RW/RR Challenge: The Ruins - Spoilers & Speculation

[quote=RWChal34;67226]any confirmation on whether or not TJ Lavin will be hosting?[/quote] I am not sure, but I am assuming so.

Would it be a challenge without our friend TJ? :tender:

[quote=faceless;67214]Something about this post frustrates me. I know a lot of us who don't know these people personally can only state our opinions which are based off of only what we see so I can see why you think Darrell is the strongest because he's won every challenge he has been on. But that doesn't mean he is 100% gonna win this challenge. He didn't go into an elimination round in his first 3 challenges. He didn't in I2 because when he got out of his hole he went to collect the crabs before helping other people while Landon helped some other people get out of their holes. He went into the Exile [B]twice[/B] and he was lucky that Diem and Derrick packed so much stuff so the weight they had to carry was more, even though Derrick didn't feel like following the rules. Anyways, we don't know who the strongest is, until EVERYONE competes against each other.[/quote] That is were I stopped reading he only went to the exile once.Against Diem and Derrick the other time he won the life shield and sent Kenny and Tina instead. Also if you watch the after shows you will know that Darrell knows how to play the game and he explained it stuff like staying low profile,not making too many promises.

[quote=V1man;67210]So, in short, this is your analysis based only on watching the challenges?[/quote] Not only the challenges also the after show.I mean Darrell knows how to play the game he explained it during one after show of fresh meat.In the end of fresh meat Wes during the interview finally gets that the show is about politics and then he goes and wins the duel.I´m confident that Darrell is going to pull out the win.Nobody can beat him I mean how am I gonna believe someone like CT is the strongest competitor when he has never won a challenge?I don´t understand why you would think Darrell´s days are counted,V1?Are all the cast members trying to get rid of him?Even if they tried to get him kick out he won´t succumb.If you watch in the inferno I Leah was being disrespected by CT,Leah asked Darrell why he did not stood up for her.He said that he would have punched CT and he would have been kicked out.I mean if the contestants were jealous of him then by the I2 the guys of the bad *** team would have sent him to the inferno instead they picked The Miz or Landon in none of those meetings was Darrell´s name ever mentioned.Even Abram after saying that he could beat anyone later apologized to Darrell.You may argue that he had an alliance with Rachel and Abe but still if the other team wanted him gone then it would not have matter if he had an agreement with 2 people on the other team.The only other male that maybe on the level of Darrell is Jamie since he has never lost and won 3 challenges.In addition Tina during one interview said that by picking Wes and Casey she secure herself a 2nd place,making us believe that she also knows that no one can be Darrell.

[quote=Ctk495;67241]Not only the challenges also the after show.I mean Darrell knows how to play the game he explained it during one after show of fresh meat.In the end of fresh meat Wes during the interview finally gets that the show is about politics and then he goes and wins the duel.I´m confident that Darrell is going to pull out the win.Nobody can beat him I mean how am I gonna believe someone like CT is the strongest competitor when he has never won a challenge?I don´t understand why you would think Darrell´s days are counted,V1?Are all the cast members trying to get rid of him?Even if they tried to get him kick out he won´t succumb.If you watch in the inferno I Leah was being disrespected by CT,Leah asked Darrell why he did not stood up for her.He said that he would have punched CT and he would have been kicked out.I mean if the contestants were jealous of him then by the I2 the guys of the bad *** team would have sent him to the inferno instead they picked The Miz or Landon in none of those meetings was Darrell´s name ever mentioned.Even Abram after saying that he could beat anyone later apologized to Darrell.You may argue that he had an alliance with Rachel and Abe but still if the other team wanted him gone then it would not have matter if he had an agreement with 2 people on the other team.The only other male that I maybe to the level of Darrell is Jamie since he has never lost and won 3 challenges.[/quote] That is all your personal opinion. On the same show, Darrell was only able to win the lifeshield once where Landon won it the most on the show, a total of four times for the Good Guys (as opposed to CT for the Bad ***** winning it 5 times). Prior to Duel II, Landon won 2/2 shows that he has done. [spoiler] I am confident in saying that without Landon seriously injuring his shoulder, he would of beaten Brad in the final duel and probably be the Duel II winner [/spoiler] Anyway, this is about the Pit. I am extremely excited for Darrell, Wes, Evan, and Derrick. All seem to be the strongest males in my opinion.

