I can finally read this thread now that I'm caught up. All of these traitors are stupid except for Carolyn. Stop cannibalizing each other! Why wouldn't Danielle go for Boston Rob who already has suspicion on him. Why throw out someone random like Carolyn that NO ONE is even thinkig about. I wish Carolyn would speak up more though.
Is it just the edit or does it feel like the faithfuls getting accused at the round table don't defend themselves hard enough?
There's no incentive to keep Traitors tbh when you just get to recruit a new one. Get rid of one, look a little innocent and recruit someone you wanna work with. Plus it creates chaos and takes the target off you cause the others are worried about who was recruited and is now acting different.
Theres a book thats highly recommended about following your instinct and how its saved people from tragedy that Ive been meaning to read. But I wonder if that only applies to fear in situations and not our instincts about people?
There's no incentive to keep Traitors tbh when you just get to recruit a new one. Get rid of one, look a little innocent and recruit someone you wanna work with. Plus it creates chaos and takes the target off you cause the others are worried about who was recruited and is now acting different.
That's true, but that only works if it doesn't make you look guilty in the process. Rob and Danielle being so sure who the traitors are makes them look the opposite innocent.
Theres a book thats highly recommended about following your instinct and how its saved people from tragedy that Ive been meaning to read. But I wonder if that only applies to fear in situations and not our instincts about people?
That's the problem, anecdotal stories where people say they were saved because they followed their instincts is usually more than that. In most situations it was probably your awareness of your surroundings, noticing patterns, etc. People have been wrong more times than they've been right (statistically you'll be right sometimes, still doesn't mean your gut gave you the answer) but the book is only going to be written about the stories when people were right, lol.
Theres a book thats highly recommended about following your instinct and how its saved people from tragedy that Ive been meaning to read. But I wonder if that only applies to fear in situations and not our instincts about people?
I'd love to know how this is framed in the book. I am sure there were people who were saved by their instinct, but I'm also sure there are as many (and probably more) people who were convinced something was off and left a situation or even called police when there was actually nothing wrong. Like @UKLover 1 wrote.
Look at all of the Karens who call police because their [racist] instincts tell them something must be wrong.
Look at all of the Karens who call police because their [racist] instincts tell them something must be wrong.
This is what I meant. People's gut instincts are often riddled with bias. It's why serial killers that look like non-suspecting white people get away with it for so long, and the neighbors are all like "I had no idea". But I guess it's better to be wrong than take the chance of something bad happening. I don't mean this in terms of profiling people, but like leaving a situation you feel sketchy about.
Danielle had the right idea but wrong person. She should have gone after Boston rob and use the new traitor if they say yes to recruitment to get rid of Carolyn. I get she might be scared the two survivors are working against her but come on. All these big brother people are flops on the show tbh
A major problem with the show is 1) if you know who a Traitor is and you say it, it just makes you a target & they can recruit. So there is no incentive to kill Traitors. Plus some know Traitors but protect their friends . 2) Traitors can recruit so there is no reason to protect each other. Then they just kill and recruit new ones which is dumb.
Here is my format change suggestion and it's pretty good! The Traitors and Faithfuls have their own prize pot. For the Faithfuls, each time they banish their own money goes to The Traitors prize pot. The earlier the banish of a Traitor happens the more money they get from the Traitors pot in their prize pot. The Traitors can choose to recruit after one of their own is banished but they have to pay for it from their prize pot. Each new recruitment gets way more expensive. The challenges are no longer for the group pot, that's so pointless. The challenges are for advantages or individual money. Advantages like safety from banishment, shield from murder, a Traitors clue, silence someone ar the round table, etc.
I feel like at one point the traitors are going to recruit Efron (if he isn't murdered soon). Do you guys think he'll accept or deny it like Pete. I actually think he would accept, which will be a great move for him.
I feel like at one point the traitors are going to recruit Efron (if he isn't murdered soon). Do you guys think he'll accept or deny it like Pete. I actually think he would accept, which will be a great move for him.
How did Danielle look so obvious during the challenge, yet not a single person called her out at the roundtable—while Nikki gets labeled guilty just for blinking the wrong way lol
He's a Rob minion and he gave Carolyn the info about Danielle targeting him. Why would they kill the person feeding them info?
