every single thing everyone does should be made into a fight. And it's not that I prefer Ayiiia over Joey. If it was reversed I'd say the same thing. The fact is people shouldn't treat each other so bad. I don't care if it's your worst enemy that doesn't give you the right to treat them terribly. People should treat each other with respect and learn to let things go. Cj's night may have been temporarily messed up but he could have easily let it go. Joey and Ayiiia had it out and the fight was over and he could have let it go, but he chose not to. But the fact remains that when Ayiiia was there crying her eyes out it was time to let it go, even if they did think it was for attention.[/quote]
That's just my point about the whole thing too.
He didn't have to spit in her food, play his guitar in her face to annoy her, join in the fight or provoke her to the point where she hurts herself. Even if she started it.
Aiiiya is no angel, she obviously has issues rather people think she was fake or not. If she was seeking attention than she still has problems but if it was all real... than she still has problems lol.
[quote=SPK713;100988]Agreed, she has low-blowed some people but come on, they went way too far.[/quote]
I don't subscribe to this mentality that it is OK for Ayiiia to take low blows, but not Joey...if you take low blows, then don't cry victim when others take things too far...that is what happens...it's prison rules in the real world...don't like it? Then be civil in the first place...Ayiiia has not shown me any civility, nor humility...Joey has, even is he is rough around the edges.
[quote=sundream;101175]I don't subscribe to this mentality that it is OK for Ayiiia to take low blows, but not Joey...if you take low blows, then don't cry victim when others take things too far...that is what happens...it's prison rules in the real world...don't like? Then be civil in the first place...Ayiiia has not shown me any civility, nor humility...Joey has.[/quote]
No, it's a huge difference between making fun of somebody's ***** and making fun of somebody's mental disorder.
[quote=sundream;101175]I don't subscribe to this mentality that it is OK for Ayiiia to take low blows, but not Joey...if you take low blows, then don't cry victim when others take things too far...that is what happens...it's prison rules in the real world...don't like? Then be civil in the first place...Ayiiia has not shown me any civility, nor humility...Joey has.[/quote]
Did you know Joey was disrespecting Ayiiia, and burned her with his cigar, before she made the herpes comment? Did you know Emilee actually was screaming at Ayiiia about her problems, and bringing stuff from Ayiiia past, before the adoption comments (on top of that Emilee didn't even hear it)? Did you know the CD Ayiiia scratch was her copy, and Joey gave each castmember one?
Now you see why I said you can't always believe what you see. Production will make Mother Theresa a villian. Now Joey had nothing to do with the CJ/Ayiiia argument. He wanted to make her mad to make her go home. For no reason...except he doesn't like her....now doesn't that sound childish, and not being an adult?
IMO an Adult will try to solve all issues talking, and directly to the source. Not trying to get someone to be physical.
[quote=SPK713;101176]No, it's a huge difference between making fun of somebody's ***** and making fun of somebody's mental disorder.[/quote]
Like I have said a few times now...I am talking about EVERYTHING Ayiiia has said and done...and this thing about cutting...I know it's a serious thing and I am not even going to get into my "experiences" with it...but we all have skeletons in the closet, so just because Ayiiia is a "cutter" doesn't mean I am going to automatically cut her slack when she is so darn mean, especially when she says she is all good now (nice and quick like)...which makes me believe it was for attention...cutters hide it VERY well...I KNOW...she hid nothing.
Go out into the "real world" and start walking down Venice Beach and make fun of every man's small package that you see, and tell me how fast you get physically beaten (you know, like Ayiiia's threats of "murder" and "bashing" Joey's head)...it is NOT just a little thing...all pun intended! :)
[quote=sundream;101180]Like I have said a few times now...I am talking about EVERYTHING Ayiiia has said and done...and this thing about cutting...I know it's a serious thing and I am not even going to get into my "experiences" with it...but we all have skeletons in the closet, so just because Ayiiia is a "cutter" doesn't mean I am going to automatically cut her slack when she is so darn mean, especially when she says she is all good now (nice and quick like)...which makes me believe it was for attention...cutters hide it VERY well...I KNOW...she hid nothing.
Go out into the "real world" and start walking down Venice Beach and make fun of every man's small package that you see, and tell me how fast you get physically beaten (you know, like the threats of "murder" and "bashing" Joey's head)...it is NOT just a little thing...all pun intended! :)[/quote]
ONCE AGAIN...
Did you know Joey was disrespecting Ayiiia, and burned her with his cigar, before she made the herpes comment? Did you know Emilee actually was screaming at Ayiiia about her problems, and bringing stuff from Ayiiia past, before the adoption comments (on top of that Emilee didn't even hear it)? Did you know the CD Ayiiia scratch was her copy, and Joey gave each castmember one?
Now you see why I said you can't always believe what you see. Production will make Mother Theresa a villian. Now Joey had nothing to do with the CJ/Ayiiia argument. He wanted to make her mad to make her go home. For no reason...except he doesn't like her....now doesn't that sound childish, and not being an adult?
