Real World Brooklyn: Ep. 8 - Discussion

Sorry about the OT. I think Baya and her friend who visited should have been shown this week. They had an issue with Ryan. I think they could have worked it in somehow, to give Baya more screen time. It was entertaining as well.

Sorry about the off topic. [quote=ssseeeaaann;50444] I think that the division of the male/female cliques has made most of the cast unwilling, whether consciously or not, to see things from the other side's perspective in terms of their interactions w/ each other. It's easier to have the point of contention when they have a clique backing them up and seeing eye to eye with them, makes it easier for them to think they're right and the opposite gender is wrong. That's the way I see their interactions. I really like this cast overall, except JD who I'm generally indifferent toward, but I wish the dynamics of interaction were different.[/quote] Wow. Well said, I really do get that impression from what I have seen on TV and what some cast members have revealed so far here. It is always easier to side with those who agree with you then oppose, it puts one mind to think that they are usually correct.

Episode 8 in summation really disappointed me, I just wonder why the story editors think some viewers want to see a skewed views of people. I just want to see everyone living their [B]lives[/B]. It irked me that this whole episode was revolved around cleanliness / division of sexes and or hidden tension. I really hope next episode is not like that at all or any episode in the future for that matter.

Why not stop at the gas station on the way home from your destination? Even if it is far out, driving back to the house on empty seems like an illogical way of dealing with the gas tank. It's an inconvenience for everyone, sure, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have to do it if you were the last person in the car. This goes for all the roomates. Also, if Katelyn told Scott that she would clean her mug after she was done playing cards, why didn't she? Instead we saw all the girls heading out to the car laughing about how annoyed the guys will be with the mugs still there. In that sense, it seems as though they brought it on themselves. I don't think the guys are the evil ones here. Both "cliques" have attributed to the void to the house by taking advantage of their gang mentalities.

[quote=EastNY;50454]Episode 8 in summation really disappointed me, I just wonder why the story editors think some viewers want to see a skewed views of people. I just want to see everyone living their [B]lives[/B]. It irked me that this whole episode was revolved around cleanliness / division of sexes and or hidden tension. I really hope next episode is not like that at all or any episode in the future for that matter.[/quote] I think the Producers/Editors etc. are having a hard time getting past the Vegas mentality of high drama = higher ratings. It's sad because this season did not start out that way. It would be interesting to see what the ratings were at the beginning of the season vs what they are now.

[quote=luckystar112;50455]Why not stop at the gas station on the way home from your destination? Even if it is far out, driving back to the house on empty seems like an illogical way of dealing with the gas tank. It's an inconvenience for everyone, sure, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have to do it if you were the last person in the car. This goes for all the roomates. Also, if Katelyn told Scott that she would clean her mug after she was done playing cards, why didn't she? Instead we saw all the girls heading out to the car laughing about how annoyed the guys will be with the mugs still there. In that sense, it seems as though they brought it on themselves. I don't think the guys are the evil ones here. Both "cliques" have attributed to the void to the house by taking advantage of their gang mentalities.[/quote] I definitly agree with your opinions.

This may be the first episode that I wasn't in tune to like I normally am. I had it on in the background and was distracted with other things going on with me. I was just bored with the majority of it, and the endless "Ryan Show." I found it inappropriate that he and Chet giggled like ********* at the guy carving a turkey. Grow up. I did, however, stop what I was doing when JD broke the table and ripped the phone out of the wall. It made me nervous---and I wasn't in the house with them!

[QUOTE=rwny4ever;50456]I think the Producers/Editors etc. are having a hard time getting past the Vegas mentality of high drama = higher ratings. It's sad because this season did not start out that way. It would be interesting to see what the ratings were at the beginning of the season vs what they are now.[/QUOTE] There is a ratings thread which answers your question.

I can't speak for any of the cast members, but I am a naturally messy person at home and my husband is obsessively clean. Sometimes when he constantly asks me do to something, it drives me so nuts I just can't do it. So IF that is what Kate was doing, I can totally understand that.

[QUOTE=needsalife;50472]I can't speak for any of the cast members, but I am a naturally messy person at home and my husband is obsessively clean. Sometimes when he constantly asks me do to something, it drives me so nuts I just can't do it. So IF that is what Kate was doing, I can totally understand that.[/QUOTE] I am right there with you on that, but that is how I am with my husband...not someone I am in a social experiment with. I think Katelynn just had issues with what she felt was being told what to do and him not being satisfied with her doing it on her own time...I can understand both sides of the argument which is why this episode annoyed me so much...it was stupid.