[quote=RW561015;67220]I think Darrell is a good competitor, but I wouldn't consider him the most physically strong. Actually, I don't think you have to be a great competitor to make it to the end. Sometimes people have the right friends and connections to make it. Some people might not compete well in missions, but get really fierce in elimination rounds and manage to win. I believe Darrell can do well again, though, but I am nervous of him breaking his record. Preshow, though, he is one of the people I'm rooting for. I wonder if he and Derrick are still good friends. I'd love to see those two last to the end (and Brad and Syrus as well). Syrus - he is definitely a capable competitor and has proved it. He did a good job during The Inferno. He is not weak. One of the best memories of Syrus for me is when people (on both teams) were doubting he could do well because he was the oldest RW guy (and Timmy was around his age, but they didn't factor that in for him!) and he didn't work out a lot, so he was voted in the inferno, then the times for the first mission were posted and he had beaten EVERYONE! He ends up winning the lifeshield in the next mission and avoids the inferno.[/quote] Assuming that this challenge is challengers vs champions and is styled similar to G3 (I'm not saying this is the format, but speculating), and the teams are split as someone earlier in the thread provided with (Wes, Darrell, syrus, Kenny, Evan, Johnny, Derrick, Ev, Veronica, Tonya, Susie, Ibis, Johanna, and Katie ....... then imo advantage goes to Darrell as far as being the isolated & Veronica You have 2 issues imo concerning Darrelll (1.) Of all the males imo, only Wes, Derrick (depending on the Pit), or Evan has a shot at taking him in a Gauntlet. Kenny's elimination record is repulsive and of the remaining competitors on this team, he is by far the best. If Syrus is out of shape, then he will be a target, moreso than Darrell because of the "Final challenge" factor ...... ditto for Ibis and Katie. I still think Veronica is stronger than the majority of these females. (2.) Based on the cowardice of Evan - Duel apparent, he would not be willing to "sacrifice" himself to take out Darrell because he is unsure he can take him imo. this is the same uncertaintly he has shown against Davis and Nehemiah - (yeah different challenge, different time, but Evan has been fearful in all his efforts and lackluster as well. His questionable victory over Nehemiah in the duel is something he knows wasn't right). Also, I think this discord will be shared by all on this team minus Evelyn and perhaps Derrick. As for Veronica, if Evelyn plays the card she did on G3, then yes Veronica is a goner, but the question is is will Evelyn be willing to sacrifice Veronica and pass on the opportunity to get rid of a "weaker" player if the challenge plays out in this fashion. I have a strange feeling that if this is indeed a Gauntlet type of challenge, then I think this time it would be more advantagous to have larger numbers - ala G2.

Spoiler tags please, some people don't know the outcome of the Duel 2.

[quote=Darock1713;67250]Assuming that this challenge is challengers vs champions and is styled similar to G3 (I'm not saying this is the format, but speculating), and the teams are split as someone earlier in the thread provided with (Wes, Darrell, syrus, Kenny, Evan, Johnny, Derrick, Ev, Veronica, Tonya, Susie, Ibis, Johanna, and Katie ....... then imo advantage goes to Darrell as far as being the isolated & Veronica You have 2 issues imo concerning Darrelll (1.) Of all the males imo, only Wes, Derrick (depending on the Pit), or Evan has a shot at taking him in a Gauntlet. Kenny's elimination record is repulsive and of the remaining competitors on this team, he is by far the best. If Syrus is out of shape, then he will be a target, moreso than Darrell because of the "Final challenge" factor ...... ditto for Ibis and Katie. I still think Veronica is stronger than the majority of these females. (2.) Based on the cowardice of Evan - Duel apparent, he would not be willing to "sacrifice" himself to take out Darrell because he is unsure he can take him imo. this is the same uncertaintly he has shown against Davis and Nehemiah - (yeah different challenge, different time, but Evan has been fearful in all his efforts and lackluster as well. His questionable victory over Nehemiah in the duel is something he knows wasn't right). Also, I think this discord will be shared by all on this team minus Evelyn and perhaps Derrick. As for Veronica, if Evelyn plays the card she did on G3, then yes Veronica is a goner, but the question is is will Evelyn be willing to sacrifice Veronica and pass on the opportunity to get rid of a "weaker" player if the challenge plays out in this fashion. I have a strange feeling that if this is indeed a Gauntlet type of challenge, then I think this time it would be more advantagous to have larger numbers - ala G2.[/quote] What u mean ditto Ibis and Katie?

