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I'm watching right now. Arian is out of her mind.. and apparently her mother is too.
[quote=Insider;63815]I'm watching right now. Arian is out of her mind.. and apparently her mother is too.[/quote] I'm watching as well, and I agree =P
Well, guess that just proves furthermore.. AND Charm school 3 preview! Didn't know they were playing those
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I watched this morning. Trust me...it'll get worse. Those women have no respect for themselves.
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Jessa is starting to get on my nerves. I totally read her wrong. She's like this mean negative person that pretends to be whatever will get her through a situation... aka FAKE. Not cool Jessa.
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I understand why the girls think Steve can be a jerk, but Arian and Jessa are BABIES! You signed up for it cause you needed help. Truth hurts. The level of distain and disrespect they showed Steve at dinner was unnecessary and unacceptable.
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I don't understand why one of the other girls doesn't speak up and say.. "Excuse me.... Psycho... Don't throw your crap down the stairs. It makes you look stupid."
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Cause she WANTs the attention!
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[quote=OtherPplsDrama;63833]I understand why the girls think Steve can be a jerk, but Arian and Jessa are BABIES! You signed up for it cause you needed help. Truth hurts. The level of distain and disrespect they showed Steve at dinner was unnecessary and unacceptable.[/quote] I completely and totally concur.
It's called Tough Love...mean they sorta had to expect it.
I am so glad he sent that skanky ***** home...She is such a baby, all she wanted was to be center of attention and it got to a point where it was just pathetic. Her asking the other girls to come with her just proved that she is a sinking ship and wants everyone to go down with her to make her feel better about herself. Jessa is just as much a child, have you seen her little temper tantrums with the eye rolling and head bobbing, LOL.
[quote=Stacee_Danielle;63885]I am so glad he sent that skanky ***** home...She is such a baby, all she wanted was to be center of attention and it got to a point where it was just pathetic. Her asking the other girls to come with her just proved that she is a sinking ship and wants everyone to go down with her to make her feel better about herself. Jessa is just as much a child, have you seen her little temper tantrums with the eye rolling and head bobbing, LOL.[/quote] I think it was pretty clear that Arian did not value herself at all, I mean the first time they showed her she was writing out a list of the first 100 guys she had slept with. Who does that? Especially on TV! She was so rude and disrespectful to Steve, and her Mom that was horrible. But I almost thought Steve had a little crush on Arian. At first I thought that Taylor and Jodi would annoy the crap out of me, but they are the ones I like the best. Taylor has grown so much. Jessa is miss fatal attraction and I think that says it all!:girl_wacko:
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[quote=LilysMom;63986]I think it was pretty clear that Arian did not value herself at all, I mean the first time they showed her she was writing out a list of [B]the first 100 guys she had slept with[/B]. [/quote] Well you know what they say, You never forget your first hundred. [quote=LilysMom;63986]At first I thought that Taylor and Jodi would annoy the crap out of me, but they are the ones I like the best. [/quote] I agree. I have really come to like Jodi a lot. I think she's done a great job of working on herself and finally letting herself in to someone else, especially since she was leary about dating someone with children. It was soooo cute last week when she met Shane's son and in the interview afterward he said, "Yeah I'd like it if Jodi was my dad's girlfriend." You could tell how touched she was by that she was just beaming! Taylor got on my nerves a lot at first, but at least she is trying. She's actively working on her faults and opening herself up to meeting different men. Valentino is HOT I hope she keeps seeing him! Other than Arian and Jessa's BS, I like these women. There are so many times when I see them come back from a date or watching them watch their feedback and I notice I have a smile on [I]my[/I] face too. It's neat to see these women become happy and confident. Good for you Steve, you're doing it right!
[QUOTE=LilysMom;63986] At first I thought that Taylor and Jodi would annoy the crap out of me, but they are the ones I like the best. Taylor has grown so much. [B]Jessa is miss fatal attraction and I think that says it all![/B]:girl_wacko:[/QUOTE] Ummm, did yuou see that girl without makeup in that "confessional" It was seriously scary.