[quote=Stacee_Danielle;50474]I am right there with you on that, but that is how I am with my husband...not someone I am in a social experiment with. I think Katelynn just had issues with what she felt was being told what to do and him not being satisfied with her doing it on her own time...I can understand both sides of the argument which is why this episode annoyed me so much...it was stupid.[/quote] OH. MY. GOD. My married friends have numerous fights about how messy she is and how clean he is and it drives me and my friends NUTS. It's like a vicious circle of yelling into a soundproof room. At the same time, it seems to me that when you marry someone, you expect them to do certain things. You've spent enough time with them to know their bests and their worsts. When you throw 8 roommates together that know nothing about each other, the only way to learn is through experience, and the fights are probably bound to be more heated than a married couple (especially since women can always...withhold things from men :wink:)

[quote=molds13;50475]When you throw 8 roommates together that know nothing about each other, the only way to learn is through experience, and the fights are probably bound to be more heated than a married couple ([B]especially since women can always...withhold things from men[/B] :wink:)[/quote] I like your way of thinking!!!

[quote=Bacchus;50382]Listen. I've made my peace with her, that is all. I am not taking sides or getting into one corner or another. As for Paula. What is there to say that hasn't been said? :D[/quote] [B]#[/B] [B]#[/B] Not to be a stickler, especially because my episode made it seem I was straight from the Bronx, but you speak / make your [B]peace[/B]. You [B]#[/B] pull / flash your [I]piece[/I], but usually only during a robbery :-P I see how it is, up and editing your post and mine. One of the perks of being UID 0 I guess :-P [quote=RW561015;50411]Also, did JD apologize for that violent outbreak? I may have missed something near the end.[/quote] JD has yet to apologize for anything. At all. [B][I]Ever[/I][/B]. He "has no regrets" and I personally don't think he will see how his actions effected others for a long time, if ever. [quote=luckystar112;50455]Why not stop at the gas station on the way home from your destination? Even if it is far out, driving back to the house on empty seems like an illogical way of dealing with the gas tank. It's an inconvenience for everyone, sure, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't have to do it if you were the last person in the car. This goes for all the roomates. Also, if Katelyn told Scott that she would clean her mug after she was done playing cards, why didn't she? Instead we saw all the girls heading out to the car laughing about how annoyed the guys will be with the mugs still there. In that sense, it seems as though they brought it on themselves. I don't think the guys are the evil ones here. Both "cliques" have attributed to the void to the house by taking advantage of their gang mentalities.[/quote] Because we had a 2:30am curfew luckystar. It was hard enough to pull some housemates off the dance floor in time to make it home for that, let alone finding a BP that was 24 hours, filling up, and making it through NY traffic in time for curfew. And I would have cleaned up after myself, had Scott shown some respect. I am not the type of individual that puts up with having my hand forced. If I am not allowed to do things, especially things I was planning on doing anyway, by my own schedule it stresses me out to the point of losing all justification for doing it in the first place. I told Scott I would handle it several times. He felt he could badger me into doing things his way, on his time, by his schedule; that's not just presumptuous, it's rude. Ever hear the phrase "And I shall suffer no fools gladly"? I [B]live[/B] by it. My ignoring his request, knowing it would upset him, was to prove the point that you cannot just snap your fingers and expect me to respond. Admittedly, it backfired, and had I known about the boy's stupidity with the keys I would have handled it.

I'm disapointed about the bad rap Sara seems to be getting. Katelyn did you see the afterworld where the boys discussed this episode?

[quote=k8mnstr;50480]Because we had a 2:30am curfew luckystar. It was hard enough to pull some housemates off the dance floor in time to make it home for that, let alone finding a BP that was 24 hours, filling up, and making it through NY traffic in time for curfew.[/quote] Wait, you had curfew? Seriously? That explains why Chet was getting so worried that Ryan wasn't coming home. But what were the repercussions, if any, for coming home late? Did any of the guys get in trouble when they all left to pick Ryan up at 3:15am or whenever it was?