IMO an Adult will try to solve all issues talking, and directly to the source. Not trying to get someone to be physical.
[quote=sundream;101180]Like I have said a few times now...I am talking about EVERYTHING Ayiiia has said and done...and this thing about cutting...I know it's a serious thing and I am not even going to get into my "experiences" with it...but we all have skeletons in the closet, so just because Ayiiia is a "cutter" doesn't mean I am going to automatically cut her slack when she is so darn mean, especially when she says she is all good now (nice and quick like)...which makes me believe it was for attention...cutters hide it VERY well...I KNOW...she hid nothing.
Go out into the "real world" and start walking down Venice Beach and make fun of every man's small package that you see, and tell me how fast you get physically beaten (you know, like Ayiiia's threats of "murder" and "bashing" Joey's head)...it is NOT just a little thing...all pun intended! :)[/quote]
Yeah it probably was for attention, but not all cutters do it for attention. But the whole "real world" thing is true, expect they are all very good friends. It's like telling your brother your going to kill him, come on, it's obvious you wont kill him.
Producer88...you said in the beginning of the season, and in fact BEFORE IT EVEN STARTED that you were TEAM AYIIIA all the way...when I saw Joey in the cast I figured I would not like him at all...so I know your mind will not change and I am not trying to change your mind...and my mind may change regarding all the cast members...but I will answer the questions you have repeated...but seriously, take it easy! :)
[quote=producer88;101177]Did you know Joey was disrespecting Ayiiia, and burned her with his cigar, before she made the herpes comment?[/quote]
You make it sound as though Joey went and burned Ayiiia with a cigar in her sleep when in all actuality, it was most likely thrown at her when she was INCESSANTLY whining "Where's my ****ing cigarette?!" over and over and over while Joey was looking for a lost cast member...or maybe you could share with us the secret sordid details of how Joey tortured Ayiiia with burning embers?
Don't make a mountain out of a molehill.
[quote=producer88;101177]Did you know Emilee actually was screaming at Ayiiia about her problems, and bringing stuff from Ayiiia past, before the adoption comments (on top of that Emilee didn't even hear it)?[/quote]
Did you ever hear that two wrongs don't make a right? Ayiiia was wrong and mean for what she said...and besides, if I use YOUR logic here, then Joey is excused since Ayiiia takes low blows...right?
[quote=producer88;101177]Did you know the CD Ayiiia scratch was her copy, and Joey gave each castmember one?[/quote]
And that makes her actions mature in some way then?
[quote=producer88;101177]Now you see why I said you can't always believe what you see. Production will make Mother Theresa a villian.[/quote]I didn't need you to tell me that, I know all about the pricess...we all do...but again, using your own logic here, how can YOU possible know what went on 24/7? Especially when you are mostly reading Ayiiia's blog. :)
[quote=producer88;101177]Now Joey had nothing to do with the CJ/Ayiiia argument. He wanted to make her mad to make her go home. For no reason...except he doesn't like her....now doesn't that sound childish, and not being an adult?[/quote]
More adult than Ayiiia saying she wanted to murder Joey.
[quote=producer88;101177]IMO an Adult will try to solve all issues talking, and directly to the source. Not trying to get someone to be physical.[/quote]
Joey DID try to talk to Ayiiia in the beginning of the season, and he apologized and took full responsibility (Ayiiia took zero responsibility)...he pulled her to the side and she obviously was not going to have ANYTHING to do with making peace...Joey did exactly what you said adults should do...Ayiiia did not.
[quote=SPK713;101185]Yeah it probably was for attention, but not all cutters do it for attention. But the whole "real world" thing is true, expect they are all very good friends. It's like telling your brother your going to kill him, come on, it's obvious you wont kill him.[/quote]
I agree. And I was quite happy with the little ad they did with Ayiiia...that was the best part of the episode because it really sent a message and offered help for people out there...but using your logic, it obvious Joey would not want Ayiiia to kill herself...so why hold a grudge against him for saying those things you would even say to your own brother?
[quote=SPK713;101187]You're right!!! Because Joey didn't spit in her taco and go on the porch with his guitar to annoy the girls.[/quote]
Not sure what you mean here, but if you excuse Ayiiia for all of her errors, then annoying someone by playing the guitar is nothing and should be excused with the long list of Ayiiia errors that you are overlooking.
And Ayiiia could just have bought another taco...BIG DEAL...that's what happens when you act like a whiny *****, you guys are WAY TOO POLITE! :)
Can Ayiia be a you know what sometimes yes. However, Joey is a jerk to her most of the time and takes things way overboard. He walks around with this EGO and has the "intent" to cause harm in some way to Ayiia. He's also one of the most ignorant people that i've seen in awhile. He has no shame or remorse for his actions. He says she should seek help if she needed it. Ayiia needs for someone to help her get help for herself.