Same reasons as every other murder, to cause chaos lol. Realistically they'll probably just get someone random like gabby or Bob who nobody is going to banish anytime soon.
How did Danielle look so obvious during the challenge, yet not a single person called her out at the roundtable—while Nikki gets labeled guilty just for blinking the wrong way lol
As Wes told Dylan a couple of episodes ago, you only go after someone when you can hit. Nikki was basically a guaranteed banishment. Danielle may not be at this point. My guess is some people know Danielle is a traitor, but they want to keep her around because she isn't after them. As has been pointed out, there is no real reason to go after a known traitor because someone new just gets recruited. The only reason to go after a known traitor is to save yourself from banishment (Nikki is the one who should have called out Danielle) or if you feel strongly that traitor is going to murder you.
BTW Nikki said in the postmortem thing that she essentially didn't fight harder because she was mostly just trying not to cry since her girls had turned on her and no one was defending her except Dylan.
Dylan is definitely in a great position in the game right now. I think the only way he can actually win is to become a traitor at some point because there is no way the traitors will let him make it to the end as a faithful.
Both are of course stunned that Carolyn is a traitor and also seem to think Danielle could do well (at least more so than Rob). Of course, Robyn didn't see Danielle in that last daily challenge lmao.
It is funny to hear Nikki keep saying she knew Danielle - when the only reason she "knew" is that Jeremy told her lol.
Nikki did make a good point in noting that the Faithfuls actually haven't gotten a traitor out yet. Bob is the only traitor who is gone, and it was basically traitor Rob who took him out (Dylan was onto Bob, but Dylan wasn't able to get Bob out).
Back to the intuition thing (and the postmortem video), it's also hilarious how they will be wrong about 8 people but think being right about 1 person means something lol. Nikki is all "I knew Danielle!" but she also thought Wes and Ayan were traitors. Robyn is all "I was onto Rob!" but then says she thought Nikki and Jeremy were traitors. I mean, even a stopped clock is right twice a day lmao! Being right about 1 thing and wrong about 11 doesn't mean you have good intutition, but people will cling to that one thing.
I listened to Robyn's RHAP interview, she is very likable. She also did a good job explaining herself and didn't sound as clueless as the show said. She also didn't make tons of excuses. It made me wish she lasted longer.
I can finally read this thread now that I'm caught up. All of these traitors are stupid except for Carolyn. Stop cannibalizing each other! Why wouldn't Danielle go for Boston Rob who already has suspicion on him. Why throw out someone random like Carolyn that NO ONE is even thinkig about. I wish Carolyn would speak up more though.
Is it just the edit or does it feel like the faithfuls getting accused at the round table don't defend themselves hard enough?
Exactly. Robin would have taken out all the faithfuls for them, lol.
There's no incentive to keep Traitors tbh when you just get to recruit a new one. Get rid of one, look a little innocent and recruit someone you wanna work with. Plus it creates chaos and takes the target off you cause the others are worried about who was recruited and is now acting different.
There are so many studies that people's "gut feelings" are usually wrong. But so many people swear by it. It's honestly interesting.
Theres a book thats highly recommended about following your instinct and how its saved people from tragedy that Ive been meaning to read. But I wonder if that only applies to fear in situations and not our instincts about people?
That's true, but that only works if it doesn't make you look guilty in the process. Rob and Danielle being so sure who the traitors are makes them look the opposite innocent.
Agreed. You gotta plant seeds but not go soooo hard. Find the right person to do your biding and moderatly back them up.
That's the problem, anecdotal stories where people say they were saved because they followed their instincts is usually more than that. In most situations it was probably your awareness of your surroundings, noticing patterns, etc. People have been wrong more times than they've been right (statistically you'll be right sometimes, still doesn't mean your gut gave you the answer) but the book is only going to be written about the stories when people were right, lol.
I'd love to know how this is framed in the book. I am sure there were people who were saved by their instinct, but I'm also sure there are as many (and probably more) people who were convinced something was off and left a situation or even called police when there was actually nothing wrong. Like @UKLover 1 wrote.
Look at all of the Karens who call police because their [racist] instincts tell them something must be wrong.
This is what I meant. People's gut instincts are often riddled with bias. It's why serial killers that look like non-suspecting white people get away with it for so long, and the neighbors are all like "I had no idea". But I guess it's better to be wrong than take the chance of something bad happening. I don't mean this in terms of profiling people, but like leaving a situation you feel sketchy about.