[QUOTE=molds13;50485]Wait, you had curfew? Seriously? That explains why Chet was getting so worried that Ryan wasn't coming home. But what were the repercussions, if any, for coming home late? Did any of the guys get in trouble when they all left to pick Ryan up at 3:15am or whenever it was?[/QUOTE] You get fined. The same way if you purposefully ditch the camera crew, you get fined. It's the only way that the production crew can hurt you. You're not allowed to work, at least not a full time job, and your stipend from BMP (at least for me) wasn't even enough to make ends meet. Receiving a $50 fine could honestly mean the difference between "I can pay rent" or "I can eat". (as an FYI, my money issues come into play around episode 10) I honestly don't recall if the boys got in "trouble" for going to look for Ryan. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't though because, from the girl's perspective, the boys were the house "favorite". The boys could ride the subway together, but the girls couldn't. The boys could drive off into the sunset without having a production crew following them but the girls couldn't. No, I'm not bitter >.>

[QUOTE=k8mnstr;50486]You get fined. The same way if you purposefully ditch the camera crew, you get fined. It's the only way that the production crew can hurt you. You're not allowed to work, at least not a full time job, and your stipend from BMP (at least for me) wasn't even enough to make ends meet. Receiving a $50 fine could honestly mean the difference between "I can pay rent" or "I can eat". (as an FYI, my money issues come into play around episode 10) I honestly don't recall if the boys got in "trouble" for going to look for Ryan. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't though because, from the girl's perspective, the boys were the house "favorite". The boys could ride the subway together, but the girls couldn't. The boys could drive off into the sunset without having a production crew following them but the girls couldn't. No, I'm not bitter >.>[/QUOTE] Personally, I can't wait for similar candor during the reunion show where BMP is not in control.

[QUOTE=k8mnstr;50480] Because we had a 2:30am curfew luckystar. It was hard enough to pull some housemates off the dance floor in time to make it home for that, let alone finding a BP that was 24 hours, filling up, and making it through NY traffic in time for curfew. And I would have cleaned up after myself, had Scott shown some respect. I am not the type of individual that puts up with having my hand forced. [/QUOTE] I swear I'm not trying to argue, and what's done is done ANYWAY so there is no going back, but was there any agreed upon policy in the house for getting gas? For example, filling up before you leave? Or leaving a place early enough to get gas and make it home in time for curfew? I'm just having flashbacks to when I took my mother's car out and brought it home without gas. "I'd miss curfew!" was not an excuse, nor was "all the gas stations are closed". Believe me, I tried and it didn't fly. :nerves: Again, it's clear from the episode that EVERYONE had a problem remembering to get gas. I just find it such an easy problem to fix. As for your last line, I have a feeling that's why you were picked to be in the house. lol Coliesmom mentioned something about every real world season showing an argument about the dirty house--it's inevitable, but it ALWAYS escalates because someone is being rude when asking someone to pick up, or the other person not picking up because they don't feel they should be "told" to. Or at least that's how they edit it.

[quote=k8mnstr;50486]I honestly don't recall if the boys got in "trouble" for going to look for Ryan. It wouldn't surprise me if they didn't though because, from the girl's perspective, the boys were the house "favorite". The boys could ride the subway together, but the girls couldn't. [B]The boys could drive off into the sunset without having a production crew following them[/B] but the girls couldn't.[/quote] Ahhhhh, how romantic... Yeah, I wouldn't be bitter either if I were you. :sarcastic:

[QUOTE=luckystar112;50490]I swear I'm not trying to argue, and what's done is done ANYWAY so there is no going back, but was there any agreed upon policy in the house for getting gas? For example, filling up before you leave? Or leaving a place early enough to get gas and make it home in time for curfew? I'm just having flashbacks to when I took my mother's car out and brought it home without gas. "I'd miss curfew!" was not an excuse, nor was "all the gas stations are closed". Believe me, I tried and it didn't fly. :nerves: Again, it's clear from the episode that EVERYONE had a problem remembering to get gas. I just find it such an easy problem to fix. As for your last line, I have a feeling that's why you were picked to be in the house. lol Coliesmom mentioned something about every real world season showing an argument about the dirty house--it's inevitable, but it ALWAYS escalates because someone is being rude when asking someone to pick up, or the other person not picking up because they don't feel they should be "told" to. Or at least that's how they edit it.[/QUOTE] [B]Short answer:[/B] No, there wasn't any set "house policy" for getting gas. [B]Long answer:[/B] There wasn't a house policy for getting gas because it would mean that the boys would have to follow said agreed upon policy. Not having an agreement gave the boys plausible deniability and ammo to continue using against the girls. I promise you we did try to set house rules, but someone would slip, people would put their guard up, and bedlam ensued. Whenever there is finger pointing involved it will always degrade into black suits vs. brown suits (ex. you're an American? Are you patriotic enough? Oh sure you clean, but are you [I]clean enough?[/I]). We tried it with dishes, we tried it with gas. What do you do when diplomacy fails? How would [I]you[/I] react with someone who was unwilling to negotiate or concede that their methods may be flawed or unreasonable? And look at the example you gave: you and your [I]mother[/I]. Scott is not my parent, and mutual respect is a two-way street.