Is that Arian in this photo?? [url=http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=8305083&albumID=2865834&imageID=65061436#a=2865834&i=65061440]Vh1 Allstars Photo Gallery - Photo 1 of 8 by C.A.G.E from VH1s daisy of love aka Aric Nelson? - MySpace Photos[/url] ETA: I think it is, I just noticed she is on his top friends She wrote a blog about the last eppy... [url]http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=378031&blogId=485998879[/url]
Arian as a whole just irritated the hell out of me! Ugh she cried and cried and wanted things her way, and thought that Steve [[or whatever his name is]] would have positive things to say?? Get real! Sending her home was a good solution, everything he said trying to better Arian, she just got offensive and was closed minded toward change..She was content with her promiscuous ways..and was basically in denial that she had issues communicating with men..she definitely had to get herself together before trying to make a man's life hell lol..
[quote=Stacee_Danielle;64823]Is that Arian in this photo?? [URL="http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=8305083&albumID=2865834&imageID=65061436#a=2865834&i=65061440"]Vh1 Allstars Photo Gallery - Photo 1 of 8 by C.A.G.E from VH1s daisy of love aka Aric Nelson? - MySpace Photos[/URL] ETA: I think it is, I just noticed she is on his top friends She wrote a blog about the last eppy... [url=http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=378031&blogId=485998879]MySpace.com Blogs - Arian from VH1's TOUGH LOVE MySpace Blog[/url][/quote] Most definitely her in the pictures...small world huh? lol Anyway I don't think that many of these girls have met someone like Steve and aren't use to what he says/does. Though seeing the episode it was funny to see all the girl's speaking up when Jessa was confronting Steve. The show was actually good...I thought it'd be hokey or something but it turned out to be watchable.
For those who are just writing about what you saw on TV, you really need to read what Arian has to say. It is perhaps the most dramatic condemnation of a TV production I've heard about and I've been hearing about things like this for years. This is her myspace blog. [QUOTE] MY HEAD IS SPINNING AFTER THAT LAST EPISODE Wow... That last episode was SO hard to watch! I dont even know where to start. First, with the panic attack... I could overhear production through my window talking about me. I knew something bad was planned for me but I didnt know what (were they throwing me out? Bringing my abusive ex boyfriend?) I have had anxiety attacks my whole life... Sitting there for hours with nothing to think about but my impending doom while I was already worn down from weeks of being told everything about me (the way I dress, my sense of humor etc) was WRONG I lost it. We all have our breaking points and I had just reached mine. OF COURSE i wish I handled thing differently... That was HUMILIATING! Throwing the luggage down the stairs. I just let it fall... It was heavy and no one would help me and I wanted to run out of there like the place was on fire! I had just had enough. I was crying about leaving for a few reasons... One was Jessa. She was my best friend there and I didnt want to leave her to deal with shit alone. Another was... Well, I went there to be on TV and I didnt want to lose airtime LOL. I was also just drained and not even thinking clearly. People on reality TV act crazy bc you are in a crazy environment. We were in a house with no TV, no music, no newspaper (I didnt even know what was going on in the real world the whole time I was there), little contact with family and NO contact with friends. A lot of times we were locked in a bedroom together for hours while they set up the house for different things. For the record... I DID NOT KNOW IT WAS A BOOTCAMP GOING IN! I was told it was a fun matchmaking show that would give me the exposure I was looking for! I was mislead and pissed about that from day one. Then they send in Steve! The first thing he did was insult EVERY one of us before even getting to know us! He only knew what casting had on our applications. After he pissed me off multiple times the FIRST DAY I decided then and there I didnt respect him. Did I think he was hot? YES! I am not denying that I was attracted to him at first... His personality quickly turned me off! He was rude to everyone... The cast, the crew... He was NOT a nice person. He wouldnt even make eye contact with ANY of the girls when cameras were off. Can you see how condescending he is when he speaks to Natasha... The bullshit look of concern on his face? As far as my relationship with my mother... She was very strict with me growing up... Never out past 9, no swearing, no drinking etc. I was a VERY good girl when I was under her care. It was when I moved out that I became a wild child. I was pretty sheltered until