Real World Brooklyn: Ep. 7 Discussion

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[quote=jem3772;49485] Well first, I didnt mean to sound like I was directing my comments towards anyone,sorry if it sounded like I did.Second, I know what Ryan said about the prank being not worthy... but to me it seems as though he is going out of his way not to have to speak about the war, and what frighntens him whether it be at night or in life. I dont know him so I cant really speak for him, but even from the beginning he has said he doesnt want to be judged on being an army guy. I dont know what it is about him, he makes e feel motherly I guess?[/quote] No problem. :) I just thought I might as well respond to your comments since I did talk about the prank thing. I wasn't for sure if it was directed to me or not, but I wouldn't have minded either way. There is nothing wrong with you feeling protective of Ryan. I think a lot of people watching the shows have a cast member or two that they really connect with or like or that gets to them emotionally, whether that cast member comes off as nice and kind or even troubled or mean. People have different layers and personality traits and sometimes one or two aspects of them really strikes a cord with us. I think there is a RWer for everyone. I don't think Ryan is a bad person, just immature and mean at times and not the most sensitive. But I appreciate him for serving in the Army and he can be funny sometimes.
[quote=V1man;49335]It's not often that I say "I wish I'd written that." Great analysis; thanks for sharing it.[/quote] Ditto... Just watched..Thought it was very funny. Kate great one liners! Gee Devyn ..do ya think your relationship situation got a bad edit???? lol Devyn's Mom great catch with the prank. Where would our girls be without us. Lets chat!
I am getting so sick of almost every guy in the house at this point because they are such huge hypocrites. Chet is the biggest one of all. He blames Sarah for p***ing judgments too quickly, but then proceeds to bash all of the girls in his confessionals, and rudel intervenes in Devyn's situation, which did not include him at all. Scott and Ryan are being a bit bothersome as well, but only for the fact that they seem to also enjoy doing all these harsh pranks, but then are angered at anything the girls do. J.D. I can no longer respect. He is just an ***, and I have tried to give him the chance, but he shows every week that he is rude and inconsiderate.
My heart went out to JD at the end. It showed that he really does want to be friends with everyone in the house, he just screws up a lot. I respect Chet for being friends with JD despite their fight, but some of the girls haven't done the same. I realize that the problems they have with him are more personal, but everyone makes mistakes. And JD didn't technically 'out' Katelynn, Ryan knew from day one, all JD really did is confirm where she got it done. Maybe I just like rooting for the underdog, but he really does seem like a nice guy who makes bad choices.
I think there is some goodness to JD as well, but I think he needs to be more sensitive to people's feelings and then he would be able to see how the things he says and does affects people. Apologizing would help some as well. Playing a prank on someone when you are mad at them, especially when you know they are afraid of mice/rats, is not the most helpful thing. Denying that you say or did anything is not the most helpful thing.
I get a sense that JD's one of those people who wants to have friends and be on the inside and if he's not goes to instigating (and things like that) because getting negative attention's better than no attention at all.
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Realitywedding you brought up a great point. JD really is an EVIL person. He wants everyone to like him, but if they don't he starts talking about them. He is a decitful, and a horrible person. Viewing him on TV, Dailies, and interviews, he's not really nice. I have never dislike a castmember more than him.
It was my initial decision that I would not give any detailed commentary about the topics featured in ep 7; primarily those pertaining to my relationship with David. I am appreciative of those on Vevmo that have been supportive and have taken a genuine interest in the lives of the cast. I remember what it was like when I used to read the Vevmo threads and how many questions I wanted answered about the lives of the hollywood cast just so that I could better learn from their experience. It is for those reasons (and a few others) that I'd like to give you a brief history on my past relationship. This will hopefully lay some of your questions to rest. David and I met my second week of college. We started casually dating which ended abruptly due to dishonesty on his part. We were fortunate enough to become very close friends (that harbored feelings for one another) and eventually after months of playing cat and mouse we decided to be exclusive. David is a 27 year old club promoter. When I met him he was just starting out..I started helping manage his company just to help him succeed. We became very close. We lived together, we worked together, we got a dog together.. his friends were in shock because they never thought they'd see the day that Mr.playboy settled down. There was only one problem.. He hadn't. Unfortunately David wasn't as ready to be in a relationship as he thought. He exemplified that by being dishonest, engaging in inappropriate behavior with other women, sending vulgar messages to women. Eventually our relationship turned toxic and became emotionally and physically detrimental to me..to the point that one night in self-defense I pulled out my stun gun and told him if he ever came near me or laid a hand on me again he'd lose his eye sight. (That was actually mentioned on my very first rw audition tape). It was a very sad time for both of us. I was not only heart broken but I felt trapped and began to question my adequacy. I was ashamed that I allowed myself to get into that situation in the first place. Where I come from it is implied only the weak wind up in those relationships (I have since learned otherwise). David and I were known in Tampa for being the best duo or team amongst our peers. The reality is that we became enemies. We loved each other but he took me for granted and I felt trapped because we lived together, the house was