OK, I just watched a daily that looked to be an extended clip of JD talking to that friend on the phone that he did on Ep. 8 (it's the phone he yanked from Devyn), and he called Devyn the stereotypical urban black girl that goes crazy. Maybe I am missing something; I don't know. I don't see that at all and it makes me sad that he as a minority member that shares a couple of similar negative stereotypes as black people thinks that about her. Can't a black girl have a disagreement with someone without being lumped in as stereotypical? Also, he kept throwing in that she was 20 and has big *****. What does her being 20 have to do with her having big *****? Plenty of girls are done growing before that age. And so what if she is meeting guys? What does that have to do with any of his problems with Devyn? And I'm seeing the preview for the next episode - looks ridiculous. Chet should have come in when Ryan was asking Katelynn all of those questions. Or maybe Ryan could have told him what he learned from Katelynn.

[quote=luckystar112;50490]I swear I'm not trying to argue, and what's done is done ANYWAY so there is no going back, but was there any agreed upon policy in the house for getting gas? For example, filling up before you leave? Or leaving a place early enough to get gas and make it home in time for curfew? I'm just having flashbacks to when I took my mother's car out and brought it home without gas. "I'd miss curfew!" was not an excuse, nor was "all the gas stations are closed". Believe me, I tried and it didn't fly. :nerves: Again, it's clear from the episode that EVERYONE had a problem remembering to get gas. I just find it such an easy problem to fix.[/quote] The way I look at it (and this is just my personal opinion as someone who owns and drives a car in a big city a lot), not wanting to miss curfew is not an excuse for not getting gas. It's not like you can't look at your gas tank and see that your tank is low. If I were living with a group of people, sharing a car, I probably (and I say this having never shared a car with anyone) wouldn't let the tank get below a quarter tank before refilling it to at least a half. If you have 5 minutes, at least fill it up to a respectable level where someone can get to a gas station and fill it up all the way or at least say "Hey, I didn't have a chance to put gas in the car" so the next person can plan accordingly to get to the gas station and to where they need to be on time. Then again, this is probably easier said than done. I still find it hard to believe that it's hard to remember to get gas. If it were your own car, you would not let yourself run out of gas. End rant.

[quote=k8mnstr;50492]We tried it with dishes, we tried it with gas. [B] What do you do when diplomacy fails? How would [I]you[/I] react with someone who was unwilling to negotiate or concede that their methods may be flawed or unreasonable?[/B][/quote] Beat em up :) When put that way, that definitely explains where a lot of the drama comes from. It seems like no one is willing to listen to others' points of view (e.g. JD with everyone).

[QUOTE=molds13;50495]The way I look at it (and this is just my personal opinion as someone who owns and drives a car in a big city a lot), not wanting to miss curfew is not an excuse for not getting gas. It's not like you can't look at your gas tank and see that your tank is low. If I were living with a group of people, sharing a car, I probably (and I say this having never shared a car with anyone) wouldn't let the tank get below a quarter tank before refilling it to at least a half. If you have 5 minutes, at least fill it up to a respectable level where someone can get to a gas station and fill it up all the way or at least say "Hey, I didn't have a chance to put gas in the car" so the next person can plan accordingly to get to the gas station and to where they need to be on time. Then again, this is probably easier said than done. I still find it hard to believe that it's hard to remember to get gas. If it were your own car, you would not let yourself run out of gas. End rant.[/QUOTE] If it were my car I could go to any gas station I **** well please. And yes, while ideally you wouldn't let the car get below a quarter tank we all did not have equal access to the vehicles. There was always a car taken out routinely for whoever decided they needed to drive to work for the day, or whoever had some stray errand. Most of the time we wouldn't get the cars back at home until 9pm. We also had to wait on the BP cards from production, which took anywhere from a week to two to procure - if you're already struggling to pay bills are you really going to drop $50 of your own money to fill that gas tank? Gas which there is no guarantee you will get to use? Why do you think the girls were homebodies? We were broke and couldn't always afford to throw in for gas. I'm not just trying to make excuses, there honestly were exigent circumstances regarding the cars. Things that you may not think about looking from the outside in.