college. I said things to my mom that made her uncomfortable... She laughs when she is uncomfortable. She only came on the show bc she knew I was getting really worn out and I needed her... SHE HATES CAMERAS. She was petrified... Deer in headlights. My issues growin up were my dad and I didnt get along... When he gets mad he says VERY mean hurtful things and I never really got over my issues with that. My mom was my ROCK! If it werent for her I can honestly say I may not be here right now.... I have gone through a LOT of emotional issues... I am still learning to cope with my anxiety and depression and I could NEVER do that without my mom. She is an AMAZING person and does NOT deserve the negativity. If we were home and I said those things she would have told me to shut my mouth! She knew I was doing and saying shit for the sake of TV. I wanted my 15 min and I knew how to get it. I am NOT overly sexual all the time in real life... I talk about MANY other things on a daily basis.... I knew my character and I played into it. I am not stupid... I did not want to blend it. Look at NY from I love NY... She didnt get her own show because everyone loved her so much! I did my homework on reality TV land and I knew what would work for me. I DO have a very sexual sense of humor and in person it comes across fine but taken out of context it just looks trashy. I DID NOT TOUCH PAULS **** UNDER THE TABLE! He was talking about his leg workout and said he was sore.. I grabbed it and he said ouch... So I made a joke.. Are you ***** now? I never ever went near his package! That would be SO rude! I didnt know if he was an actor, had a gf (Which he did) etc... I am very good friends with him now. His gf certainly wouldnt allow that if I had touched him inappropriately! On my group therapy where they show my *** on the pool table.. That wasnt what was really show when we were there. It was a clip of Steve talking to my date... Scott. Scott was saying how cool I was and how he really liked me! All my dates respected me and liked me regardless of what they want you to think. I wasnt trying to actually date any of the guys. No one was my type physically. I was just having fun with shit.... I wasnt looking to be taken seriously. If I am actually going to try to date a guy I WAIT to have sex with him... My last boyfriend waited a month! If I am just having fun.. Well, I am just having fun. It is that simple. Guys do it all the time and they are burned at the stake for it... I shouldnt be either. FOR THE RECORD... I DO NOT HAVE STDs. Save that bullshit for someone else. I am careful and I GET TESTED. I would never put someone in harms way like that! The rape coment sturck a nerve bc I HAD been drugged and raped a few years ago... It was brutal and disgusting when happened and I immediately flashed back to that when he said it. I never pressed charges and I never talked about it again. I didnt realize that i never really got over it! Thank you Steve for reminding me! He didnt voice it in concern... That is what he wants you to think. He HATED me... He said it himself on the VH1 blog "He loathes me." You dont voice concern for someone you loathe. He did NOT want to help any of us. He wanted his 15 min... That I cant fault him for bc that is what I wanted too but I would NEVER do it at the expense of other peoples feelings. Watch carefully... I never talk about anyone and I am always hugging and supporting the other girls. I am a VERY GENUINE, KIND HEARTED person. I hate that they only show one part of my personality. I DID talk about a lot of topics with the guys but I WAS THERE FOR RATINGS. They arent going to show me talking about college etc... It isnt interesting enough. When all is said and done my only regret is my mom coming to see me... She got a bad name and it was undeserved. I hate seeing her hurt like she is now... It is KILLING me. She is afraid to go to the store for milk and I cant even be there to make it better for her! I am 27 years old... She, nor anyone else can control my actions. I have been on my own since 18... I am not under her roof. If you want to be mad at anyone for what you saw on TV when she was there then be mad at me. She is INNOCENT in this. She came as a concerned mother... She had NO desire to be on TV. Once again let me reiterate... I DO have problems.. I am NOT perfect. Steve was not a therapist and NOT qualified to try to pull apart the issues that I have. I was BLINDSIDED and Tough Love was the WRONG show for me... But I have to live with the choices (good and bad) that I have made and just pray that you can read between the lines. You dont have to agree with my behavior but I havent done anything to deserved hatred... I would never hurt anyone else and I dont deserve to be hurt![/QUOTE] If only 50% of what she says is true, then the producers were truly sick ********... as so is Steve for going along with it.