in my name, I was employed through him, and I didn't want to lose my dog or anything else we had built together. Once I came to the conclusion that I couldn't cry anymore I realized even more that I had to pray..and prayer said walk away. David and I broke up officially in March 2008 (just before semi finals for RW). By april 2008 David had completely done a 180. He stopped relying on me to be financially responsible, he stopped making sexual advances to other girls, he started being respectful to my mother, and he started treating himself and others as they should be treated. In turn he saw a change in his environment, his company started doing well, people started respecting him, and he felt better. Unfortunately for me it was too late. I loved David very much. I still do. At that point he was a major part of my life, but by the time I finally walked away..it was done. I found out I was leaving for rw in may and started dating for fun before I left (David and I were together almost 2 yrs and had been the only guy I ever dated in tampa). This is when I met Jim. I do care for Jim and we are very good friends. From the beginning we chose not to be mutually exclusive for a variety of reasons. (The voice you hear in my phone call saying "I want to be your boyfriend" is not the voice of Jim... it was the result of very crafty editing). David found out I was dating in Tampa and wasn't happy about it...but he made it his mission to win me back. Suddenly David became the man I always knew he could be. He was compassionate, responsible (in ep 7 there is a reference I make about him paying with his debit card. That's because for 2 years he used my debit card and would not get a bank account), he was loyal.. the only problem was that it was too late.. or so I thought at the time. My feelings were very mixed.. on one hand I still loved him because he was someone that I had been so close too.. someone that was once a close friend and more... on the other hand I resented him... I despised him for breaking my heart, for trying to break my spirit, for disrespecting me in front of so many, and for lying to me the whole time. David "pre-proposed" (he called it that.. he said it was a "promise to marry me ring".. not the real engagement ring because he knew it was important to wait until we were both financially successful.. thats why we joked about the size of the ring..) just weeks before I was to leave for New York. My answer to him was "yes and no"... I told him that I do still love him but that I was still not ready to be in a relationship with him and that it would take time for me to let go of all of the issues of the past (the emotional, verbal, and physical abuse) I told David to keep the ring and that we would discuss it when filming was over. David insisted that I keep the ring as a reminder that someone cared about me back in Florida.. so I kept it and wore it on my Right hand (thanks V1Man for noticing that). As far as my situation in the house goes... everyone knew about David from the first day.. Chet actually asked me about the ring within the first 5 minutes of meeting me. The night we were all in the hot tub and I was wearing the blue bikini.. that was when I told everyone about David.. but I was selective with whom I shared the gritty details of our past with because it was and is a subject close to my heart and I am not a big supporter of sharing all of my business (ironic huh). So Scott and the others new about David.. before I even knew about Marissa (scott's girl) they just didn't know the details because they never asked. Also David came to visit me within the first few weeks of filming... in the story line it looks like he just pops out of nowhere halfway through. That couldn't be further from the truth. David came to NY in September (we started filming in mid August). That should give you a better idea of how drawn out and embellished that whole crush thing with Scott was. Jim did know that David had come to visit. The one thing I am sorry for is how I disregarded David's feelings during that time.. both on air and off. I do love and value David. At that particular time I was still trying to sort and deal with emotions and situations that had yet to be fully addressed by either of us. David is a great person and we are all learning some things. Jim is a great person and a great friend as well. That is why I am blessed to have them both in my life. I've written quite a few songs both during the show and after that really reflects all of the feelings present during that experience... I even wrote and performed a song on the show but I don't think that made it to air... soon you will be able to hear some of my music and maybe my lyrics will help you understand... Here is an excerpt from the song I used to listen to everyday during my struggles with David.. Sia- Little Black Sandals He says girl it's your call You wanna fly You wanna fall So I shout I wanna get away from you as fast as I can I tell my feet to move it I hope they have a plan These little black sandals are walking me away These little black sandals are heading the right way These little black sandals are walking me away These little black sandals saved my life today So now I'm free Free from the big bad giant who was stalking me Thank you feet for guiding me I'm glad somehow I've got brains down there at least Sometimes I'm tempted Sometimes I am I would be lying if I said I didn't miss that giant man Oh He was a line between pleasure and pain But me and the feet have some years to reclaim These little black sandals are walking me away These little black sandals are heading the right way These little black sandals are walking me away These little black sandals saved my life today Ok hopefully that helped answer some questions.....I think that episode shed some light on how important it is not to be so judgemental until you are in the situation yourself or until you have heard the facts... even I struggle with that from time to time. Fortunately I have been working through my relationship issues from the past and can say that I am enjoying a new and brighter outlook. God's Not Done With Me Yet... ;-) Devyn Simone [url=http://www.DevynSimone.com]DevynSimone.com | The Official Website of Devyn Simone[/url]
Yeah, people should definetely wait and try to get the WHOLE story before rushing out and saying negative things about your love life or your character because of it.