Landon might he perform better on the challenges but Darrell is there only for getting paid in the end.It´s not my personal opinion all of them are proves and descriptions of the events.I did not make anything up :/ Here are some quotes from the Inferno 1,real world meeting in deciding who should go to the inferno. Coral:I don´t think we should **** around with Darrell. Syrus (With a nervous face): I don´t think so either. Syrus :He is a ¨****ing boxer. David:Well Leah:Mentally and physically so in tune into things. Everybody in the real world team(This includes CT,The Miz,Coral,Syrus, Leah and David.):We are going for Timmy. Leah: I´ll be the worst mistake ever to put anyone there with Darrell there´s no way that anyone is going to beat him. I hope this is enough prove,in addition this is the second and only time Darrell has ever been choose for an elimination round the other was Fresh meat.

[quote=Dartagnan;67256]Darock, that was a nicely said post. Darrell has many factors both working against him and for him. I [B]honestly think Ev has learned her lesson in regards to throwing Challenges, etc. While the guys may have not, I think Ev is a different person. [/B] He's referring to the fact that they may try to get rid of Katie and Ibis if that were the case.[/quote] I could have sworn V1man wrote something about Ev getting rid of Veronica. Regardless, I think its catty. If Rachel was given the chance to redeem herself, so should Veronica.

[quote=rw/rrjunkie;67254]What u mean ditto Ibis and Katie?[/quote] I mean their endurance factor and them being weak players. Ibis may have gotten in shape, but I wouldn't bet on it. Kaite smokes and has no endurance based on all other previous challenges. Perhaps she went into a telephone booth and has transformed herself into Super Katie, but I doubt it. Again, not knowing the challenge, it's hard to say. However, if the format does wind up being similar to G3, then I also think Evelyn will have a moment f clarity in remembering the results of keeping Big Easy around, and may decide to go for someone other than Veronica at the initial outset. I still think winning trumps personal differences. If it's a FM concept with individual eliminations, then the strategy becomes building the strongest possibe team for a Final, and going in to rid yourself of a weak partner (if teams are randomly pick and eliminations are individual). In that scenario, the weaker players may have a better chance to get to the Finals depending on who their partner is. I can see Evan being paired with someone like Ibis and would be scared to risk losing to someone like Dunbar with Tonya, Evelyn, or Diem as a partner

[QUOTE=Ctk495;67255]Landon might he perform better on the challenges but Darrell is there only for getting paid in the end.It´s not my personal opinion all of them are proves and descriptions of the events.I did not make anything up :/ Here are some quotes from the Inferno 1,real world meeting in deciding who should go to the inferno. Coral:I don´t think we should **** around with Darrell. Syrus (With a nervous face): I don´t think so either. Syrus :He is a ¨****ing boxer. David:Well Leah:Mentally and physically so in tune into things. Everybody in the real world team(This includes CT,The Miz,Coral,Syrus, Leah and David.):We are going for Timmy. Leah: I´ll be the worst mistake ever to put anyone there with Darrell there´s no way that anyone is going to beat him. I hope this is enough prove,in addition this is the second and only time Darrell has ever been choose for an elimination round the other was Fresh meat.[/QUOTE] I have a hard time understanding the entirety of your post, but I'm going to assume that "prove" actually means "proof". The Inferno was 5 years ago. A lot changes in 5 years. I think it's hard to prove that he is still at the same physical prime he was at 5 years ago...we just have to wait and see.

I hope that the format works out so that it's better to have more people (assuming that there are large teams of course). I feel like if it is that way, we'll get to see some competition and no one will be throwing missions like on G3.