[quote=k8mnstr;50497]If it were my car I could go to any gas station I **** well please. And yes, while ideally you wouldn't let the car get below a quarter tank we all did not have equal access to the vehicles. There was always a car taken out routinely for whoever decided they needed to drive to work for the day, or whoever had some stray errand. Most of the time we wouldn't get the cars back at home until 9pm. We also had to wait on the BP cards from production, which took anywhere from a week to two to procure - if you're already struggling to pay bills are you really going to drop $50 of your own money to fill that gas tank? Gas which there is no guarantee you will get to use? Why do you think the girls were homebodies? We were broke and couldn't always afford to throw in for gas. I'm not just trying to make excuses, there honestly were exigent circumstances regarding the cars. Things that you may not think about looking from the outside in.[/quote] That makes sense. And, that was actually going be one of my next questions for you...if you had to pay for gas with your own money, would you be reimbursed, or was it a "oh, sorry about that"? And when something (ahem a table) was broken in the house, were you (ahem JD) responsible for replacing it?

[QUOTE=molds13;50498]That makes sense. And, that was actually going be one of my next questions for you...if you had to pay for gas with your own money, would you be reimbursed, or was it a "oh, sorry about that"? And when something (ahem a table) was broken in the house, were you (ahem JD) responsible for replacing it?[/QUOTE] I think I answered it in an earlier thread but yes, JD did have to pay to replace that table. All $300 of it. We actually got into a spat later on (I'm not sure if it'll make it to air) but when JD starting flipping out (per usual) I quickly reached up and snatched the centerpiece. Everyone died laughing, it actually worked to diffuse the argument a bit, heh. I wish that more of my humor would be shown.

[QUOTE=molds13;50495]The way I look at it (and this is just my personal opinion as someone who owns and drives a car in a big city a lot), not wanting to miss curfew is not an excuse for not getting gas. It's not like you can't look at your gas tank and see that your tank is low. If I were living with a group of people, sharing a car, I probably (and I say this having never shared a car with anyone) wouldn't let the tank get below a quarter tank before refilling it to at least a half. If you have 5 minutes, at least fill it up to a respectable level where someone can get to a gas station and fill it up all the way or at least say "Hey, I didn't have a chance to put gas in the car" so the next person can plan accordingly to get to the gas station and to where they need to be on time. Then again, this is probably easier said than done. I still find it hard to believe that it's hard to remember to get gas. If it were your own car, you would not let yourself run out of gas. End rant.[/QUOTE] That's exactly my point. Had there been no curfew and they were on their way somewhere else, I'm sure they would have made time to get gas. :pardon: Additionally, I imagine that if there was no gas in the car when all the girls went to bring Sarah to work they would have been pretty peeved. It's a matter of common courtesy that goes beyond the "parent/child" relationship.

[quote=k8mnstr;50499]I think I answered it in an earlier thread but yes, JD did have to pay to replace that table. All $300 of it. We actually got into a spat later on (I'm not sure if it'll make it to air) but when JD starting flipping out (per usual) I quickly reached up and snatched the centerpiece. Everyone died laughing, it actually worked to diffuse the argument a bit, heh. I wish that more of my humor would be shown.[/quote] Yeah, but the thing I like about you is that you don't need to be shown for 15 minutes in order to be funny and get your point across. Your one-liners (master-baiters) are much better than Chet and Ryan going on about "just the tip" for 5 minutes.

[QUOTE=k8mnstr;50499]I think I answered it in an earlier thread but yes, JD did have to pay to replace that table. All $300 of it. We actually got into a spat later on (I'm not sure if it'll make it to air) but when JD starting flipping out (per usual) I quickly reached up and snatched the centerpiece. Everyone died laughing, it actually worked to diffuse the argument a bit, heh. I wish that more of my humor would be shown.[/QUOTE] Okay, THAT'S funny. I hope they show it!!!!

[quote=k8mnstr;50499]I think I answered it in an earlier thread but yes, JD did have to pay to replace that table. All $300 of it. [B]We actually got into a spat later on (I'm not sure if it'll make it to air) but when JD starting flipping out (per usual) I quickly reached up and snatched the centerpiece[/B]. Everyone died laughing, it actually worked to diffuse the argument a bit, heh. I wish that more of my humor would be shown.[/quote] That's going to be hilarious. And at least let it be brought up at the reunion show.