[QUOTE=trees12;49704]Yeah, people should definetely wait and try to get the WHOLE story before rushing out and saying negative things about your love life or your character because of it.[/QUOTE] Thanks Trees!! :-x and as for Julius...well I guess some people just aren't happy either way... not enough info.. too much info... oh well (and yes that is the brief version compared to the 2 yr long story) If you want to know the story then it's there for anyone who'd like to read it... Devyn Simone [url=http://www.DevynSimone.com]DevynSimone.com | The Official Website of Devyn Simone[/url]
Wow. Thanks for sharing that, there certainly is A LOT we don't get to see.
Thank you, Devyn. The devil is always in the details. You obviously are being polite in saying production was being "very crafty" with their use of the"I want to be your boyfriend" when it wasn't Jim. I'll say what no cast member under contract can say without fear... production created a knowingly false impression of you through a lie.
Thank you for taking the time to give us a back story Devyn! It is much appreciated and I do like getting to know the people behind the edit.
Ah man, if i ever met JD i would say so much stuff to him. If i was in the house i would too, like look at Scott's home video he talks about how he hate fake people, seriously, Scott is nothing to what he seems like in his home video. I would have alot to say to JD.
Thanks again Devyn, you certainly didn't have to explain yourself but it's really cool that you took the time to. Interesting tidbit about the timeline and phone call editing.
[quote=livexfast;49561]My heart went out to JD at the end. It showed that he really does want to be friends with everyone in the house, he just screws up a lot. I respect Chet for being friends with JD despite their fight, but some of the girls haven't done the same. I realize that the problems they have with him are more personal, but everyone makes mistakes. And JD didn't technically 'out' Katelynn, Ryan knew from day one, all JD really did is confirm where she got it done. Maybe I just like rooting for the underdog, but he really does seem like a nice guy who makes bad choices.[/quote] I agree - I don't think he's all that bad - he hasn't done anything that the rest of us hasn't done at some point or another. I think he just wants to fit in and makes bad choices in the process. Been there and done that so I can't judge him.
[quote=V1man;49712]production created a knowingly false impression of you through a lie.[/quote] When I'm watching the show I don't look for the technicalities of how the show is produced - but with this season it is obvious that a lot of the clips are edited and spliced together - isn't that a big no-no? Surely the viewer is not supposed to pick up on this.
[QUOTE=rwny4ever;49788]When I'm watching the show I don't look for the technicalities of how the show is produced - but with this season it is obvious that a lot of the clips are edited and spliced together - isn't that a big no-no? Surely the viewer is not supposed to pick up on this.[/QUOTE] Is it a "big no-no" that things are edited and spliced together? Who is to say? Many cynical TV execs and even some fans say it's a necessary evil in producing "good" TV. Purists who came to the reality genre from the documentary world say most reality shows now are simply unscripted fiction. I'm happy that you and other viewers continue to become more aware. Producers of reality shows don't want you to recognize their editing and other production techniques that they feel are essential to maintaining their audience. To what extent is The Real World falling into the abyss of lies, deceit and fabrication? I wish I knew, and there are far too many days when I wish I didn't care.
[quote=DSsquared;49699] Ok hopefully that helped answer some questions.....I think that episode shed some light on how important it is not to be so judgemental until you are in the situation yourself or until you have heard the facts... even I struggle with that from time to time. Fortunately I have been working through my relationship issues from the past and can say that I am enjoying a new and brighter outlook. God's Not Done With Me Yet... ;-) Devyn Simone [URL="http://www.DevynSimone.com"]DevynSimone.com | The Official Website of Devyn Simone[/URL][/quote] Devyn thank you so much for taking the time to give us the back story here:) It is always nice to have ALL the pieces of the puzzle before we start examining how it goes together. It seems to me you have a great head on your shoulders, and you are a strong independent woman. I wish there were more women like you with complete faith in themselves. I look forward to hearing your music in the days to come! Keep us posted on how it all works out:)
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[quote=DSsquared;49699] Ok hopefully that helped answer some questions.....I think that episode shed some light on how important it is not to be so judgemental until you are in the situation yourself or until you have heard the facts... even I struggle with that from time to time. Fortunately I have been working through my relationship issues from the past and can say that I am enjoying a new and brighter outlook. God's Not Done With Me Yet... ;-) [/quote] [COLOR=magenta][B]Devyn[/B][/COLOR], Thank you so much for your great response. You certainly didn't owe us any explanation but it sure does shed A LOT of light on the situation. You seem to have gone through a lot with this man at only the age of 19/20...Managing him, owning a house, paying bills, that's a lot of responsibility especially when you were in school as well. I think considering your backstory, you acted completely appropriate with David. I'm sure at that time you were still trying to protect your heart! Thanks again so much for sharing with us here at Vevmo. You are an awesome woman!