Regarding Darrell, Evan and Coral won most of the challenges in FM up until they were both hurt. I truly believe that Evan and Coral would have won the final mission, if they were allowed to stay. Darrell has competition.

I don't know what else to say. The most important part of my last post was skipped over so I'll say it again. We don't know who is the strongest until EVERYONE competes against each other in the same event. ALSO, not one person is the same all the time. People perform well on some things and bad on others. It's like that with everyone. Wes performed very well in the swimming mission with the surfboards, but it isn't like anytime water may be involved, he will destroy everyone else. It is all about the mentality and timing at the specific moment. For me at least. Anyways, if this challenge is either 2 large teams, Champions vs Challengers, or the Fresh Meat style where a champion teams up with a challengers, I will be pretty excited. Although there are some teams that I wish could be together but both are challengers or champions, like Derrick and Ev. Does anyone think there will be a Derrick and Diem team again?

[quote=Ctk495;67241]Not only the challenges also the after show.I mean Darrell knows how to play the game he explained it during one after show of fresh meat.In the end of fresh meat Wes during the interview finally gets that the show is about politics and then he goes and wins the duel.I´m confident that Darrell is going to pull out the win.Nobody can beat him I mean how am I gonna believe someone like CT is the strongest competitor when he has never won a challenge?I don´t understand why you would think Darrell´s days are counted,V1?Are all the cast members trying to get rid of him?Even if they tried to get him kick out he won´t succumb.If you watch in the inferno I Leah was being disrespected by CT,Leah asked Darrell why he did not stood up for her.He said that he would have punched CT and he would have been kicked out.I mean if the contestants were jealous of him then by the I2 the guys of the bad *** team would have sent him to the inferno instead they picked The Miz or Landon in none of those meetings was Darrell´s name ever mentioned.Even Abram after saying that he could beat anyone later apologized to Darrell.You may argue that he had an alliance with Rachel and Abe but still if the other team wanted him gone then it would not have matter if he had an agreement with 2 people on the other team.The only other male that maybe on the level of Darrell is Jamie since he has never lost and won 3 challenges.In addition Tina during one interview said that by picking Wes and Casey she secure herself a 2nd place,making us believe that she also knows that no one can be Darrell.[/quote] While we are definitely in agreement that Darrell is a good competitor and not someone people would see as an easy win, in I2 Darrell had his tracks covered by more than just Rachel and Abram. Darrell and Brad were in an alliance with CT and Derrick on that challenge as well. That is why they kept throwing in Mike and Landon. So Darrell had three of five BA guys saving him, Rachel saving him, and Veronica and Tina were friends with him. And Veronica said in an interview for that challenge that she likes to keep her friends around to enjoy the experience with. So Darrell is a good, strong competitor physically AND he is good at having alliances. I wonder if Brad is friends with Darrell still, as well. And Darrell seemed to be cool with Kenny, too. [QUOTE]I don't know what else to say. The most important part of my last post was skipped over so I'll say it again. We don't know who is the strongest until EVERYONE competes against each other in the same event. ALSO, not one person is the same all the time. People perform well on some things and bad on others. It's like that with everyone.[/QUOTE] I agree. You can't say for sure who will win or perform well. In speculating, though, all we have to use is past history, and that's why it's called upon so much. But we can't be 100% sure of what will occur. Strange things have happened on these shows.

@Darrock I agree with your post.But let´s see the other side: [U]Evan[/U]:He usually get´s really nervous during eliminations rounds and doesn´t seems to have the proper mindset.So he´s out. Derrick:I respect D he is a solid competitor but he lost in the gauntlet against Timmy and he already lost against Darrell on Fresh Meat. Wes: Was is my favorite in this challenges but by the way he plays he is more a manipulator and I don´t going to elimination rounds in this one just like the duel.In fresh meat he was new but this time around he isn´t.Plus knowing Wes he´ll try his best to not face such as strong competitor as Darrell.And if he did he would not win D almost beat him in the duel and Evan and CT could have beat him easily.So he his out. That leaves us with nobody.

You guys are funny.