[QUOTE=V1man;64943]For those who are just writing about what you saw on TV, you really need to read what Arian has to say. It is perhaps the most dramatic condemnation of a TV production I've heard about and I've been hearing about things like this for years. [B]If only 50% of what she says is true, then the producers were truly sick ********... as so is Steve for going along with it.[/B][/QUOTE] I agree...when I posted it, I hadn't read it yet, but after reading it I really started to feel bad for her...I mean did she act ****** and whorish...yes, BUT that is what they wanted her to do. I don't think they had enough drama so they used her to make the show look good. I still enjoyed watching, but I went into this knowing that they were all type cast and that it wouldn't all be real.
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Thanks for sharing that V. It does give some perspective.
[QUOTE=OtherPplsDrama;64970]Thanks for sharing that V. It does give some perspective.[/QUOTE] Yeah I also remember thinking that her mother seemed very nervous and uncomfortable when Arian was telling her of all her sexcapades. I don't think her mother deserves any type of BS that Arian says she has been getting.
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[quote=Stacee_Danielle;64976]Yeah I also remember thinking that her mother seemed very nervous and uncomfortable when Arian was telling her of all her sexcapades. I don't think her mother deserves any type of BS that Arian says she has been getting.[/quote] Agreed. Shame on me, I shouldn't have been so critical of someone's mother, especially since I know how these shows can be. :crap:
[QUOTE=OtherPplsDrama;64983]Agreed. Shame on me, I shouldn't have been so critical of someone's mother, especially since I know how these shows can be. :*********] I feel you girl, I jumped to many conclusions myself and said some mean things...after I read her blog last night I rewatched the mom scenes and it was very obvious to me after I knew what I was looking at/for.
[quote=Stacee_Danielle;64989]I feel you girl, I jumped to many conclusions myself and said some mean things...after I read her blog last night I rewatched the mom scenes and it was very obvious to me after I knew what I was looking at/for.[/quote] Yeah this is a tough one especially with family involved. On one hand it makes me sick what people do to make "good TV" on the other you basically sign your life away for your 15 minutes of fame.
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I guess the whole deal with Arian's mom is just hard for me to swallow. There is no way I could say those things infront of my mother. If I did my mom wouldn't hesitate to shut me up regardless of the company we were in. I suppose I need to remind myself that not everyone is the same. However, Arian made remarks about how her mom is "just like her" and that's why it was cool for her to act that way. I think some of the blame for the reaction her mom gets lies with Arian.
It seemed like the mom was uncomfortable with everything that was going on, that much I could gather. I do truly feel bad if her mother is being harrassed because I don't think anyone deserves to sit at home afraid to buy milk because they supported their kid on a reality show. Arian herself admits that she knew exactly what she was doing, so whatever short straw edit she gets comes with the territory, but I don't think that should apply to parents/family/friends that get pulled into it. Arian's comments are interesting but not entirely unexpected, I think we all know by this point what the story is, pretty much every chick on the show already had an acting resume before they got there, they weren't there to become better people, they were there to make for good tv. Clearly Arian knew that just as much as the producers did.
[QUOTE=Insider;65028]I guess the whole deal with Arian's mom is just hard for me to swallow. There is no way I could say those things infront of my mother. If I did my mom wouldn't hesitate to shut me up regardless of the company we were in. I suppose I need to remind myself that not everyone is the same. However, Arian made remarks about how her mom is "just like her" and that's why it was cool for her to act that way. I think some of the blame for the reaction her mom gets lies with Arian.[/QUOTE] I've talked to Arian twice and found her to be both engaging and funny. Since I've not heard production's side of things, I'm not going to say that Arian's mother was abused on set and in the edit by production, but I certainly have serious questions for them about their ethics. Reality producers are generally a shameless lot, but what I know of these people thus far has turned me off. And, for what it's worth, I've talked to several other cast members from this show and not one had a kind word to say "privately" about Steve or the producers.
