[quote=Heelin';59566]Actually, CT and Adam have had their differences before the challenges. IIRC, during RW Paris, CT and Adam got into a shoving match. Well, it was more of CT doing the shoving, but you get the point. If I'm remembering it correctly, CT also seemed pretty irrational during that confrontation as well.[/quote]
I was speaking more about how Adam's cup pouring in this challenge stemmed from the confrontation they had during Gauntlet 3 when CT poured a drink on Adam's head. But yes, their differences stem from a long time ago.
[quote=molds13;59571]I was speaking more about how Adam's cup pouring in this challenge stemmed from the confrontation they had during Gauntlet 3 when CT poured a drink on Adam's head. But yes, their differences stem from a long time ago.[/quote]
Oh, okay, I didn't realize that you were solely referencing the cup pouring retaliation in this fight.
[QUOTE=Heelin';59566]
Who had Katie allied with?[/QUOTE]
Eric, Tori, Diem, Kim, Mark... possibly others. It's a little hard to remember that level of detail after so long
[quote=V1man;59596]Eric, Tori, Diem, Kim, Mark... possibly others. It's a little hard to remember that level of detail after so long[/quote]
Thanks V1. I ask because it almost sounds like Katie valued her friendship with the others over her friendship with Robin. However, without really knowing the extent of their friendship with one another, it's hard to judge.
[quote=Heelin';59604]Thanks V1. I ask because it almost sounds like Katie valued her friendship with the others over her friendship with Robin. However, without really knowing the extent of their friendship with one another, it's hard to judge.[/quote]
Katie has many good friends on these challenges. I just think she went with the more powerful alliance. If your friends with a majority of the cast your bound to screw over 1 of them.
[quote=V1man;59531]
The five year thing was Diem's allusion to the fact she wants to establish an independent career for herself, something she said was not of interest to CT. She made a life choice and moved on. I understand, though, from the edit of the episode and theAaftershow why one could hold the view you stated and I respect it -- before other relevant facts are applied.[/quote]
[quote=V1man;59523]CT's heart didn't seem particularly broken between the date of their breakup and the taping of the island. He was a very active heterosexual male during that period of time. I saw it in person in Jan. '08. [/quote]
This is exactly why Diem's reactions are perplexing. Since she was the one who broke it off because of her 5 year thing, she really should not be that upset that CT and Shauvon hooked up right under her nose as tacky as it. In fact, it should have reaffirmed her decision to choose her career over him.
As disgusting as it sounds, that's what guys do after their hearts' been broken, they sow their oats. Girls eat ice cream and sulk around.
[QUOTE=eggs78;59621]This is exactly why Diem's reactions are perplexing. Since she was the one who broke it off because of her 5 year thing, she really should not be that upset that CT and Shauvon hooked up right under her nose as tacky as it. In fact, it should have reaffirmed her decision to choose her career over him.
As disgusting as it sounds, that's what guys do after their hearts' been broken, they sow their oats. Girls eat ice cream and sulk around.[/QUOTE]
Generalization is so often unwise. Not all guys behave as though driven by their smaller brain. Some of us have evolved beyond such behavior not even seen in primates. Also, in this case, Diem did the opposite of eating ice cream and sulking.
From what I've learned, the perception that Diem broke off their relationship is flawed. My understanding is that CT set boundaries on their relationship which Diem could not accept. He defined their relationship in a way that would diminish her.
As to why she was upset... I don't know how many times I have to say the same thing until some get it: At the beginning of The Duel II Diem had already moved on, She believed, however, that she had an understanding with CT regarding their conduct toward each other during the impending challenge. It could even perhaps be called an alliance, although I've not heard that word from her. It is within that prism that she felt disrespected by his actions. If not for the foolishness of the Aftershow, it would all have simply been a footnote in Wikipedia regarding the first 15 minutes of the first episode.
[quote=flawed;59548]
But since you are the spineless fool who obeyed your ex-boyfriend's insecure wishes that you give up the opportunity of a lifetime and LEAVE RW Sydney 1/2 way thru, then obviously your judgement and character stink. (Given up for a relationship that didn't even last til the Sydney reunion...OOPS!)[/quote]
I thought that was the other one on Sydney.
[quote=tjhallow;59630]Nope that was Shauvon.[/quote]
Thanks for refreshing my memory, I do remember now. Huh, wonder why I had it in my head it was the other chick.
[quote=313Mary;59631]Thanks for refreshing my memory, I do remember now. Huh, wonder why I had it in my head it was the other chick.[/quote]
Well they both left so maybe thats why it was confusing. Either way, didn't like either of them.
[QUOTE]Thanks V1. I ask because it almost sounds like Katie valued her friendship with the others over her friendship with Robin. However, without really knowing the extent of their friendship with one another, it's hard to judge.[/QUOTE]
Katie's a bright lady. If she saw any of Robin's behavior on the Island, she had to know that Robin wasn't the person you wanted to put your trust in on this one. Robin exhibited some extremely concerning and unbalanced behavior on the Island, and if I were her friend, I'd be pretty worried about her--and pretty sure not to depend on her.