Joey instigated every issue. He had no business getting into the fight with Ayiiia/CJ. He burned her with a cigar, and she didn't do anything. Even if she was screaming you never treat a woman like that....each female should be treated like a queen, no matter how much you dislike her. The fact that he came back after the family death, and said he's going to be an ***, and start being a bad guy, proves how wrong he is. He goes and kisses Ayiiia and hugs her one day, and the next attacks her. Ayiiia never starts the fights....but she does give low blows when being attack just as every human. Attacking someone for no reason is sad, and I feel sad for Joey.
BTW I will always be team Ayiiia, and I don't just read her blogs. Don't ***ume things about me, because you don't know me or where I get my info.
Sometimes I ask myself do I really want to do the RW and defend every move I make?
[quote=trees12;101190]He has no shame or remorse for his actions.[/quote]
Seriously, how can you say this? I have seen Joey apologize to Ayiiia. I have not seen anything of the sort from Ayiiia.
[quote=trees12;101190]Ayiia needs for someone to help her get help for herself.[/quote]
You obviously don't understand the underlying problem...Ayiiia has to want to help herself before she will let anyone help her.
[quote=sundream;101193]Seriously, how can you say this? I have seen Joey apologize to Ayiiia. I have not seen anything of the sort from Ayiiia.
You obviously don't understand the underlying problem...Ayiiia has to want to help herself before she will let anyone help her.[/quote]
Do you know what help means? Ayiia is a great person with good intentions, but she is sick mentally. She can't help herself in that way without someone helping her. Just because she dosen't understand or know how to properly get treatment. Dosen't mean she intentionally or knowingly dosen't want help. That sound like Joey's bull****, where he says she has not seeked treatment or dosen't want it so she dosen't have a problem. Thus, he thinks she's just an attention seeker.
[quote=producer88;101192]Joey instigated every issue.[/quote]
So am I to take your word as Gospel, or are you going to explain yourself. That is not at all what I see nor is it what I have heard from actual cast members, and since you are not (that I know of) a cast member of the Cancun season, then why should I take actual cast member's words over yours?
[quote=producer88;101192]He had no business getting into the fight with Ayiiia/CJ.[/quote]
Wrong...that's what happens when you live in a house with 8 people...and especially on the Real World locked in like they are, it is a SURE THING to happen.
[quote=producer88;101192]Even if she was screaming you never treat a woman like that....each female should be treated like a queen, no matter how much you dislike her.[/quote]
Now I see the root of your logic...although, I do NOT agree with allowing women to act any way they want just because they are a woman, and that must be the reason we disagree.
[quote=producer88;101192]BTW I will always be team Ayiiia, and I don't just read her blogs. Don't assume things about me, because you don't know me or where I get my info.[/quote]Don't take it too personally Producer88, I was only repeating what you yourself wrote...I never assumed anything...I have read every single post you have made here regarding the Cancun season.
I mean, if you have certain information that will sway me, then do tell...I mean you DO want to sway me right? :)
[quote=trees12;101196]Do you know what help means?[/quote]
Can you be anymore condescending?
Sure I know what help means. My point is, that you all are excusing Ayiiia for a problem we just found out about, and there have been several people here (not just Joey) who are professionals or at least experienced in the area of which we speak and they have said it looks like attention seeking as well...but really, that point is moot, because being a cutter does not excuse you from being a *****, or does it?
Ok I'm tired of repeating myself. Joey had no business getting into CJ/Ayiiia. I don't care if he was next to them or was related to CJ. He said it himself he just wanted to get Ayiiia mad and make her go home. I don't know what instigating means to you, but my definition is someone who starts problems or basically adds "fuel to the fire." The other 5 castmates just seperated CJ/Ayiiia while Joey just wanted to fight with her, or continue to annoy her. The fact that she did NOTHING, and he post things on the walls with blood is rude. Joey kissing and hugging Ayiiia you would ***ume they are over any drama, BUT when he came back he HIMSELF said he wants her out, and is going to start being an *** for no reason....let me remind you THEY HAD NO ISSUES with each other...yet Joey wanted to fight. Once again when someone provokes you....Human nature will be attack back. Yes Ayiiia low blows where wrong, but she did not do ANYTHING to Joey for him to start with her again. Once again they where cool with each other UNTIL Joey decided to join the fight.
[quote=producer88;101202]Ok I'm tired of repeating myself.[/quote]
Seriously, I am not sure what show you have been watching, but it is CRYSTAL CLEAR that Ayiiia is just as much if not more than an instigator than Joey...Ayiiia is just a tad more sympathetic character on a "reality show", because she is a woman, and she has a mental disorder.
Sure, Joey is being a jerk to her, but she had her chance to bury the hatchet when he apologized on the beach, but she herself said she was not ready to be friends...think about it, she had her chance.
You keep saying Ayiiia has done ZERO wrong and you back it up with nothing but a vague reference to a cigar burn (which was more or less accidental)...if there are really things I am not seeing, the tell me and maybe I will be on Team Ayiiia, but don't just say you know more people on the inside track than I do and try to make that your argument.
Paint it any color you want, but the picture remains the same.
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