Danielle had the right idea but wrong person. She should have gone after Boston rob and use the new traitor if they say yes to recruitment to get rid of Carolyn. I get she might be scared the two survivors are working against her but come on. All these big brother people are flops on the show tbh
A major problem with the show is 1) if you know who a Traitor is and you say it, it just makes you a target & they can recruit. So there is no incentive to kill Traitors. Plus some know Traitors but protect their friends . 2) Traitors can recruit so there is no reason to protect each other. Then they just kill and recruit new ones which is dumb.
Here is my format change suggestion and it's pretty good! The Traitors and Faithfuls have their own prize pot. For the Faithfuls, each time they banish their own money goes to The Traitors prize pot. The earlier the banish of a Traitor happens the more money they get from the Traitors pot in their prize pot. The Traitors can choose to recruit after one of their own is banished but they have to pay for it from their prize pot. Each new recruitment gets way more expensive. The challenges are no longer for the group pot, that's so pointless. The challenges are for advantages or individual money. Advantages like safety from banishment, shield from murder, a Traitors clue, silence someone ar the round table, etc.
Thoughts?
Oo I love it! So if the traitors recruit, would the faithfuls have knowledge of it? (Ie would the bank account amounts be openly known to both?)
I feel like at one point the traitors are going to recruit Efron (if he isn't murdered soon). Do you guys think he'll accept or deny it like Pete. I actually think he would accept, which will be a great move for him.
I think they murder him next tbh.
I think it depends on what plays out...Rob is gonna want him in his pocket as long as possible
How did Danielle look so obvious during the challenge, yet not a single person called her out at the roundtable—while Nikki gets labeled guilty just for blinking the wrong way lol
Hmm...what do you think?
He's a Rob minion and he gave Carolyn the info about Danielle targeting him. Why would they kill the person feeding them info?
I am thinking it should be unknown. Not knowing how much the traitors have in their bank could cause more chaos
Same reasons as every other murder, to cause chaos lol. Realistically they'll probably just get someone random like gabby or Bob who nobody is going to banish anytime soon.
Sam may have bought himself another week with the comment he made but I want him gone immediately
As Wes told Dylan a couple of episodes ago, you only go after someone when you can hit. Nikki was basically a guaranteed banishment. Danielle may not be at this point. My guess is some people know Danielle is a traitor, but they want to keep her around because she isn't after them. As has been pointed out, there is no real reason to go after a known traitor because someone new just gets recruited. The only reason to go after a known traitor is to save yourself from banishment (Nikki is the one who should have called out Danielle) or if you feel strongly that traitor is going to murder you.
BTW Nikki said in the postmortem thing that she essentially didn't fight harder because she was mostly just trying not to cry since her girls had turned on her and no one was defending her except Dylan.
Dylan is definitely in a great position in the game right now. I think the only way he can actually win is to become a traitor at some point because there is no way the traitors will let him make it to the end as a faithful.
Aw feel even more bad for Nikki. She should have cried Gabby and the other girl would have felt like such total shit
The latest postmortem thing is out:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1diOqOeAimY
Both are of course stunned that Carolyn is a traitor and also seem to think Danielle could do well (at least more so than Rob). Of course, Robyn didn't see Danielle in that last daily challenge lmao.
It is funny to hear Nikki keep saying she knew Danielle - when the only reason she "knew" is that Jeremy told her lol.
Nikki did make a good point in noting that the Faithfuls actually haven't gotten a traitor out yet. Bob is the only traitor who is gone, and it was basically traitor Rob who took him out (Dylan was onto Bob, but Dylan wasn't able to get Bob out).
Back to the intuition thing (and the postmortem video), it's also hilarious how they will be wrong about 8 people but think being right about 1 person means something lol. Nikki is all "I knew Danielle!" but she also thought Wes and Ayan were traitors. Robyn is all "I was onto Rob!" but then says she thought Nikki and Jeremy were traitors. I mean, even a stopped clock is right twice a day lmao! Being right about 1 thing and wrong about 11 doesn't mean you have good intutition, but people will cling to that one thing.
I listened to Robyn's RHAP interview, she is very likable. She also did a good job explaining herself and didn't sound as clueless as the show said. She also didn't make tons of excuses. It made me wish she lasted longer.
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