[quote=V1man;59626]
As to why she was upset... I don't know how many times I have to say the same thing until some get it: At the beginning of The Duel II Diem had already moved on, She believed, however, that she had an understanding with CT regarding their conduct toward each other during the impending challenge. It could even perhaps be called an alliance, although I've not heard that word from her. It is within that prism that she felt disrespected by his actions. If not for the foolishness of the Aftershow, it would all have simply been a footnote in Wikipedia regarding the first 15 minutes of the first episode.[/quote]
I get it! :D
I just wanted to add my two cents in about this because I don't think some people understand what exactly it means and how it affects people.
People aren't calling Issac blackface, but saying he was in blackface - wearing dark makeup to imitate a black person. It's something that is offensive to some black people (and people of other races who understand and empathize with the plight of black people, not the people wearing blackface).
Blackface is offensive to some people because often when people are in blackface, they are making a mockery of black people by using the worst stereotypes possible. There is a history of black people having a hard time getting acting jobs many decades ago, and they had to often take the parts that depicted them as nothing but idiots and buffoons just to get an acting job. It's a touchy subject because some people still believe those stereotypes as being the overall truth, and it falls into uneducated/unknowledgeable/supreme ideals. I've seen reports and pictures here and there of white guys in frats dressing up as jailbirds and wearing the actual color black body paint and all and acting like fools. It is offensive to a lot of people.
I could tell Issac was being Flava Flav, so it didn't really bother me, though it was a little eye raising when I first saw the picture. I'm sure he meant nothing by it but was just getting into character. Flava Flav behaves quite ridiculously IMO, but it is him being himself and not a representation of black people overall or a general stereotype (though he for some people feeds into the negative view of blacks). I have noticed guys of different races have had the idea to be Flava Flav for Halloween or whatever, but they are clearly trying to be a certain person (Flav) instead of portraying what they think most black people are like.
[quote=RW561015;59671]I just wanted to add my two cents in about this because I don't think some people understand what exactly it means and how it affects people.
People aren't calling Issac blackface, but saying he was in blackface - wearing dark makeup to imitate a black person. It's something that is offensive to some black people (and people of other races who understand and empathize with the plight of black people, not the people wearing blackface).
Blackface is offensive to some people because often when people are in blackface, they are making a mockery of black people by using the worst stereotypes possible. There is a history of black people having a hard time getting acting jobs many decades ago, and they had to often take the parts that depicted them as nothing but idiots and buffoons just to get an acting job. It's a touchy subject because some people still believe those stereotypes as being the overall truth, and it falls into uneducated/unknowledgeable/supreme ideals. I've seen reports and pictures here and there of white guys in frats dressing up as jailbirds and wearing the actual color black body paint and all and acting like fools. It is offensive to a lot of people.
I could tell Issac was being Flava Flav, so it didn't really bother me, though it was a little eye raising when I first saw the picture. I'm sure he meant nothing by it but was just getting into character. Flava Flav behaves quite ridiculously IMO, but it is him being himself and not a representation of black people overall or a general stereotype (though he for some people feeds into the negative view of blacks). I have noticed guys of different races have had the idea to be Flava Flav for Halloween or whatever, but they are clearly trying to be a certain person (Flav) instead of portraying what they think most black people are like.[/quote]
Exactly how I feel, nicely said.
RW561015, I agree with you.
I was not offended by him being flavor flav or painting his face, its the term "blackface" I have seen on other forums, and I think I heard it on the soup when they were making fun of him. I am black and its just simply offended me. I love Isaac, and I was not offended by him.
Are the episodes gonna be like Gauntlet 3? Just 2 half hour episodes put together or just 2 duels in the end like the first episode. I definately prefer the 2 duels in the end because it will show tons of more footage which is a plus.
[quote=blanky667;59719]Are the episodes gonna be like Gauntlet 3? Just 2 half hour episodes put together or just 2 duels in the end like the first episode. I definately prefer the 2 duels in the end because it will show tons of more footage which is a plus.[/quote]
I was wondering this too. I think that no matter how they do it we'll still see more footage, because there's only one challenge before both the guys and girls duel.
I know she's not on the show, but Evelyn has written a blog on her myspace page about her thoughts on the first episode of Duel 2, if anyone is interested in checking it out.
I know her myspace is private, so you have to be her friend to read it. I'm not sure what the rules are if I would post her blog on here.
[quote=Buck05;59770]I know she's not on the show, but Evelyn has written a blog on her myspace page about her thoughts on the first episode of Duel 2, if anyone is interested in checking it out.
I know her myspace is private, so you have to be her friend to read it. I'm not sure what the rules are if I would post her blog on here.[/quote]
I would love to read it but I'm not her friend.
[QUOTE=Buck05;59770]I know she's not on the show, but Evelyn has written a blog on her myspace page about her thoughts on the first episode of Duel 2, if anyone is interested in checking it out.
I know her myspace is private, so you have to be her friend to read it. I'm not sure what the rules are if I would post her blog on here.[/QUOTE]
Evelyn is a member here, so only she can post her thoughts here.
[url=http://www.myspace.com/evsmyspace]MySpace.com - Evelyn - 22 - Female - San Diego, California - www.myspace.com/evsmyspace[/url]
Request her friendship and she'll likely accept. She's very friendly.
[quote=blanky667;59821]It wasn't private when I clicked on it.[/quote]
Maybe she switched it back to not being private. I'm not sure. Since I'm her friend her page shows up for me, so I don't know if she turned off the privacy or not. It was private when I added her.
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