[QUOTE=Ctk495;67269]@Darrock I agree with your post.But let´s see the other side: [U]Evan[/U]:He usually get´s really nervous during eliminations rounds and doesn´t seems to have the proper mindset.So he´s out. Derrick:I respect D he is a solid competitor but he lost in the gauntlet against Timmy and he already lost against Darrell on Fresh Meat. Wes: Was is my favorite in this challenges but by the way he plays he is more a manipulator and I don´t going to elimination rounds in this one just like the duel.In fresh meat he was new but this time around he isn´t.Plus knowing Wes he´ll try his best to not face such as strong competitor as Darrell.And if he did he would not win D almost beat him in the duel and Evan and CT could have beat him easily.So he his out. That leaves us with nobody.[/QUOTE] Yeah, and you're going to tell me that Darrell is going to play a perfect game? He's never going to perform poorly? Have a bad day? Your reasoning is flawed. And please reread your posts before you post. They barely make sense.

[quote=Dartagnan;67272]That is true. But I meant more in regards to throwing Challenges rather than conspiring to get somebody out, but I guess it is still possible with her. And I agree, Rachel came back and welcomed with open arms and post people changed their minds, and she made friends. Maybe V could do the same.[/quote] Well she was all for throwing challenges to get the three girls out for G3. As for Ev, she knows what its like to be the outcast, and hopefully she doesn't act like she did on G3.

[quote=tjhallow;67278]Well she was all for throwing challenges to get the three girls out for G3. As for Ev, she knows what its like to be the outcast, and hopefully she doesn't act like she did on G3.[/quote] I agree tj. I totally understand what your thoughts are regarding her. I am actually interested in seeing what Tonya and Veronica's interaction will be like, just the two of them. Tonya has been up and down and back and forth with people who have had issues with her before. Tina couldn't stand her for most of BOTS2, but there was a brief period in the middle of their issues with each other in which they had squashed their issues. Rachel was being nicer to Tonya on The Island. Even on I2 there were moments in which the girls decided to be nicer to Tonya, and she accepted them. So I think it might be on Veronica as to how her and Tonya might get along on this challenge.

[QUOTE=Dartagnan;67272]That is true. But I meant more in regards to throwing Challenges rather than conspiring to get somebody out, but I guess it is still possible with her. And I agree, Rachel came back and welcomed with open arms and post people changed their minds, and she made friends. Maybe V could do the same.[/QUOTE] This is a speculation thread.... does that make my speculation catty? I doubt it. Throwing challenges have long been a part of the fabric of the challenges. Whether or not one can do it quietly, depends entirely upon the specific rules. The history of challenge winners is that they actually do plan and study their options before any challenge. These are the Alpha game players. Just because Tonya has thought about how to deal with Veronica does not mean it would be necessary in the context of this challenge design. It is just a plan...

[quote=V1man;67293]This is a speculation thread.... does that make my speculation catty? I doubt it. Throwing challenges have long been a part of the fabric of the challenges. Whether or not one can do it quietly, depends entirely upon the specific rules.[/quote] V1, I wrote that catty past. I didn't mean your speculation being catty, I just think its catty to throw a challenge to get rid of someone.

[quote=Dartagnan;67256]Darock, that was a nicely said post. Darrell has many factors both working against him and for him. I honestly think Ev has learned her lesson in regards to throwing Challenges, etc. While the guys may have not, I think Ev is a different person. He's referring to the fact that they may try to get rid of Katie and Ibis if that were the case.[/quote] I agree with the fact that Darrell does have factors for and opposing. I guess depending on the type of game, he will know his position. I still would like to believe that he is perhaps 3rd or 4th in pecking order in regards to physical and social game play. As for Ev, I think the loss on G3 and The Island has transformed her. You're right she is a much different social player, but I still think The Island will leave some discord between her and her boat mates (inparticular Johnny & Kenny). With that said, I am unsure that she would not throw missions if this is indeed a Gauntlet style challenge to "cut the fat". This could also be an inferno type of challenge as well, and if that's the case, then having alliance members on the other team would strongly favor a Wes/Kelly Anne/ Ev axis and Veronica and Darrell would find themselves more likely to be involved in a few elimination battles. I think Ev will do what is advantageous for her and her team without degrading a competitor, even Veronica.