[QUOTE=V1man;65060] And, for what it's worth, I've talked to several other cast members from this show and not one had a kind word to say "privately" about Steve or the producers.[/QUOTE] Thanks for sharing that V1...I kept going back and forth on her character on the show and then I would read her posts on Vh1's message boards and she seems really nice and intelligent but her behavior on the show was completely opposite. Of course I have to keep in mind that this is all FAKE...or at least to a certain extent. I just read Steve's "blog" [QUOTE][B]You invited not just exes but siblings and parents and friends to the dinner party. Why was that? Why not make it an all-exes affair?[/B]Not everybody's ex cared. Not every ex had something to say. So, we brought people on the show that we thought would give us insight. We first tried exes, then we did family and if we couldn't get family, we tried friends. That's pretty much the hierarchy of who affects the client. [B]Any surprises? Taylor's mom was maybe a little sweeter than I might have expected.[/B] Taylor's mom was terrific. Going into boot camp, I would have put Taylor and Arian on the same footing in terms of what I expected, based on their home videos and the information I had before I met them. It turns out their two mothers could not have been more different. [B]Speaking of that, you entered the party conversation with Arian's mom to find her "livid," in Arian's words. How uncomfortable was that exchange for you?[/B] The amount of restraint and resolve required to maintain my composure and poise was unlike anything I've ever had to manage before. It was by far the most challenging experience of my life to just sit there and know with absolute certainty that people will judge for themselves who came out on top of that conversation. You could say that I believed in the dignity of the American people. [B]Why didn't you hand her her ***? It seems like you typically need much less of an excuse to do so.[/B] My mom raised me not to be disrespectful in front of your elders, and not to be disrespectful in front of someone else's parent. That's why I used appropriate vernacular, such as "********." I don't care if I get mocked for using the appropriate language. OK, mock me for using "a" instead of "an" and "the" instead of "da." Please, she's mocking me for having cl***? Sorry. [B]Jacklyn starts out the party sort of shaky...[/B]I thought she handled herself pretty well. When Brock first got there, of course, she was uncomfortable and then Jody didn't really help matters, as far as Jacklyn was concerned. When it came time to address the situation, Jacklyn kept saying, "I'm a big girl, I can take care of myself." And then she took care of it. I was proud of how Jacklyn handled the situation. [B]Natasha's drunken episode was her low point, I'd say.[/B] It really was. She really disappointed me. Her behavior was far worse than what you saw. We didn't want to embarr*** this guy that we had introduced her to. He didn't do anything to provoke her. She really humiliated him. And she blacked out. It doesn't get worse than that. [B]Did that tell you anything about Natasha that you didn't know before?[/B] No! It only reaffirmed what I already knew: she would rather hide from her troubles than confront them and deal with them head-on. That's why she's always dated losers in the first place. She'd rather focus on their problems and issues than look herself in the mirror. But she gets it. This low point was also the breaking point for her. It's the same thing when Taylor had her breakdown about being a gold digger, when she explained why she was and what happened to her son. It was a very cathartic moment, and I think Natasha needed that. [B]What seemed worrisome to me was how late in the game this went down. Natasha was improving steadily and then it was like: what?[/B] Well, I believe that a person's character is forged by the obstacles they face and the perseverance they use to overcome them. That's why I commended Jacklyn for handling herself as well as she possibly could without using alcohol as an excuse for her behavior. After the session with your mom and Arian's mom, did you feel like you got through to her at all? I knew before her mom even came into my office that I had to let Arian go. I knew as soon as I left that dinner table that she shouldn't stay in Boot Camp because she wasn't willing to do the work. The producers did the right thing by giving me the authority to do what was best. [B]Why was it so necessary to get rid of her with only one episode left?[/B] She was poisoning the well. And it was at the expense of the potential benefits to the rest of the girls on the show. It was all about Arian, and that's bad for the overall Boot Camp. And she was trying to get the other girls to say they didn't learn anything from the experience, which is unfair to the whole group. Plus it became more and more apparent that Arian needed help beyond what my mom and I could provide for her. Basically, it came down to Arian and Jessa conspiring against me. [B]Did they influence anyone? Their union didn't seem to include anyone else.