[quote=V1man;49792]Is it a "big no-no" that things are edited and spliced together? Who is to say? Many cynical TV execs and even some fans say it's a necessary evil in producing "good" TV. Purists who came to the reality genre from the documentary world say most reality shows now are simply unscripted fiction. I'm happy that you and other viewers continue to become more aware. Producers of reality shows don't want you to recognize their editing and other production techniques that they feel are essential to maintaining their audience. To what extent is The Real World falling into the abyss of lies, deceit and fabrication? I wish I knew, and there are far too many days when I wish I didn't care.[/quote] In all honesty, does anyone think I could have watched my daughters season without being aware of the editing and splicing. It was mind blowing how much of it there was.
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[QUOTE=ColiesMom;49808]In all honesty, does anyone think I could have watched my daughters season without being aware of the editing and splicing. It was mind blowing how much of it there was.[/QUOTE] Once a person picks up on the tricks of editing, there is no going back. Its like taking the red pill in the matrix, or losing your virginity, all you thought was real isn't.
[quote=ColiesMom;49808]In all honesty, does anyone think I could have watched my daughters season without being aware of the editing and splicing. It was mind blowing how much of it there was.[/quote] I thought Colie received a bad edit on The Island as well - I remember watching it being like "she's always been chill she is not like that at all" Colie rules so I hope she keeps doing the challenges - hopefully she'll be on the winning team one of these days! Ugh I personally could not do a Challenge format - I'm a sore loser lol
[QUOTE=rwny4ever;49830]I thought Colie received a bad edit on The Island as well - I remember watching it being like "she's always been chill she is not like that at all" Colie rules so I hope she keeps doing the challenges - hopefully she'll be on the winning team one of these days! Ugh I personally could not do a Challenge format - [B]I'm a sore loser lol[/QUOTE][/B] Then you would be perfect casting!
[quote=rwny4ever;49830]I thought Colie received a bad edit on The Island as well - I remember watching it being like "she's always been chill she is not like that at all" Colie rules so I hope she keeps doing the challenges - hopefully she'll be on the winning team one of these days! Ugh I personally could not do a Challenge format - I'm a sore loser lol[/quote] I don't think Colie gave them enough footage to edit. I agree she rules.
[quote=ColiesMom]I don't think Colie gave them enough footage to edit. I agree she rules.[/quote] I thinks that's exactly what happened. It looked like since the cast didn't really know the rules in advance, Colie decided to just lie low and try to get a key when the opportunity presented itself. I think that's why she got the edit about just lying in the sun getting a tan. You sound cooler than my mom would've been. She would've been too embarrassed to leave the house if I s**t in a manilla envelope and threw it out the window.
[quote=V1man;49846]Then you would be perfect casting![/quote] lmao you aint right!
[quote=Shawn;49901]I thinks that's exactly what happened. It looked like since the cast didn't really know the rules in advance, Colie decided to just lie low and try to get a key when the opportunity presented itself. I think that's why she got the edit about just lying in the sun getting a tan. You sound cooler than my mom would've been. She would've been too embarrassed to leave the house if I s**t in a manilla envelope and threw it out the window.[/quote] I truly feel EMBARRASSED for your mom. To think that her son/daughter does not believe that the power of a loving relationship trumps a "reality moment". Shame on you for your shallowness. I am just a tad upset that you were not outside the car window. Considering the topic of this particular post was about editing and the RW, I find it frustrating and dumbfounding that you took what you saw at face value.
You totally misunderstood... True, I don't know the whole story behind that. However, I was actually criticizing MY mother. If she saw me do that on TV, she wouldn't have even let me explain what happened! She would've just started acting like a martyr and saying over and over, "I taught my kids better than that!" Please don't think I was criticizing you or your daughter.
[quote=Shawn;49994]You totally misunderstood... True, I don't know the whole story behind that. However, I was actually criticizing MY mother. If she saw me do that on TV, she wouldn't have even let me explain what happened! She would've just started acting like a martyr and saying over and over, "I taught my kids better than that!" Please don't think I was criticizing you or your daughter.[/quote] Shawn you're just generally punished!!! Don't ever, ever, ever again underestimate your Mother!.....LOL

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