[/B] It was basically Jessa and Arian versus Jody and Taylor. Natasha and Abiola weren't in ongoing relationships and hadn't really turned the corner. They hadn't really decided yet if I was the real deal. Abiola had interviewed that she never has trouble meeting men, but at least I showed her that she deserved high quality men. That's why she had faith in me. Same thing with Natasha. She didn't have the success that she would have liked at that point, but at least I was introducing her to good quality men. She was appreciative of that. Taylor and Jody gave me and my mom all the credit in the world, but Jessa and Arian felt like they were doing this all on their own. As soon as Arian was gone, and Jessa was by herself, she turned to Abiola and said, "Did you learn anything?" Abiola replied, "Yeah. Yeah, I have." As soon as Jessa realized that she couldn't conspire against me and my mom called her out on it, that's when she was like, "Whoa, whoa, whoa, OK," and went right back into, playing the part she felt she needed to play in order to fit in with the group. That's why I had such difficulty with Jessa: she was constantly waffling. [B]You know what I thought was funny about the Arian ordeal? She's claiming a lack of investment in your method, yet she had a panic attack at the very notion of being put in the hot seat. Clearly, she cared.[/B] Arian wanted to feel like she was in charge and had control over me, just like she has control over every other man. She tried sexual innuendo and it didn't work. It had the reverse effect. So when she was sitting in group, she sensed what was coming. She knew exactly what I was working my way up to, and so did Jessa. They didn't say a word while I was doing my thing, commending the women and giving them credit. I had planned on asking Arian to leave Boot Camp from the onset of group that night, and that's why I said there wasn't going to be a hot seat. That night it was more clear than ever that she needed to be dismissed from the show. Her panic attack, which was completely real, un-fake and totally legitimate, was her last-ditch attempt to get the sympathy vote. I ran right in there: "Are you OK?" It backfired on her. It reaffirmed that she couldn't be there, that she wasn't emotionally sound enough to handle the experience. I feel for Arian and hope that she eventually gets to a place of greater emotional peace and when she does I am sure she will find love. [B]She started throwing her luggage down the stairs, thus proving you right.[/B] Yeah. It was disappointing. She acted like a petulant child. Who does that? Concede defeat and then get the hell out of there. And then disrespect my mom? [B]Speaking of validation, did you have a sense of that when Taylor's mom said that she saw a difference in her daughter thanks to you?[/B] That was a very gratifying moment for me. Did you see what her mom did when she walked through the door? The first thing she did was comment on Taylor's face and how much softer she looked. How much more feminine and more approachable. That's what her mom noticed the second she saw her. Think back to Episode 1, during the makeover scene, when I told Taylor, "You look dark, you look dangerous, you look like trouble!" She was really upset about me saying that, because she doesn't want people to label her and ***ume that she's this troubled soul. At this point, Taylor has a whole new attitude.[/QUOTE]
[quote=V1man;64943]For those who are just writing about what you saw on TV, you really need to read what Arian has to say. It is perhaps the most dramatic condemnation of a TV production I've heard about and I've been hearing about things like this for years. This is her myspace blog. If only 50% of what she says is true, then the producers were truly sick ********... as so is Steve for going along with it.[/quote] I feel as though people who have been on reality TV should make a special or a PSA about how ratings and such affect how a person is portrayed and even made into a one dimensional "character"...as human beings we are NOT ONE DIMENSIONAL...when watching the show of course i did not like what i saw but it isn't my place to place judgment or assumption especially if I did not share the same experience and I having my own faults...Now that I've got some closure on what happened, it definitely sucks what the producers were doing and Steve as well...If this show's purpose is to demean people and take things drastically out of context, then there should be no Tough Love 2 [[not that I'm saying there will be because I don't know]] Its sad what's happened to Arian and her mom...They wouldn't feel this way if people didn't base assumptions off of a 15 minute show because a full day in reality is not 15 minutes! When anyone who's been put in the spotlights talks about the price of fame, i often feel sorry for them, especially with reality television cast members. I honestly hope that there aren't many producers screwing people over on these shows...It's just inhumane! No more rants, I'm done..
I'm kind of sick (not swine flu haha) so I kept falling asleep on the show but I saw the last part. I'm kind of sad Jody and her fella didn't work out and Jaclyn is an idiot for ditching Brok for her boyfriend, even with all the editing magic they probably did it still seemed fairly obvious that he just wasn't that into her (Steve should've just given away copies of that book since that seemed to what half of his show was about anyways). I think it would be hilarious if they had a reunion and Arian was the only one that came back married to that bartender guy. Either way, it looks like Steve was like 0 for 8 (okay I'll give him 1 for Jody), not exactly a ringing endorsement.

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